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How about making the Griffon able to use updrafts?

Eclipsiste.3251Eclipsiste.3251 Member ✭✭
edited January 10, 2021 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I love my Griffon but like most players I find the Skyscale more useful 99.99% of the time.
It's a shame to see such a glorious mount grounded because of a too stiff competition!
So while playing in Bloodstone Fen I thought why not make the Griffon able to use updrafts? Give it more places and ways to be able to start from up high!
I don't think it would outshine the Skyscale that way, but people might find it useful again, and I certainly would love to be able to hear its cooing while soaring through the sky!
I know I'm probably not the first to have this idea, but what do you think of it?

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  • Tyncale.1629Tyncale.1629 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021

    I like the idea and I am too tired to think of ways how this would break the game\the fun of others\Anets budget, so I will leave that to others. Thumbs up from me.

  • I believe using updrafts would fit the griffon perfectly. The griffon requires a high starting point in order to properly shine. Updrafts would make it easier to get to a high starting point and to use the griffon's abilities.

    It wouldn't make any other mounts obsolete since the skyscale would still be the only mount that is able to rise into the air on its own. It would just be a quality of life change, so we no longer have to dismount, use the updraft with a glider and then remount the griffon.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I guess it really depends if it matters that it would probably make gliding obsolete. To be honest, I'm not sure I care enough one way or the other on that at this point, but it might be a reason not to do it

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  • Sigmoid.7082Sigmoid.7082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eclipsiste.3251 said:
    I know I'm probably not the first to have this idea, but what do you think of it?

    No you aren't: List of related topics

    but what do you think of it?

    No thanks.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Remember if they do this, they will probably have to spend time and resources to put updrafts in all the maps.

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  • Eclipsiste.3251Eclipsiste.3251 Member ✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    I guess it really depends if it matters that it would probably make gliding obsolete. To be honest, I'm not sure I care enough one way or the other on that at this point, but it might be a reason not to do it

    I don't think so... Being able to go underwater with the Skimmer didn't make swimming obsolete, and most people already seem to prefer using the Skyscale instead of gliding. This would make for and alternate option: you can glide, you can mount... And maybe motivate new players to use the Griffon. Since the Skyscale release most people just say Grifffon is useless and new players see no use to invest in it...

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    Remember if they do this, they will probably have to spend time and resources to put updrafts in all the maps.

    No so sure about that. Since season 4 they've been creating masteries that are only usable on a handful of maps, sometimes a single one, without bothering about the fact it's useless in 90% of the playing area. They could make the Griffon able to use updrafts by default, not a new mastery... That way it's a plus where there are updrafts, and just no change where there aren't...

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I prefer updraft usage requiring gliders and not other mounts.

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  • Fuchslein.8639Fuchslein.8639 Member ✭✭✭

    @Eclipsiste.3251 said:
    I love my Griffon but like most players I find the Skyscale more useful 99.99% of the time.
    It's a shame to see such a glorious mount grounded because of a too stiff competition!
    So while playing in Bloodstone Fen I thought why not make the Griffon able to use updrafts? Give it more places and ways to be able to start from up high!
    I don't think it would outshine the Skyscale that way, but people might find it useful again, and I certainly would love to be able to hear its cooing while soaring through the sky!
    I know I'm probably not the first to have this idea, but what do you think of it?

    I would love that

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021

    Sounds good, but there are also some potential problems with that:
    1. gliding loses its last(?) purpose
    2. while using the griffon in a place with a lot of updrafts it would be pretty easy to lose the speed by "clipping" an updraft (for example VB nighttime), which isn't such a huge deal considering you'll be higher so you can dive again, but it will definitely cut on some fun factor due to breaking the rhytm/momentum

    To sum up: I don't know :D

  • I wouldn't mind. Don't see how it takes away from other things. You can't always glide in some spots anyway and you can't always use mounts to reach other spots. Does this suggestion server a purpose? I'd assume yes. Is it justified? Most certainly, as skyscales become the #1 mount for most players by the end. So why not?

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2021

    You can already do it by mastering the Crystal Champion and Griffon masteries. Use the bond of faith to launch from your mount and glide and then use the Griffon ability to mount up while gliding. I don't think this is something you can do with a Skyscale. So the only thing we need now are the updrafts, we definitely need a lot more of them in every game content.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    updraft is the only single thing gliders have that mounts don't have, taking that away completely removes the use of gliders.
    i rather want gliders to have some kind of update, like a speed boost on 100% mastery so it's as fast as a griffon.

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  • They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

  • @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Griffons are faster than gliders and can cross entire maps for one end to the opposite if you get up high enough and use dive properly, they don't need updrafts. Skyscales definitely don't need updrafts, they can fly vertically, kinda like a helicopter.

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  • Tekoneiric.6817Tekoneiric.6817 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think griffon use of updrafts should follow certain rules. The level in altitude change should be proportional to how fast the griffon is moving. A slow moving griffon should get a glider like lift. A fast moving griffon should only get a slight bump in altitude unless the player pulls up into the updraft then it accelerates the griffon up the column.

  • flog.3485flog.3485 Member ✭✭✭

    That will never happen. Otherwise it would completely defeat the purpose of season 4 mastery.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Somewhere in one of the previous threads on this topic it was explained that griffons (and now, by extension skyscales) are too heavy to benefit from updrafts. Thus, the glider.

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  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2021

    Gliding will never be obsolete. You can glide in combat, but you can't mount in combat.

    Could you imagine Dragonfall meta if you could only use mounts, and never glide? It'd be absolutely terrible.

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  • No I like updrafts being a glider-specific skill. It helps keep the glider a relevant game mechanic. Updrafts and being able to glide while in combat are the only reasons gliding hasn't been sent to the gates of oblivion.

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2021

    I feel like Griffon is very lacking compared to Skyscale, but I'm not sure this is the fix to try to bridge the gap.

    I feel like if the groundspeed was increased some, and that the initial take off was 3 flaps (another 33% higher), that it would see a lot more use. It needs something to help get it in the air a little more. The horizontal ability is fine and a good focus for it, but it needs to do a little more for you if you are on flatter or sloped terrain.

    If the skyscale's great ability is to hover and go vertical, Griffon should be able to do a lot more horizontally, even when launching from flat ground.

  • @Opopanax.1803 said:
    I feel like Griffon is very lacking compared to Skyscale, but I'm not sure this is the fix to try to bridge the gap.

    I feel like if the groundspeed was increased some, and that the initial take off was 3 flaps (another 33% higher), that it would see a lot more use. It needs something to help get it in the air a little more. The horizontal ability is fine and a good focus for it, but it needs to do a little more for you if you are on flatter or sloped terrain.

    *If the skyscale's great ability is to hover and go vertical, Griffon should be able to do a lot more horizontally, even when launching from flat ground. *

    Something like this wouldn't be a bad idea.

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  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭

    As someone who loves Griffon I think this is a great Idea. I don't think it would brake the game in anyway.
    Griffon can already maintain altitude if you pull up and dive often, a few updrafts wouldn't make a difference but It'd be a great QOL for the mount.

  • Blude.6812Blude.6812 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sigmoid.7082 said:

    @Eclipsiste.3251 said:
    I know I'm probably not the first to have this idea, but what do you think of it?

    No you aren't: List of related topics

    but what do you think of it?

    No thanks.

    Best reply that I echo.^^^^ It's a been there, done that and not implemented suggestion in other threads as mentioned (and will not be).

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Absolutely not needed. The Skyscale serves the role of getting upwards.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Still all for it, i've suggested this idea a few times in the past myself.
    Would be nice to have some new mastery abilities that combine HoT and PoF masteries together and require points from both expansions to unlock, would give us something to spend all those useless extra points on :)

    Griffons using updrafts is one of those cases with X Mastery and Y Mastery just fit together really well.
    Skyscale regaining flight time when inside an updraft would also fit well as would mounts regaining stamina when running over one of those recharging mushrooms.

  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eclipsiste.3251 said:
    I love my Griffon but like most players I find the Skyscale more useful 99.99% of the time.
    It's a shame to see such a glorious mount grounded because of a too stiff competition!
    So while playing in Bloodstone Fen I thought why not make the Griffon able to use updrafts? Give it more places and ways to be able to start from up high!
    I don't think it would outshine the Skyscale that way, but people might find it useful again, and I certainly would love to be able to hear its cooing while soaring through the sky!
    I know I'm probably not the first to have this idea, but what do you think of it?

    I think that is a great idea, if we can use updrafts while gliding i don't understand why the griffon can't. It is part bird after all.

  • Fuchslein.8639Fuchslein.8639 Member ✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Somewhere in one of the previous threads on this topic it was explained that griffons (and now, by extension skyscales) are too heavy to benefit from updrafts. Thus, the glider.

    So then how can giant norn and charr use updrafts? Some of the norn and charr I see in the OP are sometimes larger and probably much heavier than griffins.

  • Shadowmoon.7986Shadowmoon.7986 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have 82 unused HoT mastery points, would love to be able to spend some of them on something. Maybe make it cost 20 mastery points and 100 mil HoT xp.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Somewhere in one of the previous threads on this topic it was explained that griffons (and now, by extension skyscales) are too heavy to benefit from updrafts. Thus, the glider.

    So then how can giant norn and charr use updrafts? Some of the norn and charr I see in the OP are sometimes larger and probably much heavier than griffins.

    Charr or Norn could not be larger and/or heavier than griffons, else griffons would never be able to carry them. Additionally, both races are able to use gliders for updrafts, so they can't be heavier than griffons.

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  • Fuchslein.8639Fuchslein.8639 Member ✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Somewhere in one of the previous threads on this topic it was explained that griffons (and now, by extension skyscales) are too heavy to benefit from updrafts. Thus, the glider.

    So then how can giant norn and charr use updrafts? Some of the norn and charr I see in the OP are sometimes larger and probably much heavier than griffins.

    Charr or Norn could not be larger and/or heavier than griffons, else griffons would never be able to carry them. Additionally, both races are able to use gliders for updrafts, so they can't be heavier than griffons.

    So it's just a matter of being able to do it in the game? Not about any logic or anything?
    So if the day would actually come where anet decides, Griffin can use the updrafts(Whether realistic or not, purely hypothetical), you would switch to: Okay, apparently they're not that heavy after all and can use Updrafts /shrug.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Somewhere in one of the previous threads on this topic it was explained that griffons (and now, by extension skyscales) are too heavy to benefit from updrafts. Thus, the glider.

    So then how can giant norn and charr use updrafts? Some of the norn and charr I see in the OP are sometimes larger and probably much heavier than griffins.

    Charr or Norn could not be larger and/or heavier than griffons, else griffons would never be able to carry them. Additionally, both races are able to use gliders for updrafts, so they can't be heavier than griffons.

    So it's just a matter of being able to do it in the game? Not about any logic or anything?
    So if the day would actually come where anet decides, Griffin can use the updrafts(Whether realistic or not, purely hypothetical), you would switch to: Okay, apparently they're not that heavy after all and can use Updrafts /shrug.

    No, my first point was that it was lore related. Unfortunately, I don't have the exact post/quote, just my aged memory from being around these forums for much too long. Could it be done mechanically? Certainly, if Anet decides to allow mounts to use updrafts. I just recall it being said that the reason griffons couldn't use them (this was pre-skyscale when the griffon was still new and people were requesting updraft use for it) because lore-wise, they were too heavy. That was the reason given back then.

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  • Fuchslein.8639Fuchslein.8639 Member ✭✭✭

    K, maybe Norn and Charr have hollow bones according to lore so it makes sense that they can glide so easily and be carried by animals that are partly smaller than them. The lore of Gw2 has never really interested me, so I can say nothing about it.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm sure that if Anet could find a way to profit on making griffons able to use updrafts, they'd be all over it. I would think that enabling this would potentially take away from glider skin sales. /shrug

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  • @kharmin.7683 said:
    I'm sure that if Anet could find a way to profit on making griffons able to use updrafts, they'd be all over it. I would think that enabling this would potentially take away from glider skin sales. /shrug

    Might take away from glider skins, but that might be off-set by an increase in people going for Griffon and those skins too. Plus, with the cost of getting the Griffon and people that don't already have it going for it now, it would suck a little more gold out of the economy.

    For the record, I'd like Griffons to use updraft too. And it wouldn't invalidate gliding for me - there are plenty of places that I glide and don't use my griffon.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nothing is meant to be able to do everything. Thats why we have different mounts, and why they will never get to infringe on the glider. Unlock the Skyscale, that will serve much better.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Fuchslein.8639 said:

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Baddxian.3851 said:
    They can't use updrafts? How does that make any sense at all?!

    I don't have either of the flying mounts yet, so I did not realize this, but it certainly dampens my enthusiasm for working towards the griffin...

    Somewhere in one of the previous threads on this topic it was explained that griffons (and now, by extension skyscales) are too heavy to benefit from updrafts. Thus, the glider.

    So then how can giant norn and charr use updrafts? Some of the norn and charr I see in the OP are sometimes larger and probably much heavier than griffins.

    Charr or Norn could not be larger and/or heavier than griffons, else griffons would never be able to carry them. Additionally, both races are able to use gliders for updrafts, so they can't be heavier than griffons.

    So it's just a matter of being able to do it in the game? Not about any logic or anything?
    So if the day would actually come where anet decides, Griffin can use the updrafts(Whether realistic or not, purely hypothetical), you would switch to: Okay, apparently they're not that heavy after all and can use Updrafts /shrug.

    You do know that the giffons you want use updrafts have their mass and the heavy norn/charr to deal with hence they cant use updrafts.

    A griffon on its own should be able to no problemo.

  • Griffon is for me still the prevered mount over the Skyscale.
    Considering it's the only true flying mount (when properly used) it is VASTLY superior over the Skyscale and gliding for long distance horizontal traveling in the air.
    However they can work together beautifully.
    Same with updrafts we have in some maps, works great together with skyscale or griffon.
    Once you master the abbility to mount mid-air, it all makes sense.

    Skyscale helps you to get up high, but has a worse glide-ratio than gliders.
    Once you wonder too far from where you start, it really starts to decent fast.
    That is where gliding brings you further, and the Griffon comes to life.
    The Griffon is capable of true flight, something neither gliding or the skyscale has.

    I do not see a need for changes myself. Not as long as a Griffon can gain altitude on its own. (when fully mastered and properly used)

    Part of me likes the idea, but as one that finds the Griffon already one of the best mounts out there, I do not see a need for it.