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Chris.2183Chris.2183 Member
edited January 15, 2021 in Thief

First off, i get that the average bob highly dislikes to be outplayed and iced by a thief (when i say thief, im talking power and melee), i also get that average bob makes up the majority of the player base and we need to keep em happy with flashy lights and big bangs followed by the success experience of a kill, while having to put in mininal brain power, so they keep playing.

So i get why thief keeps getting nerfed and nerfed and is now limited to 2 braindead meta builds which could be played by a bot.

But i cant be the only one that loves to play fragile AF tricky builds which can be super effectiv but one small misstep and u are toast, thats my whole incentive to play, right on the edge always having one foot in the crave.

Been playing since gw1 and going to uninstall gw2 now,
its just super no fun, the last nail in the coffin are the 8 ini for Inf Shot, so u as a thief have 1 single 900 range port, which nowadays pretty much every single class has and more and after u use it u are pretty much out, because your total ini is to low to get in the fight and do anything and even have a chance of getting back out, being hammered by random target seeking aoe condi stuff, that just dont give a kitten about stealth.

To me its kind of a bad joke but have fun ppls,
over n out,
see u in gw 3...

P.S. Zeus, u can keep the 150g, dont give a kitten ;)

Comments

  • @Chris.2183 said:

    see u in gw 3...

    Gw3 gud joke 😅
    After the gw2 pvp fiasco I would not trust into a gw3 pvp until the whole team would change

    But with teef ur right.
    I would say the high end pvp cried for nerfs in the shadowmeetings with cmc for the causuals teef was never a issue, however the never ending nerf drama on teef just shows the unwilling from dev team to think about balance solutions instead of nerfshow

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What build are you playing then?

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:
    What build are you playing then?

    I'm guessing the one where you do not log in.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:
    What build are you playing then?

    I'm guessing the one where you do not log in.

    Super stealth build, but not really tricky af.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2021

    @Chris.2183 said:
    First off, i get that the average bob highly dislikes to be outplayed and iced by a thief (when i say thief, im talking power and melee), i also get that average bob makes up the majority of the player base and we need to keep em happy with flashy lights and big bangs followed by the success experience of a kill, while having to put in mininal brain power, so they keep playing.

    So i get why thief keeps getting nerfed and nerfed and is now limited to 2 braindead meta builds which could be played by a bot.

    But i cant be the only one that loves to play fragile AF tricky builds which can be super effectiv but one small misstep and u are toast, thats my whole incentive to play, right on the edge always having one foot in the crave.

    Been playing since gw1 and going to uninstall gw2 now,
    its just super no fun, the last nail in the coffin are the 8 ini for Inf Shot, so u as a thief have 1 single 900 range port, which nowadays pretty much every single class has and more and after u use it u are pretty much out, because your total ini is to low to get in the fight and do anything and even have a chance of getting back out, being hammered by random target seeking aoe condi stuff, that just dont give a kitten about stealth.

    To me its kind of a bad joke but have fun ppls,
    over n out,
    see u in gw 3...

    P.S. Zeus, u can keep the 150g, dont give a kitten ;)

    No ur not the only one who liked to play fragile slippery type classes where one major misstep and ur dead but u chose the wrong game with the wrong playerbase to do so. The gw2 pvp community are a different type of animal than other mmos. If thief out plays their opponent and makes no mistakes and clearly should win the engagement most gw2 players will still cry OP cuz the design of the rogue class and the methods involved with ur win. It doesnt matter u perfectly timed ur evades or ur ports, the problem is u have access to such skills and they'll totally disregard how squishy u are. They cant grasp the idea that someone used active defenses and beat them on a squishy character as it hurts their pride, its cuz stealth is OP right?
    They delude themselves into the oh if their mobile they cant deal damage bs when the mobility is there to make up for low hp and the need to use well tuned active defenses and further high burst is needed to make up for the archetypes design to not sopose to be in a fight long hence the low hp and high mobility, what's the use of a class meant to burst and run if its burst equates to little more than a annoyance. Anet listens to the community which ruined the class.

  • LionZero.3479LionZero.3479 Member ✭✭✭

    Timing and position play is defenitly an aspect that seems to be on the backbone of this game.

    Game is build for numbers and not for consistency anyway with client sided position forwarding and evade to server, alas no fully server sided pvp like gw1 had.
    In spvp there is maybe less desync but in WvWvW you get desync pulled or other random out of sync kitten quite often.

    So yea for a playstyle like that the game sadly was never good to start with.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Chris.2183 said:
    First off, i get that the average bob highly dislikes to be outplayed and iced by a thief (when i say thief, im talking power and melee), i also get that average bob makes up the majority of the player base and we need to keep em happy with flashy lights and big bangs followed by the success experience of a kill, while having to put in mininal brain power, so they keep playing.

    So i get why thief keeps getting nerfed and nerfed and is now limited to 2 braindead meta builds which could be played by a bot.

    But i cant be the only one that loves to play fragile AF tricky builds which can be super effectiv but one small misstep and u are toast, thats my whole incentive to play, right on the edge always having one foot in the crave.

    Then why the kitten are you playing Thief then, this doesn't make sense. Thief is literally the opposite of what you want to play, cc and conditions no longer bother it and I'm pretty sure there isn't a single build that can burst it down before it can escape.
    Now if you really wana live on the edge and every mistake cost you dearly you gota play Berserker, no escapes do or die. But then again thief main I don't have much expectations there.

  • Thief did good damage while also being able to reset fights if they made a misstep. Anet overnerfed them. The should of just touched mobility and shadow arts and left the damage alone.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lmao now players are yelling at u when playing thief saying ur bad cuz ur constantly decapping and not full capping all the nodes. Man this games pvp is somthing else now

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    meanwhile I think thief is pretty good. I'm getting solid results

    before the skill coefficient overhaul, bursting wasn't much more dps than just autoattacking. but now, all coefficients got cut, but thief's initiative skills didn't. so relatively they got way stronger. so you can actually burst when you have initiative.

    if you still don't feel like you have enough damage, maybe you aren't building for it. Critical Strikes is big damage if you haven't tried it

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Chris.2183 said:
    First off, i get that the average bob highly dislikes to be outplayed and iced by a thief (when i say thief, im talking power and melee), i also get that average bob makes up the majority of the player base and we need to keep em happy with flashy lights and big bangs followed by the success experience of a kill, while having to put in mininal brain power, so they keep playing.

    So i get why thief keeps getting nerfed and nerfed and is now limited to 2 braindead meta builds which could be played by a bot.

    But i cant be the only one that loves to play fragile AF tricky builds which can be super effectiv but one small misstep and u are toast, thats my whole incentive to play, right on the edge always having one foot in the crave.

    Then why the kitten are you playing Thief then, this doesn't make sense. Thief is literally the opposite of what you want to play, cc and conditions no longer bother it and I'm pretty sure there isn't a single build that can burst it down before it can escape.
    Now if you really wana live on the edge and every mistake cost you dearly you gota play Berserker, no escapes do or die. But then again thief main I don't have much expectations there.

    add in mesmer to the list, no matter what build you chose, its usually balls to the wall, do or die.
    thief is more about strategical thinking, and map awareness, and from this stems most issues with the class and its players.
    GW 2 population is first and foremost REALLY kitten bad at rotating and making sound tactical choices, and most people think skill = ability to fight people only.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reikken.4961 said:
    meanwhile I think thief is pretty good. I'm getting solid results

    before the skill coefficient overhaul, bursting wasn't much more dps than just autoattacking. but now, all coefficients got cut, but thief's initiative skills didn't. so relatively they got way stronger. so you can actually burst when you have initiative.

    if you still don't feel like you have enough damage, maybe you aren't building for it. Critical Strikes is big damage if you haven't tried it

    Yet all ur post history is on warrior, I bet u think it's good lmao

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:
    Yet all ur post history is on warrior, I bet u think it's good lmao

    did you quote the wrong person? the only post (singular) I've made about warrior within the past year was... about a 3 year old warrior build

  • Bear.9568Bear.9568 Member ✭✭✭

    Buff thief, but what am I saying.... We know all the kittens will keep complaining until no one plays pvp and they'll cry to anet that pvp is ded.

  • Styros.8931Styros.8931 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

  • Cynz.9437Cynz.9437 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    Meh~

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Well anet kinda shot them selfs in the foot here by nerfing dmg via da and even go so far as saying lead attacks and upped ini on most of the d/p kit, most have gone shadows rejuvenation from sa. So what did you guys expect to happen?

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Man are u ok? Dp has fallen off hard no matter how much u hate the kit. Use zerk/divinity rune with da/trick/dd built for damage and steal backst6the war or guard npc in the midst for ur 2.8k- 3.4k backstab is u get a good crit or go to the heavy golem and ur most common backstab will be 2k somthing and just over 3k lmao. Ur dag autos do 300- 600 and add time last hit will net 800. I can do so much more burst on my soulbeast,necro, rev, ele and even on my splbr. U can spot how OP dp is but its obvious ur statements are driven for ur dislike of the kit not actually on its performance. Players like u are part of the reason why this games pvp are gbage due to the fact that anet actually listens to players who's qq's are driven by bias not actual useful constructive information.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

  • Cynz.9437Cynz.9437 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    Meh~

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2021

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

    And it's better now? The meta are all brainless spam builds on the few highly effective specs, yay.
    The more anet listens to the vocal qq'rs the more spammy and dumbed down the game gets not to mention the more builds that get deleted decreasing build variety.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

    And it's better now? The meta are all brainless spam builds on the few highly effective specs, yay.

    Exactly because of Arenanets vision for the game with PoF most of the spammy kitten came with it and as reworks after. Arenanets vision is PVE content but not high end but the spam your skills get presents kind. After the BIG patch they at least have direction, before it was one patch they baseline how mechanics work the other for some reason they added the reverse of that on picked professions. Now at least we are getting to a point where there is power management some give and take. All the thief complaints are getting on my nerves really, some classes don't have viable builds and the thieves bich and moan about their mobility build not one shoting people , kindly kitten off.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

    And it's better now? The meta are all brainless spam builds on the few highly effective specs, yay.

    Exactly because of Arenanets vision for the game with PoF most of the spammy kitten came with it and as reworks after. Arenanets vision is PVE content but not high end but the spam your skills get presents kind. After the BIG patch they at least have direction, before it was one patch they baseline how mechanics work the other for some reason they added the reverse of that on picked professions. Now at least we are getting to a point where there is power management some give and take. All the thief complaints are getting on my nerves really, some classes don't have viable builds and the thieves bich and moan about their mobility build not one shoting people , kindly kitten off.

    What classes dont have viable builds?
    Guard- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Necro-meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Rev/ren- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Ele- not meta pick but very high player counts in pvp and wvw- check
    Ranger- not a meta per se but high player presentation in both pvp and wvw-check
    Warrior- healbreaker meta in pvp and bubble in wvw-check
    Engi- meta in both pvp and wvw- check
    Mirage-not meta and only one gimmick build that's usually seen in pvp and wvw and player representation has falling off.
    Thief- not really meta in pvp anymore as its dropped off and not meta in wvw and is used to roam cuz what else u gonna do, also player representation has fallen off.
    It is u that needs to look through ur own bias and kindly kitten off as thief's were long sick and tired of reading ur guys content whines about the class far before u even had a forethought of being sick of listening to thief players qq's.
    Thanks

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2021

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

    And it's better now? The meta are all brainless spam builds on the few highly effective specs, yay.

    Exactly because of Arenanets vision for the game with PoF most of the spammy kitten came with it and as reworks after. Arenanets vision is PVE content but not high end but the spam your skills get presents kind. After the BIG patch they at least have direction, before it was one patch they baseline how mechanics work the other for some reason they added the reverse of that on picked professions. Now at least we are getting to a point where there is power management some give and take. All the thief complaints are getting on my nerves really, some classes don't have viable builds and the thieves bich and moan about their mobility build not one shoting people , kindly kitten off.

    What classes dont have viable builds?
    Guard- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Necro-meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Rev/ren- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Ele- not meta pick but very high player counts in pvp and wvw- check
    Ranger- not a meta per se but high player presentation in both pvp and wvw-check
    Warrior- healbreaker meta in pvp and bubble in wvw-check
    Engi- meta in both pvp and wvw- check
    Mirage-not meta and only one gimmick build that's usually seen in pvp and wvw and player representation has falling off.
    Thief- not really meta in pvp anymore as its dropped off and not meta in wvw and is used to roam cuz what else u gonna do, also player representation has fallen off.
    It is u that needs to look through ur own bias and kindly kitten off as thief's were long sick and tired of reading ur guys content whines about the class far before u even had a forethought of being sick of listening to thief players qq's.
    Thanks

    Here is the victimhood again poor old thief, so poor so staple to pvp even after the sb nerfs. And still latching on the thief part, no grand vision for the whole game just poor old thief. There is still not a single profession that can substitute its slot, cause nothing can match it. And the whole check list proves my point several classes not meta and several barely have one build in there. There needs more work to be done, but they going in the general right direction, cause some stuff started etching in the playable category for example Berserker, it is still bad but it can have some impact these days.
    Cause i like ya i'll give one hint why thief can't have the ye oldy op kitten, they removed the passive proc defenses and surprise attacks became less manageable, some classes had a ball for a while, till they got slapped for not being much interactive and being able to port instantly people back to base.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2021

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

    And it's better now? The meta are all brainless spam builds on the few highly effective specs, yay.

    Exactly because of Arenanets vision for the game with PoF most of the spammy kitten came with it and as reworks after. Arenanets vision is PVE content but not high end but the spam your skills get presents kind. After the BIG patch they at least have direction, before it was one patch they baseline how mechanics work the other for some reason they added the reverse of that on picked professions. Now at least we are getting to a point where there is power management some give and take. All the thief complaints are getting on my nerves really, some classes don't have viable builds and the thieves bich and moan about their mobility build not one shoting people , kindly kitten off.

    What classes dont have viable builds?
    Guard- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Necro-meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Rev/ren- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Ele- not meta pick but very high player counts in pvp and wvw- check
    Ranger- not a meta per se but high player presentation in both pvp and wvw-check
    Warrior- healbreaker meta in pvp and bubble in wvw-check
    Engi- meta in both pvp and wvw- check
    Mirage-not meta and only one gimmick build that's usually seen in pvp and wvw and player representation has falling off.
    Thief- not really meta in pvp anymore as its dropped off and not meta in wvw and is used to roam cuz what else u gonna do, also player representation has fallen off.
    It is u that needs to look through ur own bias and kindly kitten off as thief's were long sick and tired of reading ur guys content whines about the class far before u even had a forethought of being sick of listening to thief players qq's.
    Thanks

    Here is the victimhood again poor old thief, so poor so staple to pvp even after the sb nerfs. And still latching on the thief part, no grand vision for the whole game just poor old thief. There is still not a single profession that can substitute its slot, cause nothing can match it. And the whole check list proves my point several classes not meta and several barely have one build in there. There needs more work to be done, but they going in the general right direction, cause some stuff started etching in the playable category for example Berserker, it is still bad but it can have some impact these days.
    Cause i like ya i'll give one hint why thief can't have the ye oldy op kitten, they removed the passive proc defenses and surprise attacks became less manageable, some classes had a ball for a while, till they got slapped for not being much interactive and being able to port instantly people back to

    Honestly if u dont want to read thieves voice their opinion about thier class as is their right to do so than why are u reading and posting in a thread that's doing just that? By the tittle u shoulda just ignored it if ur tired of hearing thieves voice their opinion. Doesnt get any simpler than that really.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "I am unhappy!" - "I am unhappy because you are unhappy!" - "Well, I am unhappy that you are unhappy that I am unhappy!"

    What the heck. :lol:

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    you lie, backscratch deals 2k REEEE
    shadowshot even less, REEE
    if you think otherwise you are wrong, if you have proof its fabricated REEE

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    you lie, backscratch deals 2k REEEE
    shadowshot even less, REEE
    if you think otherwise you are wrong, if you have proof its fabricated REEE

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    I have tried to be overly sarcastic

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Thief got slapped pretty hard in PvP yea.

    I already said my piece in another thread but I'll repeat it here :
    Cost increase is not balance.
    It's just a lazy change designed to suppress and stifle playstyles.

    Thief gets slapped often by this, and Revenant also gets slapped often by this.
    It's honestly getting really disgusting how this is the only sort of balance cost related skills are getting.

    Like oh boy, just slap 1 or 2 ini cost, or increase cost by 5 energy and call it a day.

    Like if Inf Arrow was really a problem, why not BALANCE IT by reducing the port range to 600 but lowering cost to 5?

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    you lie, backscratch deals 2k REEEE
    shadowshot even less, REEE
    if you think otherwise you are wrong, if you have proof its fabricated REEE

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    These numbers as usual complete kitten lmao 7k heartseeker? If all three damage lines are taken which makes the build useless and stars align maybe but far from the usual. Man u guys and ur inflated numbers are halarious, grow up omg it's a mmo.

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    Like if Inf Arrow was really a problem, why not BALANCE IT by reducing the port range to 600 but lowering cost to 5?

    pvp balance team can't change skills. reducing the range is a major change to the skill.

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    These numbers as usual complete kitten lmao 7k heartseeker? If all three damage lines are taken which makes the build useless and stars align maybe but far from the usual. Man u guys and ur inflated numbers are halarious, grow up omg it's a mmo.

    one and a half damage lines
    critical strikes (damage)
    trickery (half damage)
    daredevil (with dash. defensive)

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've been playing a glass thief d/p thief as of late, scrapping the sustain of SA for crit strikes. Despite claims of CS doing less damage than SA, I've been noticing huge numbers.

    It's especially nuts when opting to run Deadeye, I consistently hit 10kish malicious backstabs against squishy targets. Mind you, DE has inherently higher risk with the d/p set than DD, but boy is the payoff nice. I honestly prefer the higher risk to higher payoff. It's more in-line with how I prefer to play.

  • Kuma.1503Kuma.1503 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    Accidental double post, but I suppose I'll use this opportunity to post the build I use

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PawAgqRlNwuYbsMGJW2WnvOA-zZIPkMlC9rAKZEYrB

    It's balls to the wall, but a ton of fun.

  • Cynz.9437Cynz.9437 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kuma.1503 said:
    Accidental double post, but I suppose I'll use this opportunity to post the build I use

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PawAgqRlNwuYbsMGJW2WnvOA-zZIPkMlC9rAKZEYrB

    It's balls to the wall, but a ton of fun.

    Doesn't work vs anyone with more than 2 brain cells.

    Meh~

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Styros.8931 said:

    @Bear.9568 said:
    Buff thief, but what am I saying....

    only if its doesn't d/p trash build because its right now op. You need low iq to play d/p now , spam unblock blinds and blackpowder > heartseeker ,and someone after this say " thief is weak " :joy:

    Yeah, it is so OP that in the last 10 matches or so i have been the only thief in the match (which wasn't the case in previous seasons). But every match i have plethora of necros and guards, on both teams. I mean, i don't complain - most ppl can't rotate to save their life but yeah. I would really love to see class statistics this season.

    People are actually asking u to swap to a different class now. I actually had a team yelling at me cuz I was constantly decapping and when I'd +1 for a player they'd ask me to leave cuz players are starting to feel like a thief +1'ing for them is little help. I'm starting to see staff thieves again and more DE's cuz their the only specs that have any kind of damage. Wth is anets malfunction with balancing a rogue type class, it's a disaster.

    You should try to play core, you would just shake your head all day. It is sooooooo obvious that this game is P2W.

    In the sense that especs are almost always upgrades instead of side grades like was sopose to be the case said anet lol. I think the issue on top of anet not making balance a priority is they also rely on vocal qq'rs that are fueled by obvious bias to steer their infrequent balance decisions and now the games pvp is more of a mess than ever, sure ull get players that play the small handful of specs that are being spammed right now saying it's great but the population speaks for it self.
    Anet need to shut the community out and spend time on all classes and rework and balance each class to their vision of balance.

    Nah that is how we got the PVE dps rotation spam POF specks.

    And it's better now? The meta are all brainless spam builds on the few highly effective specs, yay.

    Exactly because of Arenanets vision for the game with PoF most of the spammy kitten came with it and as reworks after. Arenanets vision is PVE content but not high end but the spam your skills get presents kind. After the BIG patch they at least have direction, before it was one patch they baseline how mechanics work the other for some reason they added the reverse of that on picked professions. Now at least we are getting to a point where there is power management some give and take. All the thief complaints are getting on my nerves really, some classes don't have viable builds and the thieves bich and moan about their mobility build not one shoting people , kindly kitten off.

    What classes dont have viable builds?
    Guard- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Necro-meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Rev/ren- meta in pvp and wvw-check
    Ele- not meta pick but very high player counts in pvp and wvw- check
    Ranger- not a meta per se but high player presentation in both pvp and wvw-check
    Warrior- healbreaker meta in pvp and bubble in wvw-check
    Engi- meta in both pvp and wvw- check
    Mirage-not meta and only one gimmick build that's usually seen in pvp and wvw and player representation has falling off.
    Thief- not really meta in pvp anymore as its dropped off and not meta in wvw and is used to roam cuz what else u gonna do, also player representation has fallen off.
    It is u that needs to look through ur own bias and kindly kitten off as thief's were long sick and tired of reading ur guys content whines about the class far before u even had a forethought of being sick of listening to thief players qq's.
    Thanks

    Here is the victimhood again poor old thief, so poor so staple to pvp even after the sb nerfs. And still latching on the thief part, no grand vision for the whole game just poor old thief. There is still not a single profession that can substitute its slot, cause nothing can match it. And the whole check list proves my point several classes not meta and several barely have one build in there. There needs more work to be done, but they going in the general right direction, cause some stuff started etching in the playable category for example Berserker, it is still bad but it can have some impact these days.
    Cause i like ya i'll give one hint why thief can't have the ye oldy op kitten, they removed the passive proc defenses and surprise attacks became less manageable, some classes had a ball for a while, till they got slapped for not being much interactive and being able to port instantly people back to

    Honestly if u dont want to read thieves voice their opinion about thier class as is their right to do so than why are u reading and posting in a thread that's doing just that? By the tittle u shoulda just ignored it if ur tired of hearing thieves voice their opinion. Doesnt get any simpler than that really.

    Thieves can windge about thief in the Thief section instead of the PVP section instead of having the same thread about it reposted over and over and over, while everyone that is playing something else says " Shut the kitten up, you don't know how good you have it". I'm quite amazed that majority of thief players haven't touched the other classes or even tried a different build for thief for that matter and yet there is whining. I go and check the issue and lo and behold they do the same damage as everyone else on their mobility build , 4500 is the average hard hitting ability with cooldown( imagine having to deal with those) on the current balancing, give or take, It gets to 6 k with buffs.

    I read the first line and what I said still aply's, dont read and post in threads thief's post regarding their opinions on the state of their class if ur sick of reading them, again....simple, all ur doing is coming across as a whiney biases thief hater by doing so :)

    Its on the PVP forum free country here, if its the relegated thief forum it isn't, and i come here to entertain myself since whatever i say would not be read or it will be ignored. Strangely enough thief mains are the easiest to kitten with in game or on the forum. And don't try to dismiss walls of text with you are a hater, give me something to work with, entertain me.

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    Some classes literally have the same health as Thief, though?

    In case of Ele you even have less armor, yet are fully visible all the time, and without all the access to teleports and such since both Guard and Ele only have one utility port, and MAYBE one on weapon, depending on what's equipped. So to say you're super squishy and always playing on the edge when you can just disappear, even porting 5k range, is just silly.

    My Daredevil runs a full evasion build with no stealth and still dies more than my stealthy Deadeye. But players who haven't played a 100% fully visible class in competitive modes can't understand how awful it is to be targettable at 1.5k+ range.

    Besides, as I posted about in another thread on this topic, there's multiple ways to refill Initiative.

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hannelore.8153 said:
    Some classes literally have the same health as Thief, though?

    In case of Ele you even have less armor, yet are fully visible all the time, and without all the access to teleports and such since both Guard and Ele only have one utility port, and MAYBE one on weapon, depending on what's equipped. So to say you're super squishy and always playing on the edge when you can just disappear, even porting 5k range, is just silly.

    My Daredevil runs a full evasion build with no stealth and still dies more than my stealthy Deadeye. But players who haven't played a 100% fully visible class in competitive modes can't understand how awful it is to be targettable at 1.5k+ range.

    Besides, as I posted about in another thread on this topic, there's multiple ways to refill Initiative.

    Yeah sry ele can sustain its self in a 1v3 and eat 10x more damage than thief can literally. If it wants it also can have a teleport and also a 10 sec pulsing hard cc skill while it simply floats around, lastly the barriers.......
    Let's look at other light armors
    Necro... lol dont need to even say anything here.
    Mesmer- class has been gutted so yeah.
    Medium classes?
    Ranger- umm yeah barriers, defensive boons and can take a lot more hits than thief, a half kitten sustain build on ranger puts the best sustain build on teef to shame, damage wise to.
    Engi- scrapper sustain can be godly and holo's pretty darn good, wanna compare holo sustain and damage to thief? Lol

    Sry but.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    These numbers as usual complete kitten lmao 7k heartseeker? If all three damage lines are taken which makes the build useless and stars align maybe but far from the usual. Man u guys and ur inflated numbers are halarious, grow up omg it's a mmo.

    one and a half damage lines
    critical strikes (damage)
    trickery (half damage)
    daredevil (with dash. defensive)

    Daredevil is a damage traitline. Also good luck actually maintaining critical strikes multipliers in a realistic scenario rather than all of them turning off as soon as the fight starts. And even then you dont do 7k, you might do 6k if you push it.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kuma.1503 said:
    I've been playing a glass thief d/p thief as of late, scrapping the sustain of SA for crit strikes. Despite claims of CS doing less damage than SA, I've been noticing huge numbers.

    It's especially nuts when opting to run Deadeye, I consistently hit 10kish malicious backstabs against squishy targets. Mind you, DE has inherently higher risk with the d/p set than DD, but boy is the payoff nice. I honestly prefer the higher risk to higher payoff. It's more in-line with how I prefer to play.

    CS does less damage in realistic scenarios. The problem is most of the damage multipliers turn off in a realistic fight, so youre just left with less damage than the flat damage procs from SA. Especially against high toughness targets since those damage procs ignore armour.

  • UNOwen.7132UNOwen.7132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hannelore.8153 said:
    Some classes literally have the same health as Thief, though?

    In case of Ele you even have less armor, yet are fully visible all the time, and without all the access to teleports and such since both Guard and Ele only have one utility port, and MAYBE one on weapon, depending on what's equipped. So to say you're super squishy and always playing on the edge when you can just disappear, even porting 5k range, is just silly.

    Ele has a harder time running away, but a much easier time surviving in a fight. In fact, weaver is one of the hardest classes to actually pin down. Squishiness has nothing to do with how well you can avoid a fight, else spawn mesmer would be the tankiest class. Its how well you can survive in a fight. Thief cant, at all. Ele can with ease.

    My Daredevil runs a full evasion build with no stealth and still dies more than my stealthy Deadeye. But players who haven't played a 100% fully visible class in competitive modes can't understand how awful it is to be targettable at 1.5k+ range.

    Not really? Stealth is good for initiating fights, its pretty bad for actually surviving. Id take evades, blocks and invulns over stealth 10/10 times (on that note, Anet, pls give throw elixir S evade instead of stealth).

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @UNOwen.7132 said:

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    These numbers as usual complete kitten lmao 7k heartseeker? If all three damage lines are taken which makes the build useless and stars align maybe but far from the usual. Man u guys and ur inflated numbers are halarious, grow up omg it's a mmo.

    one and a half damage lines
    critical strikes (damage)
    trickery (half damage)
    daredevil (with dash. defensive)

    Daredevil is a damage traitline. Also good luck actually maintaining critical strikes multipliers in a realistic scenario rather than all of them turning off as soon as the fight starts. And even then you dont do 7k, you might do 6k if you push it.

    No point arguing man dont fall onto the same trap I did lol the fact they said 7k as a normal number off a heart seeker shows theres no point in discussing further. It's like they dont think thief players of 7 yrs dont know the average damages of skill within their builds. Crit/trick/DD nets u 1.5-2.5k heart seekers on average and anywhere from 3.8-4.5k on decent crits which dont always happen. Yeah if ur targets near death u can get 6-7k if u have might, they have vuln and are less than 25% hp'ish.
    These players that clearly dont play the class nor like it take thee highest numbers theyve seen skills do and post em on the forum. Funny it's always the same players and as can be expected not only do they not play the class but in their post history its evident they have a bias against the class, hey leonendrix:)

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    you lie, backscratch deals 2k REEEE
    shadowshot even less, REEE
    if you think otherwise you are wrong, if you have proof its fabricated REEE

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    I have tried to be overly sarcastic

    Someone reported some of our posts, man and they got deleted. The funny thing is that they are in quotes and seem to be important to the thread, this kitten is too funny. Also it is funny that thieves mains report people, on a troll thread, this is too rich.

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    @Hannelore.8153 said:
    Some classes literally have the same health as Thief, though?
    In case of Ele you even have less armor, yet are fully visible all the time, and without all the access to teleports and such since both Guard and Ele only have one utility port, and MAYBE one on weapon, depending on what's equipped. So to say you're super squishy and always playing on the edge when you can just disappear, even porting 5k range, is just silly.

    Even though this was addressed I'd like to quote it again and remind people with this thought process that context matters.

    Yes, Ele has less armor. Yes, Ele has less ports. They also have significant access to protection, evades, outright invulns, blocks and significant incoming healing to cover these weaknesses in various ways.

    Thief has various lengths of stealth to attempt to achieve this same level of weakness covering, yes, but to take it you have to give up point contesting, reduce your damage to 0, and hope that something doesn't reveal you and strip your sustain mechanic before you get value out of it.

    Health values at the end of the day don't matter all that much. what matters is how many avenues you have to keep yourself alive, and Thief always manages to get their builds shoved into the most -disliked- one.

    The "Balance" is a fantasy -- another mortal superstition.

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    @Kuma.1503 said:
    Accidental double post, but I suppose I'll use this opportunity to post the build I use

    http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PawAgqRlNwuYbsMGJW2WnvOA-zZIPkMlC9rAKZEYrB

    It's balls to the wall, but a ton of fun.

    I'm glad you're having fun with it, but this looks like itll lose to anyone that can close a 1200 range gap once. Not critique or anything, just... jaded

    The "Balance" is a fantasy -- another mortal superstition.

  • kash.9213kash.9213 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    you lie, backscratch deals 2k REEEE
    shadowshot even less, REEE
    if you think otherwise you are wrong, if you have proof its fabricated REEE

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    I have tried to be overly sarcastic

    Someone reported some of our posts, man and they got deleted. The funny thing is that they are in quotes and seem to be important to the thread, this kitten is too funny. Also it is funny that thieves mains report people, on a troll thread, this is too rich.

    You've typed up a small book so far full of angst, edginess, and false derision in this one troll thread. I don't think you find any of it funny. You seem to be super serious about it all like someone pushed a button. I hope you find some peace so you can escape the lowly thief forum.

    Northern Shiverpeaks [EL] & [SD]

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kash.9213 said:

    @Vancho.8750 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    you lie, backscratch deals 2k REEEE
    shadowshot even less, REEE
    if you think otherwise you are wrong, if you have proof its fabricated REEE

    I can't tell if you're being facetious or not
    in case you're not, shadow shot usually does about 5k to non-heavies
    heartseeker about 7k if it downs the guy. have gotten some 9ks, but those are rare, and always overkill

    I have tried to be overly sarcastic

    Someone reported some of our posts, man and they got deleted. The funny thing is that they are in quotes and seem to be important to the thread, this kitten is too funny. Also it is funny that thieves mains report people, on a troll thread, this is too rich.

    You've typed up a small book so far full of angst, edginess, and false derision in this one troll thread. I don't think you find any of it funny. You seem to be super serious about it all like someone pushed a button. I hope you find some peace so you can escape the lowly thief forum.

    It is amusing isn't it.