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whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited January 18, 2021 in Professions

You promised us more frequent patches to adjust problems on the run without leaving them untouched for months.

And here we are, many months passed since the last huge balance patch.

Are you working on something? Are you not? Buffs, nerfs, WvW alliance system...

Can we get any feedback or a date more or less?

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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    You promised us more frequent patches to adjust problems on the run without leaving them untouched for months.

    And here we are, many months passed since the last huge balance patch.

    Are you working on something? Are you not? Buffs, nerfs, WvW alliance system...

    Can we get any feedback or a date more or less?

    Lol gl........

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021

    Well, there was a "balance" patch December 1st 2020. That's not so long ago and answer some sPvP/WvW concerns.
    October 13th 2020 can also be labeled as a "balance" patch. Answering PvP concerns.
    July 7th 2020 had a consequent "balance" patch. Answering both sPvP and WvW concerns.

    Prior to that we had covid-19 outbreak and the dev's team thined out.

    I'd say that we are on a 2-3 months balance patch release rate at the moment. We could expect one in February or March. I'll even go as far as expecting this patch to address some sPvP concerns.

  • Usually February is the Month where they do a really big patch. Hopefully next month they really did something unless they delay it again.

  • Lily.1935Lily.1935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Don't expect any major changes until after EoD is released. That's what I'm expecting at least.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DKRathalos.9625 said:
    Usually February is the Month where they do a really big patch. Hopefully next month they really did something unless they delay it again.

    Maybe an annual ban-wave, too. One can hope.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sure thing! Right after some groundwork on the table.

  • Nimon.7840Nimon.7840 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lily.1935 said:
    Don't expect any major changes until after EoD is released. That's what I'm expecting at least.

    I think there will be one balance patch before EoD to prepare for the new elite specs.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well, pve did not have a balance patch since... July I think?

    @Nimon.7840 said:

    @Lily.1935 said:
    Don't expect any major changes until after EoD is released. That's what I'm expecting at least.

    I think there will be one balance patch before EoD to prepare for the new elite specs.

    Indeed, both core and HoT had major balance patches before next expansion release. Though I doubt the patch before EoD will be anywhere close.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @otto.5684 said:
    Well, pve did not have a balance patch since... July I think?

    July patch was like 80% PvP/WvW and 20% PvE, but, well yes, you could say that. Objectively, the last patch that wasn't directly claimed as PvP centric by ANet's devs was probably in december 2019.

  • Zee.1294Zee.1294 Member ✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    Well, there was a "balance" patch December 1st 2020. That's not so long ago and answer some sPvP/WvW concerns.
    October 13th 2020 can also be labeled as a "balance" patch. Answering PvP concerns.
    July 7th 2020 had a consequent "balance" patch. Answering both sPvP and WvW concerns.

    ....... say what?...Can you say that again?.....

  • Methuselah.4376Methuselah.4376 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2021

    I understand that with the current situation that it might not be as easy to maintain a steady work pace. However, is it just me or has it been an exceedingly long time since we've had a balance patch?

  • Mungo Zen.9364Mungo Zen.9364 Member ✭✭✭

    Post started yesterday on the same topic. Perhaps an answer to your question is within.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/121939/any-news-on-balance-patches#latest

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 16, 2021

    @Zee.1294 said:
    ....... say what?...Can you say that again?.....

    Help yourself, just look at the patch notes. It's not because the balance patchs aren't especially gamechanging that they aren't balance patchs.

    • December 1st 2020 mainly focused on removing skills that affect more than 10 target for WvW's sake and came along some damage balance on things like guardian or Engineer. You can't expect much more than that from a balance patch.
    • October 13th addressed mainly the growing concerns about Engineer and it's grenade cheese in sPvP. Yes, it was light for a balance patch, but still effective.
    • July 7th was a pretty heavy patch. Over a hundred point of balance targeted at either sPvP or WvW listed along some mechanical change.

    So, Yes I say it again.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We are down to 1 major balance patches a year then... The last update was NOT a balance patches.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    Like so all they can do is nerf and buff numbers, and that doesn't change toxic things like Immob spam Druid, or Trapper Runes.

    They could reduce the stealth on Trapper runes to 0 seconds.
    Since that change would be a numbers change, it wouldn't change the skill on a technical level, as it'd still apply stealth (albeit removing it instantly).

    Similarly, they could drastically reduce the immobilize duration to near non-existing.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    I don't consider anything Anet has done last year to be Balance changes at all.
    They are just playing whack-a-mole until no moles are left.

    Yu know what the dumbest thing is?
    I've heard that the balance team can't make skill changes to address long lasting problems because apparently THEY AREN'T ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE SKILLS.

    They've done quite a bit of that last year thought. Afterall, they reworked traits that allowed 5 target skills to reach 10 targets, they've removed some traits and introduced new one (Necromancer's blood bank, dread are good example) and there was some skills fonctionnality work (for example, chronomancer's shatters getting back the self shatter). And it's far from being an exhaustive list.

    Like so all they can do is nerf and buff numbers, and that doesn't change toxic things like Immob spam Druid, or Trapper Runes.
    And as such they can't hammer a specific problem, and add more power back into the Profession by reworking underused or mechanically weak parts.

    What you say here doesn't make sense. If you ever looked at the patch notes, you'd know they can and do the changes you believe they can't. You're citing things here that fit the perceived OPness of sPvP/WvW but this perceived OPness is in constant motion. A few month ago everyone wanted engineer nerfed (and it got it's nerfs) and before that everyone wanted the necromancer to be burned at the stack. Today everyone want guardian being kicked in the balls and tomorow everyone will want [chose any profession] to be obliterated.

    All we can hope for is when EoD is done, they can focus on reworking stuff that desperately needs reworking (Turrets, Minions, Underwater, problematic 300s traits etc.)

    Turret/minions always hoover at the edge of being OP, that's things ANet just can't make viable. Underwater is in an OK state based on the developpement priorities granted that there is not much underwater content in sPvP/WvW. 300s traits are what they are, in most case nobody is required to take them and there is 2 other option to chose from, which mean that it isn't really a priority for the dev team.

    But I know this won't happen, because they would be TOO BUSY BALANCING 9 NEW ESPECS WHICH ARE NO DOUBT GOING TO BE OP AS HECK.

    I doubt they will be "busy" but you're not wrong in saying that their focus will be mainly on those new e-specs. That said, these new e-specs will revive the game's player population and create an influx of cash so it wouldn't be surprising if they prioritize them.

    We objectively can't claim that ANet didn't make balance change after Feb 2020. There was plenty of number tweeks and even some skill/trait rework on a quaterly rythm (which mean pretty much the same rythm that the prior years). Yes they didn't increase the balance patch rate like they promised in Feb but at the same time 2020 wasn't a kind year for anybody (I believe what happened this year is enough to justify the fact that this promise was broken).

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Zee.1294 said:
    ....... say what?...Can you say that again?.....

    Help yourself, just look at the patch notes. It's not because the balance patchs aren't especially gamechanging that they aren't balance patchs.

    • December 1st 2020 mainly focused on removing skills that affect more than 10 target for WvW's sake and came along some damage balance on things like guardian or Engineer. You can't expect much more than that from a balance patch.
    • October 13th addressed mainly the growing concerns about Engineer and it's grenade cheese in sPvP. Yes, it was light for a balance patch, but still effective.
    • July 7th was a pretty heavy patch. Over a hundred point of balance targeted at either sPvP or WvW listed along some mechanical change.

    So, Yes I say it again.

    You're not allowed to do this. People are still mad and getting owned, so clearly somebody didn't do their job!

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:
    We are down to 1 major balance patches a year then... The last update was NOT a balance patches.

    If you water down the meaning of a word or term long enough, you truly can create your own reality where they absolutely didn't adjust a couple hundred things over the course of last year :)

  • Ganathar.4956Ganathar.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    We are down to 1 major balance patches a year then... The last update was NOT a balance patches.

    If you water down the meaning of a word or term long enough, you truly can create your own reality where they absolutely didn't adjust a couple hundred things over the course of last year :)

    PvE basically got no balancing this year. Almost everything was number changes for PvP and WvW, and number changes can only fix so much.

  • anonymous.7812anonymous.7812 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2021

    CMC said early this year.

  • Zee.1294Zee.1294 Member ✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Jski.6180 said:
    We are down to 1 major balance patches a year then... The last update was NOT a balance patches.

    If you water down the meaning of a word or term long enough, you truly can create your own reality where they absolutely didn't adjust a couple hundred things over the course of last year :)

    Well.. according to your reality .. the new normal is just number changes end in a game that you cant even play the character you want end there is stuff that stile waiting to get fix sins 2012.....well that is your reality ... not my!

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I just find it funny how people think the next balance patch will fix all of the problems where it will just create other problems, for me.. there is no point to talk about balance, just move to whatever class is best for whatever game mode you play

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2021

    A lot of the big balance patch (the only one we got) was done in one big update then a few small ones the 10 target update from the last update was only part of the major update. So we only got 1 big update this year.

    We are still waiting for the place holder 300 sec cd on passive skills update and for CC re-balancing to be finished as all cc still are on there same unbalanced cd with there dmg update nerfs. So its even worst we did not get a full balance update last year.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Zee.1294Zee.1294 Member ✭✭

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    I just find it funny how people think the next balance patch will fix all of the problems where it will just create other problems, for me.. there is no point to talk about balance, just move to whatever class is best for whatever game mode you play

    See... that is exactly why the bar is set so low....Yep... just pick another class....end you call that balance?....ok have fun!

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zee.1294 said:

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    I just find it funny how people think the next balance patch will fix all of the problems where it will just create other problems, for me.. there is no point to talk about balance, just move to whatever class is best for whatever game mode you play

    See... that is exactly why the bar is set so low....Yep... just pick another class....end you call that balance?....ok have fun!

    The game was more balanced with out elite spec then with them. So even if you cant say things being balanced ever you can say things are less balanced then they have been. Every new ideal anet seems to have only seems to make things worst if your playing the wrong class or not spending the money to get the right class.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zee.1294 said:

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    I just find it funny how people think the next balance patch will fix all of the problems where it will just create other problems, for me.. there is no point to talk about balance, just move to whatever class is best for whatever game mode you play

    See... that is exactly why the bar is set so low....Yep... just pick another class....end you call that balance?....ok have fun!

    The bar is set low because anet continued to fail.

  • Zee.1294Zee.1294 Member ✭✭

    @Jski.6180 said:

    @Zee.1294 said:

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    I just find it funny how people think the next balance patch will fix all of the problems where it will just create other problems, for me.. there is no point to talk about balance, just move to whatever class is best for whatever game mode you play

    See... that is exactly why the bar is set so low....Yep... just pick another class....end you call that balance?....ok have fun!

    The game was more balanced with out elite spec then with them. So even if you cant say things being balanced ever you can say things are less balanced then they have been. Every new ideal anet seems to have only seems to make things worst if your playing the wrong class or not spending the money to get the right class.

    Absolutely right... i had more fun in 2013/14 then ever after...Game was simpler end every class had there roll to play... now i em forced to play Another class cus my class just kitten no good at anything end you know wuts annoying .....is not just we gota wait for months end mounts but when the actual B patch come...is just some random number changes end that is that.... call it a day!.... i guess i should accept the fact that GW2 pass its prime long time ago end dont even bother......