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Commanders Should Have Time Limits

Jumpin Lumpix.6108Jumpin Lumpix.6108 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited October 24, 2017 in WvW

I feel that commanders should not be able to tag up for hours upon hours in wvw. Its very unfair to other commanders who would like to tag up on the map. It's even worse when commanders jump maps and upon returning to the original map, demand that whoever tagged up in the interim tag down.

If a commander challenges these commanders who are tagged up forever on this, I've noticed many of the followers of their squad or their guild mates bully whoever was trying to tag up, sometimes mercilessly.

I think commanders should have at a maximum a 1hr tag time followed by a mandatory 1 hr to 30 min tag down time across all wvw maps, so that other commanders get a chance. Other commanders would like to participate and get the extra pips too without being harassed or having all of the commanding monopolized on all maps by one person.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    Editing because of edited thread beginning.

    You can tag. If someone says tag off, you dont necessarily have to tag off. If they bully you, which is against tos, just report them.

    make a steady set of followers, your guildmates, and just play how you want.

    but use good judgment in tagging or not. which is essentially, will i have fun if i do this? if yes, do it. else, dont.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • Cerby.1069Cerby.1069 Member ✭✭✭

    You can ignore the other responses above, they don't get it.

    Your idea wouldn't work even with changes. I understand why you would request such a thing though, and why you identify items related to 'tag hogging' as a problem.
    Commander culture is a messed up thing. Its just how it is though.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lol this is ridiculous. You only need five people in the squad to get the extra pip. You can have 5 of these commanders on the map and still be able to field a 50 man.

    The idea - and taboo - that there is only "one commander per border" is entirerly player driven and aimed at zerging. Anet cant do kitten about that, only we can. A time limit on commanding would ruin it for everyone that actually loves it and guess what - 9 out of 10 times there wont be a commander to replace them when they leave. You do not want to drive them away.

    I only see this as "issue" if you insist on being tagged blue when a much bigger blue zerg descends on your border. Most servers have their defined tags and blue is commonly the largest open pug tag, that one group capable of taking on the enemy zerg. You do not want 2 blues on a single border, nor is it necessary. We got colors now. If you want to keep commanding with a 5 man group on an empty border when a 50+ jumps in... change to red or green or something. When they leave, change back to blue. Some servers even have raid schedules which may lead to you coming into conflict with them and they say tag down. Its up to you to keep track of that.

  • Zephyra.4709Zephyra.4709 Member ✭✭✭

    I respectfully disagree with your suggestion.

    • I think your suggestion is unfair on the WvW server community as a whole and would cause further distress in times where only one commander has the courage, wishing to tag and lead.
    • Your suggestion would further accentuate complaints of players running tagless implying so-called 'exclusion' when in reality it is your suggestion alone that hinders them from continuing to tag thus keeping things organised within the squad.
    • Being locked out of functions one could otherwise put to use creates a negative impact on gameplay - unable to tag therefore unable to utilise squad features.
  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    I've seen maps with no tags, I've seen maps with 4 tags, I've never seen a map that had more than 1 tag where one asked the other to tag down.

    Maybe other servers have so many people that more than 1 tag is not needed, who knows. But, personally that sounds like a stale uninspiring place to play.

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  • Cerby.1069Cerby.1069 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    dont ignore mine. i have commanded for 4 years. made enemies and allies in na and in eu. been bullied by server trolls, inferior coms and friends of those previously mentioned. and i still do my thing, thriving because i do my thing. =)

    what you ask for will kill wvw. just steel your feelings and talk to players.

    Generally people who answer in memes and self-gratifying stories are thriving cause you don't know the difference between it and festering.

  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cerby.1069 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    dont ignore mine. i have commanded for 4 years. made enemies and allies in na and in eu. been bullied by server trolls, inferior coms and friends of those previously mentioned. and i still do my thing, thriving because i do my thing. =)

    what you ask for will kill wvw. just steel your feelings and talk to players.

    Generally people who answer in memes and self-gratifying stories are thriving cause you don't know the difference between it and festering.

    not me. =) i have fun. else, i wouldnt bother.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • @HazyDaisy.4107 said:
    I've seen maps with no tags, I've seen maps with 4 tags, I've never seen a map that had more than 1 tag where one asked the other to tag down.

    Maybe other servers have so many people that more than 1 tag is not needed, who knows. But, personally that sounds like a stale uninspiring place to play.

    the op is from blackgate. no surprises here.

  • Inoki.6048Inoki.6048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    You cannot put a time limit on mentality. There are elitists (I know a server that is full of them, which I left), but mostly it's just about earning respect and a following. If people see you as a good comm they will naturally follow you. Prove your worth by demonstrating skills and you will always have a slot when you want to lead.

  • Nothing stopping you from tagging up and running a havoc squad.

    In fact I dont see enough havoc squad tagging up!
    If a havoc squad, even a small group of 5, are tagged up and attacking Bravost, a commander and distract the enemy by attacking Quentin.

    I see german, spanish and french specific severs take towers away from other main EU servers like this all the time.
    In fact their havoc squad can be just 2 people!
    And yet main EU servers dont even have a scout to report them.
    A tower is flipped before the commander even knows someone is on it!

    So tag up a different colour, let the open comm know your a small havoc squad and they can track you with your tag.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @henchmen.1856 said:

    @HazyDaisy.4107 said:
    I've seen maps with no tags, I've seen maps with 4 tags, I've never seen a map that had more than 1 tag where one asked the other to tag down.

    Maybe other servers have so many people that more than 1 tag is not needed, who knows. But, personally that sounds like a stale uninspiring place to play.

    the op is from blackgate. no surprises here.

    I wonder which time zone he plays in. On BG in NA prime there will be 2-3 tags on different maps who will come together to fight map blobs. Even small havoc tags will be present without open conflict.

    I am not sure where he is seeing this.

    Kind of puzzling actually.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Only commanders should have raptor mounts to bully roamers.

    ^This. As long they wear the chicken chaser title though.

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  • Inoki.6048Inoki.6048 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Only commanders should have raptor mounts to bully roamers.

    in one of NCSofts titles called Lineage 2 it worked the way that once a guild took a castle the leader of that guild was able to transform his strider mount into a flying wyvern and since this game development studio belongs to that same company I don't see why they wouldn't think about something like this in the future.

  • Except it was mostly used for scouting and was absolutely useless in combat.... And leaders in L2 were as they should be, aka big political leaders and personalities, not the best fighters, but that was a different (better) game with real open world pvp/pk and player made alliances where you fought for the glory of your clan and alliance not a server where you are forced to be, which you feel ashamed of representing half the days, and personally I would rather fight some of the douchebags of my server then some random French I do not even know and have nothing personal against.

    But back to the topic, OP, you cannot enforce hard limits like that. If you have kitten community that bullies own commanders, why would you want to help it by commanding? This is basically the status on my server. In my early days few months ago I thought hey this looks pretty easy can give it a shot one day. Now such an idea is laughable, the community is too rotten to deserve any help, and I do hold most of the still active commanders highly as they give in a lot of effort to keep this going. You portray them as leechers but they are very important. As it comes to guild, you can run internally even without tag, and this is where you can initially grow and expand from there. See, most of the WVW community is rather old, and they have their favorites and will not fallow anyone else if said favorite is on. If they do and he comes online, they tend to instantly come running back to him. You will not change this, you need to grow your own followers. If you mention pips, aka do it just for the reward than frankly, screw yourself.

  • Jana.6831Jana.6831 Member ✭✭✭

    @Offair.2563 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    Only commanders should have raptor mounts to bully roamers.

    ^This. As long they wear the chicken chaser title though.

    And are rangers.

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  • Haematic.4913Haematic.4913 Member ✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I feel that commanders should not be able to tag up for hours upon hours in wvw. Its very unfair to other commanders who would like to tag up on the map. It's even worse when commanders jump maps and upon returning to the original map, demand that whoever tagged up in the interim tag down.

    If a commander challenges these commanders who are tagged up forever on this, I've noticed many of the followers of their squad or their guild mates bully whoever was trying to tag up, sometimes mercilessly.

    I think commanders should have at a maximum a 1hr tag time followed by a mandatory 1 hr to 30 min tag down time across all wvw maps, so that other commanders get a chance. Other commanders would like to participate and get the extra pips too without being harassed or having all of the commanding monopolized on all maps by one person.

    Redacted.

  • Haematic.4913Haematic.4913 Member ✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    @Turk.5460 said:
    Why are people still taking OP seriously and responding to his topics? You are only making him think this is OK behavior. PSA to anyone who is new here: the OP makes a post every week asking for some aspect of WvW that he personally does not like to be changed or removed. It is getting very silly, to the point where OP recently said that he doesn't think roaming was an intended form of play.

    Thanks, I reported the thread as trolling / non-constructive. I figured it was such after I finished responding.

  • A very poor idea. I've never seen any evidence of any bullying by any commanders or their followers. I see no reason for anyone not to tag up if they wish.

  • Jumpin Lumpix.6108Jumpin Lumpix.6108 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've seen tons of maps with 2 tags on it. One tag with the majority of the zerg in it who map hop, and another tag trying to form a zerg.

    Everyone will attack the commander with the smaller squad by calling them a troll tag, or some other personal insult.

    Commanders shouldn't be able to monopolize all maps like this.

  • Often they do not have a choice, what will you do split when enemy throws zoneblob on you. Its not as simple as you thing. If the main tag faces a zoneblob, and the smaller one does not help and as a result the main one gets outnumbered and defeated, then the anger is well placed. Very few very good commanders can effectively cooperate.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I've seen tons of maps with 2 tags on it. One tag with the majority of the zerg in it who map hop, and another tag trying to form a zerg.

    Everyone will attack the commander with the smaller squad by calling them a troll tag, or some other personal insult.

    Commanders shouldn't be able to monopolize all maps like this.

    Huh. That's weird. I am on BG as well and rarely do I see this behavior. Especially as a small group that will run tagged often.

    I am surprised, as even one of our guilds that can be very trolly hasn't had an issue with it.

    I also play NA prime, so I am not sure where or how these situations are happening. Could be happening on other time zones, but this is the first I have heard.

  • Jumpin Lumpix.6108Jumpin Lumpix.6108 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I've seen tons of maps with 2 tags on it. One tag with the majority of the zerg in it who map hop, and another tag trying to form a zerg.

    Everyone will attack the commander with the smaller squad by calling them a troll tag, or some other personal insult.

    Commanders shouldn't be able to monopolize all maps like this.

    Huh. That's weird. I am on BG as well and rarely do I see this behavior. Especially as a small group that will run tagged often.

    I am surprised, as even one of our guilds that can be very trolly hasn't had an issue with it.

    I also play NA prime, so I am not sure where or how these situations are happening. Could be happening on other time zones, but this is the first I have heard.

    I'm not on BG, and I don't want to share what server im on as many of you seem to want to come harass me...

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I've seen tons of maps with 2 tags on it. One tag with the majority of the zerg in it who map hop, and another tag trying to form a zerg.

    Everyone will attack the commander with the smaller squad by calling them a troll tag, or some other personal insult.

    Commanders shouldn't be able to monopolize all maps like this.

    Huh. That's weird. I am on BG as well and rarely do I see this behavior. Especially as a small group that will run tagged often.

    I am surprised, as even one of our guilds that can be very trolly hasn't had an issue with it.

    I also play NA prime, so I am not sure where or how these situations are happening. Could be happening on other time zones, but this is the first I have heard.

    I'm not on BG, and I don't want to share what server im on as many of you seem to want to come harass me...

    My apologies then. I have the wrong person.

  • Sylvyn.4750Sylvyn.4750 Member ✭✭✭

    Very bad idea...we have a shortage of commanders as it is on DB/GoM/Kain...might have 2-3 commanding over all 4 maps during prime time, so your plan would cause smaller servers to suddenly have no commanders because a stupid timer ran out. In other words, you just want your enemies to be unorganized since your server has plenty of commanders, right? Please think about all the consequences for every server before making suggestions in the future, as opposed to these typically selfish requests that you seem to make on a regular basis.

  • Vermillion.4061Vermillion.4061 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    Yeah ruin things for guild groups that run a tag... Maybe you should be complaining about anet not adding squad markers/targets to non-squads and the lack of private guild tags that only guildies can see. (Anet has replied to this and said that they will never do this because it will discourage people to play if they see no tags)

    Please actually think about what would happen if your suggestions were ever added, it would actually accelerate the death of the gamemode.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I feel that commanders should not be able to tag up for hours upon hours in wvw. Its very unfair to other commanders who would like to tag up on the map. It's even worse when commanders jump maps and upon returning to the original map, demand that whoever tagged up in the interim tag down.

    If a commander challenges these commanders who are tagged up forever on this, I've noticed many of the followers of their squad or their guild mates bully whoever was trying to tag up, sometimes mercilessly.

    I think commanders should have at a maximum a 1hr tag time followed by a mandatory 1 hr to 30 min tag down time across all wvw maps, so that other commanders get a chance. Other commanders would like to participate and get the extra pips too without being harassed or having all of the commanding monopolized on all maps by one person.

    I believe it is a bad idea.....I cherish your desire for fairness to others though :)

  • CedarDog.9723CedarDog.9723 Member ✭✭✭

    Ooo! What about "Commanders Should Have Time Limits"

    ANet could look for anyone with access to a commander tag, let them play in WvW for 1 hour, then kick them from the game mode for 1.5 hours. Yeah, that would be an awesome idea too! Solve that pesky commander tag problem real fast. Oooh! They could do that for mentor tags in PvE too! Anyone with access to a mentor tag can play for 1 hour and then they're logged off of the game for 1.5 hours. :)

    On a more on-topic note, my server sometimes has multiple tags of the same color and while a little bit confusing sometimes, I haven't heard of people bickering over it. Most of the time we have a dearth of tags on maps. Map hopping occurs because people are trying to defend/attack objectives that are seeing activity, or avoid being attacked and looking for objectives that have no enemy focus and complaining about that is futile and changing the ability to map hop, especially with tag is bad. The idea of placing a time limit on tags is kind of dumb. What they COULD do is if there are multiple tags of the same shape and color, they could give each one a unique identifier, such as a number (1, 2, 3, etc.) on the tag.

    Also, create the ability to go into private mode in which only people who are in the squad can see tag they're following. Perhaps give it a unique color/shape that people in that squad would only ever see one on their own maps. That way, if someone's running a guild only or other private squad they could be active without drawing attention to themselves. Commanders in my guild will often form a squad, then have to leave and rejoin it to remove their tag in times that we're running a small group and we don't want randoms following us.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I've seen tons of maps with 2 tags on it. One tag with the majority of the zerg in it who map hop, and another tag trying to form a zerg.

    Everyone will attack the commander with the smaller squad by calling them a troll tag, or some other personal insult.

    Commanders shouldn't be able to monopolize all maps like this.

    Huh. That's weird. I am on BG as well and rarely do I see this behavior. Especially as a small group that will run tagged often.

    I am surprised, as even one of our guilds that can be very trolly hasn't had an issue with it.

    I also play NA prime, so I am not sure where or how these situations are happening. Could be happening on other time zones, but this is the first I have heard.

    I'm not on BG, and I don't want to share what server im on as many of you seem to want to come harass me...

    It's fairly simple to find out....

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  • X T D.6458X T D.6458 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    No to this ridiculous idea.

    BG

  • @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Jumpin Lumpix.6108 said:
    I've seen tons of maps with 2 tags on it. One tag with the majority of the zerg in it who map hop, and another tag trying to form a zerg.

    Everyone will attack the commander with the smaller squad by calling them a troll tag, or some other personal insult.

    Commanders shouldn't be able to monopolize all maps like this.

    Huh. That's weird. I am on BG as well and rarely do I see this behavior. Especially as a small group that will run tagged often.

    I am surprised, as even one of our guilds that can be very trolly hasn't had an issue with it.

    I also play NA prime, so I am not sure where or how these situations are happening. Could be happening on other time zones, but this is the first I have heard.

    I'm not on BG, and I don't want to share what server im on as many of you seem to want to come harass me...

    I do not want you harassed, but I recall the discussion on the old forum talking about registering for the BG TS https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/wuv/Blackgate-US where you discussed how you were having issues getting verified while standing in front of the admin. While you may have transferred etc., but you have your account name being displayed on this public forum like the rest of us, it is straightforward to go look up the server you are on. I am not going to waste time doing it, but I want you to realize that the information you do not want to broadcast is readily available.

  • Jana.6831Jana.6831 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2017

    He never said he was on BG.
    Just like he never said he was a ranger nor roamer, nor zergling nor commander nor not using "Chicken Chaser" as a title.

    OK, I was wrong.

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  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It doesn't really matter what server you're on unless people care enough to find out so they can harass you for the things you say on these forums.

    Although, you did state in an old forum post that you were on a particular server that excluded people from squads for a number of reasons, which started the string of perhaps unfavorable responses you'll see in many of your threads today. Suggestions were offered to you awhile back to consider another server, which perhaps you did. Good for you I suppose.

    However, if you've found yourself on another host server and the tagging exclusions and / or toxicity towards players or even other tags are still happening, that would be more those particular commanders ego. And for lack of a better word, punishments, should not be inflicted on every tag because a few have decided they are the king (or queen) of their server.

    Remember everyone saying no one has the right to tell a commander how to run his squad? This still applies, even for kings (or queens), but in the same hand, commanders do not have the right and should not submit if they are told to tag down, switch colors perhaps, help out with a big problem even, only asking though, not forcing. They paid for that tag and can use it however they please.

    Now, if you've found yourself on a guest server, the good news is your group will change this Friday. And with change comes alot of people moving to a different server because they didn't like said change.

    Not that we guests or even hosts, don't experience an adjustment period every 2 months, but trolling and egos usually take a back seat to optimism and newness for the first week or so. After that, it's usually back to this. And sadly, it's usually worse for those on an unnamed server. One either adjusts, transfers, counts the days to the next switch or just quits, but, the choice ours.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    turn on your tag. get 5 guys. do k train. and all is well.

    Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.

  • coglin.1496coglin.1496 Member ✭✭✭

    OP. No one can make you do anything, so tag up if you desire. But I do find it despicable that you think they should change the rules to force others into a time limit because you are not capable of doing what you want, on your own.

    Do not confuse your objective opinion with that of objective fact. Remember, what you say matters, not what you meant to say.

  • I don't think that is needed. Commanders are meant to be upstanding members of the community. If they are bullying other tags or bad mouthing people in chat. They are no commander, and no one should be following him.

    Commanders job is to get people to work together, not push them apart.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Guess it breaks down differently on the blob servers.
    Non-blob server:
    10% of the time I see 2 commanders on the same map (reset for example)
    30% of the time I see 1 commander on the map I'm on (although I'm usually tower scouting/flipping camps/back capping)
    30% of the time I see no commander on the map (not outmanned)
    30% of the time I have the outmanned buff

    That said, there is no reason a small guild can't tag up and run a havoc/or practice leading. I don't think we need to set a time limit on anyone tagged, people just need to accept that other/small groups may also want to play on that map and be tagged.

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  • K THEN.5162K THEN.5162 Member ✭✭✭

    First the anti-roaming post now this @[email protected] what's with you and creating controversial topics

    WHAT?!? Did you expect something special would be written here

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @K THEN.5162 said:
    First the anti-roaming post now this @[email protected] what's with you and creating controversial topics

    This person is a troll and/or extremely delusional and out of touch with reality.

  • Trajan.4953Trajan.4953 Member ✭✭✭

    OMG people stop feeding this Troll.

  • Roxanne.6140Roxanne.6140 Member ✭✭✭

    Hello op, you look familiar. Haven't I seen u in some other part of the forum before?

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