I want 2012 PVP back

Condi meta is unfun to play as/against, everything happens too fast with elite specs, with all the visual clutter you can't even see what people are casting anymore. legacy pvp mode without elite specs pls. also make trebuchet at kyhlo manual target again :(

We all do.

But the money and casuals have spoken.

You have to realize, nostalgia aside, that 2012-2015 was EXTREMELY oneshoty and punishing for new players.Basically bottom 50% of players are sooo bad, they kept dying to quickness+100b combos, so they nerfed and changed it to boon.Meanwhile the top 50% of players are surviving 1v10 , because they know how to "abuse" all the game mechanics that nobody teaches you ( no port spots, kiting, animation canceling and precasting, stealth openers, melee builds hitting nothing and poeple only dying cz everyone wore the best zerker amulet...)

Instead of potential niche high tier scenes like smash melee, the game rather went the normal mainstream route to not care about top0.01% balance but rather make average customer happy enough to buy next product. A business has to make money in the end.

The only way to counter Time Warp , was to place your own Time Warp:)

@Wisely.4819 said:Condi meta is unfun to play as/against, everything happens too fast with elite specs, with all the visual clutter you can't even see what people are casting anymore. legacy pvp mode without elite specs pls. also make trebuchet at kyhlo manual target again :(

Wasn't 2012 condi meta?

@Wisely.4819 said:Condi meta is unfun to play as/against, everything happens too fast with elite specs, with all the visual clutter you can't even see what people are casting anymore. legacy pvp mode without elite specs pls. also make trebuchet at kyhlo manual target again :(

its power meta bruh

@Flumek.9043 said:Instead of potential niche high tier scenes like smash melee, the game rather went the normal mainstream route to not care about top0.01% balance but rather make average customer happy enough to buy next product. A business has to make money in the end.

Many average players in my matches (at least I assume they are average, there is no telling with the Match Maker being dysfunctional) aren't happy with PvP either.All that condition spam, AoE spam and CC spam sucks the fun right out of it.

@Wisely.4819 said:Condi meta is unfun to play as/against, everything happens too fast with elite specs, with all the visual clutter you can't even see what people are casting anymore. legacy pvp mode without elite specs pls. also make trebuchet at kyhlo manual target again :(

Problem is, in the years they changed core spells/traits/equipment a lot as well. The game wouldn't feel the same as it was before. Otherwise as far as i recall, there have been posts asking for the same thing, especially when HOT-madness hit live servers but alas....

2012, 2013, heck even Jan 2020.You could rewind back to pretty much any point in the game's lifespan and it would be way better than what it is now.

15k backstab no ty

2012 meta can not come back. You'd need to undo a condition rework, and 2 major trait system reworks.... and delete thousands of hours of experience from the brains of veteran players. PvP was dumb fun back in the day, everyone was learning.

@Leonidrex.5649 said:its power meta bruh

I'm pretty sure, even if GW2's devs were to remove all condi amulet and condi runeset some players would still believe that it's a condi meta.

If they removed support healing and boon generation its possible to have something similar. They undervalued field combos with powercreep. Field combos made the game feel more dynamic and worthwhile. Now its just another aoe on the field.

I just want pre feb back with the addition of a few shaves to the classes that were outliers

I think that returning to groups of 5 vs 5 in ranked, returning the amulets and the old seals and runes would be more fun and people would be happier.

what he likes is to play with friends and since they took it away the pvp from bad to worse