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So i'm thinking of finally expanding my mount collection with flying ones.

But i don't know which one to get first. I don't have enough gold for both, but i'm going to take the gold cost in chunks anyway, as i'm making money, don't want to drop too low.
I know Griffon costs 250 gold, but i can't find the cost of Skyscale anywhere. I know there's materials involved but, what's the approximate price, anyone know?

Anyway... I heard Griffon is very fun to fly but Skyscale is an actual flying mount, i know i can't go up on the spot with a Griffon.
I'm going to get both eventually, but i need to decide which one to get first, can't work on both for obvious reasons.

Which one would you recommend first and why? Which one is easier to get?
I have HoT, PoF, LW3, LW4 and i think 3 episodes of LW2. Will that be enough? I also think i have the Icebrood saga but i haven't started that yet.

Post your thoughts please.
Thank you!

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2021

    Get the Skyscale, it's more versatile. It takes more effort, but it's worth it (and I found the collections to be fun).

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Anyway... I heard Griffon is very fun to fly but Skyscale is an actual flying mount, i know i can't go up on the spot with a Griffon.
    I'm going to get both eventually, but i need to decide which one to get first, can't work on both for obvious reasons.

    Which one would you recommend first and why? Which one is easier to get?

    It depends on what you mean by 'actual flying mount'. Neither of them can fly like I've heard WoW mounts can where it's pretty much free movement in 3 directions. The skyscale can rise straight up a short distance, gain more height by wall jumping once that mastery is trained and can hover in one spot indefinitely but when it's moving it's like when you're gliding - it will gradually lose height and will eventually have to land and take off again.

    The griffon moves faster, but it can't gain much height (no more than a jump) on take-off so it needs to start from a height to be really useful and it can't stop in the air - it's always moving forwards. You can slow down in the air, and it's possible to speed up and even gain some height by diving and swooping, but that needs a lot of open space. Also like the skyscale it will gradually lose height as it flies so it can't stay up forever. In the right conditions it's possible to go a long way (like all the way across Desert Highlands from Fortune's Vale to Prophet's Fall) but most flights will be a matter of going between perches.

    The description I like is the griffon is a fighter jet and the skyscale is a helicopter - neither is fundamentally better than the other, it's a question of which fits your needs best. The griffon is probably easier and quicker to get, but it depends on which is most worthwhile for you.

    If I was choosing just 1 I'd pick the skyscale because it's more useful for me given I'm not usually in a hurry and spend a lot of time exploring, where being able to take off from a ledge and hover to look at the area from the air is useful (also I love dragons, so I'd never pass up the chance to have one of my own). But I've got both and the griffon is the one which usually stays on my mount button for quick access, because if I don't have time to think about it and reach the dedicated keybindings I probably am in a hurry and the griffon is the most versatile fast mount.

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    I know Griffon costs 250 gold, but i can't find the cost of Skyscale anywhere. I know there's materials involved but, what's the approximate price, anyone know?

    If you don't mind spoilers for the process you can find info on what's required to unlock each mount on their respective Wiki pages:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Griffon_(mount)#Unlocking
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Skyscale/Walkthrough

    You're probably aware of this but both require a series of collections which involve doing various events as well as buying items, neither is a straight purchase.

    Part of getting the griffon is buying 10 items at 25g each, for a total cost of 250g. The gold cost of the skyscale is more complicated because a lot of it depends on how you choose to do things. For example you need 12 pieces of skyscale food and you can craft them at a cost of 1g 68s each, buy them from the TP for 2g 51s with a buy order or buy them instantly for 2g 81s (and like all TP or crafting prices those will change over time). Later on there's a collection which requires you to complete 21 jumping puzzles or world bosses, or you can use a special item to skip any/all the things on the list. Those cost 4g 56s to craft or 4g 61s or 6g to buy from the TP.

    So it's impossible to put a definite price on the skyscale collection. An individual player can work out for themselves how much it will cost based on how they plan to complete each step, what materials they already have etc. but it will be different for each person. But I'd say if you're willing to pay the 250g for the griffon then the gold cost of the skyscale is irrelevant because you'd almost have to go out of your way to spend more than that getting it.

    The bigger cost for the skyscale is that it requires 250 of each Season 4 map currency (Kralkatite Ore, Difluorite Crystals, Inscribed Shards, Lumps of Mistonium, Branded Masses and Mistborn Motes). There's several different ways to get each of those, but unless you've already got them it's going to take a while.

    Wow, thank you for the detailed explanation! Much appreciated!

    I really thought the Skyscale was a full 3D mount, i had no idea it behaves like a glider when flying, i really thought you could go up and wherever you want. Didn't really pay attention to how players use their Skyscales, nor did i youtube it obviously. :tongue:

    Good analogy though, helpful to visualize how each one controls (though i tried the griffon once when i started the collection, there's free ones at the sunspear).

    As for the gold cost, i understand now. I did look at the wikis previously, but wasn't sure. But your post helped, it's all relative to TP costs, but if it's not that much cheaper/expensive than the Griffon, then i guess my only real question is, what i really want in the first place.

    And i think i will start with the Griffon. I already started that collection, and it's accessible right now. I'd have to wait for the Skyscale since i didn't even get to that part of the story yet. I don't even have the Beetle unlocked yet. Plus, all the map currencies you need to collect, and since i don't even have all those maps yet, i will wait until i actually have all that unlocked and am familliar with them before i start. So while i'm working on the griffon, i can do the story in parallel and slowly unlock all that's necessary for starting the Skyscale properly.

    Thank you very much! :smile:

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2021

    If you don't have the Crystal Champion mastery all done I suggest you start the skyscale first, it's the poor people's choice because it's cheaper in gold then the Griffon but it's more grindy. The Griffon can be faster than a Skyscale in some situations and it can dive at an incredibly fast speed and you can mount on a Griffon while falling from a cliff or while gliding but it takes longer than a Skyscale to master.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You can mount on either skyscale or griffon when falling depending on which you select during the fall.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2021

    Griffon is easier to get by far, but skyscale is probably more useful. Griffon has very niche uses -> adventures, it's very fast when maxed with mastery and you can start from a large drop, it's pretty fun. Skyscale can go up way higher. The griffon is kind of like a baby flying mount without starting on altitude -> You can jump before flapping so you can get some distance off the ground and glide for a bit, but as far as traversing HUGE cliffs or something, it's not that great. It's probably my favorite mount, but it just has really niche uses.

    Also note, you will have to complete the mastery achievement for Jahai if you want Vision, Griffon adventures are one of the categories. You will also need skyscale for Vision as well. It just occurred to me some of the rifts are only accessible via skyscale.

  • Skyscale is definitely the better mount to get first. I have all the mounts, and I use the skyscale more than any other mount. It's the most versatile mount available. There is nothing wrong with the Griffon, but it is not as useful and versatile.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    If you don't have the Crystal Champion mastery all done I suggest you start the skyscale first, it's the poor people's choice because it's cheaper in gold then the Griffon but it's more grindy. The Griffon can be faster than a Skyscale in some situations and it can dive at an incredibly fast speed and you can mount on a Griffon while falling from a cliff or while gliding but it takes longer than a Skyscale to master.

    Why does that matter for the Griffon? I have 2/4 of that mastery trained.

    And thank you all for your input. I will consider getting skyscale as well.
    But, since the griffon only requires gold and a collection (no gathering), i can probably work on both simultaniously. Cause skyscale will take way more time to get than griffon, and as i do griffon collections, i can do some skyscale gathering as well. Still need to get to that story part to unlock the collection for skyscale in the first place. So griffon might be done sooner.

  • Kondor.2904Kondor.2904 Member ✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    If you don't have the Crystal Champion mastery all done I suggest you start the skyscale first, it's the poor people's choice because it's cheaper in gold then the Griffon but it's more grindy. The Griffon can be faster than a Skyscale in some situations and it can dive at an incredibly fast speed and you can mount on a Griffon while falling from a cliff or while gliding but it takes longer than a Skyscale to master.

    Why does that matter for the Griffon? I have 2/4 of that mastery trained.

    And thank you all for your input. I will consider getting skyscale as well.
    But, since the griffon only requires gold and a collection (no gathering), i can probably work on both simultaniously. Cause skyscale will take way more time to get than griffon, and as i do griffon collections, i can do some skyscale gathering as well. Still need to get to that story part to unlock the collection for skyscale in the first place. So griffon might be done sooner.

    I would say those masteries affect griffon to much lesser degree than skyscale. But imo the vigor one and the leap masteries are essential for skyscale, it's a completely different experience when you are not able to use 4 dashes, instantly regain altitude or use the dash-boosted leap to quickly mount off. Griffon is pretty much the same experience with or without them (being a bit more pleasant with, of course), but skyscale is not skyscale without them. I actually suspect that might be the reason some people dislike skyscale, they don't have those masteries or don't use them.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Between the two a fully mastered skyscale is a mount you use 99% of the time and the other 1% is a griffon on that very specific route from point A to point B on a very specific boss meta on a very specific map where you could use the skyscale, you'll just arrive a little later.

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  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kondor.2904 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    If you don't have the Crystal Champion mastery all done I suggest you start the skyscale first, it's the poor people's choice because it's cheaper in gold then the Griffon but it's more grindy. The Griffon can be faster than a Skyscale in some situations and it can dive at an incredibly fast speed and you can mount on a Griffon while falling from a cliff or while gliding but it takes longer than a Skyscale to master.

    Why does that matter for the Griffon? I have 2/4 of that mastery trained.

    And thank you all for your input. I will consider getting skyscale as well.
    But, since the griffon only requires gold and a collection (no gathering), i can probably work on both simultaniously. Cause skyscale will take way more time to get than griffon, and as i do griffon collections, i can do some skyscale gathering as well. Still need to get to that story part to unlock the collection for skyscale in the first place. So griffon might be done sooner.

    I would say those masteries affect griffon to much lesser degree than skyscale. But imo the vigor one and the leap masteries are essential for skyscale, it's a completely different experience when you are not able to use 4 dashes, instantly regain altitude or use the dash-boosted leap to quickly mount off. Griffon is pretty much the same experience with or without them (being a bit more pleasant with, of course), but skyscale is not skyscale without them. I actually suspect that might be the reason some people dislike skyscale, they don't have those masteries or don't use them.

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Between the two a fully mastered skyscale is a mount you use 99% of the time and the other 1% is a griffon on that very specific route from point A to point B on a very specific boss meta on a very specific map where you could use the skyscale, you'll just arrive a little later.

    Interesting. So it seems most people feel like Skyscale is the way. :smile:
    Well, it couldn't hurt to start it, i'm doing that story now anyway, i might as well start collecting stuff for it. :smile:

    Thank you!

  • skyscale ftw griffon is more or less a mount for just standing in town looking good, no use if not fully mastered which i still havent..

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    [Griffon] Also like the skyscale it will gradually lose height as it flies so it can't stay up forever.

    That is incorrect. Once you are on superspeed, you merely need to flap the wings once each time the energy bar is filled up to keep your altitude.

    That way, you can stay up in the air forever and even perform the craziest stunts:

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Danikat.8537 said:
    [Griffon] Also like the skyscale it will gradually lose height as it flies so it can't stay up forever.

    That is incorrect. Once you are on superspeed, you merely need to flap the wings once each time the energy bar is filled up to keep your altitude.

    That way, you can stay up in the air forever and even perform the craziest stunts:

    To be honest, those videos are what made me want a griffon in the first place! :smile:

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 1, 2021

    If you knew where to find high elevated ground and learned how to gain speed by flapping when diving I am sure you would appreciate the Griffon more than the skyscale, the mount is fast. The difference between the two flying mounts can be noticed while doing Dragonfall meta event where you fight the elder dragon and other maps where you can dive with the Griffon.

  • Mungo Zen.9364Mungo Zen.9364 Member ✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Kondor.2904 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    If you don't have the Crystal Champion mastery all done I suggest you start the skyscale first, it's the poor people's choice because it's cheaper in gold then the Griffon but it's more grindy. The Griffon can be faster than a Skyscale in some situations and it can dive at an incredibly fast speed and you can mount on a Griffon while falling from a cliff or while gliding but it takes longer than a Skyscale to master.

    Why does that matter for the Griffon? I have 2/4 of that mastery trained.

    And thank you all for your input. I will consider getting skyscale as well.
    But, since the griffon only requires gold and a collection (no gathering), i can probably work on both simultaniously. Cause skyscale will take way more time to get than griffon, and as i do griffon collections, i can do some skyscale gathering as well. Still need to get to that story part to unlock the collection for skyscale in the first place. So griffon might be done sooner.

    I would say those masteries affect griffon to much lesser degree than skyscale. But imo the vigor one and the leap masteries are essential for skyscale, it's a completely different experience when you are not able to use 4 dashes, instantly regain altitude or use the dash-boosted leap to quickly mount off. Griffon is pretty much the same experience with or without them (being a bit more pleasant with, of course), but skyscale is not skyscale without them. I actually suspect that might be the reason some people dislike skyscale, they don't have those masteries or don't use them.

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Between the two a fully mastered skyscale is a mount you use 99% of the time and the other 1% is a griffon on that very specific route from point A to point B on a very specific boss meta on a very specific map where you could use the skyscale, you'll just arrive a little later.

    Interesting. So it seems most people feel like Skyscale is the way. :smile:
    Well, it couldn't hurt to start it, i'm doing that story now anyway, i might as well start collecting stuff for it. :smile:

    Thank you!

    I tend to think the question is "Do I get Griffon before or after Skyscale?" The answer is Yes.

    While many blow up Skyscale to be the be 'the best' mount, I far prefer Griffon in many situations, but both are equally useful when used properly.

    The suggestion I didn't see here was to use Bjora Marches (Icebrood Saga Chapter 2 and 3) to help farm for your Skyscale. Eternal Ice can be converted into the currency for Skyscale at a faster rate than farming Season 4 maps, the gold generation is pretty decent at the same time as farming the Eternal Ice.

    Whichever mount you get first, it will make getting the second one easier!

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    To be honest, those videos are what made me want a griffon in the first place! :smile:

    Yeah, but during regular gameplay, you won't be having an experience like that. The Skyscale is much better suited for exploration and regular gameplay. The Griffon is more of a niche mount.

    @Mungo Zen.9364 said:
    I tend to think the question is "Do I get Griffon before or after Skyscale?" The answer is Yes.

    :lol: "Yes" to getting the Skyscale first.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mungo Zen.9364 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Kondor.2904 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    If you don't have the Crystal Champion mastery all done I suggest you start the skyscale first, it's the poor people's choice because it's cheaper in gold then the Griffon but it's more grindy. The Griffon can be faster than a Skyscale in some situations and it can dive at an incredibly fast speed and you can mount on a Griffon while falling from a cliff or while gliding but it takes longer than a Skyscale to master.

    Why does that matter for the Griffon? I have 2/4 of that mastery trained.

    And thank you all for your input. I will consider getting skyscale as well.
    But, since the griffon only requires gold and a collection (no gathering), i can probably work on both simultaniously. Cause skyscale will take way more time to get than griffon, and as i do griffon collections, i can do some skyscale gathering as well. Still need to get to that story part to unlock the collection for skyscale in the first place. So griffon might be done sooner.

    I would say those masteries affect griffon to much lesser degree than skyscale. But imo the vigor one and the leap masteries are essential for skyscale, it's a completely different experience when you are not able to use 4 dashes, instantly regain altitude or use the dash-boosted leap to quickly mount off. Griffon is pretty much the same experience with or without them (being a bit more pleasant with, of course), but skyscale is not skyscale without them. I actually suspect that might be the reason some people dislike skyscale, they don't have those masteries or don't use them.

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Between the two a fully mastered skyscale is a mount you use 99% of the time and the other 1% is a griffon on that very specific route from point A to point B on a very specific boss meta on a very specific map where you could use the skyscale, you'll just arrive a little later.

    Interesting. So it seems most people feel like Skyscale is the way. :smile:
    Well, it couldn't hurt to start it, i'm doing that story now anyway, i might as well start collecting stuff for it. :smile:

    Thank you!

    I tend to think the question is "Do I get Griffon before or after Skyscale?" The answer is Yes.

    While many blow up Skyscale to be the be 'the best' mount, I far prefer Griffon in many situations, but both are equally useful when used properly.

    The suggestion I didn't see here was to use Bjora Marches (Icebrood Saga Chapter 2 and 3) to help farm for your Skyscale. Eternal Ice can be converted into the currency for Skyscale at a faster rate than farming Season 4 maps, the gold generation is pretty decent at the same time as farming the Eternal Ice.

    Whichever mount you get first, it will make getting the second one easier!

    Long way from Icebrood saga still but thank you, i'll keep that in mind. :smile:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    To be honest, those videos are what made me want a griffon in the first place! :smile:

    Yeah, but during regular gameplay, you won't be having an experience like that. The Skyscale is much better suited for exploration and regular gameplay. The Griffon is more of a niche mount.

    @Mungo Zen.9364 said:
    I tend to think the question is "Do I get Griffon before or after Skyscale?" The answer is Yes.

    :lol: "Yes" to getting the Skyscale first.

    Yes, it seems that Skyscale would be more useful to me.
    To be fair, i'm mainly playing WvW so you know... Warclaw... :tongue:
    But i farm Bloodstone fen and stuff for ascended trinkets and the like, plus general PvE when i'm not playing WvW, so yeah, having a "helicopter mount" that can go up and fly me around would be very useful as opposed to the griffing that's basically a faster glider (without masteries).

    So yeah, upon further consideration, i'm off to grind for the Skyscale! :smiley:
    It'll take forever but i'll get there eventually.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    So yeah, upon further consideration, i'm off to grind for the Skyscale! :smiley:
    It'll take forever but i'll get there eventually.

    Much success and have fun! :)

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭

    The Skyscale is most suitable for casual players who need an all-round flying mount with a slow speed which can take them almost everywhere that doesn't require a jackal sand portal in order to be reached. At the end of the day I will end up with every mounts available just for collection purposes and I will blast my way in Dragonfall's Meta with my superfast diving Griffon :)

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    So yeah, upon further consideration, i'm off to grind for the Skyscale! :smiley:
    It'll take forever but i'll get there eventually.

    Much success and have fun! :)

    Thank you! :smile:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    The Skyscale is most suitable for casual players who need an all-round flying mount with a slow speed which can take them almost everywhere that doesn't require a jackal sand portal in order to be reached. At the end of the day I will end up with every mounts available just for collection purposes and I will blast my way in Dragonfall's Meta with my superfast diving Griffon :)

    Yup! Hopefully it'll help me get around faster.
    And i'll get the griffon as well eventually and all the other mounts. So no worries. :smile:

  • I think the real question is "what do you want the mount for?"

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2021

    @javier.9786 said:
    I think the real question is "what do you want the mount for?"

    Well, to help me get around, farm bloodstone fen and other glider hravy areas, and to fly around in general. :)

  • sitarskee.5738sitarskee.5738 Member ✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @javier.9786 said:
    I think the real question is "what do you want the mount for?"

    Well, to help me get around, farm bloodstone fen and other glider hravy areas, and to fly around in general. :)

    Both would be good but skyscale slightly better of course. Griffon takes less time to complete though. Eventually you'd want both of those mounts so I think it doesn't matter which one you do first.

    Personally I'd do griffon and then work on your collections for skyscale. You will need some LS4 currency so if you haven't got it saved up it will take you some time. Not sure how much it takes now since I did it on release pre-nerf.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sitarskee.5738 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @javier.9786 said:
    I think the real question is "what do you want the mount for?"

    Well, to help me get around, farm bloodstone fen and other glider hravy areas, and to fly around in general. :)

    Both would be good but skyscale slightly better of course. Griffon takes less time to complete though. Eventually you'd want both of those mounts so I think it doesn't matter which one you do first.

    Personally I'd do griffon and then work on your collections for skyscale. You will need some LS4 currency so if you haven't got it saved up it will take you some time. Not sure how much it takes now since I did it on release pre-nerf.

    Pre nerf? It's easier to get Skyscale now?

    And yeah, i'll get the Griffon too eventually. Maybe even in the meantime, and then just buy the 25g components as i make gold. Don't want to spend all 250g at once. So i might get griffon sooner than expected. Or at least most of the way as i work on Skyscale.

    Got my Roller beetle today though! Fun mount! :smile:
    I'm currently at Jahai Bluffs part of the story, just started. So yeah, it'll be a while.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Pre nerf? It's easier to get Skyscale now?

    iirc there was a significant time-gate that was reduced.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • DoomNexus.5324DoomNexus.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    Definitely Skyscale. Griffon is only superior if you are standing somewhere very high and have to fly very far quick due to the dive. Other than that Skyscale is better..
    1) You can hover somewhere in the air, outside of enemy range if you need to go afk real quick
    2) You can get a lot higher, a lot easier
    3) Apart from dive speed boosting the griffon, the skyscale is faster (it has a dash as skill btw)
    4) It's cheaper (goldwise) but time gated and you are forced to have LS4 map currencies

    Honestly I'm almost never using my griffon since I have my skyscale. Only if I'm reaaally high up and want to take a dive but then it's mostly for fun. Skyscale also works better with autorun.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Pre nerf? It's easier to get Skyscale now?

    iirc there was a significant time-gate that was reduced.

    Oh nice! Then i'll get mine that much quicker!
    Not that i'm in a hurry anyway. :tongue:

    But i have a full stack of diflourite crystals from WvW, so that's one time gate down. :smile:
    The rest of the time gates are raising it and other map currency right?

    Anyway, this is exciting, for the longest time i had nothing to work toward except WvW legendaries which are the worst time gate so they're not happening in at least 6 more months (though i made 2 of them), so in the meantime, i decided to unlock my mounts. :smile:
    That got me to LS4 story and maps and i have to say - i'm impressed! I LOVE the story and the instances and the maps! Much better than LW3 which was "meh" at times. I'm having much more fun in LS4 maps than i did LW3, though LW3 was super useful to gear my main with trinkets. I also plan on doing the siren's landing some more for the butterfly backpack. Very Mesmer-y so i have to have it haha. But other than that, i'm in the desert most of my time now and it's fun!

    @DoomNexus.5324 said:
    Definitely Skyscale. Griffon is only superior if you are standing somewhere very high and have to fly very far quick due to the dive. Other than that Skyscale is better..
    1) You can hover somewhere in the air, outside of enemy range if you need to go afk real quick
    2) You can get a lot higher, a lot easier
    3) Apart from dive speed boosting the griffon, the skyscale is faster (it has a dash as skill btw)
    4) It's cheaper (goldwise) but time gated and you are forced to have LS4 map currencies

    Honestly I'm almost never using my griffon since I have my skyscale. Only if I'm reaaally high up and want to take a dive but then it's mostly for fun. Skyscale also works better with autorun.

    Well, i want to do some griffon flying some time, just for fun, but i understand that's not very useful for getting around. So i'll focus on Skyscale first, then do Griffon when i can, or when i wait for Skyscale timegates or something.

  • Ss is better for farming and getting to hard areas, Griffon is good if you want to get fast to event and things like that

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    I barely render those slow poke Skyscales when I swoop past them on my Griffon.

    IMO, If you haven't played LS4 yet, go for Griffon and optionally also Beetle first. You have a long way to Skyscale and those will be a big help on the way. Griffon is easy if you have the gold. Especially in Dragonfall you will be grateful for that Griffon. How are you with Hot masteries? I don't know how you traverse that map without both.

    Skyscale is the best all-around mount and is great if you predominantly use 1 mount. If you have all the mounts bound to keys and are used to constantly switching between them you will use it much less. For short-medium distances over flat terrain and closed quarters, raptor or jackal. For long distances, beetle or griffon. For engages, bunny or raptor. For vertical climbing and rough terrain, Skyscale. Skyscale just obsolete bunny in that department, it can gain bigger height and is much more precise. It's also nice because you can hover and chill in hostile territory. It's also an annoying mount because you flap those ugly wings across half of the peoples' screen and they can't see anything.
    Beetle and Griffon are also way cooler and races could be a game on it's own.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cuks.8241 said:
    I barely render those slow poke Skyscales when I swoop past them on my Griffon.

    IMO, If you haven't played LS4 yet, go for Griffon and optionally also Beetle first. You have a long way to Skyscale and those will be a big help on the way. Griffon is easy if you have the gold. Especially in Dragonfall you will be grateful for that Griffon. How are you with Hot masteries? I don't know how you traverse that map without both.

    Skyscale is the best all-around mount and is great if you predominantly use 1 mount. If you have all the mounts bound to keys and are used to constantly switching between them you will use it much less. For short-medium distances over flat terrain and closed quarters, raptor or jackal. For long distances, beetle or griffon. For engages, bunny or raptor. For vertical climbing and rough terrain, Skyscale. Skyscale just obsolete bunny in that department, it can gain bigger height and is much more precise. It's also nice because you can hover and chill in hostile territory. It's also an annoying mount because you flap those ugly wings across half of the peoples' screen and they can't see anything.
    Beetle and Griffon are also way cooler and races could be a game on it's own.

    Thanks for your input! :smile:

    Like i said, i'm in no hurry and i might unlock Griffon way before i collect all the stuff for Skyscale. Cause i know it's mostly just collecting stuff and some bounties or whatever....

    Why do HoT masteries matter though? You mentioned them, they aren't related to the question, are they?
    I mean, i have most of HoT masteries, Glider fully unlocked, and just 4 masteries missing. Can't be bothered to do mastery points right now but they're all trained.
    In PoF, i unlocked Beetle today, but other than that, and the missing mount masteries, i have all of them (minus the diving skimmer one which is not a priority right now).
    So i'm good when it comes to mastery unlocks, mastery rank 192. The most important ones are unlocked, the rest is just flavour.

    So, i'm making like, 10g a day from fractals, plus, other sources, so, getting Griffon is just a matter of time really. I could probably unlock it right now if i wanted, but i don't want to drop below a certain gold amount so that's just me. But i have the gold for it, that's not the issue.

    And i'm in Jahai Bluffs now, so Skyscale won't even be started for another few days at least. And when i do start it, the time gates will give me time to work on the Griffon masteries. So, depending on my willingness to spend gold on it at once, i might actually unlock it before Skyscale after all. :tongue:

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2021

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Why do HoT masteries matter though? You mentioned them, they aren't related to the question, are they?

    Last LS4 map Dragonfall is a very vertical map. Griffon is very helpful there if you don't have Skyscale. There is of course just basic gliding but that you have. There are also ley lines you can glide on (ley line gliding mastery) and oakhearth essences (oakhearth's reach mastery). These are far from essential, more just for flavour but can be helpful if you don't have Skyscale or Griffon especially during the meta.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2021

    @Cuks.8241 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:
    Why do HoT masteries matter though? You mentioned them, they aren't related to the question, are they?

    Last LS4 map Dragonfall is a very vertical map. Griffon is very helpful there if you don't have Skyscale. There is of course just basic gliding but that you have. There are also ley lines you can glide on (ley line gliding mastery) and oakhearth essences (oakhearth's reach mastery). These are far from essential, more just for flavour but can be helpful if you don't have Skyscale or Griffon especially during the meta.

    Thanks! I have ley line gliding and Oakheart trained already. So i'll make do with that til i get a flying mount. :smile:
    That's how i farm Bloodstone Fen. That 3rd waypoint, i can't glide directly like it's showed on TacO so i use updrafts and leylines to "correct" my trajectory. :smile:
    Of course, having a griffin or skyscale would make that trivial so i aim to get those to just make my traversing a bit easier and faster. Would cut my farming time in half there.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I prefer the griffon over the skyscale almost anytime. It is quick and the most versatile. It can quickly hop on obstacles and hills and glide from point to point.

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  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    I prefer the griffon over the skyscale almost anytime. It is quick and the most versatile. It can quickly hop on obstacles and hills and glide from point to point.

    Yeah, but with the masteries right? Cause i already flew it a bunch of times when doing eggs collection for the mount, and without any masteries, it's just a glorified glider that can go farther and it loses altitude way more than i expected.

    But the way things are going, i'll have the Griffon way before i get the Skyscale lol, Griffon masteries are basically, go here, do thing, pickup egg and they're easy, it's just the gold cost that's pulling me back, and not because i don't have it, but because i don't want to spend it all at once so it's just me. If i was willing to spend 250 gold now, i'd have the griffon by tomorrow lol.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well, if you call a glorified glider a glider that can jump run and glide -- yes.
    And this ignores the advanced diving manoeuvres that are possible with griff as well.

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  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    Well, if you call a glorified glider a glider that can jump run and glide -- yes.
    And this ignores the advanced diving manoeuvres that are possible with griff as well.

    Yes i was talking about an unmastered griffin. Of course you can do nice things with it mastered but the unmastered griffin just glides farther and faster than a glider.
    Yes it can flap the wings, but that's just basically to prolong the glide. I mean, it's still useful because you can reach farther but it's not "250 gold useful" until you master it i think. Oh, and on land it's not really usefull anyway, there's other land mounts. Raptor for leaps and beetle for just speed.

    Anyway... Is Skyscale the same? Or can it kinda go in a straight line once you're up in the air? Or does it lose altitude fast like the griffon does? Asking about the unmastered Skyscale.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    Well, if you call a glorified glider a glider that can jump run and glide -- yes.
    And this ignores the advanced diving manoeuvres that are possible with griff as well.

    Yes i was talking about an unmastered griffin. Of course you can do nice things with it mastered but the unmastered griffin just glides farther and faster than a glider.
    Yes it can flap the wings, but that's just basically to prolong the glide. I mean, it's still useful because you can reach farther but it's not "250 gold useful" until you master it i think. Oh, and on land it's not really usefull anyway, there's other land mounts. Raptor for leaps and beetle for just speed.

    Anyway... Is Skyscale the same? Or can it kinda go in a straight line once you're up in the air? Or does it lose altitude fast like the griffon does? Asking about the unmastered Skyscale.

    They're different. Skyscale is a bit slower to get on top of things but each has it's unique features. Sometimes skyscale is wonderful because it can grab to cliffs to give you an extra push up. You cannot go wrong with either of them.

    The big advantage of the skyscale is that there are quite some puzzles and open world achievements that requires you to use a skyscale.

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  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    Well, if you call a glorified glider a glider that can jump run and glide -- yes.
    And this ignores the advanced diving manoeuvres that are possible with griff as well.

    Yes i was talking about an unmastered griffin. Of course you can do nice things with it mastered but the unmastered griffin just glides farther and faster than a glider.
    Yes it can flap the wings, but that's just basically to prolong the glide. I mean, it's still useful because you can reach farther but it's not "250 gold useful" until you master it i think. Oh, and on land it's not really usefull anyway, there's other land mounts. Raptor for leaps and beetle for just speed.

    Anyway... Is Skyscale the same? Or can it kinda go in a straight line once you're up in the air? Or does it lose altitude fast like the griffon does? Asking about the unmastered Skyscale.

    They're different. Skyscale is a bit slower to get on top of things but each has it's unique features. Sometimes skyscale is wonderful because it can grab to cliffs to give you an extra push up. You cannot go wrong with either of them.

    The big advantage of the skyscale is that there are quite some puzzles and open world achievements that requires you to use a skyscale.

    Cool! Thanks! :smile:
    And yeah, i'll get them both eventually, i know there's some stuff you can only reach with either a Griffon or a Skyscale.

    I'm at chapter 5 now so it won't be long before i start the Skyscale.
    I did some Griffon collections as well in the meantime.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So i'm at Dragonfall and the story step requires you to feed volatile magic to a skyscale by flying it...
    Skyscale is definitely my no1 priorty now! Controls SO smooth and i can see now what everyone was talking about!
    Griffon can wait. :wink:

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2021

    UPDATE:

    So it indeed turned out that i'll be able to unlock the Griffin way before i unlock Skyscale. :smile:
    I did all the Griffin collections except the gold purchases. So provided i'im willing to drop 250 gold on it, i could have it right now.

    Skyscale is in the "Raising Skyscale" phase. I fed it 2 times, now i have to wait for another daily reset til i can feed it again and proceed to the next part. Already did the toys and treats. It was kinda funny throwing all the treats on him at once lol! If they did a time gate for the feeding, they might as well do the timegate for the treats, but i understand why they did that.

    Anyway... Yeah...

    The answer to the original thread question - Griffon or Skyscale - is YES! :tongue:

  • Tiilimon.6094Tiilimon.6094 Member ✭✭✭

    Saddle is the grindy part ;)

    I also suggest getting griff asap, there's as much point sitting on a pile of gold in MMOs as there is on sitting on a pile of resources in an RTS game, better put em to good use and make more quicker :P

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tiilimon.6094 said:
    Saddle is the grindy part ;)

    I also suggest getting griff asap, there's as much point sitting on a pile of gold in MMOs as there is on sitting on a pile of resources in an RTS game, better put em to good use and make more quicker :P

    I guess... That's what i'm trying to tell myself hahaha, but idk, i was never good at making gold so i'm afraid that if i drop below this, i'm never getting it back hahahah!

    Call me paranoid. :tongue:

    But yeah, a griffon would come in handy if nothing else, in Dragonfall so i can fly around following the group, they all, especially commanders, just fly up on their griffons and skyscales and just leave the rest of us plebs behind, it's kind of annoying. And i need to farm that map for its currency for Skyscale.

  • Hesione.9412Hesione.9412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Tiilimon.6094 said:
    Saddle is the grindy part ;)

    I also suggest getting griff asap, there's as much point sitting on a pile of gold in MMOs as there is on sitting on a pile of resources in an RTS game, better put em to good use and make more quicker :P

    I guess... That's what i'm trying to tell myself hahaha, but idk, i was never good at making gold so i'm afraid that if i drop below this, i'm never getting it back hahahah!

    Call me paranoid. :tongue:

    But yeah, a griffon would come in handy if nothing else, in Dragonfall so i can fly around following the group, they all, especially commanders, just fly up on their griffons and skyscales and just leave the rest of us plebs behind, it's kind of annoying. And i need to farm that map for its currency for Skyscale.

    You are really going to love the griffon in Drizzlewood. That's how we get to the champs so quick - all the parachute drops are perfect for the griffon.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hesione.9412 said:

    @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Tiilimon.6094 said:
    Saddle is the grindy part ;)

    I also suggest getting griff asap, there's as much point sitting on a pile of gold in MMOs as there is on sitting on a pile of resources in an RTS game, better put em to good use and make more quicker :P

    I guess... That's what i'm trying to tell myself hahaha, but idk, i was never good at making gold so i'm afraid that if i drop below this, i'm never getting it back hahahah!

    Call me paranoid. :tongue:

    But yeah, a griffon would come in handy if nothing else, in Dragonfall so i can fly around following the group, they all, especially commanders, just fly up on their griffons and skyscales and just leave the rest of us plebs behind, it's kind of annoying. And i need to farm that map for its currency for Skyscale.

    You are really going to love the griffon in Drizzlewood. That's how we get to the champs so quick - all the parachute drops are perfect for the griffon.

    Nice! I don't have all the Icebrood saga episodes though, so i'll wait til i buy the missing ones before i continue that story. I'll probably be late to the party, but whatever, i'm sure the maps will be played enough. Even PoF was sufficiently populated so i could do the griffon events more or less easily, and that content is now really old.

  • Both Mounts have their usefulness. Skyscale is better for long distance 'Gliding' and can get more altitude by clinging to a surface and jumping, whereas the Griffon can dive for speed and reclimb to get altitude again.

    Skyscale really is more general purpose and useful, but if speed really is needed then the Griffon works best. That and Griffon Diving for speed leads to some really fun flying.

    Consider Skyscale your 'legendary' mount and your Griffon as your 'ascended' mount (I'd throw the roller beetle in there as well as an ascended mount for how quick it is on land).

    All things considered each mount has its usefulness where they shine, and you should get all of them eventually.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Both Mounts have their usefulness. Skyscale is better for long distance 'Gliding' and can get more altitude by clinging to a surface and jumping, whereas the Griffon can dive for speed and reclimb to get altitude again.

    Skyscale really is more general purpose and useful, but if speed really is needed then the Griffon works best. That and Griffon Diving for speed leads to some really fun flying.

    Consider Skyscale your 'legendary' mount and your Griffon as your 'ascended' mount (I'd throw the roller beetle in there as well as an ascended mount for how quick it is on land).

    All things considered each mount has its usefulness where they shine, and you should get all of them eventually.

    Nice! :smile: I'll end up getting all of them now and yeah, each mount has its uses. The most useful to me i think has been the Bunny! It's amazing how such an "early" mount will still be relevant later. Speaks volumes on the great design of the mounts! I mean, even when i had the borrowed skyscale mount in Dragonfall, i still used the Springer a lot of the times. The least one i use is the jackal but only because it's so specific that i don't know where to use it instead of just using the Raptor. Unless there's a sand portal, Raptor is almost always better. Jackal is basically reduced to "a thing you use to enter portals", and there's not many of those around. I wish they could implement more uses for it, some sand roads like in PoF, those are amazing, running on sand so high up! But criminally underused.

    I already got the beetle and i'ts literally amazing how fast i can get to places with it! Sometimes i drift wrong and end up splat in a wall or off a cliff but that's the fun of it. :tongue: In more flat maps, it's THE mount to use! Amazing mount! I ended up using it more than i thought i would. I thought i'd get it for completion sake, but now it's my go to mount!

    Plus, i know i'll use other mounts as well when i get the griffon and skycale. Probably less, but they did make sure that the flying ones won't invalidate the ground ones and that's admirable.

  • @Veprovina.4876 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Both Mounts have their usefulness. Skyscale is better for long distance 'Gliding' and can get more altitude by clinging to a surface and jumping, whereas the Griffon can dive for speed and reclimb to get altitude again.

    Skyscale really is more general purpose and useful, but if speed really is needed then the Griffon works best. That and Griffon Diving for speed leads to some really fun flying.

    Consider Skyscale your 'legendary' mount and your Griffon as your 'ascended' mount (I'd throw the roller beetle in there as well as an ascended mount for how quick it is on land).

    All things considered each mount has its usefulness where they shine, and you should get all of them eventually.

    Nice! :smile: I'll end up getting all of them now and yeah, each mount has its uses. The most useful to me i think has been the Bunny! It's amazing how such an "early" mount will still be relevant later. Speaks volumes on the great design of the mounts! I mean, even when i had the borrowed skyscale mount in Dragonfall, i still used the Springer a lot of the times. The least one i use is the jackal but only because it's so specific that i don't know where to use it instead of just using the Raptor. Unless there's a sand portal, Raptor is almost always better. Jackal is basically reduced to "a thing you use to enter portals", and there's not many of those around. I wish they could implement more uses for it, some sand roads like in PoF, those are amazing, running on sand so high up! But criminally underused.

    I already got the beetle and i'ts literally amazing how fast i can get to places with it! Sometimes i drift wrong and end up splat in a wall or off a cliff but that's the fun of it. :tongue: In more flat maps, it's THE mount to use! Amazing mount! I ended up using it more than i thought i would. I thought i'd get it for completion sake, but now it's my go to mount!

    Plus, i know i'll use other mounts as well when i get the griffon and skycale. Probably less, but they did make sure that the flying ones won't invalidate the ground ones and that's admirable.

    Jackal really is the least useful mount. Raptor is useful when you have gaps to go over, or lots of flat land with obstacles. Skimmer for bodies of water. Beetle for vroom vroom. Bunny can still scale heights faster than Skyscale, Griffon for vroom vroom in the air. However, Skyscale is all around useful everywhere.

  • I'd say get them both in due time, and figure out which one you like best. None of them, in my opinion, is superior to the other.
    I think the griffon is more suited as an aerial mount, as I want to be able to fly to cover long distances quickly. When the Skyscale runs out of stamina (which it will if you try to keep your altitude), it goes down just like the griffon - but with way less forward momentum. And the small gains in altitude on short distances can almost always be achieved with a springer, too.
    In short, the scale to me feels like a swiss army knife of mounts - longer "jumps" than a raptor, decent maneuverability, sufficient speed bursts especially with the masteries... really handy, yet sometimes you just want the perfect tool for a specific job.
    But, MacGyver wasn't famous for his giant toolbelt... So pick your favorite :)

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solstice.5790 said:
    I'd say get them both in due time, and figure out which one you like best. None of them, in my opinion, is superior to the other.
    I think the griffon is more suited as an aerial mount, as I want to be able to fly to cover long distances quickly. When the Skyscale runs out of stamina (which it will if you try to keep your altitude), it goes down just like the griffon - but with way less forward momentum. And the small gains in altitude on short distances can almost always be achieved with a springer, too.
    In short, the scale to me feels like a swiss army knife of mounts - longer "jumps" than a raptor, decent maneuverability, sufficient speed bursts especially with the masteries... really handy, yet sometimes you just want the perfect tool for a specific job.
    But, MacGyver wasn't famous for his giant toolbelt... So pick your favorite :)

    Yeah, i'm gonna get them both. :smile:
    If i drop 250g on the priced gw2 collections i could unlock the library, do that and get the griffon today. Skyscale still has 1 timegate, and the grindy saddle part after, so... Idk, might be useful to have a griffon in the meantime, but then again, i'm currently thinking about what to do with my money, i don't want to drop too low as i might not be able to do some stuff for a while if i get the griffon now.