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The toxicity is crazy
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I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.
The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.
Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.
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What server are you on?
I suggest to just block your server mate and report for Verbal Abuse. I run with a squad that do not tolerate this kind of BM (bad manners). Most servers on lower tiers are like this, I observerd. They are so stressed they can't climb up the ladder so they resort to unsportsmanlike behaviours.
The group was from Ring of Fire, I´m from FSP. They run around with a guild group, kill people and just the 3 of them start jumping and griefing. It´s insane that any group that plays together actively shows this toxic behaviour and everyone is on board with it.
Let them think they are cool for now. I bet they won't be laughing anymore once their account got deleted if they continue with that kind of behavior.
smh that is pretty sad. Idk what it is with stealthers that attracts this type of people.
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The most consistent thief trash talking I've seen people report comes from the SA guild. Don't remember their base of operation doe. But yeah, I got several screenshots of me getting verbally abused by another thief too . I simply don't give them attention and move on.
It's sad how people get addicted over a game and try to score kills and play as amazingly as possible just because they want to prove some type of superiority. Just take your kills, shut up and respect your enemies.
I for one had an amazing and long fight with a Holo nader (on core warrior) and when I defeated them, I bowed and told them thank you, I've never had so much fun in a 1v1 before. You don't even care about losing.
As for rangers and thieves, their builds represent them. Permastealth, sic em soulbeasts etc. Means of securing easy and fast kills, but when your target them and start ganking they get salty.
block button will be your best friend... and some ganker guilds like one that has been named yet will do kinda things. thieves tend to horribly overestimate themselves.
some try to gank once they lose battles. some try ganking straight on, and especially those triple-server roamerguilds have a thing for this... i don'T remember who this was, but i learnt that very early. me as noobwarrior gone and looked what the three thieves with same guild banner did, standing and watching each other - suddenly two of them ganked me. well, you figure out what this was.
about thieves or other roamers... i don't really want to prejudicate, but the guild name sometimes suggests what they're up to. like "we are behind your back", "satan is my idol" "systeamtic abuse" "gank squad" and a billion more that i forgot yet. some have a ton of different guild tags to hide their identity or make it seem as if it wasn't the same player.
some even create guild names to insult people from other guilds or servers.
@Grand Marshal.4098 as a groupfighter running only zergsets, i don't see the people directly that i fight (limited models + standard models)... in the heated up blobfights or zergVSblob u don#t have time to do stuff like "bow"... and not every server has gvg possibility anymore. (mine hasn't even a gvg guild anymore afaik)
i'd never message anyone some salty things, i think that's just poor sportsmanship, while i feel the urge to do that on ganker groups surely. in reality, those are often avoidable tho. sometimes only the people respawning with you should just make a quick stand and farm them. sadly not everyone seems to be confident to do that or just afk autoruns, no idea... to be honest, if we're only two and five thieves demount one, the other should just run fast while the first should try to cc + bomb, so they cannot keep their chase up.
kills are surely a part of skill. in groups it is positioning, cooldown management, correct dodges, and kiting while dropping damage or heals (with the tag if possible, but u need also to be able to react, if he gets pulled or focused, no matter what some people may say. good tags are crazy hard to kill anyways)
toxicity... idk, people are just bored i guess. it's mostly not too bad, and IF somebody "trash talks" you, just block him. don't try to argue too much, it just makes u moody/angry or upset. no need for that. we're not in the kindergarten.
@Ashantara.8731 still, i think the f2p has its good sides as well. if it wasn't free to try i'd not have started any MMO i feel, because i really dislike WoWs moneyscam system.
i started 3 years ago, when i had one hand pierced and unusable. couldn't do sport nor hold a controller, so i'd gave it a try. played my first warrior like 20-30 levels with only right hand thaha. after one month i got accidently into wvw, and most people been still nice. there was a deadeye always going mad on everyone bc he wanted to hold NC on alpine at every cost.. but i still never found the game's overall behaviour as "very toxic" or so.
some people may feel more toxic if they have different levels of insight (in terms of the worth of holding or just abandoning objectives... as newbie i was upset a bit if we lost objectives, bc i didn't fully understand how wvw really works)
I have no problem with someone killing me, jumping on me or throwing siege weapons. It is enough for ArenaNet to pop up a window asking if I want to receive a message from someone on another server. It would be enough if there was no physical possibility of writing between servers without permission. Not having this option is quite a disrespect for people who want to play with culture.
I never get whispers but hear the ping sound for whispers constantly. Can these people even whisper me?
yeah they can whisper you. idk how but some1 whispered me and i was first confused bc i didn't know the name. then realized it was that one enemy ... they can also invite you to their party or squad thaha. u can read their squad or partychat then even. maybe even share participation, not sure.
Just out of curiosity, when you drop a siege to a dead mesmer inside a keep, castle or tower, does it make harder for an ally thief to revive the mesmer?
if your attack / 1 alternate key is on "f" for reviving, then yes. (it is kinda symbolizing a grave, some see it as disrespect... but what it effectively does, it blocks out the dead persons sight a bit)
I hope I wrote it clearly. The only problem is that it is possible to get a message or even an email with annoying content. The option to confirm that I want to receive content from someone from another server would be enough. Blocking people is like fighting windmills.
I get random whispers from enemy players only when I play on my ranger, thus, confirming this class is widely hated. lol
Does that actually happen though? I was under the impression that no one gets banned for anything in this game...
It does happen. I know someone who got suspended because of verbal abuse.
Thanks for the response.
I only drop siege to dead enemies for this purpose, although thieves also have a portal skill now so this maybe less effective as it was before.
The way to dm other servers' folk is by adding them to your block list and then iirc unblocking them to dm them directly from that list. I haven't tried it cause ion care, but that's a way of doing it according to my guildies.
This is correct. You are able to see the players account name and can then add them as a friend. Allowing you to direct message enemy’s. You can ALSO add them to your party... careful with that.
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And it also prevents them from responding so you can rage away from a safe space.
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Lol I was once invited in a cross-server party in EB, but that was for duels and fun.
Ah and when a thief trashtalked me for "evading his fights" (I was zerging with a group) they formed a squad and invited me a couple of times lol.
Oh, good then! I wasn't aware Anet monitors this stuff. Good to know they do.
The only correct answer is to throw siege on them back.
Also just take a 10 minute break and grab a snack; most of their ilk doesn't have the attention span and they'll be yelling into a wall. Then, ideally grab some friends and kite them back into your biggest group you can find and siege them again. Have someone (probably you) pretend to be afk.
If you don't have friends, tell people that there are gankers harassing said area so you can attract all the roamers to perform a hit on them.
Also, any whispers should be answered with "Who is this? You have the wrong account; I was in PvE" regardless of what they say.
Or. Just block them. No reason to even listen.
I'd normally just ignore them but that was a great chance to point how bad they are and much worse they are than they need to be. They could have been working on their game together but one of them has to spend time not doing anything so the other can get however many kills along with however many deaths. They aren't even getting a good enough kill rate to fill bags and they're not dominating so that's pretty sad.
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They were doing their own business, why didn't you just ignore them and move on to another target?
I know some will say WvW is a competitive mode and everything is valid but there is something called "etiquette", if you see 2 enemies fight in a duel, you let them be. I would be pissed too if I were trying to play with my friends and someone else butt in.
They were not dueling? They attacked me while I WAS DUELING SOMEONE ELSE.
They were literally doing the thing you´re accusing me of and still bm´ing me.
Poor luck, I'd say. I find WvW is generally low toxicity, as far as competitive games go.
A couple of nights ago I fought a condi core engi that did a pretty good job with a not so great build. So I whispered him just to tell him respect on the build. He was totally polite, despite me ganking him in the middle of a fight he was holding his own in. He gets it. Just helping the team. No need for salt.
Can confirm that Anet's CS doesn't do anything towards the toxicity that breeds in PvP (which is magnitudes times worse than anything I've encountered in WvW).
Personally i've never encountered toxicity in WvW. That's why i love it so much. Everyone on my server is pretty chill and just having fun.
But yeah, i've heard that PvP is a whole dfferent can of worms lol. Not sure why Anet would disregard it though, PvP should be something that gets increased attention for harrasement due to its nature as highly competitive.
Yet one more problem that would be solved if Alliance was ever to become a thing, since guilds would have to be on the same server/side for WvW. No more guildies on different servers, and a bit harder to get spies in.
This is the correct answer.
I get corpse jumped and siege buried 95% of my deaths and I very seldom do it to others. Once upon a time when I was younger, I did.
My point is that even if you almost never bm people, you're still going to have it done to you. And often times the harder you are to kill, the more likely that bm.
Or you can ignore what they've done to you, and either they lay off seeing that it isn't bothering you, or it aggravates them further because they're not getting attention.
Some people can't be reasoned with once they're mad. If they're sending angry whispers and you can't talk it out, block. If they're literally stalking you between servers because they have guildys/friends on both servers like mentioned in the OP, I don't really have a suggestion for that other than taking a break. Unfortunately, unless you have friends of your own willing to fight back and to turn a salty loser in to a someone with a grudge, your only option is to step away for a while.
In my experience, the best way to deal with someone who's mad is to talk it out with them. If they don't message me, the best way is to show them I'm not upset with their siege burial/corpse jumping by not doing it to them if I kill them.
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If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.
Oh sorry, I actually think being rage whispered is funny because it usually means you did something right. xD I almost always share it with everyone. I never BM anyone out of the blue, but I do play along. WvW is pretty chill and tbh I've seen more toxicity in pve-- Gw2 overall is quite peaceful compared to say Blizzard games.
And yes, no point in putting effort in replying rationally. It's funnier if you add some nonsense because then it puts the ball back in their court and forces them to use their brain a little. Ironically, this sometimes deescalates the situation, mainly because we all realize how stupid it is.
But yes, it's generally not too good to think about it too much and just block. And I have a really lame playstyle myself, so I can't really complain too much I guess.
Usually? Was it ever not something you did right?
My favorite ones are the [90% of the times whispering thieves] players that are pretty kitten good or bring a very good build, the type of player that anyone have a problem 1v1 against and you basicly need 2+v1 to confidently beat... and then they go on a whisper tirade about how everyone is a noob and you need others to beat them and all the insults under the moon, etc.
Absolutely zero perspective and respect for their own skills. That just makes us have zero respect for them and every following encounter we will do our utmost to CC them to death with overwhelming numbers.
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Funny thing, cause you weren't roaming but just ganking duelers at duel spot
If you jump on dueler and interrupt fights what do you expect, we gonna be happy?
Our guildmate got u in 1v1 then you ganked him, sieged and jumped, that's where everything started.
Why you wont say a thing about trying to gank him later for nearly 1.5h and being mad?
Oh, I usually don't do things right; maybe less wrong than them. xD
I think a lot of the medium classes are prone to that because you can build them to evade dying, so when they actually do die, they get really mad. Although target painters will make things go downhill really fast.
And as for your conclusion, that's actually what I think too in the end for bm players but you phrased it better.
No, there's really not. I'm perceptive enough to know when I'm doing/have done something that deserves being corpse jumped/siege buried. I often play Engi and yank people with Magnet in zergs. If someone kills me later and bm's me for doing that, I understand. I'm usually pretty annoying on my Engi.
Most times I get bm'd just for existing though, so I can totally believe Yama saying that he gets sieged for no reason.
Again, I think a lot of the time it's about how hard you are to kill. Some people get mad when you give them a hard time and want to celebrate if they manage to kill you by rubbing salt in the wound.
GW2 and DC Universe Online are the only MMO's I've played, so I can't really speak for other games. I know GW2 is generally pretty tame, but I also have a folder of angry whispers, and get at least one near daily.
I do think WvW is better than PvP in terms of salt, but I also think it's because most people are too lazy to whisper. If it was as easy as typing something in /say, I'll bet it'd be worse than PvP.
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Yea screw PvP lol; it seems up there with the mobas when it comes to toxic stuff.
I run sneak and S on engi, so that can be pretty annoying for people.
Please talk for yourself. I never trashtalk people nor tbag them yet i have been trashtalked countless times as a thief and even reported for simply existing or (OMG HOW DARE I) when running away from outnumbered situation. Funny enough when i play other classes nobody does it to me however i get to see how extremely toxic the squads are to the thieves that join them or just pass by, even if those thieves actually try to help and work as recon. Toxic people will be always toxic, no matter what class they play.
I have been playing this game pretty much since launch, surely it is common for pvp similar environment to be toxic BUT WvW community in this game actually got worse over the years. In vanilla people worked together despite the class. Now people just trashtalk (for the lack of better pc word) anyone who doesn't fit their agenda (aka play zerg meta). It feels like it has become some kind of sport - who can trashtalk a thief more. You guys seriously should look at yourself before you just label every thief player as toxic waste.
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Stalking people between servers/chasing specific people across maps/trash talking players when performed repeatedly is harassment should be reported to Anet, who have the means to deal with the problem.
Acceptable toxicity ends with all possible actions of the character like jumping, running after someone and similar behavior. The problem comes with rude messages that players may send between someone from another server. All this ritual of blocking and adding to friend to offend someone. Doesn't that sound like a joke? You have to make it clear that the best solution is to separate what's in the game from what's in someone's head. So that from someone who is having a bad day to someone who does it for fun, he sends rude messages that are not an excuse for someone else's playing.
Please refer to the topic I posted. "No option to ask to get the message."
This is just normal bevaviour. Try to insult or annoy your enemy and they are keen to make mistakes.. Nothing wrong with it..
This is not natural behavior. Unless you like someone writing about you ***** or ***** just because you play the game. These are just stars for illustration. Blocking upon receipt will not prevent you from having to see the message. A simple question whether I want a message from one or another person solves the problem. And talk about toxic running or jumping on someone else as a hobby. Because it's part of the game. But forcing them to accept rude messages is always a problem that I believe someone will fix. Unfortunately, to this day, a nasty element of the game that even works like underdeveloped. At the moment, it is a relic of the times where no one talked about cultural behavior.
I guess the whole ‘sticks and stones’ saying just doesn’t come through...
I take it you’ve never been left to ‘bleed’ out.
I also don’t know why you posted this in the WvW section. This is a game mechanic.
PvE players can do the SAME THING.
It’s not a WvW issue. Plus, you’d likely get a much more receptive audience for it.
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Anet could add achievement that would tell how many player have blocked you.
Low quality trolling since launch
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Its just how the game is managed. When you promote illogical system with terrible competitive balancing, you end up with only emotional people around. Fix linking system, claim buff, siege balance etc. Not hard.
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If it's red, it's dead. There is no other rule in WvW. Now, if you're like me, you have your own rules for yourself. For instance, I won't usually attack <bronze rank players unless they outnumber me or they initiate. But that's just my own personal rule. I can't expect others to adhere to it. So when I'm running with my low rank friends and they get targeted first, I simply assume it's a strategy to win the fight. What's to be upset about?
I figure everyone has these little rules for themselves. Just don't forget the One rule: If it's red, it's dead. You don't have to kill on sight, but when another player kills you in WvW, they were just doing what they were supposed to do.
I think ArenaNet should bring back Dhuum ban and apply penalties to unsportsmanlike conduct in PvP modes and WvW. This kind of conduct prevents other players' enjoyment of the game and should be discouraged. In addition good conduct needs to be reinforced and better rewarded in order to train players to avoid toxicity.
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Yes because we are what? Dogs? Cmon now.
Dhuum bans? Yes for hacking.
‘Unsportsmanlike behavior’? Really?
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