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  • Ganz.3917Ganz.3917 Member ✭✭

    @Galmac.4680 said:
    If annoyed I reply with fun facts until my opponent gives up. That means I quote random facts like:
    1. Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated.
    2. No number from 1 to 999 includes the letter “a” in its word form.
    3. Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen-year-old cousin.
    4. Jupiter is twice as large as all the other planets combined.
    5. The Super Soaker was designed and invented by a NASA engineer.
    6. Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down.
    7. Salt used to be a currency.
    8. Alaska is the only state whose name is on one row on a keyboard.
    9. There are only four words in the English language which end in “dous”: tremendous, horrendous, stupendous, and hazardous.
    10. There are 32 muscles in a cat’s ear.
    11. ...

    So, did you know that a "Poronkusema" is the distance a rendeer can walk without peeing? It is about 7.5km.

    Don't forget one of my favorites:
    Using English spelling there is only one number that has the same number of letters as the number it represents and that is 'four'.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:
    Poor luck, I'd say. I find WvW is generally low toxicity, as far as competitive games go.

    A couple of nights ago I fought a condi core engi that did a pretty good job with a not so great build. So I whispered him just to tell him respect on the build. He was totally polite, despite me ganking him in the middle of a fight he was holding his own in. He gets it. Just helping the team. No need for salt.

    I might enjoy WvW if I had experiences like this. Instead, almost all of my experiences have been the polar opposite.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Remove stealth. Problem solved. You're welcome.

    Gief moneyz, top tier game design.

    This post contains my opinion.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:
    Poor luck, I'd say. I find WvW is generally low toxicity, as far as competitive games go.

    A couple of nights ago I fought a condi core engi that did a pretty good job with a not so great build. So I whispered him just to tell him respect on the build. He was totally polite, despite me ganking him in the middle of a fight he was holding his own in. He gets it. Just helping the team. No need for salt.

    I might enjoy WvW if I had experiences like this. Instead, almost all of my experiences have been the polar opposite.

    Well, you may also note I initiated this love-fest. I am under no illusions that most other players I meet have the same mindset. However, people tend to give back what they get from you. Most of the time, ignoring the salt, the taunting, the trash talk and surprising them by being polite will turn most situations around. For the rest? So what? I can block if you're truly obnoxious, but it almost never comes to that for me.

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021

    @Threather.9354 said:
    Its just how the game is managed. When you promote illogical system with terrible competitive balancing, you end up with only emotional people around. Fix linking system, claim buff, siege balance etc. Not hard.

    ^^^This

    Which is why it's very important to have a stable road map to keep this game mode going in the right direction.

    I want competitive tournaments that are healthy to participate in.

    It's not easy to accomplish, but it's totally possible...imho

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.

    Yours truly,
    Diku

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    I think ArenaNet should bring back Dhuum ban and apply penalties to unsportsmanlike conduct in PvP modes and WvW. This kind of conduct prevents other players' enjoyment of the game and should be discouraged. In addition good conduct needs to be reinforced and better rewarded in order to train players to avoid toxicity.

    Given the nature of most of the complaints I see regarding toxicity, this might hurt more than it helps. It's almost always the same story: "I was just minding my business all innocent-like. This other guy comes up and breaks a rule that is only a rule in my head. The disrespect!" A sequence of events usually follows where the "victim" signals their intention to pursue a personal conflict (which is justified by the fact that you are a rule-breaker - You started it!). Being in the right from the outset, everything you now do in retaliation to the victim is added to the list of your transgressions.

    Meanwhile, those of us who play under the Red Rule just shrug when we're fighting a 1v1 and 5 enemy players focus us down and then celebrate with a jumping and siege-tossing party over our corpses. We never bother to take that step to make it personal simply because of some perceived breach of etiquette.

    If you give people vague rules like "Play nice!" all you do is feed the problem because everybody is going to draw their own line in the sand with regard to what constitutes a breach of etiquette. It increases toxicity because the hall monitors among us will actively seek out ways to punish perceived infractions, thereby inviting unnecessary conflict.

    Isn't it enough to just use the report/block features for people who take it too far and just grow a thicker skin for the small stuff?

    >
    Actually, excess of celebration in a real life situation is considered an offense and unsportsmanlike, you are just making an hyperbolic fallacy in order to make your point look valid but it's just an exaggeration of what would happen.

  • @Junkpile.7439 said:
    Anet could add achievement that would tell how many player have blocked you. B)

    If you are on TC or DB then you know it is an achievement in itself to get blocked by Monkey.
    Instant iggy! lol B)

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Touchme.1097 said:

    @AliamRationem.5172 said:

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    I think ArenaNet should bring back Dhuum ban and apply penalties to unsportsmanlike conduct in PvP modes and WvW. This kind of conduct prevents other players' enjoyment of the game and should be discouraged. In addition good conduct needs to be reinforced and better rewarded in order to train players to avoid toxicity.

    Given the nature of most of the complaints I see regarding toxicity, this might hurt more than it helps. It's almost always the same story: "I was just minding my business all innocent-like. This other guy comes up and breaks a rule that is only a rule in my head. The disrespect!" A sequence of events usually follows where the "victim" signals their intention to pursue a personal conflict (which is justified by the fact that you are a rule-breaker - You started it!). Being in the right from the outset, everything you now do in retaliation to the victim is added to the list of your transgressions.

    Meanwhile, those of us who play under the Red Rule just shrug when we're fighting a 1v1 and 5 enemy players focus us down and then celebrate with a jumping and siege-tossing party over our corpses. We never bother to take that step to make it personal simply because of some perceived breach of etiquette.

    If you give people vague rules like "Play nice!" all you do is feed the problem because everybody is going to draw their own line in the sand with regard to what constitutes a breach of etiquette. It increases toxicity because the hall monitors among us will actively seek out ways to punish perceived infractions, thereby inviting unnecessary conflict.

    Isn't it enough to just use the report/block features for people who take it too far and just grow a thicker skin for the small stuff?

    >
    Actually, excess of celebration in a real life situation is considered an offense and unsportsmanlike, you are just making an hyperbolic fallacy in order to make your point look valid but it's just an exaggeration of what would happen.

    No. You're wrong, Colonel Sanders. Mama's right.

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Report both of them. Pretty sure this is against the rules. Really sounds like they're mad you bested them. Think of it this way: this person was so bad, they needed someone else's help to deal with you.

    Also I 100% guarantee that other person was on a throw-away account. They're there to spy on the other team. They wouldn't transfer because they'll lose that. For all you know, they could both be the same person.

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021

    @Threather.9354 said:
    Its just how the game is managed. When you promote illogical system with terrible competitive balancing, you end up with only emotional people around. Fix linking system, claim buff, siege balance etc. Not hard.

    Theoretically those people could just transfer to a different server + the best rewards are mostly participation based, and if you're outnumbered, you get a leg up on everyone as far as those rewards are concerned, outnumbered >>> being best server, though the buff is very capricious.

    There's literally no reason to be toxic. Don't justify bad behavior, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    Only 2 of the many available pips/tick come from being top server. you can get up to 10 just for being high rank (3 base + 7 max rank).

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The thing isnt just toxicity (toxic people are everywhere, in real life and in videogames). Its about your attitude towards it. In gw2, block, report or dont report and move on with life. Keep having fun. Toxic people thrive when they get on your nerves. If you dont give them the pleasure, they will get bored easily and leave you alone. At least thats what i do.

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2021

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Threather.9354 said:
    Its just how the game is managed. When you promote illogical system with terrible competitive balancing, you end up with only emotional people around. Fix linking system, claim buff, siege balance etc. Not hard.

    Theoretically those people could just transfer to a different server + the best rewards are mostly participation based, and if you're outnumbered, you get a leg up on everyone as far as those rewards are concerned, outnumbered >>> being best server, though the buff is very capricious.

    There's literally no reason to be toxic. Don't justify bad behavior, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    Only 2 of the many available pips/tick come from being top server. you can get up to 10 just for being high rank (3 base + 7 max rank).

    Issue is that if you remove 9 of the 10 reasons to play the game that are not being toxic, the distribution of toxic people will be more. There are no competitive guilds anymore due to objective balancing and minstrel meta, there are no competitive duelers anymore due to hypermobility and claim buffs and there are no dedicated server communities anymore because relinkings. There are no real blobfights anymore because objectives are too strong statwise instead of requiring brain and time to take, only some open field 1 push fiestas where 1 commander feeds another losing every fight out of 20. There are no scout guilds anymore because siege is useless (shield gens) and defending is completely number reliant.

    There is a reason why there is big lack of commanders and guilds, and it is that the game just isn't interactive or fair anymore. Which is due to bad balancing.

    Overall there is no excuse to be toxic but it is the main reason why people play the game these days. Look at the "fighting" communities, they're full of people who talk openly bad about everyone who isn't part of them like they're 13 year olds. There used to be mature communities and commanders but they just don't exist because the gamemode isn't fair or competitive anymore, just a cashcow for a company.

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  • Whiteout.1975Whiteout.1975 Member ✭✭✭

    @Crackers.9628

    What I got from this situation was another example of how guild ties run deeper than server ties. This situation was probably not one of the more proper ways of exemplifying that. However, this situation helps represent a cluster of other various situations, over the years, as to why I do not immediately consider server mates "teammates," as you stated. Besides that, be toxic back, ignore, block, etc. whatever. I don't care as much as I am sure the next guy/gal here doesn't. This is your situation to deal with, along with being in charge of your own emotions. The best advice I can give is that you will likely find more value in the teammates you choose. As opposed to those provided to you naturally/rotated around through transfers. Goodluck.

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  • @Cynz.9437 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    Because they are.

    Ranger and thieves. They just attract a kind of people.

    Please talk for yourself. I never trashtalk people nor tbag them yet i have been trashtalked countless times as a thief and even reported for simply existing or (OMG HOW DARE I) when running away from outnumbered situation. Funny enough when i play other classes nobody does it to me however i get to see how extremely toxic the squads are to the thieves that join them or just pass by, even if those thieves actually try to help and work as recon. Toxic people will be always toxic, no matter what class they play.
    I have been playing this game pretty much since launch, surely it is common for pvp similar environment to be toxic BUT WvW community in this game actually got worse over the years. In vanilla people worked together despite the class. Now people just trashtalk (for the lack of better pc word) anyone who doesn't fit their agenda (aka play zerg meta). It feels like it has become some kind of sport - who can trashtalk a thief more. You guys seriously should look at yourself before you just label every thief player as toxic waste.

    I literally only play thief

  • Firebeard.1746Firebeard.1746 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Threather.9354 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:

    @Threather.9354 said:
    Its just how the game is managed. When you promote illogical system with terrible competitive balancing, you end up with only emotional people around. Fix linking system, claim buff, siege balance etc. Not hard.

    Theoretically those people could just transfer to a different server + the best rewards are mostly participation based, and if you're outnumbered, you get a leg up on everyone as far as those rewards are concerned, outnumbered >>> being best server, though the buff is very capricious.

    There's literally no reason to be toxic. Don't justify bad behavior, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

    Only 2 of the many available pips/tick come from being top server. you can get up to 10 just for being high rank (3 base + 7 max rank).

    Issue is that if you remove 9 of the 10 reasons to play the game that are not being toxic, the distribution of toxic people will be more. There are no competitive guilds anymore due to objective balancing and minstrel meta, there are no competitive duelers anymore due to hypermobility and claim buffs and there are no dedicated server communities anymore because relinkings. There are no real blobfights anymore because objectives are too strong statwise instead of requiring brain and time to take, only some open field 1 push fiestas where 1 commander feeds another losing every fight out of 20. There are no scout guilds anymore because siege is useless (shield gens) and defending is completely number reliant.

    There is a reason why there is big lack of commanders and guilds, and it is that the game just isn't interactive or fair anymore. Which is due to bad balancing.

    Overall there is no excuse to be toxic but it is the main reason why people play the game these days. Look at the "fighting" communities, they're full of people who talk openly bad about everyone who isn't part of them like they're 13 year olds. There used to be mature communities and commanders but they just don't exist because the gamemode isn't fair or competitive anymore, just a cashcow for a company.

    I still think you're trying too hard to justify bad behavior by adding rhyme and reason. Those aren't real reasons. There are toxic people they will always be there, no matter the game, especially in competitive environments.

  • Just block them for a while. Don't waste time thinking about that. Many times it is your reaction what they are really after.

    Live and let live I say.

  • Noah Salazar.5430Noah Salazar.5430 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2021

    Well as experienced wvw scrapper roamer that can 1vs2-3 or defend gari solo vs 15ppl (i'm pvp rank 1554 solo)

    i'm geting that messages often (i was on gandara server)
    but i don't mind them, i can even say witchout them game wuld not be the same and kinda feel hollow

    All that emotional response making fights with enemy more fun and with more motivation ^^

    i'm against any cenzurship but in same time i understend that not evryone is titlproof or have a mindset of monk

    And for that ppl ther are 3 options :
    1. Go offline mode, making that no one reply to you
    1. Block ppl
    2. off team/map chat if you roam or play solo/with friends

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    eh, throwing siege isn't toxic in the end. pretty kitten tbh. but, well, i'd also rather not do it in most cases, bc i don't even carry siege with me. i'd have to pop a skrimish chest for that, absolutely not worth. technically, i would do it to block their sight tho.

    also, this kinda stuff isn't "sportsmanship"... it'd be if someone ragespams you, but still... sometimes emotions get boiling, sometimes one had a bad day... that isn't banworth, not even sanction-worthy.

    @AliamRationem.5172 lmfao, some old player on our server has even one char named "What Is Red Is Dead" or similar. since we been mostly green for my first year, i didn't even think that this refers just to this very simply, basic principe of the gamemode.

    @Junkpile.7439 that'd just attract superannoying trolls to become more frequent. please no...

  • I will admit I block, compose a message, then unblock an opposing player.

    Difference is I never have sent a toxic email. It’s always “That was an epic fight! I appreciate you and the fun. May my bag have dropped ascended mats. Have an awesome day”

    An 99% of the time we become friends. I have even asked what am I doing wrong because I should be able to counter. And again I end up becoming friends. That’s how to be non toxic. 🥰

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  • I am just toxic that I transfered to a small scale server and now I am merged with DE blobby crapy that never listens to scout reports.

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:
    The thing isnt just toxicity (toxic people are everywhere, in real life and in videogames). Its about your attitude towards it. In gw2, block, report or dont report and move on with life. Keep having fun. Toxic people thrive when they get on your nerves. If you dont give them the pleasure, they will get bored easily and leave you alone. At least thats what i do.

    so i'm toxic? cheers.

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sinfullysweet.4517 said:
    I will admit I block, compose a message, then unblock an opposing player.

    Difference is I never have sent a toxic email. It’s always “That was an epic fight! I appreciate you and the fun. May my bag have dropped ascended mats. Have an awesome day”

    An 99% of the time we become friends. I have even asked what am I doing wrong because I should be able to counter. And again I end up becoming friends. That’s how to be non toxic. 🥰

    That's been my experience as well.

  • @BadBrain.2195 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @BadBrain.2195 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Funny thing, cause you weren't roaming but just ganking duelers at duel spot :)
    If you jump on dueler and interrupt fights what do you expect, we gonna be happy?
    Our guildmate got u in 1v1 then you ganked him, sieged and jumped, that's where everything started.
    Why you wont say a thing about trying to gank him later for nearly 1.5h and being mad?

    For the second time, they were not kitten dueling you kitten. I was dueling someone and they ganked me.

    Jesus christ do me a favour and go away instead of defending these dirt bags.

    Edit: just realized you are this trash. I literally switched maps after 15 mins because you kept griefing everyone. Don't make up any stories.

    Nice behaviour of you I see.
    Calling me trash now..
    No sense of futher discussion, see ya.

    Because your in game behaviour is appalling. No need for discussion.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2021

    Ooooooooooh so OP did something he considers toxic, someone did the same thing back to him and now he's on the forum complaining about people doing toxic stuff that he does himself as well. Great thread, had fun reading all of the 6 relevant posts in it.

  • @Sobx.1758 said:
    Ooooooooooh so OP did something he considers toxic, someone did the same thing back to him and now he's on the forum complaining about people doing toxic stuff that he does himself as well. Great thread, had fun reading all of the 6 relevant posts in it.

    Yeah.... I don't really switch servers to grief my own server mates. Anyway, were you the deadeye from that group?

  • Super Fuzz.4980Super Fuzz.4980 Member ✭✭
    edited February 6, 2021

    Just block people and move on - and appear offline if you have any issues with friending or DM's from enemy players. There are toxic people in all games; just report it if appropriate and don't respond to it emotionally. If people grief you, they generally give up when they don't get a response out of you.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Ooooooooooh so OP did something he considers toxic, someone did the same thing back to him and now he's on the forum complaining about people doing toxic stuff that he does himself as well. Great thread, had fun reading all of the 6 relevant posts in it.

    Yeah.... I don't really switch servers to grief my own server mates. Anyway, were you the deadeye from that group?

    Nah, I'm not, I'm just reading this thread and you seem to be a bit hypocritical here.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ok.., hold on a second here.....

    First you state you were roaming:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Then you state you were dueling:

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @BadBrain.2195 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Funny thing, cause you weren't roaming but just ganking duelers at duel spot :)
    If you jump on dueler and interrupt fights what do you expect, we gonna be happy?
    Our guildmate got u in 1v1 then you ganked him, sieged and jumped, that's where everything started.
    Why you wont say a thing about trying to gank him later for nearly 1.5h and being mad?

    For the second time, they were not kitten dueling you kitten. I was dueling someone and they ganked me.

    Jesus christ do me a favour and go away instead of defending these dirt bags.

    Edit: just realized you are this trash. I literally switched maps after 15 mins because you kept griefing everyone. Don't make up any stories.

    Now I don’t have any skin in the game but it would seem that @BadBrain.2195 has a more likely scenario. Not to say that ‘ganging people at the duel spot’ is wrong, but complaining about retribution is.. well to quote @Sobx.1758 ’hypocritical’

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    Ok.., hold on a second here.....

    First you state you were roaming:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Then you state you were dueling:

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @BadBrain.2195 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Funny thing, cause you weren't roaming but just ganking duelers at duel spot :)
    If you jump on dueler and interrupt fights what do you expect, we gonna be happy?
    Our guildmate got u in 1v1 then you ganked him, sieged and jumped, that's where everything started.
    Why you wont say a thing about trying to gank him later for nearly 1.5h and being mad?

    For the second time, they were not kitten dueling you kitten. I was dueling someone and they ganked me.

    Jesus christ do me a favour and go away instead of defending these dirt bags.

    Edit: just realized you are this trash. I literally switched maps after 15 mins because you kept griefing everyone. Don't make up any stories.

    Now I don’t have any skin in the game but it would seem that @BadBrain.2195 has a more likely scenario. Not to say that ‘ganging people at the duel spot’ is wrong, but complaining about retribution is.. well to quote @Sobx.1758 ’hypocritical’

    1. How do you think I find duels? By roaming?

    2. In the scenario I ganked someone when they were dueling. Which means I attacked someone on the other server. PvP, WvW, is any form of "retribution" warranted against someone attacking an enemy player?

    You people are holding hands above each others head. Just stop sieging people, stop whispering them, etc. No need to come on the forums and make up stories to defend each other.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    Ok.., hold on a second here.....

    First you state you were roaming:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Then you state you were dueling:

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @BadBrain.2195 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Funny thing, cause you weren't roaming but just ganking duelers at duel spot :)
    If you jump on dueler and interrupt fights what do you expect, we gonna be happy?
    Our guildmate got u in 1v1 then you ganked him, sieged and jumped, that's where everything started.
    Why you wont say a thing about trying to gank him later for nearly 1.5h and being mad?

    For the second time, they were not kitten dueling you kitten. I was dueling someone and they ganked me.

    Jesus christ do me a favour and go away instead of defending these dirt bags.

    Edit: just realized you are this trash. I literally switched maps after 15 mins because you kept griefing everyone. Don't make up any stories.

    Now I don’t have any skin in the game but it would seem that @BadBrain.2195 has a more likely scenario. Not to say that ‘ganging people at the duel spot’ is wrong, but complaining about retribution is.. well to quote @Sobx.1758 ’hypocritical’

    1. How do you think I find duels? By roaming?

    2. In the scenario I ganked someone when they were dueling.

    Yes. Which, to hearten back to @AliamRationem.5172 red is dead. That’s fine.

    Which means I attacked someone on the other server. PvP, WvW, is any form of "retribution" warranted against someone attacking an enemy player?

    Again, back to ‘red it’s dead’: you got chased down and killed.

    The part I have an issue with is the complaining that it’s ‘toxic’.

    You people are holding hands above each others head. Just stop sieging people, stop whispering them, etc. No need to come on the forums and make up stories to defend each other.

    Or to come onto the forum and complain about it happening.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So.. now that’s twice you’ve gone to name calling. 🤔

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    So.. now that’s twice you’ve gone to name calling. 🤔

    Being ok with toxic behaviour but instantly offended at the word troll?

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Incorrect on both points.

    Not offended. 🙂

    And it isn’t ‘toxic’ behavior. You ‘ganked’ someone by your own words in your posts,

    And were subsequently chased down and killed.

    While not a game style I would do, it isn’t toxic. You both killed an enemy combatant.

    The difference is you think your attempt was somehow more just and ‘by the rules’ than the other guy.

    Just as a side note: nothing they did is against the TOS.

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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:
    Ok.., hold on a second here.....

    First you state you were roaming:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Then you state you were dueling:

    @Crackers.9628 said:

    @BadBrain.2195 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    I was roaming as thief. Some thief killed me and started jumping and dropped siege on me. Naturally I went back and killed him this time, only for someone on my own server to start trash talking me, calling me kitten, noob, he will transfer to farm me, etc. He has in the same guild as the thief I killed.

    The thief came back, and because my server mate stood on me, the thief could track my stealth and killed me. Then of course more trash talk and dropping siege.

    Of course the toxicity is rampant from other servers, but how are people so awful they literally grief their own teammates? Actively helping enemy server kill your own server.

    Funny thing, cause you weren't roaming but just ganking duelers at duel spot :)
    If you jump on dueler and interrupt fights what do you expect, we gonna be happy?
    Our guildmate got u in 1v1 then you ganked him, sieged and jumped, that's where everything started.
    Why you wont say a thing about trying to gank him later for nearly 1.5h and being mad?

    For the second time, they were not kitten dueling you kitten. I was dueling someone and they ganked me.

    Jesus christ do me a favour and go away instead of defending these dirt bags.

    Edit: just realized you are this trash. I literally switched maps after 15 mins because you kept griefing everyone. Don't make up any stories.

    Now I don’t have any skin in the game but it would seem that @BadBrain.2195 has a more likely scenario. Not to say that ‘ganging people at the duel spot’ is wrong, but complaining about retribution is.. well to quote @Sobx.1758 ’hypocritical’

    1. How do you think I find duels? By roaming?

    2. In the scenario I ganked someone when they were dueling. Which means I attacked someone on the other server. PvP, WvW, is any form of "retribution" warranted against someone attacking an enemy player?

    You people are holding hands above each others head. Just stop sieging people, stop whispering them, etc. No need to come on the forums and make up stories to defend each other.

    Nobody is "holding hands above each others head" here, you might want to stop with your conspiracy theories, because not only I have nothing to do with those players you try to connect me with, but also I've literally never put a siege on anyone (mainly because I don't see the point).
    It seems you want to try and claim you can do whatever you want in wvw, which is fine. But then... you don't want others to do whatever they want? If you interrupt people's duels, you can expect retribution, isn't this just logical? You might think it's unwarranted or unfair, but that doesn't matter. The overal (and well known) consensus is to not interrupt duels in the known dueling areas and if you go against it... Well, don't complain that people treat you like you apparently treat them. If you want to gank people and find fights during roaming then avoid dueling areas, that's all. If you decide to keep interrupting people there, then imo you're the one being the problem here, not people that try to protect them.

    Before you dish out another one of your theories: I'm not even dueling in those areas, I just don't like the concept, but I understand why people enjoy it (not a rocket science). I just don't touch them, because why would I even pretend it's a valuable fight for me? It's not.
    And btw I don't understand why anyone would be so offended by the siege drop (again: I'm never did that, I don't see the point). If you're so worked up by it, just get up and you won't have an opportunity to be so offended by a bunch of pixels. Unless, you know, the point is to actually complain on the forum that people don't behave like you want them to behave while you actively interrupt set up duels in well known designated (by players themselves) dueling areas. At that point you're just willingfully creating your own problems.

  • This discussion is pointless as both of you ignore whatever you want, make up things order to make a point, and shift goal posts continuously to win an argument.

    If I was toxic I would not make this thread. I don't attack people who are dueling. I don't gather a group of guildies to chase down someone spawn after spawn. I don't transfer servers to help my buddies on the other server. I don't whisper people to tell them they are trash.

    I've played 15k hours of dota and trust me, any dota player is used to toxic behaviour. After I opened this topic I got 3 people telling me I'm trash and dropping siege. I don't complain because it's part of the game. However, this group of server hopping griefers are just a level of toxic not experienced before hence why I opened the thread.

    That is the last I will say, since you seem hell bend on making up the rules to somehow paint me as the bad guy. If you want a real discussion stick to what you actually know (hint: nothing) about this situation and don't twist everything I say into a story. 90% of your arguments are completely fabricated.

  • KrHome.1920KrHome.1920 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2021

    I am trashtalking all day to gankers, griefers, duell spectators deciding to kill me after I passed by to not disturb them and so on.

    The game mode is unbalanced,
    some classes promote toxic playstyles,
    multiplayer video games are generally full of failed real life existences looking for a compensation,
    the average age of the players in GW2 (at least in WvW) is fairly young, because the game is cheap.

    One leads to another. If someone has fun to annoy me, I annoy him too. Everything else is just unhealthy for oneself. After telling an idiot, that he is an idiot I am instantly feeling better.

    Feel free to block or report me. You have every right to do so.

    Side Note: Esp. the server the OP is on is well known for gank squads. That irony...

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2021

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    This discussion is pointless as both of you ignore whatever you want, make up things order to make a point, and shift goal posts continuously to win an argument.

    What did I ignore before this claim? How did I "shift goal posts continuously"?
    I don't see it.

    If I was toxic I would not make this thread.

    Well, we can see you instantly start namecalling people in this thread if they dare saying anything you dislike/disagree with. But sure.

    90% of your arguments are completely fabricated.

    Like what? I base what I said on 2 people in this thread: you and the guy you confirmed was the guy opposing you. Notice how all you do in this post is just throw some generalized accusations with no substance at all.

    ...ah and you're the one that change the versions of the story here. First you say "you were roaming and got killed, so you went back and killed him", then you flipped it into "you were dueling and got killed, so then you killed him back in his duel". If anyone makes up the story as the thread goes, it seems to be you tbh.


    You don't want people to trashtalk you? Report and block you. Easly solved.
    You don't want people to drop siege on you? Don't stay on the ground. Solved. (but as a siege-non-dropper I still don't understand what's so triggering in this action, who cares? Why?)
    You don't want people from your own server mysteriously unite against you? Stop interrupting duels. Solved.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    This discussion is pointless as both of you ignore whatever you want, make up things order to make a point, and shift goal posts continuously to win an argument. 90% of your arguments are completely fabricated.

    All I did was quote your posts.....

    How am I making things up?

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Crackers.9628 said:
    This discussion is pointless as both of you ignore whatever you want, make up things order to make a point, and shift goal posts continuously to win an argument. 90% of your arguments are completely fabricated.

    All I did was quote your posts.....

    How am I making things up?

    You literally changed one of my posts you "quoted" into something I did not say.

  • A lot of good points have been made and I guess that we all recognise that it is not a fsp-rof-problem. I would like to turn the attention to a higher level. I guess that the level of toxicity increased because players are bored. It thereby becomes a much bigger problem for anet.

  • Hesione.9412Hesione.9412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sinfullysweet.4517 said:
    I will admit I block, compose a message, then unblock an opposing player.

    Difference is I never have sent a toxic email. It’s always “That was an epic fight! I appreciate you and the fun. May my bag have dropped ascended mats. Have an awesome day”

    An 99% of the time we become friends. I have even asked what am I doing wrong because I should be able to counter. And again I end up becoming friends. That’s how to be non toxic. 🥰

    I did that the other week. Came across a very skilled tempest on the other team. Blocked, then friended, then whispered them "well played". Credit where credit is due. They were superb.

  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yesterday i did meet toxic player. I was trebbing sm while listening audiobook and this one bearbow ranger tried to shoot barrage whole time. Told him stop that or i pause my book and kill him. He was like i have right to defend sm or some low rank player nosense so i stealthed and one hitted him and he was like "you play useless troll build". I then whispered that i block him because elitespec user, toxic and under 6k rank. Then he did go crazy and started to treb tower from sm. :#

    Low quality trolling since launch
    Seafarer's Rest EotM Hero

  • @Naxos.2503 said:
    Yet one more problem that would be solved if Alliance was ever to become a thing, since guilds would have to be on the same server/side for WvW. No more guildies on different servers, and a bit harder to get spies in.

    How would that solve anything when there are players in WvW that own multiple accounts?

  • AliamRationem.5172AliamRationem.5172 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hesione.9412 said:

    @Sinfullysweet.4517 said:
    I will admit I block, compose a message, then unblock an opposing player.

    Difference is I never have sent a toxic email. It’s always “That was an epic fight! I appreciate you and the fun. May my bag have dropped ascended mats. Have an awesome day”

    An 99% of the time we become friends. I have even asked what am I doing wrong because I should be able to counter. And again I end up becoming friends. That’s how to be non toxic. 🥰

    I did that the other week. Came across a very skilled tempest on the other team. Blocked, then friended, then whispered them "well played". Credit where credit is due. They were superb.

    Awesome! I do like the randomness of WvW and 1vx leads to some fun fights even between players of disparate skill levels, but every once in awhile you encounter a stand out player and I will generally take the time to acknowledge that (And who knows? Maybe even get some nice duels in against them!).

  • @Junkpile.7439 said:
    Yesterday i did meet toxic player. I was trebbing sm while listening audiobook and this one bearbow ranger tried to shoot barrage whole time. Told him stop that or i pause my book and kill him. He was like i have right to defend sm or some low rank player nosense so i stealthed and one hitted him and he was like "you play useless troll build". I then whispered that i block him because elitespec user, toxic and under 6k rank. Then he did go crazy and started to treb tower from sm. :#

    Yeah, this is pretty much the toxicity I´m talking about here. Your reaction, not his.