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Kharrus.6015Kharrus.6015 Member ✭✭
edited February 16, 2021 in Professions

Much of the focus for these elite spec ideas is for giving them specific niches to fill, or giving them roles for their class that aren't redundant. I have included descriptions for weapon, class, and skill abilities to give a better idea of what they're supposed to do.

Thief - Bladedancer (Offhand Sword)
New skill type: Stances
Eschewing steal for a melee block that charges their next attack, and focusing on honing their dueling skills, the Bladedancer thief is a dedicated anti-brawler that focuses on superiority of the blade above all else. Stance abilities grant different effects for attacks during the stance duration, allowing the Bladedancer to adapt to any situation they find themselves in.
Sword skills:
-Reflect (with pistol)
Similar to Repost from warrior, but recharges Initiative if not hit by melee, and reflects ranged projectiles.
-Execute (with dagger) large burst damage skill with high cost; does additional damage for foes under 50% health
-Blade Dance (with sword) 8x fast chain attack, with each attack teleporting to the target, similar to Revenant's Unrelenting assault, but without the evade. Deals 8 stacks of vulnerability and bleeding.
-Jab (offhand 4) leap forward 300 distance to inflict damage, activate in a short window again for additional initiative to evade backwards.
-Parry (offhand 5) block briefly for 1.5 seconds; if a block is successful, you can attack with a heavy stab dealing 5 stacks of bleeding and heavy burst damage.
Stances:
-Duellist's renewal: heal yourself over 5 seconds for 33% of damage you deal. 25s cd
-Fencer's agility:: Gain 20s of vigor, 20s of swiftness, and evade all attacks for for 3s. 20s cd (stunbreak)
-Malicious footwork: For 10 seconds, every attack you do deals 2s of torment. 30s cd
-Silent footfalls: Gain delayed stealth after 10 seconds. Every attack you deal within that timeframe gains you one extra second of stealth after shadowstepping back 600 distance from your target in stealth. 35s cd
-Superiority: Gain Gain 10 seconds of quickness. Every melee attack you deal removes a boon, heals you, and gives you a stack of stability for 5 seconds. 90s cd

Warrior - Dragoon (Offhand Pistol)
New skill type: Command
Dragoons have the unique distinction of being trained to use firearms during mounted combat, giving them unparalleled mobility in battle. A dragoon charge can rally or terrify depending on which side of the battlefield it's coming from. Commands are slotted skills able to be used while mounted, taking the form of coordinated attacks with their mounts(command abilities and animations are universal across all mounts. Possibly add ability to use Shouts while mounted).
Offhand Pistol skills:
-Suppressive fire: 6x burst attack, dealing moderate damage and 6 stacks of bleeding, 10s cd
-Rider's Aim: single true damage shot, 2s cd
Commands:
-Healing charge: Your mount rushes with you at your target, healing and consuming up to 5 conditions for additional health.
-Search and rescue (same as ranger skill): Your mount teleports to a downed ally, reviving them every pulse. Your mount becomes immobile during the revival. 30s cd
-Feint: within 600 range, your mount rushes your enemy then evades back, taunting them. 20s cd
-Rally: Gain 2 stacks of might for 20s per allied mount within 1200 range of you (stunbreak) 25s cd
-Rider's Path: gain 5 stacks of stability, and rush an enemy from up to 2000 distance away, knocking aside and damaging enemies without defiance bars along the way. Deal heavy damage to your target, dealing 25% more damage if your mount's health is above 90% when you reach the target 60s cd

Guardian - Monk (Unarmed, all weapon abilities removed)
New skill type: Physical
Abandoning force of arms, the Monk replaces a Guardian's virtues with four martial arts forms: Diving Sparrow, Rending Skelk, Enduring Mountain, and Cleaving Swordfish for underwater. Form swapping shares cooldown with virtues, and act similarly to kits by granting unique 'weapon' skills when activated.
Physical skills:
-Zen Renewal: gain 5 stacks of stability, and heal for a large amount. Consume stacks of might on you for additional healing.
-Crane Kick: rush your enemy and strike them with a vicious upward kick. 10s cd
-Monkey Paw: 6x flurry attack, stealing up to 6 boons from your enemy. 20s cd
-Mantis Grasp: Latch onto your target for 5 seconds on their back, moving with them. Deal damage at the beginning, and 5 stacks of confusion with additional damage at the end.
-Tiger's Ambush: Stealth for 20s. While stalking your foe, you can activate Tiger's Leap to jump from the shadows and knock them down, dealing 10 stacks of bleeding and heavy damage.

Diving Sparrow Skills:
-Diving spike: short range leap and chain skill, allows for good target tracking as long as they're in close range. 0.5s cd
-Chakra block: short fist flurry at melee range, deals cripple and vulnerability. 8s cd
-Swoop: Long range leap, evades, but has minimum range limitation. 6s cd
-Eye Slash: Deal blind and two stacks of bleed at melee range. 3s cd
-Birds of a Feather: You and nearby allies gain 8 seconds of fury, swiftness, and quickness. 25s cd.

Rending Skelk Skills:
-Tooth and Nail: Melee attack two stacks of bleeding if attacking from the front, one stack of torment from the side or behind. 1s cd
-Bite: Summons spectral skelk around your head as you bite at the enemy, leeching health from them. 5s cd
-Tail whip: Rapidly spin, dealing damage to foes around you: 3s cd
-Tail smack: Rapidly spin, knocking foes back. 12s cd
-Regenerate: Pulse heal over time. Additional pulses for every stack of Bite in the last 30s. 30s cd

Enduring Mountain Skills:
-Boulder punch: Slow, heavy damage punch dealing long-lasting vulnerability. 1.5s cd
-Blunt attack: Strike with your palm to deal weakness; gain protection briefly if attacked during cast. 3s cd
-Avalanche: Rush forward, successively knocking back multiple targets. Gain extra stability stacks per additional target. Similar to Surge of the Mists. 35s cd
-Crush: Launch yourself, dealing area of affect damage where you land. 15s cd
-Cliff face: Raise your fits, blocking attacks for the duration. 20s cd

Cleaving Swordfish Skills:
-Impale: thrust the tip of your hand forward, dealing damage. 0.5s cd
-Slice: Cut in front of you, dealing vulnerability and bleeding damage to ever target not behind you. 8s cd
-From the Depths: Surge forward with both hands into a point, knocking your foe back and dealing 5 stacks of vulnerability. 10s cd
-Breach: Rise upwards, then down again to strike your target from above, stunning them briefly. 20s cd
-Blinding scales: Twist in the water, avoiding attacks and inflicting blind on foes around you. 12s cd

Revenant - Tidecaller (Harpoon Gun)
New Legend: Arabella Crowe
Commanding the seas, the Tidecaller is an underwater specialist, focusing on mobility and ranged damage. Legend abilities can be used on land as well, but are enhanced underwater. This would take the form of an effectiveness penalty while on land, that can be removed with a grandmaster spec ability, akin to "eternal champion" removing the toughness penalty Berserkers gain for going Berserk.
Class (F1/F2) abilities:
-All for One: Copy the boons from every player or npc you kill in the last 5 seconds. 15s cd, 30 energy
-One for All: Copy all boons on you to up to 5 allies within a 300 distance radius. 20s cd, 40 energy
Pirate Stance skills:
-Down the Grog: heal for a small amount, dealing confusion to yourself and up to 10 enemies around you. Additional enemies deal additional stacks of confusion. 10s cd, 5 energy
-Batten down the Hatches: Drop a protective field, blocking attacks for 5s. 20s cd, 40 energy
-Walk the Plank: Fear your target for 5s. If the fear is not removed after 5s, deal 20s of chill and a large amount of damage. 15s cd, 30 energy
-Arabella's Rage: Upkeep skill. Pulse retaliation to you and your allies, and deal burning damage to enemies that attack you, and that you attack. -7 energy upkeep
-Broadside: Summon The Kraken's Pride from the mists, dealing a a devastating broadside of cannonfire that deals a massive amount of damage, with an additional 10 stacks of vulnerability and confusion. Costs 50 energy.
Harpoon Gun skills:
-Deadshot: Fire a ghostly harpoon, dealing poison damage for 4s. 1s cd
-Mistfire Volley: 6x burst attack, dealing 1s burning each. 6s cd, 20 energy
-Gold-Driven: Fire a golden harpoon that deals 4s of taunt with 4 stacks of torment. 8s cd, 10 energy
-Fishing line: Shoots out a hook that deals successive stacks of bleeding every 2s, and can be activated again to reel your target back in towards you.
-Drop the Anchor: Summons a ghostly anchor that drags your enemy downwards for 10 seconds, dealing a stack of torment for 10s for every second the anchor is active.

Engineer - Golemancer (Staff)
New skill type: Minion
The creation, research, and wielding of golems has long been the purview of the Asura, who with the creation of the Pact and greater cooperation between races have been more willing to share their technology and expertise, leading to the study and mastery of Golems by Tyria's more erudite individuals outside of their original makers.
Staff Skills:
-Zap: chain-damage skill, attacking up to 4 targets.
-Overshield: Moderate barrier to protect up to 10 allies and golems. 20s cd
-Repair: Small AoE heal for up to 10 allies and golems. 20s cd
-Gamma Pulse: Deal Poison and Torment in a cone in front of you. 30s cd
-Power cage: Refresh Golem skills in a large area. Shock enemies that attempt to cross in or out of the field., and briefly daze targets inside of it. 35s cd

Golem Skills:
-M-Series Golem: This medical golem burst heals targets near it every few seconds, dealing additional healing per unique boon on it.
-T2-Series Golem: This Golem pulls conditions from allies to itself every few seconds, and can rush a nearby enemy to self-destruct, dealing conditions on it to enemies within the blast radius.
-7B-Series Golem: Summon an attack Golem to follow you, doing a whirl attack against enemies, knocking them back and dealing damage.
-K-Series Golem: Summon a large bomb golem that periodically fires projectiles at enemies. Detonate it to deal a large blast that knocks enemies backwards, dealing more damage per boon on it prior to its destruction.
-Omega Golem: Summon a massive siege golem with an a vast amount of health, taunting nearby enemies. Active ability taunts again after firing a rocket fist at the target. Will successively attack targets in melee range, dealing slow but heavy damage, with a stack of vulnerability and weakness being applied.

Toolbelt skills:
-M-Series self-repair: Your golem repairs itself for 3s, putting its healing ability on cooldown.
-T2-Series Radiation Leak: Apply 5 stacks of poison, torment, blind, and weakness to the your golem for 5 seconds, reducing the cooldown of summoning another one after it explodes.
-7B-Series Terms of Service: Your 7B reiterates the terms of service of its original asura designer, taunting up to 5 foes within 600 distance of it and gaining protection for itself and you for 10s.
-K-Series bluff: Your golem acts as if to arm itself to explode, fearing enemies for 1s in a distance of 600 around it.
-Omega Reinforcement: You and up to 10 nearby allies (or golems) gain protection for 20s.

Elementalist - Sage (Conjures)
New skill type: Meditation
The sage is an elementalist that has devoted themselves to the wielding of the elements, not simply their study or mastery over them. Sages can use conjures indefinitely akin to kits, but are penalized with greater attunement cooldowns when swapping off of them, and always swap off to the same type of element as their conjure, gaining related abilities and bonuses to this transition.
Sage Meditation Skills:
-Meditate on Water: Give yourself regeneration for 5s. Heal yourself and up to 10 targets around you affected by regeneration an additional amount, pulsing for up to 10 seconds. 25s cd.
-Meditate on Air: Knock up to 10 targets back from you, dealing an additional 2 stacks of vulnerability to your enemies per target affected by this skill. 60s cd
-Meditate on Earth: Cause an earthquake around you, affecting up to 10 targets with cripple and 5 stacks of bleeding. Give yourself and allies up to 10 stacks of stability for every enemy hit. 40s cd
-Meditate on Fire:: Burn up to 10 targets around you, dealing up to 10 stacks of burning for every enemy affected. Give yourself and allies up to 10 stacks of might for every enemy hit. 50s cd
-Meditation on Chakras: Convert up to 7 conditions on you into boons for 7 seconds. Convert conditions on up to 6 allies into boons as well, reducing the cooldown of this skill by 7 seconds per ally affected. Convert up to 7 boons on nearby enemies into 7 conditions each. 2m cd

Mesmer - Dreamwalker (Dagger)
New skill type: Spectral
Dreamwalkers are wizards who study the sleeping mind and the power of the subconscious. Bringing dreams to reality has long been the purview of visionaries and eccentrics, but the Dreamwalker can quite literally pull their enemy's worst nightmares and greatest fantasies from the recesses of their mind, giving them terrible power over friend and foe alike.
Dagger Skills (Mainhand only)
-Rend Mind: 2s of confusion, light damage. 0.25s cd
-Dredge Memory: 1s fear, does additional damage per condition on foe. 20s cd
-Mental Leap: 1200 range leap ability, daze foe, and deal 1 stack of torment per 100 distance traveled. 20s cd

Spectral skills:
-Lucid Dream: Heal yourself. For 8 seconds, any conditions applied to you are removed and converted into additional healing. 30s cd
-Invasive Thoughts: Confuse your enemy, and convert up to 5 of their boons into confusion. If their confusion stacks are over 20, deal an additional 2.5 seconds of fear. 20s cd
-Wakefulness: Remove all boons and conditions on yourself and your target. You gain a stack of stability for every condition removed from them (breaks stun). 15s cd
-Dream Eater: Consume boons on your target. Every unique boon consumed reduces the cooldown of your phantasm skills by 1s. 12s cd.
-Waking Nightmare: Tear open the veil between reality and the dream realm for 20s; Every enemy inside of the affected area gets its boons converted into torment every 2 seconds, and receives 1 stack of vulnerability every second. Targets with no boons get afflicted with 3 seconds of fear and get dealt damage for every pulse of Waking Nightmare. The Dreamwalker cannot move, cast skills, or be affected by damage, becoming invulnerable but removed from combat for the duration of this cast. 4m cd

Ranger - Huntsman (Rifle)
New skill type: Venoms
The Huntsman is the master tracker, possessed of a keen eye for running down their quarry as well for dispatching it at range. Unique marking abilities allow them to tag both friend and foe alike for persistent benefit or malediction, allowing them to track and support allies at extreme ranges, and tail their enemies across vast distances, or inflict them with deadly venoms to increase their susceptibility to certain conditions.
Rifle Skills:
Huntsmen have a magazine for their rifle special skills, with up to 10 charges before forcing a weapon swap.
-Legshot: deal 4 stacks of bleeding and cripple your enemy for 8 seconds, dealing heavy damage. Does not auto-attack. 5s cd
-Mark Prey: Homing dart that deals 2 stacks of poison, and keeps your target in combat for 60s, with an additional 10s per unique condition on them. 25s cd
-Flare: Clear yourself and nearby allies of up to 5 conditions, but deal 2s of taunt for up to 10 targets within 1200 range of you. Enemies within 300 meters take 3 stacks of burning. 20s cd
-Headshot: knockdown target for 6 seconds at up to 2400 range after channeling for 8 seconds as you crouch, remaining immobile. Deal significant damage and 10 stacks of confusion. 40s cd
-Reload: Refill your rifle's magazine early, putting your weapon skills on a shortened 33% cd.

Venom Skills:
-Kirin Venom: Heal yourself, and an addition 5 times with every attack you deal, consuming stacks of Kirin Venom.
-Nian Venom: Gain Fury and 8 charges of venom. Gain 1 stack of might per attack under this venom., 3 if the target has no boons.
-Mantis Venom: 10 charges. Immobilize your target and deal bleeding damage each time.
-Kappa Venom: 5 charges. Gain protection, and deal 2 stacks of vulnerability to your target,
-Leviathan Venom: 12 charges: Gain stability, with each attack having a follow-up strike that deals weakness.

Necromancer - Wraith (Hammer)
New skill type: Spirit Weapons
Wraiths are necromancers who can shed their material form, roaming the world as invisible ghosts for a period of time, feeding on the life force of their enemies to sustain their ghostly form. Centering around stealth and retaliatory abilities, the Wraith punishes the living for attempts to banish or reveal them, gaining follow up abilities for stunbreaks, and augmenting their Spectral skills even further. Accessing Wraith Shroud means the Necromancer leaves their body behind on the ground, appearing to die as their spirit leaves them, but always snap back to where their body was after running out of life force to sustain wraith shroud. Necromancers stay in stealth while in Wraith Shroud, only becoming visible when attacking or revealed, but have a 0.5-2s cast time where they are visible and vulnerable to targeted skills.
Wraith shroud skills:
-Haunt: 3 part chain attack, first dealing vulnerability and leeching health, second leeching life force and additional vulnerability, and the third dealing 3 stacks of torment with 1 second of fear, dealing damage but not leeching anything. Goes on 3s cd after 3rd attack.
-Shriek: Deal significant amounts of sonic damage, pulsing immobility and confusion for 5 seconds. 25s cd
-Spiritwalk: Use 5% of your total life force to teleport up to 1200 distance away. 10s cd
-Harrow: Mark your target, and gain 5 seconds of superspeed, dealing an additional second of superspeed per condition on your target. Activate again to deal 10% more damage per second of superspeed left on you. 30s cd
-Cross Over: Convert 10% of your own health into life force, extending the duration of Wraith Shroud.

Spirit Weapons:
-Seeking daggers. Summon a pair of daggers that float around you, and can be launched twice at a target from 1200 range.
-Sundering Mace: Summon a mace to follow you, attacking nearby enemies. Activate it to deal a high-damage knockdown that inflicts 5 seconds of chill and 5 stacks of vulnerability.
-Guiding Torch: Summon a ghostly torch to burn your foes, and can drop a large fire field when needed.
-Reaping Scythe: Summon a scythe that relentlessly attacks your foes. Activate it to remove boons from the enemy, dealing additional damage to them, and healing you for every boon removed.

Hammer Skills:
-Crush Spirit: 4-part chain attack, dealing basic true damage on the first swing, damage and vulnerability on the second, damage, two stacks of vulnerability and one stack of torment on the third, and heavy damage, 2 stacks of vulnerability and 2 stacks of torment on the fourth swing. Each swing is 1 second long, with the 4th taking 1.5 seconds to channel.
-Hateful Maul: Deal heavy damage, increased by a percentage of your missing health. 8s cd.
-Spirit Fissure: Briefly tear open a rift into the netherworld, chilling and damaging foes near it before inflicting 1s of fear. Affects up to 10 targets, giving 5% life force per target struck. 25s cd
-Bell Toll: Summon a spectral bell to ring with your hammer, turning up to 3 boons into confusion. 12s cd
-Death Knell: Can only be used at under 25% health. Summon another spectral bell down on your enemy, downing you but dealing your missing health in damage. Affected by ferocity. 60s cd.

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  • sikk demon.2598sikk demon.2598 Member
    edited February 6, 2021

    For the mesmer, i do like the idea of the spectral skills, and dagger mainhand but i think it should be more of a power spec. Power mesmer is kinda lacking right now and i think this could fix it. But mesmer is very dangerous since Anet does not know how to balance it. So if its good, it will be broken, if its bad it will be useless. Note, this is for a pvp/wvw mindset, i know little to nothing about pve.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

  • @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

  • @sikk demon.2598 said:
    For the mesmer, i do like the idea of the spectral skills, and dagger mainhand but i think it should be more of a power spec. Power mesmer is kinda lacking right now and i think this could fix it. But mesmer is very dangerous since Anet does not know how to balance it. So if its good, it will be broken, if its bad it will be useless. Note, this is for a pvp/wvw mindset, i know little to nothing about pve.

    I think power mesmer being lacking is more the fault of Chrono balance being where it is than anything else tbh. In any case, I don't have very much in mind as a central theme for the dreamwalker class, but condi seemed to make a bit more sense than power. Point taken, either way.

  • @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @sikk demon.2598 said:
    For the mesmer, i do like the idea of the spectral skills, and dagger mainhand but i think it should be more of a power spec. Power mesmer is kinda lacking right now and i think this could fix it. But mesmer is very dangerous since Anet does not know how to balance it. So if its good, it will be broken, if its bad it will be useless. Note, this is for a pvp/wvw mindset, i know little to nothing about pve.

    I think power mesmer being lacking is more the fault of Chrono balance being where it is than anything else tbh. In any case, I don't have very much in mind as a central theme for the dreamwalker class, but condi seemed to make a bit more sense than power. Point taken, either way.

    I can see it working, or atleast the dagger main hand. You have some cool ideas that i liked very much!

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

    You'll need some serious citation for that, as dragoons were known to have used rifles from horseback along side pistols which were holstered with a right hand draw. Rifles and pistols would historically be used by the main hand for combat, none of this Hollywood stuff with offhand shooting, good luck hitting anything.

    Being that Anet is unlikely to use a mounted combat system, I would stand by my 'weapon master' comment, it will be both off hand and mainhand.

    This being said... I'm actually glad that you're not another 'staff warrior' speculator! haha. Warrior needs pistol, its going to provide it with the things its been missing for years.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    All those skills on these e-specs are nice but...

    • What do the bladedancer steal?
    • What about the Dragoon in sPvP where there is no mount?
    • Don't you think that 4 kits to replace guardian's virtue after the 3 tome of FB are a bit to much "favoritism"?
    • Tidecaller lack at least a F2.
    • Golemancer lack it's belt skills. A golemancer should probably replace all it's toolbelt skills by a golem, not have a whole lot of different golems as utility skills.
    • Sage shouldn't modify conjure weapon, they are core skills, it would set a precedent that's just... wrong.
    • Do dreamwalker have new shatter? Or is it just a set of optional utility and an off-hand?
    • Huntsman make sense.
    • Wraith feel dangerously OP due to stealth and the basically free movement when leaving shroud. A question worth asking: can you stomp and damage the body that the wraith left?
  • Kharrus.6015Kharrus.6015 Member ✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    All those skills on these e-specs are nice but...

    • What do the bladedancer steal?
    • What about the Dragoon in sPvP where there is no mount?
    • Don't you think that 4 kits to replace guardian's virtue after the 3 tome of FB are a bit to much "favoritism"?
    • Tidecaller lack at least a F2.
    • Golemancer lack it's belt skills. A golemancer should probably replace all it's toolbelt skills by a golem, not have a whole lot of different golems as utility skills.
    • Sage shouldn't modify conjure weapon, they are core skills, it would set a precedent that's just... wrong.
    • Do dreamwalker have new shatter? Or is it just a set of optional utility and an off-hand?
    • Huntsman make sense.
    • Wraith feel dangerously OP due to stealth and the basically free movement when leaving shroud. A question worth asking: can you stomp and damage the body that the wraith left?

    -Bladedancer doesn't steal at all; the class mechanic gets changed to a block that increases the damage of its next attack based on how much gets blocked.
    -sPvP doesn't even have need you to wear gear, and is essentially non-functional in the game anyway. Regardless, the pistol abilities are able to be used without a mount, so there would likely still be some combination of spec skills with the offhand weapon that make it viable.
    -Using the term "kits" for the monk was a loose analogy that I should have been more clear with, as the spec itself removes the ability for the guardian to use ANY weapon, including underwater weapons. That's a fair trade-off in my mind.
    -Good point, I'll update that. Couldn't place what it was missing.
    -Couldn't settle on viable belt skills for golem minions. Got any ideas?
    -Why not? Having them share their skill slots with conjure abilities is optional, and helps curb the power meditation skills would have for them. They could be further tuned by reducing or eliminating the stat bonuses you get from picking up conjure weapons. There's no good reason things should be off the table as long as they're reasonably balanced.
    -Dreamwalkers do not have a new shatter, although I wouldn't be opposed to it. Mes is flexible enough a different spec and ability set for their elite spec would be viable IMO, but any ideas would be welcome. They're the least clear spec idea here tbh.
    -TY; had Jhin from league in mind with the idea of making bullet economy central to their playstyle.
    -Wraiths don't have any free movement when leaving shroud; they ALWAYS have to return to the location of their body when they entered it, but the body itself acts like it's already "dead", so it can't be damaged. They are still vulnerable to reveals, and people can put traps on the body as a counter to it for pvp. Being mindful of your body location plays to the same mentality of being mindful to the teammates you're trying to heal as a support, so encouraging that mentality with environmental awareness is a major goal with this. With that said though, if it did actually come up as a significant issue for pvp, I could see allowing people to finish the body in pvp or wvw being allowed, since it's essentially a sitting duck.

  • @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

    You'll need some serious citation for that, as dragoons were known to have used rifles from horseback along side pistols which were holstered with a right hand draw. Rifles and pistols would historically be used by the main hand for combat, none of this Hollywood stuff with offhand shooting, good luck hitting anything.

    Being that Anet is unlikely to use a mounted combat system, I would stand by my 'weapon master' comment, it will be both off hand and mainhand.

    This being said... I'm actually glad that you're not another 'staff warrior' speculator! haha. Warrior needs pistol, its going to provide it with the things its been missing for years.

    ah good points; i could see it going that route. To be honest, I didn't see them needing another ranged weapon for mainhand pistol since they already have rifle for regular damage and longbow for condi damage, and zerker got the torch offhand. It seemed redundant to add a mainhand pistol in that context.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

    You'll need some serious citation for that, as dragoons were known to have used rifles from horseback along side pistols which were holstered with a right hand draw. Rifles and pistols would historically be used by the main hand for combat, none of this Hollywood stuff with offhand shooting, good luck hitting anything.

    Being that Anet is unlikely to use a mounted combat system, I would stand by my 'weapon master' comment, it will be both off hand and mainhand.

    This being said... I'm actually glad that you're not another 'staff warrior' speculator! haha. Warrior needs pistol, its going to provide it with the things its been missing for years.

    ah good points; i could see it going that route. To be honest, I didn't see them needing another ranged weapon for mainhand pistol since they already have rifle for regular damage and longbow for condi damage, and zerker got the torch offhand. It seemed redundant to add a mainhand pistol in that context.

    What the warrior lacks and is the only core class that never got, is a 1 handed ranged weapon. This will bridge that gap, both mainhand and offhand. Whit hits the weapon master mark and the missing weapon type. It will also allow a vast number of builds to come about as a result, offhand only would be tricky as it would need to offer a lot more than Torch, Shield and Axe for people to even consider it.

    If say offhand pistol is trash, you still have mainhand pistol to play with. (Better have two options than just one).

  • Kharrus.6015Kharrus.6015 Member ✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

    You'll need some serious citation for that, as dragoons were known to have used rifles from horseback along side pistols which were holstered with a right hand draw. Rifles and pistols would historically be used by the main hand for combat, none of this Hollywood stuff with offhand shooting, good luck hitting anything.

    Being that Anet is unlikely to use a mounted combat system, I would stand by my 'weapon master' comment, it will be both off hand and mainhand.

    This being said... I'm actually glad that you're not another 'staff warrior' speculator! haha. Warrior needs pistol, its going to provide it with the things its been missing for years.

    ah good points; i could see it going that route. To be honest, I didn't see them needing another ranged weapon for mainhand pistol since they already have rifle for regular damage and longbow for condi damage, and zerker got the torch offhand. It seemed redundant to add a mainhand pistol in that context.

    What the warrior lacks and is the only core class that never got, is a 1 handed ranged weapon. This will bridge that gap, both mainhand and offhand. Whit hits the weapon master mark and the missing weapon type. It will also allow a vast number of builds to come about as a result, offhand only would be tricky as it would need to offer a lot more than Torch, Shield and Axe for people to even consider it.

    If say offhand pistol is trash, you still have mainhand pistol to play with. (Better have two options than just one).

    Good point, but i was seeing it in terms of how much better it would pair with mainhand skills. I wouldn't be against the pistol itself being the mainhand weapon, but dual pistols always rub me the wrong way because of how impractical IRL they are, plus it just feeling...off...for warrior in general, since soldiers would be using a sidearm regardless, with dual-wielding pistols as more of a rogue/thief purview. As for what it offers, it's a good hybrid damage burst for the 4, and what basically amounts to a second attack skill for the 5 ability, raising their dps up a good margin. I could see it pairing with all the mainhand skills well. I think part of the reason why they limit warriors from 1 handed range weapons is because of how powerful their 1-handed weapon abilities are; proposing it as an offhand weapon keeps the potential power curve of the weapon down a bit, since running dual pistols or mainhand pistol seems like it could get out of hand pretty quickly IMO.

    And I do like what you have to say; it makes sense, but I'm mostly just being cautious about power creep concerns given how OP many of the elite specs have been on release day, and the subsequent nerf hell they go through before coming out to being better balanced. Best to try to avoid that at the start.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

    You'll need some serious citation for that, as dragoons were known to have used rifles from horseback along side pistols which were holstered with a right hand draw. Rifles and pistols would historically be used by the main hand for combat, none of this Hollywood stuff with offhand shooting, good luck hitting anything.

    Being that Anet is unlikely to use a mounted combat system, I would stand by my 'weapon master' comment, it will be both off hand and mainhand.

    This being said... I'm actually glad that you're not another 'staff warrior' speculator! haha. Warrior needs pistol, its going to provide it with the things its been missing for years.

    ah good points; i could see it going that route. To be honest, I didn't see them needing another ranged weapon for mainhand pistol since they already have rifle for regular damage and longbow for condi damage, and zerker got the torch offhand. It seemed redundant to add a mainhand pistol in that context.

    What the warrior lacks and is the only core class that never got, is a 1 handed ranged weapon. This will bridge that gap, both mainhand and offhand. Whit hits the weapon master mark and the missing weapon type. It will also allow a vast number of builds to come about as a result, offhand only would be tricky as it would need to offer a lot more than Torch, Shield and Axe for people to even consider it.

    If say offhand pistol is trash, you still have mainhand pistol to play with. (Better have two options than just one).

    Good point, but i was seeing it in terms of how much better it would pair with mainhand skills. I wouldn't be against the pistol itself being the mainhand weapon, but dual pistols always rub me the wrong way because of how impractical IRL they are, plus it just feeling...off...for warrior in general, since soldiers would be using a sidearm regardless, with dual-wielding pistols as more of a rogue/thief purview. As for what it offers, it's a good hybrid damage burst for the 4, and what basically amounts to a second attack skill for the 5 ability, raising their dps up a good margin. I could see it pairing with all the mainhand skills well. I think part of the reason why they limit warriors from 1 handed range weapons is because of how powerful their 1-handed weapon abilities are; proposing it as an offhand weapon keeps the potential power curve of the weapon down a bit, since running dual pistols or mainhand pistol seems like it could get out of hand pretty quickly IMO.

    And I do like what you have to say; it makes sense, but I'm mostly just being cautious about power creep concerns given how OP many of the elite specs have been on release day, and the subsequent nerf hell they go through before coming out to being better balanced. Best to try to avoid that at the start.

    Say on the lines the elite spec could go the 'bounty hunter' route or the 'commando' route, both would fit the Duel pistol approach. Having it a duel weapon approach is more fitting as there is less chance to mess it up.
    All I can say, is that I hope Anet does not dissapoint in terms of picking a weapon which fills the slot that warrior lacks in.

    And overhauls the entire animation / skill system to be more updated with current times.

  • @Kharrus.6015 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Just a little hint, you may want to relook at warrior and check what weapons they can use. You will notice a trend, warrior can use every weapon that has a mainhand option in the offhand as well.
    This is the only flavour text that stands true for warrior being a 'weapons master'. Since Pistol has a mainhand version of it, you can bet it will recieve both main and offhand. Other classes do not run by this rule.

    Dragoons use only an offhand pistol because you need one hand on the reins to ride your mount, both IRL and in-game. ;)

    Real mounted combatants were trained to guide their steeds using their knees alone :wink:

    Regardless while your idea is cool, I don't think they'd make a mount related espec since PvP does not have mounts in it.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kharrus.6015 said:
    -Bladedancer doesn't steal at all; the class mechanic gets changed to a block that increases the damage of its next attack based on how much gets blocked.

    Well, this make your idea unlikely to happen.

    -sPvP doesn't even have need you to wear gear, and is essentially non-functional in the game anyway. Regardless, the pistol abilities are able to be used without a mount, so there would likely still be some combination of spec skills with the offhand weapon that make it viable.

    Your whole utility skill set is based on having a mount thought... An e-spec is not just being able to wield a new shiny weapon.

    -Using the term "kits" for the monk was a loose analogy that I should have been more clear with, as the spec itself removes the ability for the guardian to use ANY weapon, including underwater weapons. That's a fair trade-off in my mind.

    A fair tradeoff indeed but also a huge work load for the devs. I'd add 2 points:

    • historically "monk" in GW isn't a brawler but a healing spellcaster.
    • Guardian's virtues are an important part of it's identity.

    -Good point, I'll update that. Couldn't place what it was missing.
    -Couldn't settle on viable belt skills for golem minions. Got any ideas?
    -Why not? Having them share their skill slots with conjure abilities is optional, and helps curb the power meditation skills would have for them. They could be further tuned by reducing or eliminating the stat bonuses you get from picking up conjure weapons. There's no good reason things should be off the table as long as they're reasonably balanced.

    You're indirectly opening the door to things like different weapon skillsets based on e-specs. Which ANet is warry of because they fear that it would make players confused. That's why ANet just don't change core utility skills and weapon skillsets based on e-spec, they mainly focus on main mechanisms for their change. I'm not saying that I wouldn't be overjoyed if they changed their thought, but again, the idea is highly unlikely to happen.

    -Dreamwalkers do not have a new shatter, although I wouldn't be opposed to it. Mes is flexible enough a different spec and ability set for their elite spec would be viable IMO, but any ideas would be welcome. They're the least clear spec idea here tbh.

    Well, the spec is just... "Bland". At this point you just make it rely on a new utility type named like the necromancer's but very different in their purpose (so far, necromancer spectral skills purpose being to feed LF to the necromancer). I guess you'd have to somehow create a "LF bar" that is made used of to give sense to the utility type within GW2's context.

    -TY; had Jhin from league in mind with the idea of making bullet economy central to their playstyle.
    -Wraiths don't have any free movement when leaving shroud; they ALWAYS have to return to the location of their body when they entered it, but the body itself acts like it's already "dead", so it can't be damaged. They are still vulnerable to reveals, and people can put traps on the body as a counter to it for pvp. Being mindful of your body location plays to the same mentality of being mindful to the teammates you're trying to heal as a support, so encouraging that mentality with environmental awareness is a major goal with this. With that said though, if it did actually come up as a significant issue for pvp, I could see allowing people to finish the body in pvp or wvw being allowed, since it's essentially a sitting duck.

    Leaving the shroud to come back to your body is quite a lot of movement, that's what I meant. There is drawback sure but leaving your body in a safe place out of the fight and go fight on point in a relatively safe manner would probably make the sPvP community a bit angry. People have something else to bother about in sPvP than finding a body when the point is being caped by their foe. In WvW you just wouldn't use the e-spec because you just don't want to be back to your body after a push into the ennemy zerg. In PvE, there is just not much value into a stealth skill that end up bring you back to square one and retaliatory effects. The only real place for this e-spec is sPvP and the mechanism is just to much for the sPvP community to accept (especially if you got retaliatory effects on top of that).

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I hate every single one of these.

    Thief - We already have Daredevil as a brawler type Espec, but yu want to force Thief into a further brawler style Espec.
    It's gonna end up similar to Revenant, being an extremely mobile assassin while having great durability in the form of evades and blocks.

    Warrior - Going to be fun in any game mode which supports a mount, and utterly trash in any gamemode that doesn't (Fractals, Raids, Strikes and PvP)

    Guardian - Monk concept is cool, but yu really want to give Guardian even more overloaded Tome style skills?
    Also what on earth is with that Monkey Paw Physical utility? Steal 6 boons? What? I mean sure, Guardian does have a severe lack of boon control, but dropping a 6 boon rip is straight out of nowhere.

    Revenant - Yuck another Condi heavy ranged attacker.

    Engineer - WE DON'T WANT AI DEPENDENT MECHANICS ANYMORE. AI SUCKS. MY GOD THE ENTIRE REASON GYROS GOT TURNED INTO WELLS WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE EXACTLY LIKE YUR PROPOSED GOLEMS. BAD AI BAD PATHING.

    Elementalist - while a Conjure focused spec is cool, can we talk about what on earth is with the Meditations?
    EVERYONE GETS STABILITY
    EVERYONE GETS HEALING
    EVERYONE GETS BURNT
    EVERYONE GETS KNOCKEDBACK
    EVERYONE GETS BOON CONVERSION (but wait, there's more because this skill recharges itself it it hits multiple allies)

    Mesmer - Basically a steroided version of core Mesmer. Oh also, they can corrupt now.

    Ranger - The rifle mechanics make no sense. Yu want them to have ammo, yu want them to have cooldowns.
    Also, the entire thing seems to slow.
    Honestly wish people would stop trying to come up with Sniper archetypes for Gw2.
    Game is too fast for Snipers to be balanced, and if a Sniper behaves like a Sniper should and does big shots, they are too op and receive nerfs.

    BUT WAIT, THIS CLASS ISN'T A SNIPER, BECAUSE IT'S CONDI WAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Just give Ranger a Scepter and call it a Blowgun thanks.

    Necromancer - Ah yes, I totally wanna play as King Leoric in Gw2.

    Also every single one of these are overloaded as heck.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • @Yasai.3549 said:
    I hate every single one of these.

    Thief - We already have Daredevil as a brawler type Espec, but yu want to force Thief into a further brawler style Espec.
    It's gonna end up similar to Revenant, being an extremely mobile assassin while having great durability in the form of evades and blocks.

    Warrior - Going to be fun in any game mode which supports a mount, and utterly trash in any gamemode that doesn't (Fractals, Raids, Strikes and PvP)

    Guardian - Monk concept is cool, but yu really want to give Guardian even more overloaded Tome style skills?
    Also what on earth is with that Monkey Paw Physical utility? Steal 6 boons? What? I mean sure, Guardian does have a severe lack of boon control, but dropping a 6 boon rip is straight out of nowhere.

    Revenant - Yuck another Condi heavy ranged attacker.

    Engineer - WE DON'T WANT AI DEPENDENT MECHANICS ANYMORE. AI SUCKS. MY GOD THE ENTIRE REASON GYROS GOT TURNED INTO WELLS WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE EXACTLY LIKE YUR PROPOSED GOLEMS. BAD AI BAD PATHING.

    Elementalist - while a Conjure focused spec is cool, can we talk about what on earth is with the Meditations?
    EVERYONE GETS STABILITY
    EVERYONE GETS HEALING
    EVERYONE GETS BURNT
    EVERYONE GETS KNOCKEDBACK
    EVERYONE GETS BOON CONVERSION (but wait, there's more because this skill recharges itself it it hits multiple allies)

    Mesmer - Basically a steroided version of core Mesmer. Oh also, they can corrupt now.

    Ranger - The rifle mechanics make no sense. Yu want them to have ammo, yu want them to have cooldowns.
    Also, the entire thing seems to slow.
    Honestly wish people would stop trying to come up with Sniper archetypes for Gw2.
    Game is too fast for Snipers to be balanced, and if a Sniper behaves like a Sniper should and does big shots, they are too op and receive nerfs.

    BUT WAIT, THIS CLASS ISN'T A SNIPER, BECAUSE IT'S CONDI WAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    Just give Ranger a Scepter and call it a Blowgun thanks.

    Necromancer - Ah yes, I totally wanna play as King Leoric in Gw2.

    Also every single one of these are overloaded as heck.

    I could not agree more

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 11, 2021

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    Engineer - WE DON'T WANT AI DEPENDENT MECHANICS ANYMORE. AI SUCKS. MY GOD THE ENTIRE REASON GYROS GOT TURNED INTO WELLS WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE EXACTLY LIKE YUR PROPOSED GOLEMS. BAD AI BAD PATHING.

    Amen. I really don't understand why people keep suggesting this golemancer stuff with AI pets.

    We already have an AI type, turrets, and they are TERRIBLE IN EVERY GAME MODE. If people want AI for engineer, keep trying to rework the kitten turrets.
    They also tried to give us another AI type with gyros, guess what, it iwas terrible as well, changing them into wells was the best that could happen for us.

    Also we already have an Asuran flavoured elite spec for engineer, holosmith. Can we please get something with another appeal?
    Still want to get my chemical based plaguedoctor elite spec for engineer.....
    And a focus on chemicals could also give us another "racial theme". Scrapper has been Charr themed, Holosmith has been Asura themed. Maybe a chemical based plaguedoctor spec could be Sylvari themed (as plant people, I think a chemical/alchemy theme fits them quite well).

  • @Kodama.6453 said:

    @Yasai.3549 said:
    Engineer - WE DON'T WANT AI DEPENDENT MECHANICS ANYMORE. AI SUCKS. MY GOD THE ENTIRE REASON GYROS GOT TURNED INTO WELLS WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE EXACTLY LIKE YUR PROPOSED GOLEMS. BAD AI BAD PATHING.

    Amen. I really don't understand why people keep suggesting this golemancer stuff with AI pets.

    We already have an AI type, turrets, and they are TERRIBLE IN EVERY GAME MODE. If people want AI for engineer, keep trying to rework the kitten turrets.
    They also tried to give us another AI type with gyros, guess what, it iwas terrible as well, changing them into wells was the best that could happen for us.

    Also we already have an Asuran flavoured elite spec for engineer, holosmith. Can we please get something with another appeal?
    Still want to get my chemical based plaguedoctor elite spec for engineer.....
    And a focus on chemicals could also give us another "racial theme". Scrapper has been Charr themed, Holosmith has been Asura themed. Maybe a chemical based plaguedoctor spec could be Sylvari themed (as plant people, I think a chemical/alchemy theme fits them quite well).

    It would be scritt themed :tongue: Still a plaguedoctor would be interesting.

  • I'm not that great with coming up with ideas, but I was thinking Revenant could have either a pistol or rifle, just another range weapon since in the instance for pistol and rifle, we have one core range which is the hammer and for Renegade, it does make up for that, however, it focuses on conditions instead of pure raw damage, with the exception for Soulcleave's Summit. Also, I feel like it could focus on dodging, which the hammer doesn't really help, even if we want to attack our foes from afar. Anyways, I'm curious to hear what everyone else can come up with and if they got better ideas than what I got for Revenant.

    "Choose your friends wisely, and also choose friends that you can trust." - Elyn Saks

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Shouldn't this be in the revenant's subforum?
    I don't mind revenant getting pistol or rifle on it's 3rd elite but does the pistol or rifle need to be ranged?

    NB.: The title of the thread is to broad, it should probably be: "weapon idea for revenant's 3rd elite".

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038

    He wrote "Anyways, I'm curious to hear what everyone else can come up with and if they got better ideas than what I got for Revenant." I think this thread here is intended by him to invite all players to share their ideas for elite specs for all classes, even if he just provided an example for revenant himself.

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My idea for an engineer elite spec: Plague Doctor

    Lore: They are descendants of the Am Fah, which tried to use the magical plague to strengthen their own warriors. But they didn't just try with the plague, but also experimented with a wide array of chemicals and concoctions. Over the centuries, they developed a caste of scientists called "Plague Doctors", which are now known experts of chemical warfare and medicine.

    Weapons: Plague Doctors were always looking for ways to carry as many of their concoctions into battle as possible. That's why the mace became their weapon of choice, they were hollowing out their heads to fill them with their alchemical inventions. Plague Doctors are able to dual wield maces (mainhand + offhand), the weapon is able to support allies with boons as well as torturing enemies with conditions (primarily poison + confusion).

    Skill Type: Corruptions will get added to their arsenal. These represent powerful, yet dangerous alchemical tinctures. Plague Doctors can use corruptions to plague enemies with powerful conditions or buffing their allies to extraordinary strength, but using them requires to sacrifice a flat amount of health.

    Class Mechanic: They get access to the fumigator. This device can get activated and deactivated by using the F5 key. While activated, the fumigator will replace the other toolbelt skills (F1-F4) with new skills. One of them spreads a fume around the Plague Doctor, which can get adjusted through the trait system. It can either be a water combo field, poison combo field or light combo field. The water field improves their ability to heal, the poison field helps them spread conditions and the light field enables more boon support for the group.

    Playstyle: Plague Doctors are primarily a support focused elite spec, giving them the ability to share important boons with their allies like might and quickness. They also increase the engineers ability to deal condition damage slight. Basically, you can consider it to be similar to scourge, but with more boon support instead of barriers.

    Weapon Skin: Magnum Opus: The head of the mace is transparent and filled with a green liquid. Spread over the head are several vents to release fumes.
    Armor Skin: Plague Doctor's Grasp: Gloves, covered in several tubes with a green liquid.

    Dual Classing: Anet started to design elite specs with the idea of them representing dual classing. Basically, these elite specs are the answer to the question "how does x do y things?". In case of the Plague Doctor, it represents the answer to "how does an engineer do necromancer things?".

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kodama.6453 said:
    @Dadnir.5038

    He wrote "Anyways, I'm curious to hear what everyone else can come up with and if they got better ideas than what I got for Revenant." I think this thread here is intended by him to invite all players to share their ideas for elite specs for all classes, even if he just provided an example for revenant himself.

    But you're going yourself with an engineer idea when he say "for revenant". ;)

    Revenant is a nice profession because it's e-specs can be virtually anything. The following legend idea is more of a joke than anything but, maybe, just maybe...

    Name: Treasure Hunter
    Legend: [insert Skriit name]
    F2: Lucky charm: Create a bundle based on your current legend. Cast time 1 second, 5 energy cost, CD 20s.
    Weapon: Rifle
    Legend skills:
    Heal: Dowsing: Heal yourself for a moderate amount. Gain a charge of healing seed bundle.
    Utility1: Bog: Create a patch of mud at your feets that slow and cripple foe that step on it. Gain a charge of throw gunk bundle.
    Utility2: Pluck: Pinch your foe at melee range, dealing damage and inflicting vulnerability. Gain a charge of Blinding tuft bundle.
    Utility3: Pick: Pick a branch below your foe's feet, making it fall (knockdown). Gain a charge of Branch bash bundle.
    Elite: Radioactive stone: throw a radioactive stone to the targeted area creating a radioactive field that poison and weaken foes within. Gain a charge of consume plasma bundle.

    Specificity: This legend do not have an upkeep skill.

  • MrForz.1953MrForz.1953 Member ✭✭✭

    Why... do people do this anyways.

    Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Pirate - Jade Quarry

  • Touchme.1097Touchme.1097 Member ✭✭✭

    I think you are too late to feed ideas for new elite specs, they are probably already written in stone for EoD at this time and only someone who has a very solid knowledge of Guild Wars 1 can predict the new Cantha specs. There have been quite a lot of these prediction thread, please don't make more of them.

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    I think you are too late to feed ideas for new elite specs, they are probably already written in stone for EoD at this time and only someone who has a very solid knowledge of Guild Wars 1 can predict the new Cantha specs. There have been quite a lot of these prediction thread, please don't make more of them.

    Knowing Anet, it's actually not too late.

    The scrapper elite spec for example most likely got entirely reworked just really short of the schedule of them having to present it in the video stream.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Touchme.1097 said:
    ... only someone who has a very solid knowledge of Guild Wars 1 can predict the new Cantha specs.

    I'm pretty sure knowledge about GW1 cantha is irrelevant to predict the futur e-specs, just like knowledge about GW1 kourna was irrelevant in predicting PoF e-specs. You can more or less make approximative guess about the thematic based on GW1's lore but not much more than that (even that have a high probability to be inaccurate anyway).

    I mean, GW2's necromancer's mechanic is already an abheration compared to GW1's lore, how can you expect that a bunch of necromancer taught by joko end up using necromancy in an even more abnormal way after parting from their "master" that now hunt them? I mean, neither shade nor shroud are a thing in GW1.

    It doesn't mean that we can't make a guess born out of our own fantasy. Let's see, for the necromancer it could become something like:

    Name: Exorcist

    Lore: Exorcists is a branch of necromancy that descend from the disciple of the sage Kuonhgsang who sweared to take revenge for their master that was once tricked by the spirits into making the emperor kill all the eldest daugters of the empire in order to cure the emperor's daughter. Exorcists use necromancy to gain dominion over a spirit that they use as their shield and weapon.

    Mechanism: Exorcists forsake the shroud, their Life force is bound to a spirit.
    F1: Shrouded weapon: Forcefully infuse your bound spirit into your weapon, consuming 7% LF every second in order to gain a stack of unblockable every second (You can only retain a single stack from this skill. F1 traits procs whenever you expend a stack. While this skill is active you are considered to be in shroud)
    F2: Spirit retreat: Make your spirit burst, dealing damage to foes around you while hurling you backward. (LF cost)
    F3: Lamentation: Make your spirit cry inducing fear into nearby foes.
    F4: Corrupted bond: Tether yourself to nearby foes, for x seconds whenever you are inflicted by a condition a copy of this condition is inflicted to your tethered foes.
    F5: Exorcist's balance: Gain health equal to the difference between your health and your spirit life force. If the spirit have less life force than you tranform your health into life force.

  • @Kodama.6453 said:
    @Dadnir.5038

    He wrote "Anyways, I'm curious to hear what everyone else can come up with and if they got better ideas than what I got for Revenant." I think this thread here is intended by him to invite all players to share their ideas for elite specs for all classes, even if he just provided an example for revenant himself.

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    Shouldn't this be in the revenant's subforum?
    I don't mind revenant getting pistol or rifle on it's 3rd elite but does the pistol or rifle need to be ranged?

    NB.: The title of the thread is to broad, it should probably be: "weapon idea for revenant's 3rd elite".

    Yeah, I just drummed up what could be for Revenant, but couldn't think of what else could be done for the other classes. Sorry for it being so broad though.

    "Choose your friends wisely, and also choose friends that you can trust." - Elyn Saks

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    I'm pretty sure knowledge about GW1 cantha is irrelevant to predict the futur e-specs, just like knowledge about GW1 kourna was irrelevant in predicting PoF e-specs. You can more or less make approximative guess about the thematic based on GW1's lore but not much more than that (even that have a high probability to be inaccurate anyway).

    I mean, GW2's necromancer's mechanic is already an abheration compared to GW1's lore, how can you expect that a bunch of necromancer taught by joko end up using necromancy in an even more abnormal way after parting from their "master" that now hunt them? I mean, neither shade nor shroud are a thing in GW1.

    It doesn't mean that we can't make a guess born out of our own fantasy. Let's see, for the necromancer it could become something like:

    Name: Exorcist

    Lore: Exorcists is a branch of necromancy that descend from the disciple of the sage Kuonhgsang who sweared to take revenge for their master that was once tricked by the spirits into making the emperor kill all the eldest daugters of the empire in order to cure the emperor's daughter. Exorcists use necromancy to gain dominion over a spirit that they use as their shield and weapon.

    Mechanism: Exorcists forsake the shroud, their Life force is bound to a spirit.
    F1: Shrouded weapon: Forcefully infuse your bound spirit into your weapon, consuming 7% LF every second in order to gain a stack of unblockable every second (You can only retain a single stack from this skill. F1 traits procs whenever you expend a stack. While this skill is active you are considered to be in shroud)
    F2: Spirit retreat: Make your spirit burst, dealing damage to foes around you while hurling you backward. (LF cost)
    F3: Lamentation: Make your spirit cry inducing fear into nearby foes.
    F4: Corrupted bond: Tether yourself to nearby foes, for x seconds whenever you are inflicted by a condition a copy of this condition is inflicted to your tethered foes.
    F5: Exorcist's balance: Gain health equal to the difference between your health and your spirit life force. If the spirit have less life force than you tranform your health into life force.

    To expand a bit on my latest post, I don't think taking a necromancer boss (Kuonhgsang here) as a starting point for an e-spec is the path ANet will take, even if it's possible to twist the lore nicely like I've done. It might not be totally unrelated thought.

    In GW faction, there is the concept of "Envoy" which is probably close to what a canthan necromancer should want to become granted how GW2 necromancer's profession is designed. I believe, we could have a lore that goes like:

    Envoy lore: Envoy... In the past, Envoys used to be criminal in penance, each nominated personally by the oracle of the mist in order to shepherd dead soul to the after life. Shiro Tagachi's betrayal of this duty changed everything. Criminals were no longer deemed as reliable enough to take on the mantle of an Envoy and, instead, it's been decided that this power would be entrusted to an elite group of necromancers. These new Envoys are now carefully screened, strictly trained and tightly bound with curses intended to punish them if they stray out of their duty.

    The way I worded this fictional lore, here, we could have the necromancer using some of it's envoy's skills in the principal plane at the cost of a backlash due to the curses, giving a second breath to the "self harm" skills design. Or you it could become a powerful dedicated minionmaster (afterall shiro, as an envoy, seem to raise and corrupt the deads into afflicted). Or it could end up into a trueblue ritualist, binding spirit to fight their foes and support their allies. The magic here being that we don't know enough about the Envoy powers to create a complete picture of what an envoy would do as an e-spec. (And even if we knew, ranger's druid e-spec truly show that a GW2 druid can be totally different from a GW druid, as long as it can vaguely fit the lore's definition)

  • I know a large number of Revenants what Greatsword with the new espec, so I'd throw my vote that direction.

    I think a Iajitsu set of skills would be interesting.

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    To expand a bit on my latest post, I don't think taking a necromancer boss (Kuonhgsang here) as a starting point for an e-spec is the path ANet will take, even if it's possible to twist the lore nicely like I've done. It might not be totally unrelated thought.

    I really hope that they will intertwine the new elite specs closely with the Canthan lore. It's one of the reasons I want the engineer elite spec to be a plaguedoctor, since it just works so perfectly well with Canthan history in which the plague ravaged the land and the organisation of the Am Fah, which tried to weaponize it.

    Which is also the reason why I thought it would be great to give engineer corruption skills. The Am Fah were experimenting with a powerful, but at the same time harmful, disease to strengthen their men. This could be well represented by giving the engineer corruption skills.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kodama.6453 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    To expand a bit on my latest post, I don't think taking a necromancer boss (Kuonhgsang here) as a starting point for an e-spec is the path ANet will take, even if it's possible to twist the lore nicely like I've done. It might not be totally unrelated thought.

    I really hope that they will intertwine the new elite specs closely with the Canthan lore. It's one of the reasons I want the engineer elite spec to be a plaguedoctor, since it just works so perfectly well with Canthan history in which the plague ravaged the land and the organisation of the Am Fah, which tried to weaponize it.

    Which is also the reason why I thought it would be great to give engineer corruption skills. The Am Fah were experimenting with a powerful, but at the same time harmful, disease to strengthen their men. This could be well represented by giving the engineer corruption skills.

    I don't disagree with you but all I say is that we do have prejudices about this lore which can mislead us into many many many fantasies. Just the necromancer could have 4 very different e-specs based on the lore of the 4 boss of the single mission of Naphui quarter. Just looking at the concept of "Envoy" for the necromancer can open countless possibilities as well.

    The engineer specifically could be based on either the kurzicks (and their walking juggernaut armor), the Luxons (and their weaponized turtles), the Am fah like you said (but also the Jade brotherhood) or something totally different like the Empire agents or even Sailors travelling between Shin Jea and the continent... There is many possibilities. Personally, granted the lore of cantha and the endless wars between kurzicks and Luxons, I'd lean more toward the concept of "sapper" for an engineer because creating such job would have suited the needs of these 2 factions that regularly take outposts from each other more than a "plaguedoctor" concept that could make an area unfit to occupy (poison/chemicals can leave semi-permanent and unwanted environmental scars).

    Lore can be twisted and evolved into many directions when it come to e-specs.

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    I don't disagree with you but all I say is that we do have prejudices about this lore which can mislead us into many many many fantasies. Just the necromancer could have 4 very different e-specs based on the lore of the 4 boss of the single mission of Naphui quarter. Just looking at the concept of "Envoy" for the necromancer can open countless possibilities as well.

    The engineer specifically could be based on either the kurzicks (and their walking juggernaut armor), the Luxons (and their weaponized turtles), the Am fah like you said (but also the Jade brotherhood) or something totally different like the Empire agents or even Sailors travelling between Shin Jea and the continent... There is many possibilities. Personally, granted the lore of cantha and the endless wars between kurzicks and Luxons, I'd lean more toward the concept of "sapper" for an engineer because creating such job would have suited the needs of these 2 factions that regularly take outposts from each other more than a "plaguedoctor" concept that could make an area unfit to occupy (poison/chemicals can leave semi-permanent and unwanted environmental scars).

    Lore can be twisted and evolved into many directions when it come to e-specs.

    I am biased towards the plaguedoctor, since alchemy is my favourite thematic from the engineer. Also Anet removed alot of chemical warfare when it comes to thematics from the engineer over the years.

    The alchemy trait line used to be about aggressive usage of chemicals just as well as the supportive nature of it. Acid coating, acidic elixirs, deathly mixture, etc. All this stuff got removed to reshape alchemy as a purely supportive trait line in the end.
    I would like these thematics to return and an alchemy based elite spec would be the best way to achieve this.

    Also it would fill an interesting thematical niche for the engineer elite specs in my opinion. The hightech and mechanical aspects of their thematics are already covered thanks to scrapper and holosmith. Having the chemical aspects of the class represented in an elite spec would be great in my opinion to give some thematical variety between the specs.

    A sapper wouldn't really achieve that in my opinion, it would just be another spec that builds stuff with most likely a mechanical design, just like the scrapper. Hell, even the names are kitten close, just a cr is differentiating sapper from scrapper, lmao.

    And the part about environmental scars... I think this works perfectly fine for Cantha. Cantha wasn't just Shing Jea, Kurzick and Luxon. A huge part of the map back then has been Kaineng, which already in times of GW1 has been a huge city with overpopulation, slums, and other social problems. I can imagine that Kaineng has grown over the years and became a very "steampunky" and polluted city, tbh.

  • @Kodama.6453 said:
    I am biased towards the plaguedoctor, since alchemy is my favourite thematic from the engineer. Also Anet removed alot of chemical warfare when it comes to thematics from the engineer over the years.

    The alchemy trait line used to be about aggressive usage of chemicals just as well as the supportive nature of it. Acid coating, acidic elixirs, deathly mixture, etc. All this stuff got removed to reshape alchemy as a purely supportive trait line in the end.
    I would like these thematics to return and an alchemy based elite spec would be the best way to achieve this.

    Also it would fill an interesting thematical niche for the engineer elite specs in my opinion. The hightech and mechanical aspects of their thematics are already covered thanks to scrapper and holosmith. Having the chemical aspects of the class represented in an elite spec would be great in my opinion to give some thematical variety between the specs.

    A sapper wouldn't really achieve that in my opinion, it would just be another spec that builds stuff with most likely a mechanical design, just like the scrapper. Hell, even the names are kitten close, just a cr is differentiating sapper from scrapper, lmao.

    And the part about environmental scars... I think this works perfectly fine for Cantha. Cantha wasn't just Shing Jea, Kurzick and Luxon. A huge part of the map back then has been Kaineng, which already in times of GW1 has been a huge city with overpopulation, slums, and other social problems. I can imagine that Kaineng has grown over the years and became a very "steampunky" and polluted city, tbh.

    Honestly, I can see plague doctor being a thing for Engineer. Alchemy did take a dive in fairness, but maybe Plague Doctor can rectify that? Also curious if the image used for it will display another Charr or an Asura this time.

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  • @ZarexWolf.5637 said:

    @Kodama.6453 said:
    I am biased towards the plaguedoctor, since alchemy is my favourite thematic from the engineer. Also Anet removed alot of chemical warfare when it comes to thematics from the engineer over the years.

    The alchemy trait line used to be about aggressive usage of chemicals just as well as the supportive nature of it. Acid coating, acidic elixirs, deathly mixture, etc. All this stuff got removed to reshape alchemy as a purely supportive trait line in the end.
    I would like these thematics to return and an alchemy based elite spec would be the best way to achieve this.

    Also it would fill an interesting thematical niche for the engineer elite specs in my opinion. The hightech and mechanical aspects of their thematics are already covered thanks to scrapper and holosmith. Having the chemical aspects of the class represented in an elite spec would be great in my opinion to give some thematical variety between the specs.

    A sapper wouldn't really achieve that in my opinion, it would just be another spec that builds stuff with most likely a mechanical design, just like the scrapper. Hell, even the names are kitten close, just a cr is differentiating sapper from scrapper, lmao.

    And the part about environmental scars... I think this works perfectly fine for Cantha. Cantha wasn't just Shing Jea, Kurzick and Luxon. A huge part of the map back then has been Kaineng, which already in times of GW1 has been a huge city with overpopulation, slums, and other social problems. I can imagine that Kaineng has grown over the years and became a very "steampunky" and polluted city, tbh.

    Honestly, I can see plague doctor being a thing for Engineer. Alchemy did take a dive in fairness, but maybe Plague Doctor can rectify that? Also curious if the image used for it will display another Charr or an Asura this time.

    I agree and I'm not even an engi main. I like the idea so much, that I run around with a Crapper or Core build dedicated to the elixirs and the elixir gun, with double pistols ofc, treating it like a "toxic waste management" type of deal lmao. I even wasted gold for the LS1 backpack which is the injection used in the tower of nightmares, and ofc an aqua breather as to not inhale that gas.

    Laughs aside though, I am a difficult player when it comes to playing condi builds, but this spec I would definitely play a lot! Now it's up to each one of us how it will function, what skills and mechanic it will get etc, as long as it's fun.

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  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZarexWolf.5637 said:

    Honestly, I can see plague doctor being a thing for Engineer. Alchemy did take a dive in fairness, but maybe Plague Doctor can rectify that? Also curious if the image used for it will display another Charr or an Asura this time.

    I am pretty sure that the image will show another Charr.
    If you are looking at the elite spec images, then they are always represented by the same race for each individual class.

    • Engineer | Scrapper | Holosmith: Charr (if they really wanted to change this, they should have picked either a human for holosmith, because the Elonian humans invented the technology, or an Asura, since holosmith uses the Asuran aesthetics)
    • Ranger | Druid | Soulbeast: Sylvari
    • Necromancer | Reaper | Scourge: Asura

    You can go on with this for every single class, it is always the same race showcasing the new elite spec. I personally would love to see a Charr wearing a gasmask on the image and wearing the new gloves for the plaguedoctors as well (scrapper got helmet and holosmith shoulders, looking at all the elite spec armor pieces, the next spec should get gloves).

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    @Grand Marshal.4098 said:

    I agree and I'm not even an engi main. I like the idea so much, that I run around with a Crapper or Core build dedicated to the elixirs and the elixir gun, with double pistols ofc, treating it like a "toxic waste management" type of deal lmao. I even wasted gold for the LS1 backpack which is the injection used in the tower of nightmares, and ofc an aqua breather as to not inhale that gas.

    Laughs aside though, I am a difficult player when it comes to playing condi builds, but this spec I would definitely play a lot! Now it's up to each one of us how it will function, what skills and mechanic it will get etc, as long as it's fun.

    I do the same, using a condition build that uses elixirs to get buffs. Also am wearing the gasmask skin from LS1 as well as the injector backpack you are using, haha.
    I really like the chemical aspects of the engineer class, yet there is no elite spec to showcase it really. I would love to see that changed and play as a chemical maniac in endgame content and be viable with it!

  • @Kodama.6453 said:
    I do the same, using a condition build that uses elixirs to get buffs. Also am wearing the gasmask skin from LS1 as well as the injector backpack you are using, haha.
    I really like the chemical aspects of the engineer class, yet there is no elite spec to showcase it really. I would love to see that changed and play as a chemical maniac in endgame content and be viable with it!

    Well, all we can do now is hope Anet listens to this and hopefully get this added, could be reconstructed for something else, but as long as we keep the alchemy part, we'll be happy, right? (Though in hindsight, it may become a full on support elite for elixirs to be honest.)

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  • So, I just had a thought, maybe Revenant could get the Legendary Prisoner stance that was used for a certain part of the story, if that's still possible. Not sure what weapons could be chosen, but it'd definitely be interesting. Though, I prefer Scarlet over Joko in all honesty, which could tie into the use of rifles like I mentioned earlier. Sorry if I've been all over the place with this post.

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  • @ZarexWolf.5637 said:
    So, I just had a thought, maybe Revenant could get the Legendary Prisoner stance that was used for a certain part of the story, if that's still possible. Not sure what weapons could be chosen, but it'd definitely be interesting. Though, I prefer Scarlet over Joko in all honesty, which could tie into the use of rifles like I mentioned earlier. Sorry if I've been all over the place with this post.

    Joko.

    Legendary Lich Stance. Summons Minions. Uses Scepter.

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    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @ZarexWolf.5637 said:
    So, I just had a thought, maybe Revenant could get the Legendary Prisoner stance that was used for a certain part of the story, if that's still possible. Not sure what weapons could be chosen, but it'd definitely be interesting. Though, I prefer Scarlet over Joko in all honesty, which could tie into the use of rifles like I mentioned earlier. Sorry if I've been all over the place with this post.

    Joko.

    Legendary Lich Stance. Summons Minions. Uses Scepter.

    Revenant already got summons with the last elite spec, so I don't think minions are really a good choice.

    I also would go for a scepter for revenant, but make it Canthan flavoured: Legendary Ritualist, Master Togo as the legend to invoke and the skill type associated with him would be weapon spells!

    Basically functions like venoms, you buff allies around you with weapon spells which enhance the next x outgoing attacks.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @Kodama.6453 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @ZarexWolf.5637 said:
    So, I just had a thought, maybe Revenant could get the Legendary Prisoner stance that was used for a certain part of the story, if that's still possible. Not sure what weapons could be chosen, but it'd definitely be interesting. Though, I prefer Scarlet over Joko in all honesty, which could tie into the use of rifles like I mentioned earlier. Sorry if I've been all over the place with this post.

    Joko.

    Legendary Lich Stance. Summons Minions. Uses Scepter.

    Revenant already got summons with the last elite spec, so I don't think minions are really a good choice.

    I also would go for a scepter for revenant, but make it Canthan flavoured: Legendary Ritualist, Master Togo as the legend to invoke and the skill type associated with him would be weapon spells!

    Basically functions like venoms, you buff allies around you with weapon spells which enhance the next x outgoing attacks.

    To be honest, I don't think togo had enough of an impact to become a legend. As a GW1 player I'd be very tempted to but that's all.

    From my point of view, the next revenant e-spec's legend won't be another human legend. I think a prime candidate for an e-spec would be "Nightmare" with Kanaxai as a legendary Nightmare (which is listed both as a demon and a nightmare). I'd model the e-spec after the mesmer with an inbuilt (Upkeep F skill) way to create a nightmare (clone) based on your current legend that harass your target and/or support your allies. It's skills could be aspects (there is 16 of them to chose from in Kanaxai's instance so there is enough material for ANet to make something) working similarly to Herald's facet but as debuff instead of buff (or each of these skills creating a nightmare with an upkeep). Weapon being Off-hand axe because "kanaxai's flavor".

    If I let my fantasy lead me I'd even say that the dreamy aspect of EoD teaser support my claim ;)

  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Kodama.6453 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @ZarexWolf.5637 said:
    So, I just had a thought, maybe Revenant could get the Legendary Prisoner stance that was used for a certain part of the story, if that's still possible. Not sure what weapons could be chosen, but it'd definitely be interesting. Though, I prefer Scarlet over Joko in all honesty, which could tie into the use of rifles like I mentioned earlier. Sorry if I've been all over the place with this post.

    Joko.

    Legendary Lich Stance. Summons Minions. Uses Scepter.

    Revenant already got summons with the last elite spec, so I don't think minions are really a good choice.

    I also would go for a scepter for revenant, but make it Canthan flavoured: Legendary Ritualist, Master Togo as the legend to invoke and the skill type associated with him would be weapon spells!

    Basically functions like venoms, you buff allies around you with weapon spells which enhance the next x outgoing attacks.

    To be honest, I don't think togo had enough of an impact to become a legend. As a GW1 player I'd be very tempted to but that's all.

    From my point of view, the next revenant e-spec's legend won't be another human legend. I think a prime candidate for an e-spec would be "Nightmare" with Kanaxai as a legendary Nightmare (which is listed both as a demon and a nightmare). I'd model the e-spec after the mesmer with an inbuilt (Upkeep F skill) way to create a nightmare (clone) based on your current legend that harass your target and/or support your allies. It's skills could be aspects (there is 16 of them to chose from in Kanaxai's instance so there is enough material for ANet to make something) working similarly to Herald's facet but as debuff instead of buff (or each of these skills creating a nightmare with an upkeep). Weapon being Off-hand axe because "kanaxai's flavor".

    If I let my fantasy lead me I'd even say that the dreamy aspect of EoD teaser support my claim ;)

    Agree with the Togo stuff. He hasn't really done any major thing. His story is too closely tied to Shiro. The noteworthy thing he has done is the peace treaty with the tengu, but that didn't last long and didn't really revolve around his power as a ritualist, but his negotiation skills. So that would end up as a "Legendary Negotiator". That and him being human makes me think he isn't suited to be a revenant legend.

    Kanaxai with MH axe used to be one of my guesses some time ago. First, because his lore could be expanded, as we know a revenants power to invoke gets stronger by knowing more about the legend itself (Gorea Halfcut dialogue). Second, he's an "evil" legend and that would balance things out a bit with our current lineup of 4 good ones and 2 evil ones.

    But there's problems with it. Unlike Menzies' (another candidate) shadow army he's not a pure nightmare and we already have a demon. The 2nd one would be that apparently he has no connection to the mists as far as we know. With no connection there can't really be a sentient echo, can there?

    So they'd have to bring him in line first, lorewise. Or atleast tell use more about his relation to the mists. It also depends if Anet allows another demon. So far we have only gotten legends of completely different races.

    More of my candidates:

    • Nornbear/Svanir for obvious reasons (GS, MH Axe or MH Dagger)
    • Balthazar (may be too close to "human", and we already have Shiro)
    • Menzies as "Legendary Nightmare" (same problem as Balthazar, may be too closely tied to human)
    • Varesh (Margonite, very unlikely as she's too close to human and Mallyx/demon)
    • Torivos (dual axes, Legendary Envoy, could be a problem since he used to be human in the past)

    Out of them Svanir seems to be the most likely. Fits the evil role for balance, is part of a race that isn't represented in the revenants current lineup (Norn) and would fit into a selfish dps role (Glint and Kalla have been more on the supportive side IMO).

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  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Raknar.4735 said:

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    To be honest, I don't think togo had enough of an impact to become a legend. As a GW1 player I'd be very tempted to but that's all.

    From my point of view, the next revenant e-spec's legend won't be another human legend. I think a prime candidate for an e-spec would be "Nightmare" with Kanaxai as a legendary Nightmare (which is listed both as a demon and a nightmare). I'd model the e-spec after the mesmer with an inbuilt (Upkeep F skill) way to create a nightmare (clone) based on your current legend that harass your target and/or support your allies. It's skills could be aspects (there is 16 of them to chose from in Kanaxai's instance so there is enough material for ANet to make something) working similarly to Herald's facet but as debuff instead of buff (or each of these skills creating a nightmare with an upkeep). Weapon being Off-hand axe because "kanaxai's flavor".

    If I let my fantasy lead me I'd even say that the dreamy aspect of EoD teaser support my claim ;)

    Agree with the Togo stuff. He hasn't really done any major thing. His story is too closely tied to Shiro. The noteworthy thing he has done is the peace treaty with the tengu, but that didn't last long and didn't really revolve around his power as a ritualist, but his negotiation skills. So that would end up as a "Legendary Negotiator". That and him being human makes me think he isn't suited to be a revenant legend.

    Kanaxai with MH axe used to be one of my guesses some time ago. First, because his lore could be expanded, as we know a revenants power to invoke gets stronger by knowing more about the legend itself (Gorea Halfcut dialogue). Second, he's an "evil" legend and that would balance things out a bit with our current lineup of 4 good ones and 2 evil ones.

    But there's problems with it. Unlike Menzies' (another candidate) shadow army he's not a pure nightmare and we already have a demon. The 2nd one would be that apparently he has no connection to the mists as far as we know. With no connection there can't really be a sentient echo, can there?

    So they'd have to bring him in line first, lorewise. Or atleast tell use more about his relation to the mists. It also depends if Anet allows another demon. So far we have only gotten legends of completely different races.

    More of my candidates:

    • Nornbear/Svanir for obvious reasons (GS, MH Axe or MH Dagger)
    • Balthazar (may be too close to "human", and we already have Shiro)
    • Menzies as "Legendary Nightmare" (same problem as Balthazar, may be too closely tied to human)
    • Varesh (Margonite, very unlikely as she's too close to human and Mallyx/demon)
    • Torivos (dual axes, Legendary Envoy, could be a problem since he used to be human in the past)

    Out of them Svanir seems to be the most likely. Fits the evil role for balance, is part of a race that isn't represented in the revenants current lineup (Norn) and would fit into a selfish dps role (Glint and Kalla have been more on the supportive side IMO).

    Well, I'm saying Kanaxai with the fact that he is part of Cantha's lore. I want to assume that the revenant's legend will have something to do with cantha more than core, nightfall or eye of the north. Apart from Svanir that have nothing to do with cantha, all your candidate are tied to humanity and If it was a spec tied to humanity I'd rather see a legend more meaningful than varesh (which is basically no better candidate than togo), Jadoth would probably be the better candidate.

    Personally, my candidates are:

    • Kanaxai (obviously)
    • A kraken, Zhu Hanuku (because that would be kitten and we fight a kraken in one of faction's mission). ANet could twist the e-spec into something close to norn's racial abilities.
    • An emperor (but it's to closely related to human)
    • A tengu (No idea how it could be twisted nor which tengu would be suitable, thought)
    • Kuunawang or Albrax (But we already have Glint as a dragon)
    • A Naga, Hanasha coralfin (A thematic about revenge and revival. Not sure she would associate herself to humans, thought.)
  • For Rev I think they need a norn (Jora with Greatsword) or an Asura (Vekk with scepter or Focus).

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    For Rev I think they need a norn (Jora with Greatsword) or an Asura (Vekk with scepter or Focus).

    Neither norn nor asura have anything to do with cantha, thought. Sure you can hide a giant ancient asura city there lost for centuries (just like in HoT) but that would be a bit ridiculous. That or something from the futur (since the mists don't really care about the timeline), still the norns hardly have anything to do with cantha, that's just not their domain.

  • Grand Marshal.4098Grand Marshal.4098 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    What about a Mursaat? Not Lazarus, but someone like Optimus Caliph. He seemed to have high authority over the mursaat and he is more or less a demi god figure like Lazarus. Mursaat aren't friendly either and we can use this legend to justify Mursaat. maybe with a main hand axe? scepter could work too ofc.

    Edit: I'm also sure that Ane t can easily replicate hsi abilities from GW1 to fit the GW2 theme and status. A power-focused magic caster legend ? That would complement Shiro ideally. We lack that type of dps legend i'd say.

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  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Grand Marshal.4098 said:
    What about a Mursaat? Not Lazarus, but someone like Optimus Caliph. He seemed to have high authority over the mursaat and he is more or less a demi god figure like Lazarus. Mursaat aren't friendly either and we can use this legend to justify Mursaat. maybe with a main hand axe? scepter could work too ofc.

    Edit: I'm also sure that Ane t can easily replicate hsi abilities from GW1 to fit the GW2 theme and status. A power-focused magic caster legend ? That would complement Shiro ideally. We lack that type of dps legend i'd say.

    I'd love a mursaat e-spec (in fact I wanted that pre PoF) but mursaats are prophecy (tyria) things not faction's (cantha).

  • @Dadnir.5038 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    For Rev I think they need a norn (Jora with Greatsword) or an Asura (Vekk with scepter or Focus).

    Neither norn nor asura have anything to do with cantha, thought. Sure you can hide a giant ancient asura city there lost for centuries (just like in HoT) but that would be a bit ridiculous. That or something from the futur (since the mists don't really care about the timeline), still the norns hardly have anything to do with cantha, that's just not their domain.

    Doesn't matter. Kalla had nothing to do with the Desert, and there is already a Cantha themed Legend.