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Zboard.5019Zboard.5019 Member ✭✭
edited February 7, 2021 in WvW

Hello, im posting this because i find a torture/stupid the mechanic behind making guild siege, and cant wrap my ahead around it to see the beneficts of forcing one or few people to sit at GH for hours to craft a decent amount for your guild to use in WvW for some weeks. Anet said they didnt put a TP in GH because they didnt want people to just sit there, but with this mechanic they are enforcing the opposite. I just cant understand why it is how it is, slow and laggy and sooo limited. Why cant i just put 1000 guild rams on queue, same time, but not having to sit my kitten there and having to add new items to the queue EVERY 5 MINUTES.
An idea: Make guild siege so you cant buy/sell it(Guild Bound?) and improve the guild siege crafting mechanic, because its actually a torture and im sure there are 'bots' to relieve this, and i dont blame them, its stupid having to sit there for hours... very interactive. This only beneficts the 'bots' that are probably 24/7 crafting siege and selling on tp, i guess, if that even exists/is profitable compared to other activities
Or maybe just make the queue up to 1k items, so i can go, click, and then go with my guildies and have some fun instead of being jailed in gh every few weeks
Yeah i can buy from TP, but this only beneficts siege crafting bots, if they exist and tbh is a stupid system and shouldnt be defended, imo

Resume: I like the idea of crafting the siege for my guild, but not in its actual state, very limited and laggy, eating hours of my play time, which makes crafting it a nonsense, which beneficts (this is my guess) bots that sit in a gh crafting it, since they dont get reported there and get a decent profit selling it

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2021

    I'm confused. What do the queue limits for guild siege have to do with the TP? It sounds as if someone is upset and arbitrarily taking it out on those who sell siege using a baseless claim that they're all bots.

  • Bristingr.5034Bristingr.5034 Member ✭✭✭

    Get an episode of the Office running when you do Guild Seige crafting. It's the only way to stay sane since Anet is very out of touch with game mechanics.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2021

    Anyone in the guild can Que blueprints up. I make it so people in the guild pop into the hall, que up 10, go play, and at the end of the night, que up 10 more.

    I would LOVE to be able to que up all I made, but considering the most we get for guilds or guild halls is new deco’s, I don’t see it happening.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    I'm confused. What do the queue limits for guild siege have to do with the TP? It sounds as if someone is upset and arbitrarily taking it out on those who sell siege using a baseless claim that they're all bots.

    I think they trying to point out the irony of not putting trading post in guildhall because not wanting players to spend a ton of time there yet being fine with implementing the processing of guild siege in such a way that cause the scribe to spend a ton of time there.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    But then you don't get to appreciate the crafting machine animation :/

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They're meant to be rare. If you're using hundreds of siege a night superior is for you.

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • Moradorin.6217Moradorin.6217 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2021

    I think the times take the fun out of it too.

    Im pretty sure they didnt put a TP into the Guild Hall cause it would make passes like Bastion and Mistlock allot less useful. That said, PvP covers it all so do BL entrances so I think its misguided on Anet's part.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    All this is ridiculous : What's wrong with wanting to spend all my time in the Guild Hall?

    People spend all their time in LA, DR and Rata Sum and it killed no one.

    People still go out to do metas in openworld.

    People who wanna socialize gravitate toward LA in the first place.

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    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • Bump because we deserve a tp in guild hall.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    This post contains my opinion.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2021

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    It's cheaper for less strength.
    Guild siege is superior for vanilla cost.
    Best of both, but harder to acquire because of the timegate.

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • @Bellatrixa.3546 said:
    When they designed and released scribing, they had a feature called Resonance, which would reduce processing times. When they decided to remove Resonance, they never reduced the processing times to compensate, so now we have literally no way to speed it up. Because no one at ANet seems to care about WvW or guilds as a system, we have the current torture of siege processing. I know my guild would gladly be sinking gold for Resonance into speeding up the queue. That being said, I'd rather see the queue not be a thing at all but removing it would probably cause a black hole to open in the middle of EBG or some similar kitten because spaghetti code. Bringing back Resonance and making it buyable again would just be re-adding an existing feature. Although that might end up deleting everyone's infusions or something, idk.
    Quite honestly, guilds as a whole need a rework, as does scribing to a certain extent.

    I am one of two scribes in my guild. We are not a large guild and use guild catas quite frequently (we call them crack catas for a reason) so we can hit objectives fast. Which means I spend quite some time at the device making and queuing siege.

    I have to agree with some type of rework to the system. We already got the ability to get tactics out of a box, maybe bring back a modified version of resonance. My guildies would be more than happy to do something like this if it meant I didn't complain every time I had to make siege. XD

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The device was re-implemented almost as soon as it was implemented, but sadly didn't get looked at since.

    It reminds me of the way you can't "use all" on the WvW Guild Tactics/Upgrades you can choose in Skirmish Chests.
    When I mentioned this to the devs on the livestream, they said you CAN...
    ... but obviously they meant you can Use All the things you buy from the merchant, but the things inside them can't be ADDED to your guild storage in a pile, so you end up clicking over and over.
    The game is really big and the devs just don't SEE stuff because they're so busy trying to come up with some "suprise and delight" guff for yet another new PvE map. The Device is one of those things that gets overlooked. Constantly.

    This post contains my opinion.

  • Bellatrixa.3546Bellatrixa.3546 Member ✭✭
    edited February 15, 2021

    @SwankyMutt.9521 said:
    I am one of two scribes in my guild. We are not a large guild and use guild catas quite frequently (we call them crack catas for a reason) so we can hit objectives fast. Which means I spend quite some time at the device making and queuing siege.

    I have to agree with some type of rework to the system. We already got the ability to get tactics out of a box, maybe bring back a modified version of resonance. My guildies would be more than happy to do something like this if it meant I didn't complain every time I had to make siege. XD

    Having been one of the scribes in my guild in the past, I feel you so much on this and know the pain that our current scribes go through spending literally hours even making small amounts of siege. Processing is a killer and takes way too much time, even if you have the ability to watch stuff on another screen/tabbed out while you do it. I don't think ANet fully understands that the processing times for the WvW queue are stupidly long and that we already have the siege cost a good amount to make because of Badges of Tribute. The value of those is enough to keep the value of guild siege high if that's what they want, without adding a time factor into its worth.

    I'd love to see the ability to add guild siege to the guild panel like with ascended food at the tavern too, which would be really useful for guilds that aren't max level because they're new or taking a long time to get there. Ditto spirit banners and heroes banners, as well as increasing/abolishing the cap on the number of banners you can store in the consumables panel. If we can have over 1k guild siege ACs in there, why can't we have 50+ heroes banners and the ability for members to deposit those mediocre banners we get from community rewards and the like? I mean, the system is already there for ascended food, much like the ability to modify processing times exists because Resonance was a thing in the past.

    *pulls hair out in frustration*

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  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    What's the point of common gear when pretty much nobody should be really using it regardless of character level anyways?
    Beacuse it's an option, it's there, you can use it for whatever reason, but you absolutely don't need to use it. In case you're using it, the mere fact that's "it there" is irrelevant to anyone, so what's the point of asking this question? Don't want/need to use it? Then don't. Someone might want to -who cares.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    What's the point of common gear when pretty much nobody should be really using it regardless of character level anyways?
    Beacuse it's an option, it's there, you can use it for whatever reason, but you absolutely don't need to use it. In case you're using it, the mere fact that's "it there" is irrelevant to anyone, so what's the point of asking this question? Don't want/need to use it? Then don't. Someone might want to -who cares.

    Those things aren't the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

    This post contains my opinion.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2021

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    What's the point of common gear when pretty much nobody should be really using it regardless of character level anyways?
    Beacuse it's an option, it's there, you can use it for whatever reason, but you absolutely don't need to use it. In case you're using it, the mere fact that's "it there" is irrelevant to anyone, so what's the point of asking this question? Don't want/need to use it? Then don't. Someone might want to -who cares.

    Those things aren't the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

    How are they not close enough in this comparison? They're in the game, there exist better versions of them and you pretty much don't need to use the weakest version at any point of the game. Just because you've linked "false equivalence" as a cheap way out of answering doesn't make it an actual false equivalence. The principle around existance of weakest version in both cases is pretty much the same. If you don't want to use them, then it's perfectly fine, but it's also irrelevant to those items existing in the game.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    What's the point of common gear when pretty much nobody should be really using it regardless of character level anyways?
    Beacuse it's an option, it's there, you can use it for whatever reason, but you absolutely don't need to use it. In case you're using it, the mere fact that's "it there" is irrelevant to anyone, so what's the point of asking this question? Don't want/need to use it? Then don't. Someone might want to -who cares.

    Those things aren't the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

    How are they not close enough in this comparison? They're in the game, there exist better versions of them and you pretty much don't need to use the weakest version at any point of the game. Just because you've linked "false equivalence" as a cheap way out of answering doesn't make it an actual false equivalence. The principle around existance of weakest version in both cases is pretty much the same. If you don't want to use them, then it's perfectly fine, but it's also irrelevant to those items existing in the game.

    I admit it, I cheaped out on the answer and I also think some equivalence, but not as much as you're making out. The best gear doesn't get removed from the system when you use it, but guild siege does - although there is minor time-gating on the crafting side. It's just a messy analogy.

    The time-gating/tedious nature of the queuing system is what the OP is unhappy about.
    I suspect they could

    • make the window bigger and add more slots, OR,
    • make it instantly add them to guild decoration storage - (like racetrack parts do? But they're bought from a vendor and aren't crafted - so the bottleneck is where?).

    This post contains my opinion.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2021

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    If I'm to be frank

    Well, Frank.
    What would be the point of superior siege if guild varieties were just as plentiful?

    What's the point in vanilla siege now that superior siege is ubiquitous?

    What's the point of common gear when pretty much nobody should be really using it regardless of character level anyways?
    Beacuse it's an option, it's there, you can use it for whatever reason, but you absolutely don't need to use it. In case you're using it, the mere fact that's "it there" is irrelevant to anyone, so what's the point of asking this question? Don't want/need to use it? Then don't. Someone might want to -who cares.

    Those things aren't the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

    How are they not close enough in this comparison? They're in the game, there exist better versions of them and you pretty much don't need to use the weakest version at any point of the game. Just because you've linked "false equivalence" as a cheap way out of answering doesn't make it an actual false equivalence. The principle around existance of weakest version in both cases is pretty much the same. If you don't want to use them, then it's perfectly fine, but it's also irrelevant to those items existing in the game.

    I admit it, I cheaped out on the answer and I also think some equivalence, but not as much as you're making out. The best gear doesn't get removed from the system when you use it, but guild siege does - although there is minor time-gating on the crafting side. It's just a messy analogy.

    ...so if the siege bprints get removed from the system per use, isn't there even more of a reason for lower versions to exist?

    The time-gating/tedious nature of the queuing system is what the OP is unhappy about.
    I suspect they could

    • make the window bigger and add more slots, OR,
    • make it instantly add them to guild decoration storage - (like racetrack parts do? But they're bought from a vendor and aren't crafted - so the bottleneck is where?).

    It might be tedious, but due to the existance of weaker versions you still have a choice to make. If the stronger version isn't worth price/time, then use the weaker ones. If it is, then... you know... pretty much deal with it. Right?

  • I think Walmart siege would still have a use, and possibly rise in demand/cost if guild siege making was easier. Considering you need 3 Walmart to 1 guild siege, and Walmart siege can be bought with Badges of Tribute as well as getting it from reward tracks, I see it as actually being a good thing for the WvW economy. It'd be an indirect way of making the reward tracks more rewarding. Not to mention, it takes time to level up a guild to the point that you have the upgrades available to make guild siege. Smaller guilds and roamers would still benefit from Walmart and Superior siege if they can't easily obtain guild siege. Not to mention out on the borderlands (idk, say you're at one of the north towers as an attacker), you can just buy Walmart siege from the Portable Provisioner. That's good for people who might not have perms to pull guild siege from the panel as well as those who would lack access due to guild hall level limitations.

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