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So after a years of pause I came back a month ago and noticed that everyone is looking for Heal Fire Brand and Alacrity Revenant.
So I experimented a bit to try and find the most optimal party setup and this is what for me made the most fluid T4 daily experience:

  • HFB
  • Alecrity Rev.
  • Power BS
  • Power Ele
  • Power Ele

I am interested to find out what is your experience and what would be the best possible party for clearing hardest fractals.

Comments

  • So the only thing I don't agree with on this is bringing 2 eles. Why wouldn't a soulbeast be brought for their unique buffs and abilities in place of 1 ele?
    HB, Alac, BS, SB, Weaver is basically the meta listed on Discreatize.

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LuRkEr.9462 said:
    So the only thing I don't agree with on this is bringing 2 eles. Why wouldn't a soulbeast be brought for their unique buffs and abilities in place of 1 ele?
    HB, Alac, BS, SB, Weaver is basically the meta listed on Discreatize.

    I highly doubt it includes Hfb.

    Meta highly depends on the fractal. A good all rounder is 4cfb + ren or 3cfb, bs + ren for easier cc.
    99 + 98cm both are very power centric. Good comps are usually Fb, ren, bs, + slb/weaver or slb/holo or slb/slb.
    The best for fast no effort runs are cfb stacks. the aegis spam is just too strong and cfb outdamages power builds if you dont bother with slaying sigils and potions.
    You need to have a fairly good team to make power work in all fractals. Cfb is just highly rewarding keyboard smash gameplay.

  • @Nephalem.8921 said:

    @LuRkEr.9462 said:
    So the only thing I don't agree with on this is bringing 2 eles. Why wouldn't a soulbeast be brought for their unique buffs and abilities in place of 1 ele?
    HB, Alac, BS, SB, Weaver is basically the meta listed on Discreatize.

    I highly doubt it includes Hfb.

    Meta highly depends on the fractal. A good all rounder is 4cfb + ren or 3cfb, bs + ren for easier cc.
    99 + 98cm both are very power centric. Good comps are usually Fb, ren, bs, + slb/weaver or slb/holo or slb/slb.
    The best for fast no effort runs are cfb stacks. the aegis spam is just too strong and cfb outdamages power builds if you dont bother with slaying sigils and potions.
    You need to have a fairly good team to make power work in all fractals. Cfb is just highly rewarding keyboard smash gameplay.

    I fully agree. 4 Firebrands an one Ren was the most chill run I've ever had. You don't even need the berserker for cc. Just slot in sanctuary and everything's fine.

  • Frankly you don't even need banners in FotM. Stuff dies quick enough without them, that and some fights are too mobile to make full use of them anyway.

    You really want:
    1 Healer (HFB or Druid, Druid brings 25 might and spotter fwiw)
    1 Quickness support (Chrono or Quickbrand)
    3 DPS one of which could be banners if it is insisted upon. Doesn't matter on the class so long as they bench +29k on a stationary golem.

    That's it. so long as none of the players are utter noobs who don't know the mechanics that will clear any FotM in a timely manner.

    I lump alacrity in with banners as far as nice to have, but not really a requirement. If you are speed running your dailies, then sure it'll help, but no it isn't needed and you can get a run down in a timely manner with alacrity or banners.

  • @LuRkEr.9462 said:
    So the only thing I don't agree with on this is bringing 2 eles. Why wouldn't a soulbeast be brought for their unique buffs and abilities in place of 1 ele?
    HB, Alac, BS, SB, Weaver is basically the meta listed on Discreatize.

    I just happened to have 2 power eles in party. Is Discreatize a site or someting? I'm only familiar with snowcrows and metabattle. I would take SB anytime, but I'm just interested in whats the most efficient setup.

  • @Nephalem.8921 said:

    @LuRkEr.9462 said:
    So the only thing I don't agree with on this is bringing 2 eles. Why wouldn't a soulbeast be brought for their unique buffs and abilities in place of 1 ele?
    HB, Alac, BS, SB, Weaver is basically the meta listed on Discreatize.

    I highly doubt it includes Hfb.

    Meta highly depends on the fractal. A good all rounder is 4cfb + ren or 3cfb, bs + ren for easier cc.
    99 + 98cm both are very power centric. Good comps are usually Fb, ren, bs, + slb/weaver or slb/holo or slb/slb.
    The best for fast no effort runs are cfb stacks. the aegis spam is just too strong and cfb outdamages power builds if you dont bother with slaying sigils and potions.
    You need to have a fairly good team to make power work in all fractals. Cfb is just highly rewarding keyboard smash gameplay.

    ren as in renegade?
    so basically 4 condi dd and 1 dedicated cc?

  • @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Frankly you don't even need banners in FotM. Stuff dies quick enough without them, that and some fights are too mobile to make full use of them anyway.

    You really want:
    1 Healer (HFB or Druid, Druid brings 25 might and spotter fwiw)
    1 Quickness support (Chrono or Quickbrand)
    3 DPS one of which could be banners if it is insisted upon. Doesn't matter on the class so long as they bench +29k on a stationary golem.

    That's it. so long as none of the players are utter noobs who don't know the mechanics that will clear any FotM in a timely manner.

    I lump alacrity in with banners as far as nice to have, but not really a requirement. If you are speed running your dailies, then sure it'll help, but no it isn't needed and you can get a run down in a timely manner with alacrity or banners.

    I just made HFB with help of snowcrows site and I think my quickness is pretty much permanent, outside of content where we cannot stack really.
    Couldn't my staff and an ele for example keep 25 stacks? Also how much does spotter contributes? What does fwiw mean?
    In my experience, a healer or some sort of support is kinda needed or people tend to die a lot. I'm playing with only 1 RL friend and we need to pug 3 people. He is BS main and working on alacrity rev atm. And I'm condi mirage main and just made hfb.

    What should we play and pug to make it easiest and most effortless?

  • @Weerus.3701 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:
    Frankly you don't even need banners in FotM. Stuff dies quick enough without them, that and some fights are too mobile to make full use of them anyway.

    You really want:
    1 Healer (HFB or Druid, Druid brings 25 might and spotter fwiw)
    1 Quickness support (Chrono or Quickbrand)
    3 DPS one of which could be banners if it is insisted upon. Doesn't matter on the class so long as they bench +29k on a stationary golem.

    That's it. so long as none of the players are utter noobs who don't know the mechanics that will clear any FotM in a timely manner.

    I lump alacrity in with banners as far as nice to have, but not really a requirement. If you are speed running your dailies, then sure it'll help, but no it isn't needed and you can get a run down in a timely manner with alacrity or banners.

    I just made HFB with help of snowcrows site and I think my quickness is pretty much permanent, outside of content where we cannot stack really.

    Great. Take another dps then.

    Couldn't my staff and an ele for example keep 25 stacks? Also how much does spotter contributes? What does fwiw mean?

    My warrior with Phalanx Strength can do 25 might for the party, but Druid does it the quickest.
    Spotter is 100 precision.
    Fwiw: for what it's worth

    In my experience, a healer or some sort of support is kinda needed or people tend to die a lot. I'm playing with only 1 RL friend and we need to pug 3 people. He is BS main and working on alacrity rev atm. And I'm condi mirage main and just made hfb.

    What should we play and pug to make it easiest and most effortless?

    You do need at least one support. Druid or HFB should be enough.

    Having one DPS as a Reaper is helpful since they can hard carry a screwup.

    But having players that know their rotations and the content matters the most for making it easy and effortless.

    Knowing when to swap utilities between fights helps as well. Like slotting shield of the avenger when going into a projectile heavy fight.

  • Armen.1483Armen.1483 Member ✭✭✭

    @Weerus.3701 said:

    @LuRkEr.9462 said:
    So the only thing I don't agree with on this is bringing 2 eles. Why wouldn't a soulbeast be brought for their unique buffs and abilities in place of 1 ele?
    HB, Alac, BS, SB, Weaver is basically the meta listed on Discreatize.

    I just happened to have 2 power eles in party. Is Discreatize a site or someting? I'm only familiar with snowcrows and metabattle. I would take SB anytime, but I'm just interested in whats the most efficient setup.

    Here you go: https://discretize.eu/
    It is not healbrand though, but power quickness firebrand, meta in fractals is without heals. Weaver is the class that brings most personal damage but nothing else (ok some fire fields for blasting might, but that's it) and can be replaced by a DH with signet share. The important part is fb, alacrev, soulbeast and bs. There is a second reason berserker is META it is not only about banners. On high AR berserker profits from precision even after he is capped on crit resulting them do insane damage on par with other dps sometimes and ofc they bring banners and CC which weaver lacks so much. Soulbeast is there for stance share, spirit and also the moa stance for prestack as the bd can be a problem without a staff guardian. That comp works particularly well in CM98 and 99.
    For CM100 we haven't figured out the META yet, but what most ppl run are 3 condi firebrands + alacrev +hfb. What is better though is 4 condi firebrands (all of em take sanctuary, and 1 or 2 do the quickness and might job) + condi rev (that shares alac+some might but no CC).
    Other t4s have all their best comps, but the firebrigade comp works pretty fine as most of the times you are fighting bosses and clearing mobs is not a big deal anyway.

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2021

    If you go by dT then the normal setup is Alac Ren, Hfb, BS, Slb and Weaver

    But frankly Dh,cFB,Holo can dish out tons of damage too with Dh being a more popular choice with pugs compared to Weaver in my experience

  • LuRkEr.9462LuRkEr.9462 Member ✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    Yea, some groups will run fractals without heals. That is "Meta" but only in coordinated teams. Running a pug T4 or CM without a healbrand often turns into a kitten show, though sometimes it works great.
    The 3 dps can really be whatever (probably not chrono, too slow rampup) as long as they know their class and rotation well. Though in anything endgame PvE, people tend to like stacking guardians for the inherent defense that brings.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2021

    fractal meta ? it easy:
    first breath - no elem, no thief
    so now we need boons ..
    alacrity ? so need alac (it can ne Diviner, it can be ) or Seraph(more rare)
    quickness so we need fb .. it can be hfb, or qfb, who provide boons and dps, but not heal
    ofc we have take qfb and hsg(heal scourge). or take hfb and not worry it is more and more common way
    bs ! alwyas, but not in cm100 .. on that cm100 bs should use cdps build and better be cfb
    dps .. 2 dps left
    cfb more easiest way. Ofc we have different dps But remember: no weavers !! thief's also not ideal.

    1 cfb for chilled ppl
    2 p guard (not for cm100)
    3 pslb(not for cm100)
    4 holo (not for cm100, but can :)) )
    5 mirage only for cm100
    others ..

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ofc we can take
    heal weaver
    4 power chrono with SOI spam
    and not one can't say that it setup can't do any fractal instace

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • @lare.5129 said:
    ofc we can take
    heal weaver
    4 power chrono with SOI spam
    and not one can't say that it setup can't do any fractal instace

    lol :D
    Whats soi? Emberessed I ask this being mesmer sicne 2012 XD

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Weerus.3701 said:

    @lare.5129 said:
    ofc we can take
    heal weaver
    4 power chrono with SOI spam
    and not one can't say that it setup can't do any fractal instace

    lol :D
    Whats soi? Emberessed I ask this being mesmer sicne 2012 XD

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Inspiration

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Guardians are too annoyingly unbalanced that its basically 4 Guardians (FB) + 1 Rev (alac slave). Thats the answer for almost anything the game throws at u

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I always thought Power Soulbeast was worth more than an Ele, because they have similar dps and access to frost/sun spirit.

  • @mizaru.1385 said:
    Guardians are too annoyingly unbalanced that its basically 4 Guardians (FB) + 1 Rev (alac slave). Thats the answer for almost anything the game throws at u

    This.
    I truly have no clue why they never done anything to balance them
    The guardian is literally the best at everything except being an alac which they most likely would be one in the next expansion

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @mizaru.1385 said:
    Guardians are too annoyingly unbalanced that its basically 4 Guardians (FB) + 1 Rev (alac slave). Thats the answer for almost anything the game throws at u

    While I agree that guardians are in a very good spot PvE wise, and nearly always have been (with an exception to the early to mid HoT raid meta, where distortion made aegis useless and guardian damage was subpar) because of their base design (having access to a group wide block on a heavy armor class which can deal good damage turns out to be a great PvE component for an action combat game like GW2). I do wonder what players assume who ask for nerfs.

    Nerfing guardian does nothing for other classes besides make the content harder. Top end players right now are not using guardians as is, except for the quickness bot and even that only sparingly if mesmer is not an option. Every single class in this game can complete all challenging content, it's just guardian makes it easier for mediocre players to not have to up their game. If you as a player are having issues with this games challenging content, that is not due to guardians being op, it is due to you being bad at your class.

    I have played just about every class there is in raids and fractal CMs without issue (non speedrun groups but regular 200-300KP "let's get it done clean" groups). As decent player most others don't care about the class you play in the upper segment. Only at the very top or the bottom do players somehow care about your class choice, due to completely opposite reasons.

    This is people hating on on mesmer all over again believing that making content harder by nerfing another class will somehow benefit their class of choice. News flash: nerfing mesmer did nothing for other classes or their access to content. Bringing other classes up to a place where they could be side grades did.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    2 days ago cms+t4 was done with setup: pwr holo, pwr thief wiht staff, hfb, alac(me), cfb(on100), and swaped on power slb for rest. Chill, solid run.
    1 day ago: hfb alac(me) bs(cfb on100), cfb (weaver rest), cfb (power guard rest) - awful toxic long run.
    both setup 8kufe+250kp

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • That feels like a definite case (and I'm guilty of this a lot) of people chasing the meta rather than playing what they are good at.

  • @lare.5129 said:
    2 days ago cms+t4 was done with setup: pwr holo, pwr thief wiht staff, hfb, alac(me), cfb(on100), and swaped on power slb for rest. Chill, solid run.
    1 day ago: hfb alac(me) bs(cfb on100), cfb (weaver rest), cfb (power guard rest) - awful toxic long run.
    both setup 8kufe+250kp

    You mean HFB quickness?

  • @Heepnose.5174 said:
    That feels like a definite case (and I'm guilty of this a lot) of people chasing the meta rather than playing what they are good at.

    I'm guilty of it too, tho I do not enforce it. I do prefer to have alacrity and hfb quickness in party :)

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2021

    @Weerus.3701 said:
    You mean HFB quickness?

    I don't know exactly what set they use and dont ask, probably mix of harrier/cleric/minstrel/magi

    on fractal we have 2 types of support fb - this is Qfb - which provide quickenss and make dps, and Hfb - provide more boons and ofc quickenss too, and heal with low dps.

    I prefer take in opt second. It help minimize effect of any mistakes and not make one more cm inside cm.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021

    @Weerus.3701 said:

    @lare.5129 said:
    2 days ago cms+t4 was done with setup: pwr holo, pwr thief wiht staff, hfb, alac(me), cfb(on100), and swaped on power slb for rest. Chill, solid run.
    1 day ago: hfb alac(me) bs(cfb on100), cfb (weaver rest), cfb (power guard rest) - awful toxic long run.
    both setup 8kufe+250kp

    You mean HFB quickness?

    There is no HFB quickness. There is HFB, which is expected to also give quickness. Period.

    Any "pure" HFB build which does not give quickness is a meme build and will get kicked on sight in any experienced or even regular group.

    I am really unsure where this nonsense "pure" healer Firebrand builds are sprouting from, but given going harrier or if need be minstrel AND provide quickness comes with no disadvantages to the "pure" healer build, it's a no brainer which should be run.

    I am going to repeat that:
    If anyone is running a non quickness giving heal Firebrand build, you will get kicked! A lot! Not only from "pro" or "elitist" groups.

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You know there was a time when chronos and druids were a must-have support in any end-game content - FOTM, raids., etc? Chrono could provide perma 10 boons with ONE click of soi on repeat. It took years to nerf this nonsense, and now we have a another meta, which is not as low effort as before. Sure you can think that guard/reve are OP, but in all honesty, nothing stopping you in making your own group and play what you like.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    k, now we have new meta:
    hybride hsg
    zerk chrno with 33% conc for quickenss uptime
    2 condi rev with with conc sigl get dps and alacrity share
    dps condi slb with sb (easy rotation) + wolf pack share

    So NO ONE can distrub that setup inside any 5 const fractal runners. Take and use it.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Janitsu.6284Janitsu.6284 Member ✭✭

    Just wanted to pop in and say that having a dedicated healer in a fractal group already makes it "not meta".

    minecrafter

  • @lare.5129 said:
    k, now we have new meta:
    hybride hsg
    zerk chrno with 33% conc for quickenss uptime
    2 condi rev with with conc sigl get dps and alacrity share
    dps condi slb with sb (easy rotation) + wolf pack share

    So NO ONE can distrub that setup inside any 5 const fractal runners. Take and use it.

    no thx :))))

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    k, now we have new meta:
    hybride hsg
    zerk chrno with 33% conc for quickenss uptime
    2 condi rev with with conc sigl get dps and alacrity share
    dps condi slb with sb (easy rotation) + wolf pack share

    So NO ONE can distrub that setup inside any 5 const fractal runners. Take and use it.

    You can keep it. Glad it works for you though :)