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valhalahunter.9863valhalahunter.9863 Member ✭✭
edited February 19, 2021 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Is Anet going to do something about this BLATANT price fixing. This is making an unfair experience to everyone that doesn't have DEEP pockets. A few of the top, Pieces of unidentified gear, all three flavors and this one is beyond unacceptable... Mystic coins. I think you should put a cap on these prices, so they can't be sold higher(which is only fair since it is unfair right now) or find what guild or group of people doing this and suspend their accounts. I have never been on to complain, but come on, I just want an even playing field like everyone else. Mystic coins LOCKED at 2G-420073 ordered. This isn't a supply and demand issue.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Will.9785 said:
    I agree that something needs to be done. Its blatant market manipulation by 1 or 2 guilds with very rich players (i.e. hundreds of thousands of gold).

    This is harmful to the game in the long run. A new player would instantly be turned off by this if they wanted to go for a legendary. It puts what is already a daunting task for many players even further out of reach. Many may not find it worth the effort and leave the game. People need long term goals like this to stay invested in the game but they need to be reasonably within reach. The carrot on the stick approach only works if the person chasing the carrot actually believes they can get it.

    A price of 2-3 gold is not fine. You need around 500 for gen 2 legendaries. That's over 1k gold JUST for the coins.

    Even if you feel like 2-3 gold is fine, at what point does it start to become a problem? Because it can/will reach 3-5 gold before you know it given the manipulation we are seeing right now.

    Then do leyline anomaly daily the daily mystic forger when up, fractal cms and save your login coins untill you get your coins.

  • Moira Shalaar.5620Moira Shalaar.5620 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2021

    @Will.9785 said:
    I agree that something needs to be done. Its blatant market manipulation by 1 or 2 guilds with very rich players (i.e. hundreds of thousands of gold).

    This is harmful to the game in the long run. A new player would instantly be turned off by this if they wanted to go for a legendary. It puts what is already a daunting task for many players even further out of reach. Many may not find it worth the effort and leave the game. People need long term goals like this to stay invested in the game but they need to be reasonably within reach. The carrot on the stick approach only works if the person chasing the carrot actually believes they can get it.

    A price of 2-3 gold is not fine. You need around 500 for gen 2 legendaries. That's over 1k gold JUST for the coins.

    Even if you feel like 2-3 gold is fine, at what point does it start to become a problem? Because it can/will reach 3-5 gold before you know it given the manipulation we are seeing right now.

    From time to time I have had my own grumps about market manipulation, particularly back when sigils of nullification were necessary for progress on the Jahai achievements. At that point there was easily identifiable market manipulation when the entire stock on the TP being sold for a few silver each were bought up and then resold for multiple gold each. Personally I think that is a failure on the design part of Anet in setting the up a scenario that could and would be exploited. So I can sympathize with the sentiment, but let's look at this critically. Is there actually data that demonstrates that there IS "blatant market manipulation"? Can we find on Mystic coin price history evidence that can objectively lead to that conclusion? Conversely, to prove market manipulation, we would also need to disprove the simplest and easiest possible cause: supply & demand.

    Is it possible that with the now aging announcement of Legendary Armory that the demand for coins has gone up as more people (of whom I confess I am one) are making more legendary equipment, while the supply has not gone up appreciably?

    One way to increase your own personal supply of mystic coins is to have multiple accounts and make sure you log on to each daily, and at least do the mystic forger daily across all accounts when it comes up.

    *edited for typo & clarity

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2021

    @Will.9785 said:
    A new player would instantly be turned off by this if they wanted to go for a legendary.

    this is is not true. For most aprox 50% legs you don't need MC at all. If some one want speed up and get fast mystic clover per 5 minutes - let him pay.
    I craft mostly ALL T1 legendary weapons, and don't buy for them any mystic coins. Also I don't buy coin for all legendary sets. Clover I get from fractals, where I spend mc from my dayli and dayli anomaly, and clover I get from pvp/wvw, and from drizlewwod pve track. Also all leg ring, amulet, and other accessory also done. Without any other source of MC. I only sell it sometimes :))

    It puts what is already a daunting task for many players even further out of reach.

    If someone can't do craft item per day - this is not reason panic

    People need long term goals like this to stay invested in the game but they need to be reasonably within reach.

    so we have it!!!

    The carrot on the stick approach only works if the person chasing the carrot actually believes they can get it.

    the carrot is easy accessible.

    A price of 2-3 gold is not fine. You need around 500 for gen 2 legendaries. That's over 1k gold JUST for the coins.

    so that the problem?? this is only 1k gold? not big sum for gen2 LEG

    Even if you feel like 2-3 gold is fine, at what point does it start to become a problem?
    Because it can/will reach 3-5 gold before you know it given the manipulation we are seeing right now.

    As I say I don't buy it, I get enough per dayli login, anomaly, and others..
    So in one hand it can be cost 3, 5, 10,15g I not very care. Opposite I sure it is big support for new players.

    But if imagine that I need 250 mc from TP the legal and chill price for me is 5000 gold for 250mc, so it is 20 gold for each mystic coin

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vilin.8056 said:
    One thing to consider with with Mystic Coin price hikes is that it deals a blow to all new and developing Guild Halls which still require many hundreds of coins to complete several essential upgrades, especially for WvW enhancements, while things gonna get worse as time pass by.

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Enhancements#List_of_guild_enhancements
    no any mystic coins

    Hopefully we could find an alternative to these requirements.

    let imagine that they are .. 100 mc? 200 mc? welcome on TP. It is cheap for player who play. Don't have time to play ? gems->gold>mc also welcome.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vilin.8056 said:
    I believe you never leveled a guild hall:

    no for me is cheaper buy existing guild, or don't do that at all.

    But I still not see any issue. 800 coins? Less than 2k gold? Cheap and fast. Why it should be coast 1 gold??
    As I say if mc each more that 20g it can be not so very easy. If more that 50g for 1 coin.. I can say, ok - it to big for me too, but may be I don't need that or have another way.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2021

    I think some MC package can be on TP, but it should be more expensive than current price on TP, optimal price I think 1000 gems - 50 coins

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    I think some MC package can be on TP, but it should be more expensive than current price on TP, optimal price I think 1000 gems - 50 coins

    That would crater the market on MC

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Shadowmoon.7986Shadowmoon.7986 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Mc are expensive because people horde them and use them as currency on the black market. To be honest, probably the best thing anet did about this problem is try to increase the drop rate of the ultra expensive items to allow them to appear on the tp. This allow them to be traded for gold. If i wanted to buy a chak off the black market, i would probably have to spend 22 stacks of MC, because gold would not be accepted because of the gold cap. If people could easy buy these items from the tp, gold would have more demand than mc and the price would go down as people sold off their mc to get gold.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 19, 2021

    @valhalahunter.9863 said:
    This isn't a supply and demand issue.

    Actually, it absolutely IS a supply and demand issue. That's ALL it can be.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @valhalahunter.9863 said:
    This isn't a supply and demand issue.

    Actually, it absolutely IS a supply and demand issue. That's ALL it can be.

    Correct. It's a supply and demand market. Whether or not it is an issue is what is up for debate. I don't believe that it is.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ok.. then raise the cost of precursors for gen 1 legendaries. They are significantly lower cost today then they were three years ago.

    The cost of a gen one legendary continues to drop. Despite the rise in mystic coin prices.

    • Farm gold, buy them.
    • Do WvW skirmish tracks to get 6 a week.
    • log in
    • Do the mystic coin daily event

    That’s.. what, just from playing around 75 per month that actually don’t cost money....

    4 months you have more than a stack. In 7 months you have two stacks.

    If you want it faster, but it.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Oxstar.7643Oxstar.7643 Member ✭✭✭

    The oligarchy having too much power over the market, eh. Yeah, I agree that is something you need to keep an eye on.

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭

    And yet legendaries have never been as accessible as they are now.
    Unless you intend to craft many legendaries in a short timeframe you should cover most of your needs without buying them on TP.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Will.9785 said:
    I agree that something needs to be done. Its blatant market manipulation by 1 or 2 guilds with very rich players (i.e. hundreds of thousands of gold).

    This is harmful to the game in the long run. A new player would instantly be turned off by this if they wanted to go for a legendary. It puts what is already a daunting task for many players even further out of reach. Many may not find it worth the effort and leave the game. People need long term goals like this to stay invested in the game but they need to be reasonably within reach. The carrot on the stick approach only works if the person chasing the carrot actually believes they can get it.

    A price of 2-3 gold is not fine. You need around 500 for gen 2 legendaries. That's over 1k gold JUST for the coins.

    Even if you feel like 2-3 gold is fine, at what point does it start to become a problem? Because it can/will reach 3-5 gold before you know it given the manipulation we are seeing right now.

    Participating in the market is not market manipulation.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Literally every player that logs in gets these coins for free. Multiply that by the game's population and you have a HUGE supply without even considering the other acquisition methods. I have a hard time believing this item is being manipulated the way the OP claims.

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • Are there any other items in the game that have continued to gain value over the past 3-5 years the same way as MC?

    At a cursory glance I am seeing that most items have become cheaper over time until they flatline. Some items have notable swings up or down due to seasonal events or new content requiring specific mats or items be used, but generally most appear to be stable.

    The interesting thought about MC is that they have nearly doubled in price from last year at this time, which is the greatest inflation over the past 5 years (when looking year over year). As well the post Wintersday period is usually a decline for MC but this year it kept going up to it's current position.

    I would think, given how Anet has recently changed the drop rate for various Infusions that were super rare and overpriced as a result, that they would also monitor this situation. I doubt they would do anything yet as this is still relatively early for this new trend of continual growth, but perhaps later in the year we will hear something from them.

    Lastly, a thought on why this could be happening. This could be a result of players pre-purchasing and holding mass quantities of MC for new Legendary items that might come with the Expac. Not saying they will use these for themselves as I am sure there are some prospectors out there waiting for the crest, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are many hundreds or thousands of MC being held by players just to work on whatever Legendaries are coming with EoD.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    I think it's fine.
    It's a mostly player driven economy and thus shouldn't be artificially restrained.

    It would have been a "mostly player driven economy" if the supply was not artificially restrained by Anet.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Blooddiamond.8902Blooddiamond.8902 Member ✭✭
    edited February 19, 2021

    What i heard about the MC price increase is: There was a guy (the riched Gw2 player 13.000.000 Gold) called out for RMT(what get never confirmed) from other traders, because of that he lost some of his connections to the grey market and other traders. He want to show his power, so he crash the Chak and Confetti Infusion price for one day down to like 5k and set a buy order of 200.000k of MCS. Some poeple say he has over 100 alt accounts, so he would get 2000 MCs per months from daily login rewards.
    If it would be a normal demand, why are there over 400k of buy orders @ exectly 2 gold. If i need MC right now would go for 2.01 Gold etc. , because the 400k will maybe not even fill up in 1 year. The only other reason would be it would not be worth(nop profit) it to buy Mcs for 2.01 Gold, maybe someone can explain that to me. Seems to me like a fake demand. Why 1 to10 people should fake a demand, if they not want manipulate someone or something.
    Even if he lost some of his trade partners after his RMT call out, he/they could easily buy this 200k-400k MCs on the grey market if he/they want, if he/they would really have the demand on this MCs.
    Normally on the grey market you sell stuff for 0,85-1 of the sell order price. Most of the case 0,9 or higher it depens on the item. Right now on the grey market MCs sell for 2 Gold, most of the time this is over 0,96 sell order price. So he gets most of the time 11% more value from his own MC and he gets probably more then 2k MCs per month. Most of the rich people in Gw2 have gold value parked in legys, as some says befor legy price decrease over the years. If now the MC price rise, they gold value parked in legys is stable or maybe will increase.

  • Sylvyn.4750Sylvyn.4750 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mungo Zen.9364 said:
    Are there any other items in the game that have continued to gain value over the past 3-5 years the same way as MC?

    At a cursory glance I am seeing that most items have become cheaper over time until they flatline. Some items have notable swings up or down due to seasonal events or new content requiring specific mats or items be used, but generally most appear to be stable.

    The interesting thought about MC is that they have nearly doubled in price from last year at this time, which is the greatest inflation over the past 5 years (when looking year over year). As well the post Wintersday period is usually a decline for MC but this year it kept going up to it's current position.

    I would think, given how Anet has recently changed the drop rate for various Infusions that were super rare and overpriced as a result, that they would also monitor this situation. I doubt they would do anything yet as this is still relatively early for this new trend of continual growth, but perhaps later in the year we will hear something from them.

    Lastly, a thought on why this could be happening. This could be a result of players pre-purchasing and holding mass quantities of MC for new Legendary items that might come with the Expac. Not saying they will use these for themselves as I am sure there are some prospectors out there waiting for the crest, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are many hundreds or thousands of MC being held by players just to work on whatever Legendaries are coming with EoD.

    Yes, Memories of Battle are currently twice as expensive as they were a year ago, but this is also tied to when the legendary ring Conflux came out last March, which required a large sum of memories, but the side effect was that buying memories for all other WvW ascended weapons and armor became twice as expensive if you're long on skirmish tickets and short on memories and don't want to wait for them...you only earn 104 memories per week if you finish Diamond tier in the skirmish reward track, and another 15 per WvW reward track whenever you complete the 2nd and 22nd stages, yet need 250 per ascended item along with the requisite number of skirmish tickets.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Literally every player that logs in gets these coins for free. Multiply that by the game's population and you have a HUGE supply without even considering the other acquisition methods. I have a hard time believing this item is being manipulated the way the OP claims.

    If it is ... the people doing it are not that smart to begin with. Considering it's taken them YEARS to drive up the price to a measely 2 gold ... that's a MASSIVE market manipulation FAIL!

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Until Anet raises the supply there's nothing you really can do about it. It is what it is.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You get them for free.

    Pls just permaban me by now so I can stop going back here

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Mystic coins have deflated and inflated between 90s and 2g since I started playing. It isn't fixed. It changes based on demand. Expect it to explode in value if they introduce anything that uses more.

    So far, Icebrood Saga weapon collections cost 3845 Gold to craft!
    *Does not include Volcanic Stormcaller set, Runic Armor, or Icebrood Infusion.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    Mystic coins have deflated and inflated between 90s and 2g since I started playing. It isn't fixed. It changes based on demand. Expect it to explode in value if they introduce anything that uses more.

    Wait, you are telling me that an announcement which made a lot of veteran players start crafting legendary items, or even worse, an actual legendary armory which would make legendary items even more desired can have an effect on a commodities value in game? Especially as a majority of other required materials drop in value, thus reducing the current cost in crafting of said items below an established price point encourages acquisition even more?

    How dare you approach this issue with rational assumptions? The market is clearly manipulated by select individuals which understand supply and demand. /s

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylvyn.4750 said:

    @Mungo Zen.9364 said:
    Are there any other items in the game that have continued to gain value over the past 3-5 years the same way as MC?

    At a cursory glance I am seeing that most items have become cheaper over time until they flatline. Some items have notable swings up or down due to seasonal events or new content requiring specific mats or items be used, but generally most appear to be stable.

    The interesting thought about MC is that they have nearly doubled in price from last year at this time, which is the greatest inflation over the past 5 years (when looking year over year). As well the post Wintersday period is usually a decline for MC but this year it kept going up to it's current position.

    I would think, given how Anet has recently changed the drop rate for various Infusions that were super rare and overpriced as a result, that they would also monitor this situation. I doubt they would do anything yet as this is still relatively early for this new trend of continual growth, but perhaps later in the year we will hear something from them.

    Lastly, a thought on why this could be happening. This could be a result of players pre-purchasing and holding mass quantities of MC for new Legendary items that might come with the Expac. Not saying they will use these for themselves as I am sure there are some prospectors out there waiting for the crest, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are many hundreds or thousands of MC being held by players just to work on whatever Legendaries are coming with EoD.

    Yes, Memories of Battle are currently twice as expensive as they were a year ago, but this is also tied to when the legendary ring Conflux came out last March, which required a large sum of memories, but the side effect was that buying memories for all other WvW ascended weapons and armor became twice as expensive if you're long on skirmish tickets and short on memories and don't want to wait for them...you only earn 104 memories per week if you finish Diamond tier in the skirmish reward track, and another 15 per WvW reward track whenever you complete the 2nd and 22nd stages, yet need 250 per ascended item along with the requisite number of skirmish tickets.

    And the price has not come back down, as the supply in the market is currently relatively scarce: there is essentially one way (WvW) to acquire them without purchasing from the TP.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @Hannelore.8153 said:
    Mystic Coins price fixing is because they're used in grey-market trades to bypass the 500g transfer limit.

    There is a simple solution for that: MC's must not be mailed or stored in guild-banks (or only very limited, it simply has no sense to restrict gold to 500per week but allow unlimited MC mailing) but only traded via TP. But be aware that this very likely trash the MC price, do you really want that?

    @Will.9785 said:
    I agree that something needs to be done. Its blatant market manipulation by 1 or 2 guilds with very rich players (i.e. hundreds of thousands of gold).

    Sorry, this is non-sense. Every player gets 20 per 28 days, just for login in. How many accounts actively login into GW2? Let's say 200k (100k in EU, 100k in NA).
    To just buy the monthly login production of MC's you need 8 million gold per month ;) I am in doubt that many guilds are that rich in cash ;) And even if they are, nice that they bring their money under the people.

    As legendaries are pure luxury, a more adequate view is: The higher the MC price is, the more money have the rich to spend to everyone, i.e. the more free login value everyone get per month.

  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭✭

    While Market manipulation does occur, in the case of this item, it is organic supply and demand. Every account who bought any of the games/expansions receive them
    from daily trickles. Other means of acquisition are few and far between, meaning that item is rare by definition and thus worth it's price.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @valhalahunter.9863 said:
    I have never been on to complain, but come on, I just want an even playing field like everyone else.

    Mystic Coin prices are the same on the TP for everyone.
    How is this not even?

    Still waiting for OP to answer to this post, because I'm curious what exactly he meant.

  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    Mystic coins have deflated and inflated between 90s and 2g since I started playing. It isn't fixed. It changes based on demand. Expect it to explode in value if they introduce anything that uses more.

    I think OP meant it as in "price fixing", meaning, players who have most of the coins manipulate or "fix" the price. Not that the price is always "fixed" as in "the same".

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    Mystic coins have deflated and inflated between 90s and 2g since I started playing. It isn't fixed. It changes based on demand.

    While there are indeed some shortterm dips and spikes in the MC price, the overall longterm trend is visibly upward. It's not level. And before you say "inflation", i'll add that this trend is also upward if you compare it to the market as a whole. There's very, very few commodities on the market with such a longterm steady one-direction trend.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @valhalahunter.9863 said:
    I have never been on to complain, but come on, I just want an even playing field like everyone else.

    Mystic Coin prices are the same on the TP for everyone.
    How is this not even?

    Still waiting for OP to answer to this post, because I'm curious what exactly he meant.

    You won't get one.
    The OP could just just as easily of recognized that Anet added new massive faucets for the majority of components for legendary weapons other than MC's over the past year then acknowledged the natural effect this has had on the price.
    But it's much better point to some sort of shadowy cabal to obfuscate your avarice over digital weapons.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Parasite.5389Parasite.5389 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sobx.1758 said:
    Still waiting for OP to answer to this post, because I'm curious what exactly he meant.

    OP doesn't care, they just want fake internet points

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i am actually hoping for an extreme rise in price so when i log in i can get about 10G per MC, that would be great.

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Can you prove that one account ordered 20k coins?

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    in really these guys manipulating are doing a favor to new players, "fixing" it in 2G lmao. so if they did it again will be 3g; the new players that "farm" mystic coins will have more gold.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • MattDu.7123MattDu.7123 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    We don't come here for a level playing field

    And Sorry, I can't let that slide ;) Yes we do, that's why everyone gets upset when they put a pay to win feature into any multiplayer game and the PVP/WvW players want to nerf every profession but their own

    off topic, how do I do the quote bit at the bottom, I like that

  • NEWBIE dont craft Legendary, they start with rare, exotic then ascended. If you are a newbie and from exotic you jump to legendary, then it would be very hard since im assuming you dont have enough knowledge with the game, it is so easy to farm gold now than back then.

  • Crystal Paladin.3871Crystal Paladin.3871 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    When I started this game as a newbie, everything in the game overwhelmed me... Every single drop from monsters seemed like they could be a potential rare drop. Including mystic coins... Mat storage limit was 250. I didn't know what to do with mystic coins and yet I was not willing to sell them on tp coz compared to other materials, the accumulation was slow low... after a long time, I got to know about legendaries so I started hoarding it even when it exceeded 250 , I bought mat storage expansion and continued collecting clovers and coins. But I'm not interested in gold at all and definitely not interested in buying or selling anything on tp. Then it took a while to craft my legendary kudzu. This I believe is the mentality of a new casual player...

    The point I'm trying to explain here is new players are not that much interested in gold and trading post. They don't sell mystic coins unless their mat storage fills up (even then, they might not sell). So don't expect the supply from new players to compensate the demand for mystic coins.

    If u want mystic coin prices to stabilize or get enough for your needs, only way is anet should introduce a new source for mystic coins (coz wvw, cm fractals(always gated with 4k ufe) are not too friendly for average players)