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Sansar.1302Sansar.1302 Member ✭✭✭

Been solo roaming since 2 months after game went live ( have tried zerg play and smal scale too)
Now these days ppl seam to trie to ruin any 1v1 or eaven 2 v1.
That is also when playing classes that most would not solo roam on.
Have Ranger, Thief , Mesmer, Guardian, Revenant, Enginer and Necro that i solo roam on

And before you say go to spvp that is the second game mode i play but it have never been as unrestricted as wvw with build, gear and food that can make realy fun builds in wvw.

Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

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  • If this bothers you, then just don’t play wvw. Because you’ll always be mad.

    My advice is to welcome any challenge or stay close to a magical door.

  • Chips.7968Chips.7968 Member ✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    While I completely understand what you say, stop expecting everyone to adhere to what you want. The whole game mode is about working cooperatively to achieve objectives. Either enjoy the challenge or don't - but complaining won't change anything - just annoy you more.

    I'd also say it does depend where they fight - been "shouted" at before by someone for ruining their 1v1... in a camp with the ring up. If you want a 1v1, don't expect anyone to think or even accept it as a 1v1 when it's involving a team objective. I told them as much - think they ever rage quit and transferred server as they repeatedly expected to 1v1 in the midst of an objective and raged at people for getting stuck in... because it's a fricken objective in a team game. But that's an extreme example. I laughed.

    As for the problem of being outnumbered - I enjoy the challenge. True if it's 10vs1 then the challenge is staying alive more than 15s. But I enter fights that are 2-5 vs 1 because... that is the fun. By that, I know I'm not going to win. Likewise I don't pick on sub bronze rank players unless they persistently attack, and don't finish them even then - as if they're new then where's the "fun" in face rolling someone who has no idea what they're doing. There's zero fun as there's no challenge.

    If the fun is winning, then time to alter your expectations of wvw or organise your 1v1/2v1 in areas where no-one really goes (and at the extreme, doesn't Obsidian sanctum offer exactly what you're after? Wvw food / mechanics?). The only time I find adds really annoying is when they insta burst you - but you've got to laugh, especially when they all corpse jump/siege you :D

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    "wvw is bad because i cant 1vs1 there"

    it is World Vs World, Not Player Versus Player. If you really wanna do 1vs1 ,then do it in the Obsidian Sanctum, Edge of the Mists or simply in real PvP.

    Also 1vs1 isnt a proper fight. If you cant take on 2-5 players on your own, then its your problem.

  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hard to keep participation up these days so all red is dead.

    Low quality trolling since launch
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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    Did OP just come out as a duelist or accidentally forgot what roaming involves?

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Been solo roaming since 2 months after game went live ( have tried zerg play and smal scale too)
    Now these days ppl seam to trie to ruin any 1v1 or eaven 2 v1.

    When I am running with a zerg we still ignore 1v1 duelists at the usual spots and also solo players and we don't care about them until they try to gank our tail or they try to take objectives we care about.

    So, your generalized statement is an exaggeration.

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    Not sure about NA, but EU still has some guilds which tend to let roamers and duelers do their thing, unless provoked.

    My recommendation would be, try to have a chat with some of the other roamers you know and see if this is a server related issue. Different servers have different roamer mentalities, which can more than trigger other servers. Also make sure to change your guild tag occasionally and try running under a different tag. I can tell you from experience, some guild tags are on the "absolutely kill immediately" list for guilds because those players tend to add in when ever they please, disrupting fights and pulling commanders.

    While that is absolutely part of the game, it will obviously create animosity towards smaller groups of players.

    You reap what you sow.

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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    Not everyone share your reasons to be in WvW. Some are simply not there for solo/smal scale. By attacking them you force them into something they don't like.

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    It’s more fun to ruin your day than for you to ruin mine.

  • Observing etiquette yourself is fine and I'm not here to ruin another player's time, but you do have to keep in mind that there is only one actual rule in WvW: "If it's red, it's dead!"

    Dueling is a thing and many players will respect that if you are away from objectives. But you can't blame enemies for doing what enemies do. That's the game!

  • Chips.7968Chips.7968 Member ✭✭
    edited February 20, 2021

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    I should have added - what you're really after is no downed state. It's the scourge of any outnumbered fight. You have to pray you can last long enough to down them 4 times in x seconds so they just f.... die - because with the amount of aoe condi kitten going around, you'll never be able to cleave / finish the downed as you can no longer pressure the rest while trying, and they can pretty much count on you being near immob to achieve the kill.

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's no respect anymore, people just want the bag.

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  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah missing balance and no alliance caused a massive increase of toxicity, bm and cancerous kitten builds.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i agree with @primatos.5413 , only i do think that balance isn't making sense in Wvw. the mode is naturally unbalanced. think about it.

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    i agree with @primatos.5413 , only i do think that balance isn't making sense in Wvw. the mode is naturally unbalanced. think about it.

    I remember a time when there was not that much builds fighting against makes no sense.. today it is more build vs build than ever i think. This should not be the case in a game like this imo. High risk high reward is long gone.. u can play builds tanky as hell but still dealing lots of damage. Can play builds many other builds can never catch so they keep trolling on an on.. this things i mean should not be the way they are :)

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Game mode actually incentives "helping" others in 1 vs. 1 or even 2 vs. 1 ... becaues of the participation system. If you want to go to the zerg (that is in big battles keeping parcicipation high) but have to move a long way until you reach it (if the commander is far away and you just joined the map) and if you participation is declining ... you'll take everything.

    And a player kill is just the best and easiest opportunity to set the time back to 10:00. I try to tag everything. Even on a downed player almost cleaved down I try to rush in getting 1-2 hits on them.

  • Metzie.3012Metzie.3012 Member ✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @Virdo.1540 said:

    it is World Vs World, Not Player Versus Player. If you really wanna do 1vs1 ,then do it in the Obsidian Sanctum, Edge of the Mists or simply in real PvP.

    Whenever I read or hear something like that, I get a headache (fortunately, it does not happen often).

    World vs World (the mode in general) = WvWvW = Player vs Player (among others).

    Your description or definition is therefore wrong! The difference is only in the scaling or the order of magnitude. And this includes all...!

    GW2 Wiki: World vs. World (also known as WvW) is a game mode combining Player versus Player and Player versus Environment elements.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @Metzie.3012 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:

    it is World Vs World, Not Player Versus Player. If you really wanna do 1vs1 ,then do it in the Obsidian Sanctum, Edge of the Mists or simply in real PvP.

    Whenever I read or hear something like that, I get a headache (fortunately, it does not happen often).

    World vs World (the mode in general) = WvWvW = Player vs Player (among others).

    Your description or definition is therefore wrong! The difference is only in the scaling or the order of magnitude. And this includes all...!

    GW2 Wiki: World vs. World (also known as WvW) is a game mode combining Player versus Player and Player versus Environment elements.

    WvW = Player vs Player is in this case wrong too. World vs World means therefore Players vs players, so just wanting "1vs1" isnt supposed to be a real thing there.

    In War u cant just say "we are just doing 1vs1" either ,without having any other opponents to participate

  • Choppy.4183Choppy.4183 Member ✭✭✭

    I get the frustration and admit to feeling it too when otherwise good fights keep getting interrupted, but it's honestly been part of #roamerlife since launch.

    You can usually pull some duels in the usual spots (some servers are better for this than others), but you'll get more mileage managing your own expectations than hoping other people will adjust their behaviors.

    That being said, the risk of people bombing into my fights, and having to keep an eye out for it, is one of the charms that's kept me roaming instead of spvp for years.

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  • @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    This is for me also the biggest question. Imagine you run with a friend across the map. You find 2 players doing the same. What are these two players doing? Precisely! The run away. If it happens once, ok. I also sometimes dodge fights. But if this happens again and again, one may slowly ask "what the heck am I playing?". It gets weirder when I lose my wing-man and suddenly find myself attacked by the same 2 players who dodged us before.

  • Clownmug.8357Clownmug.8357 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    Multiple possible reasons:

    • Because they don't want to be nagged for not helping their allies if they lose the fight
    • Because they don't want to have potential threats around while doing objectives
    • Because they've had the same experience and don't care anymore
    • Because they feel like their server has been outnumbered most of the matchup
    • Because they zone out while playing and just attack anything that's an enemy
    • Because they've been having a bad day and just want to be able to win a little
  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @gloflop.3510 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    This is for me also the biggest question. Imagine you run with a friend across the map. You find 2 players doing the same. What are these two players doing? Precisely! The run away. If it happens once, ok. I also sometimes dodge fights. But if this happens again and again, one may slowly ask "what the heck am I playing?". It gets weirder when I lose my wing-man and suddenly find myself attacked by the same 2 players who dodged us before.

    The biggest question is why people would ever consider this the biggest question.

    A player in WvW doesnt automatically equal another player no matter how much people believe it.

    There's been plenty of times where I've been running in a 2 man group and meeting 2 enemies that stand no chance, they just get crushed.
    And similarly there's been plenty of times where we've met another 2 man group that we stand no chance at winning against.

    Whether it be the perfect class or build counter combo or if it's skill is completely irrevelevant.

    And yes, of course the groups that we need 4v2 to beat is often the same groups that will whisper and go "boohoo you kitten suck you come fight us with equal numbers you noobs" because people have absolutely zero respect for their own skill.

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    @gloflop.3510 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    This is for me also the biggest question. Imagine you run with a friend across the map. You find 2 players doing the same. What are these two players doing? Precisely! The run away. If it happens once, ok. I also sometimes dodge fights. But if this happens again and again, one may slowly ask "what the heck am I playing?". It gets weirder when I lose my wing-man and suddenly find myself attacked by the same 2 players who dodged us before.

    Idk maybe depends on what classes / builds you run. There's a lot of builds some people just refuse fighting against because they know there's noch chance to win? *cough missing balance *cough

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Honestly, I far prefer seeing the occasional fun 1v1 turn into a lopsided 2v1/1v2 over the thing where an ally just stands there idly while you're locked in combat with some build that absolutely counters or out-sustains yours. The former actually feels like "open-world" gameplay, the latter makes you feel like your teammates don't even want to play anymore.

    (I'll gladly make an exception for the Alpine BL "dueling spot," of course.)

  • Sansar.1302Sansar.1302 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @gloflop.3510 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Why is most so affraid of figths with eqaul numbers in solo/smal scale.

    This is for me also the biggest question. Imagine you run with a friend across the map. You find 2 players doing the same. What are these two players doing? Precisely! The run away. If it happens once, ok. I also sometimes dodge fights. But if this happens again and again, one may slowly ask "what the heck am I playing?". It gets weirder when I lose my wing-man and suddenly find myself attacked by the same 2 players who dodged us before.

    The biggest question is why people would ever consider this the biggest question.

    A player in WvW doesnt automatically equal another player no matter how much people believe it.

    There's been plenty of times where I've been running in a 2 man group and meeting 2 enemies that stand no chance, they just get crushed.
    And similarly there's been plenty of times where we've met another 2 man group that we stand no chance at winning against.

    Whether it be the perfect class or build counter combo or if it's skill is completely irrevelevant.

    And yes, of course the groups that we need 4v2 to beat is often the same groups that will whisper and go "boohoo you kitten suck you come fight us with equal numbers you noobs" because people have absolutely zero respect for their own skill.

    I can understand them, why would they train get good etc if they are blobbed down.
    What is the point in that ?

    i rather get destoyed in 1v1, 2v2 etc than win a 4 vs 3 as winning with more numbers is dumb and realy not a win at all
    imo.

  • Threather.9354Threather.9354 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Adding the claim buff gave randoms the power the beat worse players. And adding watchtower and sentry marking system allowed unaware players to find fights where they can outnumber enemies.

    It is not all bad but it definitely promoted bunkering, blobbing and outnumbering gameplay while destroying things like fair dueling and roaming freedom completely.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    i rather get destoyed in 1v1, 2v2 etc than win a 4 vs 3 as winning with more numbers is dumb and realy not a win at all

    Yeah, you go do you then.

    I'd like to see you meet a melee weaver, condi rev and support scrapper top-of-the-server guild group and still somehow argue that yes, together with xXLegolasXx over there as a core level 72 ranger in green gear and a dog pet as well as HulkBoy on the other side as a hammer firebrand in full soldiers, this is exactly enough numbers to fight them, anything else would be unfair so others should stay away or the fight becomes dumb.

    I find it an absolutely ridiculous statement thats rejecting reality so hard its unbelievable.

    Also, how exactly do you reconcile this line of thought if the fight is 3v4, then the outnumbered kills 2 and the fight become a 3v2. Did it become unfair and the fight is now dumb and not really a win at all if they beat them? How does that even work?

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Funny how in dota 2 and other serious games it's outplaying when you gank enemy 3 vs 1.

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  • Sansar.1302Sansar.1302 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    i rather get destoyed in 1v1, 2v2 etc than win a 4 vs 3 as winning with more numbers is dumb and realy not a win at all

    Yeah, you go do you then.

    I'd like to see you meet a melee weaver, condi rev and support scrapper top-of-the-server guild group and still somehow argue that yes, together with xXLegolasXx over there as a core level 72 ranger in green gear and a dog pet as well as HulkBoy on the other side as a hammer firebrand in full soldiers, this is exactly enough numbers to fight them, anything else would be unfair so others should stay away or the fight becomes dumb.

    I find it an absolutely ridiculous statement thats rejecting reality so hard its unbelievable.

    Also, how exactly do you reconcile this line of thought if the fight is 3v4, then the outnumbered kills 2 and the fight become a 3v2. Did it become unfair and the fight is now dumb and not really a win at all if they beat them? How does that even work?

    As i only play solo meting a grp like that is gonna send me back to respawn (and it does it alot ), in a 1v1 on the otherhand almost only a rly good thief can kill me ( most thiefs are dead b4 they understand what happend )

    Never before have it been so hard to solo and that have nothing to do with ballance only how most dont leave spawn before they have a grp
    and if ppl go out in wvw with bad gear or not fully levled then why not tell them to come back when more prepaird ?

    Wonder why you cant have 6 vs 5 in spvp...

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Been solo roaming since 2 months after game went live ( have tried zerg play and smal scale too)
    Now these days ppl seam to trie to ruin any 1v1 or eaven 2 v1.

    yes, and this is nice. You can try riun something also

    That is also when playing classes that most would not solo roam on.

    you can road on any class what you want

    And before you say go to spvp that is the second game mode i play but it have never been as unrestricted as wvw with build, gear and food that can make realy fun builds in wvw.

    you can still do fun bliud on spvp. It will be fun, but no one guarantee top250.
    I am play on low silver with very fun build, feel good.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Wonder why you cant have 6 vs 5 in spvp...

    No I dont wonder that since sPvP is all about outmanouvering your enemy so you can win points (more often than not by outnumbering them on that point).

    Should we wonder why the winning team never forfeit the match because they are dominating the enemy and a win would be unfair and dumb?

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Sansar.1302Sansar.1302 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Wonder why you cant have 6 vs 5 in spvp...

    No I dont wonder that since sPvP is all about outmanouvering your enemy so you can win points (more often than not by outnumbering them on that point).

    Should we wonder why the winning team never forfeit the match because they are dominating the enemy and a win would be unfair and dumb?

    lol you bend every word , have seen you in other posts seam like you hate fighting yet you are active in a pvp sub board.

    WvW in my mind is only about fighting all else is only flavor and thus we all should aim to have a healty game mode ( and in my mind that should mean that even numbred figths should be the norm not the exeption. all the way from 1v1 to full squad vs full squad. )
    Some deviation ofc, but as some the few last years active try to ruin any fair fight, why?

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sansar.1302 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Wonder why you cant have 6 vs 5 in spvp...

    No I dont wonder that since sPvP is all about outmanouvering your enemy so you can win points (more often than not by outnumbering them on that point).

    Should we wonder why the winning team never forfeit the match because they are dominating the enemy and a win would be unfair and dumb?

    lol you bend every word , have seen you in other posts seam like you hate fighting yet you are active in a pvp sub board.

    WvW in my mind is only about fighting all else is only flavor and thus we all should aim to have a healty game mode ( and in my mind that should mean that even numbred figths should be the norm not the exeption. all the way from 1v1 to full squad vs full squad. )
    Some deviation ofc, but as some the few last years active try to ruin any fair fight, why?

    I enjoy WvW for what it is - the strategical aspect of holding or sieging objectives, the tactical aspect of combat both small and large.

    If you want only fighting then nothing is stopping you. But it doesnt seem like you just want fights, you want fair dueling no matter the size of forces. So I will refer to my original reply far above.

    gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
    A disorderly group of Asura.
    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • kash.9213kash.9213 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sansar.1302 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Sansar.1302 said:
    Wonder why you cant have 6 vs 5 in spvp...

    No I dont wonder that since sPvP is all about outmanouvering your enemy so you can win points (more often than not by outnumbering them on that point).

    Should we wonder why the winning team never forfeit the match because they are dominating the enemy and a win would be unfair and dumb?

    lol you bend every word , have seen you in other posts seam like you hate fighting yet you are active in a pvp sub board.

    WvW in my mind is only about fighting all else is only flavor and thus we all should aim to have a healty game mode ( and in my mind that should mean that even numbred figths should be the norm not the exeption. all the way from 1v1 to full squad vs full squad. )
    Some deviation ofc, but as some the few last years active try to ruin any fair fight, why?

    You're asking a bunch of people to not fight when they see you having a predictable safe duel but somehow you're all about the fights?

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