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manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
edited February 21, 2021 in WvW

I'm a nomal person and like many others I play a competitive game with the hope to win. There is no other sane way to play a game in team than doing your best. Sadly some players are ruining my team anytime we have a chance to reach T1 (and even T2 sometimes). We actually have a team that could win (we are actually in t1 since 2 weeks) but obviously some guilds and players are tanking. This is so frustrating for those doing their best to make a good use of that rare opportunity to win in T1. I feel like the tankers are stealing my money and hard work to reach and win T1. So yeah, guess I'm done trying to win after this week. Bored to waste tactics, time and money in an insane game ruled by losers :(

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  • I just don’t even that much anymore because of this exact reason done by other servers.

    Just another WvW lifer who'll never say die... while dying again and again!

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We're all having so much fun in T2 against the server that "lost" T1 last week.

    Your server isn't tanking this week, you were given a win last week, enjoy your week!

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @HazyDaisy.4107 said:
    We're all having so much fun in T2 against the server that "lost" T1 last week.

    Your server isn't tanking this week, you were given a win last week, enjoy your week!

    Thx for the good laugh! Yeah I had an idea how fun it is in T2.. for BG :P
    And yes many guilds in my team are tanking , and they did last week also but they failed to get us down in t2, all they did was to make sure we didnt win. You know when a tag invite any pugs he see and then doesnt respond to home bl and better like to recap a paper tower in ebg instead.. or when he spend an hour around a paper tower a get nothing done.. they arent even shamed about it, they ask for it in team chat!

  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @manu.7539 said:

    @HazyDaisy.4107 said:
    We're all having so much fun in T2 against the server that "lost" T1 last week.

    Your server isn't tanking this week, you were given a win last week, enjoy your week!

    Thx for the good laugh! Yeah I had an idea how fun it is in T2.. for BG :P
    And yes many guilds in my team are tanking , and they did last week also but they failed to get us down in t2, all they did was to make sure we didnt win. You know when a tag invite any pugs he see and then doesnt respond to home bl and better like to recap a paper tower in ebg instead.. or when he spend an hour around a paper tower a get nothing done.. they arent even shamed about it, they ask for it in team chat!

    To be fair alot of us who tag up just don't like Borderlands. Even Alpine has its issues, EBG is run because its endless combat not spending 15mins crossing a map only for one blob to roll over another in five seconds or less.

    There's been requests many times for more numerous waypoints in the larger maps (without T3 Keeps), but.

    While some guilds do intentionally tank, alot of its just people playing how they want, and when they want, I think.

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  • Henrik.7560Henrik.7560 Member ✭✭✭

    it's just servers like BG and SOS who usually hold top 2 spots in NA, who are boring and unenjoyable to fight because they lack any real fight groups, and its mostly just PPTers or casual groups that will avoid hard fights unless they have a numbers advantage and can easily hold W key. Meanwhile most of the servers with more fight and gvg oriented groups will linger around t2/t3 so people want to be there for better content. Not much anet can really do about it except stop giving BG links which become full every single time :)

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  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    @Henrik.7560 said:
    it's just servers like BG and SOS who usually hold top 2 spots in NA, who are boring

    Boring? We dont have the same feeling about it. Any other NA servers are as challenging as them and challenge isnt boring, its absolutely exciting for me! You want to get better, fight the best not the worst! You'll lose, and lose, and lose until u get mad and find some solutions.

    Dont try to fool me kids, your pale excuses doesnt hide the thruth, you need to grow some balls and fight with honor! For Ascalon! :p

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    About the GvG, its called WvW, not GvG... Ask for GvG maps to ANET but dont ruin my game because ANET doesnt please you. That is just not fair for real WvW fans. You want to GvG get out of WvW then!

  • @manu.7539 said:

    @Henrik.7560 said:
    it's just servers like BG and SOS who usually hold top 2 spots in NA, who are boring

    Boring? We dont have the same feeling about it. Any other NA servers are as challenging as them and challenge isnt boring, its absolutely exciting for me! You want to get better, fight the best not the worst! You'll lose, and lose, and lose until u get mad and find some solutions.

    Dont try to fool me kids, your pale excuses doesnt hide the thruth, you need to grow some balls and fight with honor! For Ascalon! :p

    If you actually want to get good you are playing the wrong gamemode

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 21, 2021

    @lotus.5672 said:
    If you actually want to get good you are playing the wrong gamemode

    I surely can get better and I do but I guess I'm already good! Anyway that wasnt the point at all, I was more talking about the team in general because it's what it should be, its not GvG or me vs X, its WvW and it must be played like a team under WvW rules.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @manu.7539 and, tell me, what do u get for "winning" t1 ppt score? probably less than i get for 1800 kills, since kills fire into Wvw rank (asc box drop options, just lately got a zerker asc weaponbox on rank 2140~), bags (heavy loot bags have chances for ascended mats like deldrimor steel ingot even) and other rare random drops like BLchest keys or precursors.

    these rules u claim to have make no sense at all. there is no honor in ppt, as there's no rewards. it's a nice thing to roleplay, maybe, i don't know.

    guilds carry any bigger fight. without strong guilds, you couldn't defend anything ever. two 20 ppl guildgroups that work well together can push most 50 ppl blobs quite fine.

    if u only had this ppt-lovers on any server, you'd be not going anywhere. you'd be ending up getting spawncamped, bc u cannot win a single fight.

    like, for 1 undefended keep u need 2-3 people that know how to klick their buttons, that's all. lords are crazy weak.

    another point... t1 #1 = staying t1 t1 #2 = staying t1, both get an alpine border at next matchup... so the rewards here are 1:1 the same. bit more pips maybe, but that just fills your monthly participation bar faster. which is either way maxed out after the weekened, if u play a bit and have gold rank or higher.

  • Wow, so much here to talk about.

    @manu.7539 said:
    I'm a nomal person and like many others I play a competitive game with the hope to win.

    WvW isn't, and hasn't been "competitive" in a long time, since before I quit the game actually.

    There is no other sane way to play a game in team than doing your best.

    You have several choices. Join a guild. Don't join a guild. Roam, Havoc, Zerg, Scout. PPT, PPK. When you finally choose how you want to play you'll eventually find out that in WvW you are going to have some matchups where you JUST WON'T HAVE FUN.

    Sadly some players are ruining my team anytime we have a chance to reach T1 (and even T2 sometimes). We actually have a team that could win (we are actually in t1 since 2 weeks) but obviously some guilds and players are tanking.

    The old "Everyone should play how I want to play" argument. You can't get 5 players in sPvP to play the same way but you expect everyone that plays WvW to have the same goals as yourself. Not gonna happen. Never will.

    This is so frustrating for those doing their best to make a good use of that rare opportunity to win in T1.

    Stop worrying about what you can't control, it will do wonders for your mental stability.

    I feel like the tankers are stealing my money and hard work to reach and win T1. So yeah, guess I'm done trying to win after this week. Bored to waste tactics, time and money in an insane game ruled by losers :(

    There's no reason to spend money in WvW:
    WvW gets barely any support from Anet, and seems more like a side project than the "core part" of GW2 it was said to be.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    I dont care about rewards I care to play with a team of players that give their best even of its sometimes not enough to win. I'm enjoy ppk and fights like few others but you cant expect to win without ppt.

    Since only WvW kept me into this game, yes any gems and expansions I bought were for WvW.

    About my mental stability, yes you are right, that drives me crazy to see peoples asking to not win and doing their best to lose while we have a chance to win. That's why I stopped playing WvW. The game I enjoyed the most is ruined by careless peoples so I'm done until something happen to fix that losers mentality.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @manu.7539 said:
    The game I enjoyed the most is ruined by careless peoples so I'm done until something happen to fix that losers mentality.

    You're going to be waiting a long time then, because it only took the players a couple of months back in 2012 to figure out that the best way to "win" the ladder was to stack and play at 5am when everyone else is asleep. Then just guard your own objectives PPT-style when the other two servers play and let them fight each other for the scraps and waste their time chugging through the upgraded objectives you left them.

    NA and EU dealt with this realization differently, with NA's natural night crews only being SEA groups somewhat limited in numbers. So NA actively recruited cross-region to gain more coverage stacks. In EU there was a more sizable early natural influx of Canadians and South Americans due to langage-denoted servers so few people in EU ever bothered recruiting NA groups. This is why NA cares more than EU but also why no one really cares. If you want competetive group play look into the GvG scenes. It may be unsupported by the developers but it is your best bet to feel like you are apart of something that lets you more directly measure up opponents and give you a sense of competition. It's the only places where enough people occassionally do care to give some sense of accomplishment. That is why people keep mentioning that word to you.

    There's no point in harping on about competition where there are not 3+ sides looking to compete and when there are too many obstacles in the way hindering people from trying to compete the way you'd want them to. That has nothing to do with people's attitude and everything to do with ArenaNet's management. You could argue that the game was always meant to be casual but at the end of the day, the ladder is broken, it has been pointed out and given suggested solutions since 2012 and it has not yet been fixed. Casual or not, that is primarily why people do not care.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @subversiontwo.7501 said: That has nothing to do with people's attitude and everything to do with ArenaNet's management.

    Peoples attitude has something to do with it but I agree that the dysfonctionnality of WvW is mostly caused by Anet lack of care about GvGers. Give'em their own things (maps rewards etc) so they leave WvWers do their own. What's the point to have full servers and huge WvW community if we dont cooperate for the same goals: win or do your best at least.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @manu.7539 said:

    @subversiontwo.7501 said: That has nothing to do with people's attitude and everything to do with ArenaNet's management.

    Peoples attitude has something to do with it but I agree that the dysfonctionnality of WvW is mostly caused by Anet lack of care about GvGers. Give'em their own things (maps rewards etc) so they leave WvWers do their own. What's the point to have full servers and huge WvW community if we dont cooperate for the same goals: win or do your best at least.

    Friend, I think you grossly missed my point:

    • The scoring equation is broken (making stacking players in the wrong region at the wrong time and avoiding PPK the most effective)
    • The server population caps are different for different servers (and can be manipulated by exploiting the system while that isn't policed)
    • Even the map caps have a tremendous and volatile effect on players' ability to play (and can also be manipulated with little risk of repercussion)

    Things like that makes people stop caring about the ladder.

    Granted, they should definately give the GvGers a place to effectively GvG in. However, that has nothing to do with the ladder or the divide of PPK and PPT. In fact, I see it quite contrary to how I think you see it. I believe a place to GvG in would make guilds happy, resulting in more guilds being formed that also play on maps and share content by putting up public tags.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    The server population caps are different for different servers (and can be manipulated by exploiting the system while that isn't policed)

    Not to be argumentative, but do you have a source for this?

    I don’t disagree that the population levels are different in each server ( for many reasons)

    But the actual caps? I’ve never heard that. People speculate, but never seen where the caps are different.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    The server population caps are different for different servers (and can be manipulated by exploiting the system while that isn't policed)

    Not to be argumentative, but do you have a source for this?

    I don’t disagree that the population levels are different in each server ( for many reasons)

    But the actual caps? I’ve never heard that. People speculate, but never seen where the caps are different.

    The primary source is Tyler Bearce's old Relinking announcement thread on the old forums. It states that caps are changed based on host-link combinations. Granted, things do no longer have to work like that. It is an old post and there are examples to the contrary. For example, the same post states that there are counter measures against servers trying to dump population by boycotting for a week or two, but recently we have seen servers do that just fine.

    Ed. It should be underlined that the post was made during the Relink beta, so while it does say that those things are in that iteration/patch, it does state that they are looking at alternatives for alot of the information listed there.

    The other issue is more of a rumour, but it is established well enough to be the greatest troll in the history of the WvW forums if it isn't true. That is that BB is kept manually open because it is the only server highlighted with that language definition. So, everyone in EU could transfer there. There may be a source, but I have admittedly just heard so many different players on different servers taking it for granted by now, so I have begun to do so myself. I shouldn't ofc.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    The server population caps are different for different servers (and can be manipulated by exploiting the system while that isn't policed)

    Not to be argumentative, but do you have a source for this?

    I don’t disagree that the population levels are different in each server ( for many reasons)

    But the actual caps? I’ve never heard that. People speculate, but never seen where the caps are different.

    The primary source is Tyler Bearce's old Relinking announcement thread on the old forums. It states that caps are changed based on host-link combinations. Granted, things do no longer have to work like that. It is an old post and there are examples to the contrary. For example, the same post states that there are counter measures against servers trying to dump population by boycotting for a week or two, but recently we have seen servers do that just fine.

    The other issue is more of a rumour, but it is established well enough to be the greatest troll in the history of the WvW forums if it isn't true. That is that BB is kept manually open because it is the only server highlighted with that language definition. So, everyone in EU could transfer there. There may be a source, but I have admittedly just heard so many different players on different servers taking it for granted by now, so I have begun to do so myself. I shouldn't ofc.

    Got it.

    You are likely correct, and we both know that Anet won’t publish actual pop data. I wish they WOULD publish a population hours chart again like the infamous one from a couple years ago. Just with server names, but no actual ‘numbers’.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    The server population caps are different for different servers (and can be manipulated by exploiting the system while that isn't policed)

    Not to be argumentative, but do you have a source for this?

    I don’t disagree that the population levels are different in each server ( for many reasons)

    But the actual caps? I’ve never heard that. People speculate, but never seen where the caps are different.

    The primary source is Tyler Bearce's old Relinking announcement thread on the old forums. It states that caps are changed based on host-link combinations. Granted, things do no longer have to work like that. It is an old post and there are examples to the contrary. For example, the same post states that there are counter measures against servers trying to dump population by boycotting for a week or two, but recently we have seen servers do that just fine.

    The other issue is more of a rumour, but it is established well enough to be the greatest troll in the history of the WvW forums if it isn't true. That is that BB is kept manually open because it is the only server highlighted with that language definition. So, everyone in EU could transfer there. There may be a source, but I have admittedly just heard so many different players on different servers taking it for granted by now, so I have begun to do so myself. I shouldn't ofc.

    Got it.

    You are likely correct, and we both know that Anet won’t publish actual pop data. I wish they WOULD publish a population hours chart again like the infamous one from a couple years ago. Just with server names, but no actual ‘numbers’.

    I would like to see that too, I enjoyed that slope and it put things into perspective for alot of people. It really showed how big the differences were.

    At the same time, I don't know which region you play in, but I am almost exclusively on EU and here there are so many nomadic communities now that they are becomming norm and the server populations changes quite drastically every relink. The few remaining popular commanders and guilds have so much attraction that they will completely empty out or fill up a server over a single weekly update. Other servers are almost entirely carried by single guilds by now, so that guild can make the server implode as a server. Those are some of the realities the "server identity" people here on the forums do not see.

  • @manu.7539 said:

    @Henrik.7560 said:
    it's just servers like BG and SOS who usually hold top 2 spots in NA, who are boring

    Boring? We dont have the same feeling about it. Any other NA servers are as challenging as them and challenge isnt boring, its absolutely exciting for me! You want to get better, fight the best not the worst! You'll lose, and lose, and lose until u get mad and find some solutions.

    Dont try to fool me kids, your pale excuses doesnt hide the thruth, you need to grow some balls and fight with honor! For Ascalon! :p

    TBH, I've fought with both servers and recently been linked to one of them, and they are boring to fight. It's not about skill for either server, it's about numbers. Both servers have plenty of off hour support which inflates their points when few people play, and I don't feel like getting up at all hours of the night/early morning just to find their real groups to fight. During NA both servers have very few groups to actually fight outside of large blobs. As a result, if you see an objective being contested and try to defend you don't really get a fight and you run over with your guild group, the pug attacking force sees your group and scatters. You might get one or maybe two stragglers, but no real fight. You try to take an objective? All those pugs you just ran off build a ton of siege and you have to sit there and wait until they run out of supply and try to not die under the siege that was never balanced down to loss of damage and sustain in last year's balance patches. It's incredibly boring for NA. Very few groups 20-30 people in size to fight. So, if you're in a server with several guild groups of 15-25 people in squad, it gets very boring to either be run over by the 50-60 man pug tag that just target caps all your skills making sure no one ever takes full damage, or you drag your group of 20 to every contested objective only to watch what you thought was a decent size group run away. It's not very engaging, as you rarely kill many enemies and objectives don't change hands all that often so in both PPK and PPT facing BG or SoS in NA is really boring.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    TBH, I've fought with both servers and recently been linked to one of them, and they are boring to fight. It's not about skill for either server, it's about numbers. Both servers have plenty of off hour support which inflates their points when few people play, and I don't feel like getting up at all hours of the night/early morning just to find their real groups to fight. During NA both servers have very few groups to actually fight outside of large blobs. As a result, if you see an objective being contested and try to defend you don't really get a fight and you run over with your guild group, the pug attacking force sees your group and scatters. You might get one or maybe two stragglers, but no real fight. You try to take an objective? All those pugs you just ran off build a ton of siege and you have to sit there and wait until they run out of supply and try to not die under the siege that was never balanced down to loss of damage and sustain in last year's balance patches. It's incredibly boring for NA. Very few groups 20-30 people in size to fight. So, if you're in a server with several guild groups of 15-25 people in squad, it gets very boring to either be run over by the 50-60 man pug tag that just target caps all your skills making sure no one ever takes full damage, or you drag your group of 20 to every contested objective only to watch what you thought was a decent size group run away. It's not very engaging, as you rarely kill many enemies and objectives don't change hands all that often so in both PPK and PPT facing BG or SoS in NA is really boring.

    Winning in T1 require a better cooperation. If you fight a blob bigger than yours then you must build one of the same size, thats what we did at the last reset evening. After our main blob lost alot of fights roamers joined them for a last one and we won that fight. Same about roaming, you cant roam easily solo in T1 then the obvious solution is to join other roamers. Individualy BG and SoS players arent better than any other. SoS and BG are just not as stuck as other servers with many toxic guilds and players who dont want to cooperate for the win.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @manu.7539 strong guild groups of 20-25 can alone wipe blobs of 50-60 people. the ppt gets done by small ppl groups or single ppl. most people don't commit to this "hardcare ppt" mentality, bc it's boring and stale. of course, everyone starts alike, bc that's what seems to be the "aim". but the only reward is that u get unlinked and struggle to get out of t5 in the end, if u ppt too crazy.

    winning t1 is just 24/7 player number coverage, at the very off times, even 20 ppl groups are "big". and some servers have zergs even till very late night. like really, the "win" in tier one requires absolutely nothing other than that, really. our server been for years #1 ppt in tier one of EU, and this only destroyed the whoel server. big parts of the community wandered off, and ppt-hungry newbies took their places. by now it lost any identity it once had, and most people that originally been here (talking about ~3 years past from now)

    @Valelutra.9128 sounds more like the problem, that guilds often don't work together too well. comms are all a bit special, and i see a lot of guild commanders who heavily overestimate their groups, despite getting farmed over and over by groups triple their size, openfield. (the 20v60 win only works if u stealthpush, kite off, full disengage, and repeat, takes a while and a lot of fast AoE damage + cleaving downed)

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    "ppt-hungry newbies took their places. by now it lost any identity it once had, and most people that originally been here (talking about ~3 years past from now)"

    Ok what if I tell you I'm mithril so not a noob who can only ppt to help his team. I enjoy fights and I didnt see many players as aggressive as me but still, I do my scouting rounds, defend camps and yaks etc. You can have the best kdr and the best fighting guilds you will never win or be competitive without a good balance between fighting and ppting. So please, be respectful for those you called noobs just because they are ppting, they are just the best peoples you can meet in this game, these guys are sacrifying their own fun for the team.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i meant new players simply. the hardcore ppters of old are very few, they just do what they always did. but people burnt out from this kind of playstyle, which was the official reason Anet provided for not making Wvw-tournaments anymore afaik.

    nobody should be " sacrificing their own fun for the team"... okay, we roleplay war, but this isn't that serious in the end. we also ppt, if we want another matchup next week, but that gets discussed in the discord. people who don't participate in the servermeetings just don't "vote". if they can argue, about "why" ppt, then it'd be another thing.

    the whole ppt system isn't competitive anyways. it's about the biggest off-time crews. but it's always only for 2 months = one link duration anyways. if u motivate your ppl to become extremly active in ppt, you lose your link for the next 2months following and as unlinked, you cannot get over t4 or t3 max.

  • It can appear your team is good and can cut it in the big leagues. Then they get rolled hard when up against skilled players. They have learned their lesson and stay away from competition. Stick to the RP and enjoy your fun discord talks.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    just that tiers have absolutely nothing to do with "skill". the old ppt commanders that have mostly quit the game anyways after gliders, mounts have been added, EotM killed and tournaments ceased, are still good fighters.

    ranks have also only partly, ofc, since in earlier days there been bugs to abuse which allowed you to farm a lot of free ranks and free "ultimate dominator" title.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    It looks like my team is doing good enough to stay in T1 next week. I'm so proud of their tenacity I guess I wont resist to jump back into WvW! Lets keep our crying babies in T1 another week! I'll dont have the satisfaction to win T1 but it will be just as satisfying!

    For Ascalon! :D

  • Noah Salazar.5430Noah Salazar.5430 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021

    yeh kinda dueler schold kill dps

    as dps schold stay in back or not draw much attention

    dps is good to play if you have duo that will cc target for you, or kinda be your shield (your dueler)

    then you draw your full potential as glasscannon

    you never 1vs1 as dps as it's not your role

    dps is like "support" to dueler

    dueler is 1/2 dps and 1/2 tank mosty win vs you as he can sustain your dmg in 1vs1 scenario
    but dueler can't burst you like dps with 1-2 abilits, he need fight you a bit

    dueler is importent role in group fights as well, as his first who will charge enemy geting all shoots in his face, alowing you (dps) take less hits as enemys will use all his cd on him, and allows you come close to enemy initiating fight

    if ther was only dps roles, kinda first enemy who will charge will lose as that person will be crossfired be multiple ppl

    and before you say anythink here is my rank, as dueler scrapper achived solo (eu)

    but i also agree with you, if thers too many duelers, as group your dmg will be low and you lose

  • SWI.4127SWI.4127 Member ✭✭✭

    Is it the players' fault or is the system broken? Why is the top of the ladder consistently the most boring place to be in this game mode? How is that good for a "competitive" game mode (yes I know WvW is super casual, but the point stands). T1 in this game does not mean better, it means those servers have the best off-hours coverage. BG with their SEA blobs and SoS with their OCX blobs. For people who play in NA time, that means there will be very little content when they play, and thus, they don't want to play in that tier and have no content for an entire week (at least). Maybe if scoring was changed a bit to actually reward fighting and action rather than ticking structures, things would improve. Maybe if there was actually a point to winning, things would improve. As of now, I don't understand how anyone even cares about winning in this game mode anymore unless they are new to it.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    @SWI.4127 said:
    Is it the players' fault or is the system broken? Why is the top of the ladder consistently the most boring place to be in this game mode? How is that good for a "competitive" game mode (yes I know WvW is super casual, but the point stands). T1 in this game does not mean better, it means those servers have the best off-hours coverage. BG with their SEA blobs and SoS with their OCX blobs. For people who play in NA time, that means there will be very little content when they play, and thus, they don't want to play in that tier and have no content for an entire week (at least). Maybe if scoring was changed a bit to actually reward fighting and action rather than ticking structures, things would improve. Maybe if there was actually a point to winning, things would improve. As of now, I don't understand how anyone even cares about winning in this game mode anymore unless they are new to it.

    So many people claim its boring and blah blah blah but the thruth is most servers are just not smart enough to cooperate together as T1 servers do. Some guilds claim to be fighting guilds but they'll never accept the challenge to attack a BG keep. So yeah, enjoy t4 and the fights against the weakest like any stupid bullies would do but dont claim to be fighters, you're not.

  • SWI.4127SWI.4127 Member ✭✭✭

    Attacking a keep doesn't suddenly create guilds to fight, I'm not sure what you mean. Not interested in standing in siege or farming unorganized pugs in a keep. T4 is pretty bad and usually has a dead server or two. T2 or T3 is usually the sweet spot.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So has the ocx swarm on SoS been struggling all this time to get above t2?
    Is that what all the silly crowing has been about the last two weeks?
    Are you guys gonna have a mental breakdown when relinks happen and you're back to obscurity land?

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • every server does that stuff though to defend keeps.

  • @manu.7539 said:
    I dont care about rewards I care to play with a team of players that give their best even of its sometimes not enough to win. I'm enjoy ppk and fights like few others but you cant expect to win without ppt.

    Since only WvW kept me into this game, yes any gems and expansions I bought were for WvW.

    About my mental stability, yes you are right, that drives me crazy to see peoples asking to not win and doing their best to lose while we have a chance to win. That's why I stopped playing WvW. The game I enjoyed the most is ruined by careless peoples so I'm done until something happen to fix that losers mentality.

    I stopped playing WvW too. My server used to often have ppl saying things like don't ppt, we don't want to go xtier, you going to get x server, I only go there for fast daily do some stuffs I like, roam the red borderland, maybe steal a few camps or if someone is attacking a keep and I think they gonna succeed would I bother to go join. Otherwise I will PvE and get more stuffs for MYSELF. I've been playing/helping my server often with 0 tier for progression and getting ridicule all the time while never getting to the last reward chest. I simply gave up, happier and more fun for me, people only care about own important. The earlier you realize this the better, I got stuck there thinking it would change for years. I see the situation getting worse and worse.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    Just had a great day in T1, you guys dont know what you are missing!

    @SweetPotato.7456 If you let the tankers convince you with all their false arguments and insults then u are screwed. I stand up for what I believe and my server over time stopped tanking, well very most of it,. It takes time, lots of drama, some guilds leave etc but at the end it feels good to be part of a team doing is best and care for each other ;)

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    i'm even transfering out of t1 , bc it's after all dead boring. and our open ppt tag runs for like eight to twelve hours on some days... and another one bandwagoned to the server lately even. ppt is just out of hand, if the score would mean anything, they would need to limit the off-hour ppt score worth.

    (sadly cannot fight the posters here, since in EU... but it seems the issues are the same. absurd ppt by all the newbies and old newbies, who believe dpsclouds, supported by extrastats and siege are fun to attack into... or offhour-ppt-swarms. currently, EU has probably a stronger t1 even, still is the epitome of "no content"... people gone on weekend fighting into EotM overflow maps bc the other servers started straight clouding everywhere. and clouds in blobsize are just equally boring and way more toxic to way more players than tanking ppt could ever be, i feel.

    @manu.7539 u'll just ruin your server in the end... it may get stuck in tier 1, but that's not hard since nobody really wants to be there, just don't complain afterwards if a unlink happens, or if u get a very small link, which sorta kills any hope of big ppt score.

    certain people (guess who i refer to) provide a good farm, but siege cannot win u a battle. if a fighting blob would be interesting in taking your precious keeps, it would do that. of course, smaller guild groups won't be able to, if u have a cloud of 50-60 full dps pew pewing from the walls, suicide bombing into siege and using a ton of siege themselves constantly... then again, at this point nobody would tryhard about it.

    @SweetPotato.7456 i'm not sure what point u try to make there? participation is rather easy to get, even without tryharding at least on monday or tuesday u should have it. participation only needs to stay over 4 for this. u get participation of anything by just killing a single npc outside a keep, if your group flips it afterwards etc..

    there's enough helping sites for builds and infos about mechanics online, so i'm not sure what the big problem is. ppt is a bad participation provider anyways, flipping camps and sentries is only good for bridging participation (so it doesn't drop if a tag makes 5-10min break or hasn't started yet etc)

  • Master Ketsu.4569Master Ketsu.4569 Member ✭✭✭✭

    In all seriousness this is a design flaw in WvW. "Winning" means far too little in the game mode, to the point where people would rather lose than be put up against a Zerg server as the "reward" for winning. I would not be surprised at all if a major rework of WvW is planned for EoD.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    "nobody really wants to be there"

    Oh really? haha, commun argumentation but then explain me why people are bandwagoning with bg, sos and any server trying to compete for T1?

    And again, dont try to fool me kids, there is some real WvW fans who only paid and ask to play it by WvW rules. PPTing isnt just an insignificant part of the game, it require strategy and cooperation between any players. Its not a guild thing, its a team thing. You want to GvG in WvW and just dont respect those players who paid to play WvW, not GvG! You dont have the right to ask us to lose, its OUR game, not yours!

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @manu.7539 said:
    Just had a great day in T1

    Couldn't agree more
    7.02 kdr for mag right now.
    xD

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @manu.7539 said:
    Just had a great day in T1

    Couldn't agree more
    7.02 kdr for mag right now.
    xD

    haha, nice then, but you'll be back in t2 soon anyway :P

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    Honestly I like the creativity of mag to generate fights, must be fun but at the end of the week, whatever your nice kdr if you dont ppt you lose.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @LetoII.3782 looks like maguuma is that one server that has some guilds that can fight, but not too many as well. the greens and blues in this matchup look a bit like lemmings... that is simply their classy t1 ppt behaviour these days... "drown them in bodies! for nothing and nothing, but we'll do it bc we think we win anything that way while irl we only provide them a way better farm than they'll ever know!"

    however, notsure which site u use for kdR count. it's the highest in the matchup, but not that big (unless that was kdR in like 1 specific hour) - and after gw2mists, also only positive kdR in EBG (while RBG isn't that bad either)

    @manu.7539
    try to read the argumentation line then.

    crazy ppt leads to unlinked, transfers off of strong fighting people and to dying servers.

    nothing tells better than Desolation, the server been #1 in t1 for years, until people decided to break this boring system. (legit, when i started playing, i was confused to be not green color as we got #2 once in several weeks)

    about eight guilds left, few others dissolved, within the last three years. ppt'ers make the biggest population now and expect to be carried by the few remaining players.


    this "MY game, not YOUR game" mentality is weird. i rarely read this that directly like here. unless u own the company "Arenanet", then no, it's not your game. and wdym, you paid for it? everyone who has the expansions did sorta pay for it, some even bought the core game back then. some even buy gems now and then, idk.

    active guilds provide content, on all sides. and they don't waste space really since playtime/hours count. ergo, you have no point, and u repeat that "no point" a bit too stoically.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2021

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:

    try to read the argumentation line then.

    crazy ppt leads to unlinked, transfers off of strong fighting people and to dying servers.

    nothing tells better than Desolation, the server been #1 in t1 for years, until people decided to break this boring system. (legit, when i started playing, i was confused to be not green color as we got #2 once in several weeks)

    about eight guilds left, few others dissolved, within the last three years. ppt'ers make the biggest population now and expect to be carried by the few remaining players.


    this "MY game, not YOUR game" mentality is weird. i rarely read this that directly like here. unless u own the company "Arenanet", then no, it's not your game. and wdym, you paid for it? everyone who has the expansions did sorta pay for it, some even bought the core game back then. some even buy gems now and then, idk.

    active guilds provide content, on all sides. and they don't waste space really since playtime/hours count. ergo, you have no point, and u repeat that "no point" a bit too stoically.

    What can I say, u keep saying about the same lines, I stand my ground and thats it. Tankers are worst than leechers, the only way to push them out is to force them to play in T1. Tanking also lead to transfers for those expecting some real competition with a real WvW server. Like it or not, admit it or not, GvG isnt WvW. I wouldnt care so much if you guys come in WvW but at least dont ask us to lose, or worst working to make us lose just because for a couple of week your GvG will be harder. And not talking about all of those snubbing ppters like if we were a bunch of noobs who doesnt understand the game.

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    And btw ppters doesnt exist, They are WvWers, they fights and enjoy fights like any others, they just play the game as it is.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wvw is the whole mode. every thing that exists within it counts towards that. just because u think what u fantasized together there, those aren't the rules.

    people don't tank to get easier matchups... tier one is literally the lowest skillgrade. people "tank" to get the matchups with similar amounts of guilds to fight, and promising, challenging fights, to improve their skills at fighting coordinated. guilds want good fights, not chasing cloudy blobs of roamerclasses.

    yes, ppt'ers do exist. and everyone knows that.

    "Tankers are worst than leechers, the only way to push them out is to force them to play in T1."
    ... tankers (who don't play so u get farmed over and over bc u cannot defend objectives) are ... leechers (those who let other people do the work and jump into a keep the last second... a 99% only jokingly used term)? that totally makes sense. yeah, no. not really.

    "GvG isnt WvW"... erm, Wvw contains GvG.. probably yet since the very first months.

    " Tanking also lead to transfers for those expecting some real competition with a real WvW server. "
    nah, the transfers into t1 are called bandwagoning for a reason. people transfer there to farm very active masses of players who run no proper builds. guilds rather avoid to transfer into t1, bc ur stuck there usually for several weeks. ppt'ers transfer sometimes every relink to a t1 server or link, because they have some weird illusions about "winning ppt is life".

  • manu.7539manu.7539 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    Wvw is the whole mode. every thing that exists within it counts towards that. just because u think what u fantasized together there, those aren't the rules.

    people don't tank to get easier matchups... tier one is literally the lowest skillgrade. people "tank" to get the matchups with similar amounts of guilds to fight, and promising, challenging fights, to improve their skills at fighting coordinated. guilds want good fights, not chasing cloudy blobs of roamerclasses.

    yes, ppt'ers do exist. and everyone knows that.

    "Tankers are worst than leechers, the only way to push them out is to force them to play in T1."
    ... tankers (who don't play so u get farmed over and over bc u cannot defend objectives) are ... leechers (those who let other people do the work and jump into a keep the last second... a 99% only jokingly used term)? that totally makes sense. yeah, no. not really.

    "GvG isnt WvW"... erm, Wvw contains GvG.. probably yet since the very first months.

    " Tanking also lead to transfers for those expecting some real competition with a real WvW server. "
    nah, the transfers into t1 are called bandwagoning for a reason. people transfer there to farm very active masses of players who run no proper builds. guilds rather avoid to transfer into t1, bc ur stuck there usually for several weeks. ppt'ers transfer sometimes every relink to a t1 server or link, because they have some weird illusions about "winning ppt is life".

    Your about to write a book! Its ok, dont spend your life here, I already said what I had to. Keep on convincing urself if u want I'm gone :persevere:

  • Wvw so boring in the end u win nothing

  • People tank because they lose the 20v30 fights... sad. They want to go back to kitten-land where they can carry their buddies with their super cool rotations.

  • Hesione.9412Hesione.9412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @displayname.8315 said:
    People tank because they lose the 20v30 fights... sad. They want to go back to kitten-land where they can carry their buddies with their super cool rotations.

    In this, which side is tanking: the people in the 20 side or the people in the 30 side?