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Hey guys, just transferring from NA. Which server on EU has a good amount of guilds organised with Discord? I am more into guild vs guild fights (blobbing) than PPT. I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

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  • Naxos.2503Naxos.2503 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You could try joining a link server (Aka, a server too small to be on it's own under any circumstances) The downside of it is that you cant predict with whom you'll be paired with, and you may just have uphill battles number wise depending on the pair. On the upside, it keep things fresh since even if you find yourself in a bad matchup, you'll eventually get out of it. You may also find what each server is actually like and how well they manage.

    Used to be, link servers were kind of looked down upon for being more of a dead weight than anything, but some fight guilds established their home on it, and larger servers came to have a bit more respect toward them as a result. Now it feels more like being a mercenary of sort, joining a side for an extended period of time, and eventually facing off against a past ally.

    On a completely different note : Mind that servers have peak hours and low hours : you may just have logged in several times during your past servers low hours and thus not seen anyone on. Peak hours vary from server to server, but when it comes to EU, it is mostly early evening to just before midnight.

  • Do you do backline golems?

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tornjak.6425 said:
    Do you do backline golems?

    Dont be ridiculous.

    Golems are frontline.

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    "The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"

  • Piken and Deso have both guilds. One can well argue about their qualities but seeing no guild at all is a tiny bit strange. My guess is that Naxos asked the right question about the time of the day when you are playing. Guilds are normally raiding between 8pm and 10 pm CET (2pm-4 pm US East Coast).

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead.

    Somebody drank the EU koolaid

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  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe they all just using hidden tags so that random pugs dont join them and 'spoil their fun'...

  • Junkpile.7439Junkpile.7439 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Baruch bay. They often have 3 guilds inside map blob. B)

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  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2021

    You should join the server community discords, if you want to find out when a voice commander tags up, but on Deso we also use Arborstone's own discord, where they usually lead in french.

    Otherwise, most of us are tired of T1, but we might drop this week, watch this space.

    Desolation WvW Main for 9 years.

  • @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead.

    Somebody drank the EU koolaid

    Had to, average ping dropped by 50-80 by moving to EU.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead.

    Somebody drank the EU koolaid

    average ping dropped by 50-80 by moving to EU.

    O.o
    Oh, wow. Mind revealing which region you live in?

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • well, good people move to GH. Just saying.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anything but a german server should be ok..

  • @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I am more into guild vs guild fights (blobbing) than PPT. I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    Desolation is currently trying to tank and drop down a tier, meaning a many players are going to play other stuff and not much anybody tags up. Seems to be working well, as both enemy servers just focus on us, thus a guaranteed loss for us. :)

    Numbers can come up once we reach a tier, where we are not that outnumbered.

    Desolation hasn't had that much WvWvW specific guilds for ages. In other words those guilds migrated already long time ago and most just disbanded after leaving.

    Even when were "full" last time, barely any queues. Even if a 1 or 2 guilds would move to Desolation I doubt we can create queue to more than 1 map. I cannot comment reset as I almost never play Friday reset.

    Ayna

    Ayna / Deniara
    Desolation [EU]

  • @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead.

    Somebody drank the EU koolaid

    average ping dropped by 50-80 by moving to EU.

    O.o
    Oh, wow. Mind revealing which region you live in?

    I live in U.K. Not only has the average ping dropped by that much, but the "normal" lag spikes you get with 3 zergs on the map don't happen as much for me now - and they aren't as bad. Only problem is T1 EU (moved to Piken Square) is nothing like T1 NA. Not to trash talk but many, many PVE players fill the WvW maps and do not want to push or fight. It's very hard without a tag to get any coordination - even with a tag it's still difficult. :/ Might go back to NA...seems like better players overall in WvW.

  • gloflop.3510gloflop.3510 Member ✭✭

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I live in U.K. Not only has the average ping dropped by that much, but the "normal" lag spikes you get with 3 zergs on the map don't happen as much for me now - and they aren't as bad. Only problem is T1 EU (moved to Piken Square) is nothing like T1 NA. Not to trash talk but many, many PVE players fill the WvW maps and do not want to push or fight. It's very hard without a tag to get any coordination - even with a tag it's still difficult. :/ Might go back to NA...seems like better players overall in WvW.

    I can confirm your observations. The current state of EU T1 is a bit strange. Many casual players are around. It is a bit better if you are lower in tiers but the average player changed. If it is better on a NA-server is beyond me. The ping will definetly go up.

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 6, 2021

    Yeah piken currently in t1 wasn't the best choice, even arborstone if they lead in french has a decent amount of open tags and guild raids.

    Being in t1 too long, tends to bring more fairweathers wvwers, but also t1 has a ton of clouds and roamers.

    Unless you can get a proper organized squad together, with vets or people in current WvW guilds, it's even almost impossible to fight a decent cloud these days, not that you should want to fight one.

    Desolation WvW Main for 9 years.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead.

    Somebody drank the EU koolaid

    average ping dropped by 50-80 by moving to EU.

    O.o
    Oh, wow. Mind revealing which region you live in?

    I live in U.K. Not only has the average ping dropped by that much, but the "normal" lag spikes you get with 3 zergs on the map don't happen as much for me now - and they aren't as bad.

    Well, that's not a surprise really. Even light takes a moment to cross the Atlantic.

    seems like better players overall in WvW.

    I'm sure the nerd rage radiating from your neighbors is saving you a ton this winter xD

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  • @gloflop.3510 said:
    >
    I can confirm your observations. The current state of EU T1 is a bit strange. Many casual players are around. It is a bit better if you are lower in tiers but the average player changed. If it is better on a NA-server is beyond me. The ping will definetly go up.

    Yeah the ping was very high - but now I don't bother playing WvW mostly because the state of the players really is that bad overall :/ I think I will have to transfer back to NA.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can tell you which servers to avoid as they're dead no good guild presense or pugs : Ring Of Fire - Riverside...

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    FoW :) bunch of NA players there.

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  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2021

    No offence Morphman, but NA from what I've heard, i highly doubt NA is that much different either.

    Like on here a server in the EU with a high pug population, we do encourage new players, who are willing to learn and join discord, but the fact is, there is a large pug population, that would rather follow a chatmander or ktrain commander, so you end up with a squad who brings sub-optimal builds or classes during or just after prime time, especially during the weekends; where there is alot of fights against organized groups.

    Desolation WvW Main for 9 years.

  • Khenzy.9348Khenzy.9348 Member ✭✭✭

    Baruch Bay for sure, if you don't mind the possible lenguage barrier.

    [Bros]

  • @Morphman.6312 said:
    You should go back to NA. I used to play from 2012-2015 in wvw all the time in EU. Stopped due to severe burn out. Came back in 2020 to see what was happening. The state of EU wvw has really changed, it's such a bad environment now, the elitism is off the charts. Don't get me wrong, there was plenty of elitism back when GW2 first came out. But back then, there was server pride and a community to set some sort of server foundation which relied on public commanders helping to coordinate and train pugs. However now, the guilds really do think they're gods gift to mankind and it is no longer an environment for a new player, let alone a new person to join the community

    The reason you're seeing a lot of "Pve" players is because:
    1) you joined the latest bandwagon, there are no proper communities in EU wvw anymore, there are only wandering guilds, wandering pugs and static pugs. If there are communities, they are tiny and the large majority of them are not loyal and will login to their alt accounts at the first sign of losing or if they get wiped
    2) every time these guilds create the latest bandwagon server, they snap up all of the semi-hardcore/hardcore players from that server and then these players are only seen with their guild and don't care for playing under a public tag again because the elitism of the guild they joined rubs off on them
    3) Once more bandwagoners find out where the next great server is, they'll flood it. Guilds complain that people have followed them over. Massive queues happen. Guilds leave with the players they sucked up

    Rinse and repeat and you'll see the issue and you'll see why playing without a guild absolutely sucks. There's no proper community guilds to get involved with because there is no loyalty, the players who have some commander potential are just being taught to enjoy fights and not fighting for the server, nobody is training new commanders, there's no incentive to bother to become a pug commander - even when some people try to tag up publicly, they just get yelled at by toxic guild members and elitists for taking up precious space, nobody is training pugs to become better. Pugs just get called pve players and get tricked into changing maps so that guilds can fit their very average players in. Maybe these things happen in NA as well. I'm just speaking from my experience after returning.

    Ive gone on a bit of a tangent but while it can and should be blamed on the players, really, the majority of the blame lies with anet. They really messed up. This game mode had great potential but they've ruined it with their stale decision making and it's now rotting.

    Yeah, I am definitely picking up this vibe on Piken Square at least. I am finding even if there is an open tag in quiet hours, a lot of the people on the map won't follow it or co-ordinate. The issue with poor builds is a big problem too. I think I really liked HoD because it does have a stable community feel - some of the players I bump into I have seen around for the last 5 years. I guess that's the most important thing for me - server loyalty and the people make it WvW more fun. I didn't realise some of my friends in Singapore playing on HoD have a 200-300 avg ping! Makes my 80-150 avg not too bad I guess.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    piken is probably not one of the examples u want to be on currently tho. tier 1 in EU is really bad currently. the link systems' casulties grow with each relink.

    and i am pretty sure that NA is the same thing, from what u see on NA wvw streams. we even have NA guilds here in EU by now. one of them brought a 14 ppl condisquad with a superweird setup. good for 14v5 but horrible against serious competition. further, there's been NA guilds in EU for quite some time, zerging through our nighttimes.

    poor builds are just a general problem. the mode became partly extremly casual.

    server loyalty is a joke, since most servers contain barely anyone from the original server population. i started gw2 in january 2019, and i swapped servers one week ago. reason was, more people that i knew from Wvw transferred off anyways. i just yesterday found an old vet on the server i transferred to, who before was on my first ever server thaha.

    guilds have loyalty and identity, in a far higher level than servers do.

    @Morphman.6312
    also, the 1) bandwagon happens bc the links are sometimes so bad that the guilds transfer off, so u don't have to stay t5 or t1 forever. then the open spots get filled by more ppt-hungry people. who karmatrain and blob down camps and play for 14 hours a day.

    the 2) is also not really true. guild players do play with public tags, just chatmanders usually don't work if they try to go against overnumbers without voice. any voice tag usually gets a sorta solid comp, but often the map caps are reached and u get not more than 30/70 ppl to join either way. and that's not the guilds players' fault, no server has that many guilds even.
    often the guilds run hiddentag also, ofc they won't join opentags during closed g-raids.
    next, guild isn't guild. hardcore guilds kinda know who to join, and if one com wipes three times in a row on similar spots without adapting, likely they will avoid him. some other people are just... people. sometimes u might not feel like joining a tag.
    (and most guilds aren't hardcore by any means. often it's some good, many average and quite some casual players... the good guilds are usually known and widely feared)

    the 3) is another problem with the link system. yeah, ppl follow guilds, even guilds follow guilds. bc strong fighting cores make a server strong. not everyone like the big ppt-farmers worlds, many transfer off to not be stuck with those. strong ("hardcore") players stick together, because it is incredibly frustrating to fight with people who use random stuff, are immune to any advice and just expect to have a pvE train experience or just type "i'm just here for gift of battle" etc

    my last server tried for years to train people, but too many don't care. they want to play pew pew ranger and thieves or whatever they have, so they do. the structure of the format is highly outdated since it hasn't changed for longer than i play even. no format balances, only class nerfs called "balance" sofar. kills would need to count way more, to make people play more serious builds, i guess.


    so please, don't blame guilds for a broken system, that shoulda been fixed since many years. Alliances is by now more a meme than anything else, and was announced in ~2017 ...

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I must say I find it hilarious that people keep downplaying Piken as a bad server, when together with WSR they remain heavily stacked with actual good players.

    Because they're not killing people with their charming personalties, thats for sure.

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  • @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    Hey guys, just transferring from NA. Which server on EU has a good amount of guilds organised with Discord? I am more into guild vs guild fights (blobbing) than PPT. I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    Hi there, I just made the mistake of using my free transfer when upgrading expansion as a european home based player to transfer from US Anvil Rock to EU Ring of fire and wish I hadn't bothered. My main motivations were the 'myth' of a better ping/play performance, (I have since found out not any appreciable difference with testing) and also wanted less very late playing times into early hours because of time difference. I was having very active time on AR, plenty of open tags each day but could not compare with EU servers because you can only 'guest play' in your geographical area, this seems stupidly restrictive. Now I have spent my free transfer I find on ROF and guesting on EU servers is like ppl say in this thread 'eletist guilds' and groups that flatly ignore you and are not willing to take new members on, only experienced one open tag in a week of daily play, compared to 2 or 3 on AR I could join in with, and I was once told very rudely to get the ... away from the tag on the EU server. So feel very unwelcome on ROF not in the spirit of Guild Wars at all, other EU servers could be better up the charts, but probably full and it has put me off EU anyhow, there is also no good info on where is good to play. Now I will definately transfer back to a US server as players are much friendlier and more helpful, its just sad I now have to pay for my 'mistake' but like I said not having the 'across the pond' guest option is just unfair IMHO. My question now to the forum is if I don't go back to AR. could anyone say they had a good experience or could recommend a US server to me with open tags and good gameplay, hope my input is of use and thanks for any feedback, all the best folks, and thanks for reading.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khenzy.9348 said:
    Baruch Bay for sure, if you don't mind the possible lenguage barrier.

    OP said he likes fights.. That is about the opposite of what BB does..

  • Grand Marshal.4098Grand Marshal.4098 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 28, 2021

    When looking for wvw activity that suits the "normal" level, you don't go in a main T1 server LMAO. Everyone and their grandmother knows that EU WvW is far better in T2 and T3. Depending on the MUs. As a guild member in FSP, I enjoy T2 more than I ever will T1. And again, T3 is sometimes better.

    RoF has some fighting guilds iirc, FSP is more casual but still has plenty of guilds, Dzago from what I remember is full fighting server rn and UW/Riverside&Vabbi are acceptable too.

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  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    @OP, short answer is NONE.

    Firstly, most wvw only players have quit by now, realising Anet will never give the mode the love it deserves (and needs).

    Bandwagonning guilds jumping servers every few weeks/months have completely ruined most servers by now.

    Typically they will jump whenever they start losing a lot, or when they can no longer stack a map with 50+ and steamroll from sheer numbers as the residents of the server want to play too, saying they are 'moving for the fights'.

    Typically in the meantime their toxic elitism will have ruined the existing server's playerbase, so when they leave you are then left with a broken server community, forcing more to move to find a 'decent' server, etc.

    Rinse and repeat for many years and the result is low population, elitism, hidden tags and a toxic environment that puts off 'casuals' from playing in wvw.

    Funniest comment above was the distain from one elitist moaning about having to try and fight a 'cloud' with their ultimate guild group, complaining that the enemy won't all ball up nicely so his guild group can steam roll through (which is what most guild specs are designed for, rolling in a ball against another ball- yawn). Best defence against organised guild group if you're pugging is clouding, as it breaks many of the synergies the ball expects!

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    I must say I find it hilarious that people keep downplaying Piken as a bad server, when together with WSR they remain heavily stacked with actual good players.

    Because they're not killing people with their charming personalties, thats for sure.

    Well they are pretty much gone now it seems..

  • @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    Hey guys, just transferring from NA. Which server on EU has a good amount of guilds organised with Discord? I am more into guild vs guild fights (blobbing) than PPT. I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    My friend transfered in NA, 2 weeks ago, for a better WVW experience.
    You wont find any open groups in Piken, most of them are close/hidden groups and only allow ppl who use discord and have good builds

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    Good luck. WvW is all about prime-time stuff nowadays. Some would say it's dying, but the big queues at prime-time suggest there's a population that WANTS to play.

    This post contains my opinion.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Looks like he should have stayed on deso after all :D

  • Magnuzone.8395Magnuzone.8395 Member ✭✭✭

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    Looks like he should have stayed on deso after all :D

    Yeah, lol.

  • senki.1046senki.1046 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    Deso + wsr lots of people and guilds. Constant SM in control = lots of defending action there. Downside is, you will always have a 30+ man queue on ebg during prime time.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khenzy.9348 said:
    Baruch Bay for sure, if you don't mind the possible lenguage barrier.

    Doesn't that server skip eu prime time to play before and after? Hardly fun fighting left over pugs and walls.

    Sometimes they have guilds on prime time that's true

  • biff.7318biff.7318 Member ✭✭

    @distant.9403 said:

    @Super Fuzz.4980 said:
    Hey guys, just transferring from NA. Which server on EU has a good amount of guilds organised with Discord? I am more into guild vs guild fights (blobbing) than PPT. I tried Piken Square which is T1, but it seems to be mostly PVERS? Haven't seen many open tags or guild activity despite it being T1. I also tried Desolation last week, and it's kind of dead. Any other suggestions? Thanks.

    Hi there, I just made the mistake of using my free transfer when upgrading expansion as a european home based player to transfer from US Anvil Rock to EU Ring of fire and wish I hadn't bothered. My main motivations were the 'myth' of a better ping/play performance, (I have since found out not any appreciable difference with testing) and also wanted less very late playing times into early hours because of time difference. I was having very active time on AR, plenty of open tags each day but could not compare with EU servers because you can only 'guest play' in your geographical area, this seems stupidly restrictive. Now I have spent my free transfer I find on ROF and guesting on EU servers is like ppl say in this thread 'eletist guilds' and groups that flatly ignore you and are not willing to take new members on, only experienced one open tag in a week of daily play, compared to 2 or 3 on AR I could join in with, and I was once told very rudely to get the ... away from the tag on the EU server. So feel very unwelcome on ROF not in the spirit of Guild Wars at all, other EU servers could be better up the charts, but probably full and it has put me off EU anyhow, there is also no good info on where is good to play. Now I will definately transfer back to a US server as players are much friendlier and more helpful, its just sad I now have to pay for my 'mistake' but like I said not having the 'across the pond' guest option is just unfair IMHO. My question now to the forum is if I don't go back to AR. could anyone say they had a good experience or could recommend a US server to me with open tags and good gameplay, hope my input is of use and thanks for any feedback, all the best folks, and thanks for reading.

    HOD has been great, lots of pugmanders.

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:
    I can tell you which servers to avoid as they're dead no good guild presense or pugs : Ring Of Fire - Riverside...

    Riverside is not really dead. Still lot of guilds and raids. People just got burned out last link, because Vabbi didn't do much besides clouding on EBG because they had to rebuild their community.

  • Sapphic Savvy.8376Sapphic Savvy.8376 Member ✭✭
    edited April 3, 2021

    The 'best' fight guilds cluster together on different servers over time. Right now it's Dzagonur. If you want more of a challenge in your fights I'd suggest Gunnar's Hold (GH). GH has a great community.
    (Edit) If you end up back on NA I'd suggest FA if you primarily play SEA or NA time. FA is REALLY dead during EU hours though. If you want EU hours to NA hours I'd suggest DR. You are expected to play meta in both groups/servers. Both servers are active comms wise. If you want to get a feel for the commanders the primary pugmanders on both DR and FA stream so check it out.
    DR is not full. FA is full and is only open a couple times a year (if that) so you'd be stuck transferring to the link every 8 weeks (recurring cost).

  • I actually found Piken Square to be a lot of fun! I found a Guild and realised that's where the fun comes mostly in any WvW experience. I would say NA and EU play differs slightly - I didn't see a lot of GvG in WvW on NA; and I haven't seen much pugmanding on EU. I will still miss the HOD community and the friendly pugmanders - but I am having a blast atm on Piken. :)