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The Great Dwarf is a champion of an ED, or even an Elder Dragon?

Kovac.4372Kovac.4372 Member ✭✭✭

This has probably been discussed before ... but considering how all the ED transform their minions to whatever their attunement is, it makes sense for the dwarves turning to stone be the same process.

I also remember Ogden explaining how turning to stone through the ritual the dwarves are stripped of part of themselves, their individuality, although I can't seem to find the exact quote now.

Thoughts?

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  • The Greyhawk.9107The Greyhawk.9107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not likely. The All effectively restricts the possible number of EDs that would have existed during the Rite to only Six, and none of those six have a corresponding Power Set that would match the Great Dwarf's power over Stone. The closest we could get would be Primordus, which is not only a stretch power set wise but also completely counter to the Rite's purpose, and Kralk, which still doesn't line up. Branded don't just change into crystal they get reshaped into abominations. Dwarves just turned to stone, their shapes didn't change.

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  • Hannelore.8153Hannelore.8153 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 3, 2021

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Not likely. The All effectively restricts the possible number of EDs that would have existed during the Rite to only Six, and none of those six have a corresponding Power Set that would match the Great Dwarf's power over Stone. The closest we could get would be Primordus, which is not only a stretch power set wise but also completely counter to the Rite's purpose, and Kralk, which still doesn't line up. Branded don't just change into crystal they get reshaped into abominations. Dwarves just turned to stone, their shapes didn't change.

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    The Stone Summit tried to resist the ritual using Primordus' power and ended up transformed anyway, and corrupted on top of that. So while Dwarves may not be dragon minions, Primordus might have their knowledge, including how the ritual works.

    Its been shown that corrupted beings reveal all to their new masters, so he likely knows everything the dwarves knew.

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  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hannelore.8153 said:

    @The Greyhawk.9107 said:
    Not likely. The All effectively restricts the possible number of EDs that would have existed during the Rite to only Six, and none of those six have a corresponding Power Set that would match the Great Dwarf's power over Stone. The closest we could get would be Primordus, which is not only a stretch power set wise but also completely counter to the Rite's purpose, and Kralk, which still doesn't line up. Branded don't just change into crystal they get reshaped into abominations. Dwarves just turned to stone, their shapes didn't change.

    SPOILERS FOR ICEBROOD SAGA
    The Stone Summit tried to resist the ritual using Primordus' power and ended up transformed anyway, and corrupted on top of that. So while Dwarves may not be dragon minions, Primordus might have their knowledge, including how the ritual works.

    Its been shown that corrupted beings reveal all to their new masters, so he likely knows everything the dwarves knew.

    Assuming, of course, that Primordus' relationship with minions is the same as Zhaitan's. A few things that have been considered to be true for all Elder Dragons have proven to not necessarily be the case. Primordus getting less out of corrupting the living might partially explain Primordus being less interested in doing so.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Physically transforming while losing part of your self seems to be a running theme in Guild Wars.

    We had the Stone Dwarves and we had destroyers, icebrood, branded, risen, and mordrem...

    But then we also have the Afflicted, Margonites, the Forged, the Foefire ghosts, Bloodstone ghosts, Bloodstone abominations, and so, many, many more.

    So I'm not inclined to consider the relation outright. But the similarity is notable.

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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 3, 2021

    The Great Dwarf is described as the collective consciousness of all dwarves, which is said to have moved into the Great Forge (the Dwarves' afterlife in the Mists).

    If the Great Dwarf was to be an actual being, it'd have the ability to travel through (or at least into) the Mists.
    Prior to Balthazar's death, neither Elder Dragons nor their minions possessed that kind of ability.
    Thus it ought to be obvious that the Great Dwarf would neither be an Elder Dragon, nor a minion of one.