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The reward design in the game is getting worse and worse

These new weapon sets... one is either a below 1% drop (volcanic), and the rest require a ton of DRM currency. You either spend 20k gold on ingots to get them all, or do every single DRM for the next 2 years...
According to gw2efficiency, only 1177 players (0.4%) unlocked the weapon set from chapter 1, and even less (55-81) the azure and crimson sets.
Chapter 1 is out for a few months now and only 1000 players bothered. So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy? Waste of resources... this is worse than f2p chinese mobile game reward system. All it takes is to change the values anet, its not too late.

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  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 10, 2021

    @KingJoko.1625 said:
    So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy?

    Because in every MMO there is always a small group of people who end up sitting on a ton of cash, with nothing to spend it on, so devs will make what amounts to "prestige" items they know the vast majority of the playerbase will never go for, due to the cost. These items serve a purpose of giving those people with tons of cash something to work for, and drains a lot of excess gold from the game in the process.

    So, in essence, the whole point IS that they are so expensive and grindy.

  • Shaogin.2679Shaogin.2679 Member ✭✭✭

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:
    So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy?

    Because in every MMO there is always a small group of people who end up sitting on a ton of cash, with nothing to spend it on, so devs will make what amounts to "prestige" items they know the vast majority of the playerbase will never go for, due to the cost. These items serve a purpose of giving those people with tons of cash something to work for, and drains a lot of excess gold from the game in the process.

    So, in essence, the whole point IS that they are so expensive and grindy.

    infusions are for that

    And so are these weapons. Don't really see the issue.

    Doc Von Doom

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    All gw2 content with indications of being rushed there are problems with the economy, it seems that they even lead economists to new content.
    By far the most unbalanced content.

    -- Atlantean Sword --
    The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts..." [Points to sword] "This you can trust."

  • Obfuscate.6430Obfuscate.6430 Member ✭✭✭

    Over the years there's been complaints that there aren't enough ways to show prestige and that there wasn't enough sense of vertical progression.
    Perhaps they thought this was a way to kill two birds with one stone.
    As it's been pointed out, only a few people will go for these which might even add to their appeal.

  • Solvar.7953Solvar.7953 Member ✭✭✭

    The counter is that people will look at these new weapons, see what it takes, and say, "I'm not even going to try and start to do them". where as previous weapon sets that seemed doable in a reasonable amount of time/cost would be something I'd try to do, I'm definitely in the case of not bothering with that latest set.
    So that means I play the game less, which means I'm less likely to spend any money on the game.
    How that works out in balance, I don't know - maybe they are getting more money from that very small set of players going for those weapons than they would for all those not even bothering. But that seems like a dangerous game to play, because if those few decide it isn't worth it, then that is basically dead content.

  • @Shaogin.2679 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:
    So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy?

    Because in every MMO there is always a small group of people who end up sitting on a ton of cash, with nothing to spend it on, so devs will make what amounts to "prestige" items they know the vast majority of the playerbase will never go for, due to the cost. These items serve a purpose of giving those people with tons of cash something to work for, and drains a lot of excess gold from the game in the process.

    So, in essence, the whole point IS that they are so expensive and grindy.

    infusions are for that

    And so are these weapons. Don't really see the issue.

    there are several issues with it, but if you dont see any then i wont even bother explaining...

  • Imagine if they make a legendary trinket or something at the end of this saga and just like in S3 and S4 you need 100% on Icebrood to get it, the kitten is gonna be glorious xD

  • Jong.5937Jong.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    ......or 500 Prismaticite crystals to troll all those who DID craft the weapon sets xD

  • notebene.3190notebene.3190 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Would anyone mind defining DRM as used in this context?

    In the event I don't get a chance, thank you all for the company and help when I needed it from time to time.

  • Jong.5937Jong.5937 Member ✭✭✭

    Dragon Response Mission

  • To be fair, even if people dont really care for the new weapon sets (and i admit the last set is just outright overkill in terms of cost), it makes DRM somewhat profitable considering that you get around 9 prismaticite a day with home instance, which is almost 16g if you combine them with the other stuff.
    I mean its not the biggest selling point if you wanna make gold, but eh its something. I did the dragon slayer collection for achievement purposes, but ill ignore crimson/azure for now and just hoard on prismaticite and maybe Anet does something towards it.

    I cant help it but I am a meta achievement grinder, so I have to get the 39/39 aswell on the current champions chapter, which means sooner or later i need that 2nd set of ridiculous pricy weapons :skull:

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 11, 2021

    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

  • @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    I don't know how many APs you have but even me who has more than 90/95% of the players in the game, I don't do all of them.
    From the start there are always a few that are far too unattainable like '' Ultimate Dominator '' in wvw
    you have to consider it that way, it's reserved for 0.2% of players and that's it

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 11, 2021

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @radda.8920 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    I don't know how many APs you have but even me who has more than 90/95% of the players in the game, I don't do all of them.
    From the start there are always a few that are far too unattainable like '' Ultimate Dominator '' in wvw
    you have to consider it that way, it's reserved for 0.2% of players and that's it

    Yea but you're talking about two very different types of achievements.

    Something like Ultimate Dominator was designed for those who went into the game fully intending to spend a very large amount of time playing wvw. Achieving Ultimate Dominator feels like a personal milestone when it happens, and anyone who wears that title shows clout dedicated towards the wvw game mode.

    These tiny achievos for 6000 g weapon sets just feels bad when you obtain them man. People don't even use these skins and they barely get any AP for what it's worth. These are lame unreasonable laughably overpriced achievements for what they are worth, even for the 2%. End of story.

    yes, you are absolutely right, these are 2 totally different categories of achievements
    But I just wanted to say that when you're an AP farmer, it tends to become a drug. We do things completely without interest which ultimately do not even give the slightest prestige in the game but it becomes a habit.
    Except that there have been and always will be impossible achievements to finish without making your life: a nightmare .
    And we have to put this one in this category and move on for our sanity.
    There will surely be other cases in the future.... even if it is a bad habit that arena is taking and I think they are doing this to `` occupy '' the players since there is almost no more content added to the game.

  • DarcShriek.5829DarcShriek.5829 Member ✭✭✭

    The new weapons are expensive. I normally wouldn't care but the fire weapons are kind of boring. The Azure ones look nice though.

  • radda.8920radda.8920 Member ✭✭✭

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    it's all in your sentence, they made these collections horrible to hide the lack of content
    there is nothing else to do once you have done each CM 5 times and the daily.

  • @KingJoko.1625 said:
    These new weapon sets... one is either a below 1% drop (volcanic), and the rest require a ton of DRM currency. You either spend 20k gold on ingots to get them all, or do every single DRM for the next 2 years...
    According to gw2efficiency, only 1177 players (0.4%) unlocked the weapon set from chapter 1, and even less (55-81) the azure and crimson sets.
    Chapter 1 is out for a few months now and only 1000 players bothered. So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy? Waste of resources... this is worse than f2p chinese mobile game reward system. All it takes is to change the values anet, its not too late.

    Its not like these are even cool weapons... I mean they look pretty terrible and you'll never see someone with them in combat because it's swallowed by a ball of glowing christmas lights

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2021

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Now to me ... THAT is a legit complaint. If the ONLY thing to look forward to earning in this episode is to craft expensive weapons, THAT'S a big problem if Anet wants to continue to appeal to GW2 playerbase through new content releases.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2021

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    This, exactly.

    I think it's pretty clear that people aren't concerned about the AP or the actual skins themselves - the numbers we have make it quite clear that people are making the exact calculation @Trevor Boyer.6524 laid out a few posts up: "just not worth it."

    The concern, at least for me, runs much deeper. These weapon sets in particular, and IBS in general, feel as though ANet's steadily asking for much greater levels of investment (time and gold) for decreasing returns. While I have faith that EoD will not continue the trend, it's not unreasonable to fear that the devs have in fact decided that this is the direction they want to take the game. I think that's what has people concerned. It's easy enough to pass on these obviously overpriced achievements, but the prospect of seeing more and more of this (at the expense of the kind of stuff that does feel worth the effort) isn't comforting.

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Now to me ... THAT is a legit complaint. If the ONLY thing to look forward to earning in this episode is to craft expensive weapons, THAT'S a big problem if Anet wants to continue to appeal to GW2 playerbase through new content releases.

    I missed this when I first posted, but I think this is a great expression of the type of concern I was getting at. It's not just this skin or these few AP. It's about what ANet considers acceptable content moving forward.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2021

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    Right ... and my point, saying it again, is that forums are designed for consumer feedback.

    People have to realize that the last thing the game is going to do it narrow it's options for players by eliminating things, just because it's a thing some people don't like. I'M ALSO giving feedback, so YOU shouldn't have a problem with what I have to say either, especially since it matches the reality of the game.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2021

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    Right ... and my point, saying it again, is that forums are designed for consumer feedback.

    People have to realize that the last thing the game is going to do it narrow it's options for players by eliminating things, just because it's a thing some people don't like. I'M ALSO giving feedback, so YOU shouldn't have a problem with what I have to say either, especially since it matches the reality of the game.

    But you're not giving feedback on the game.

    That's not true ... my feedback IS related to the game content and how people interact with it. The problem here isn't the content. No content is going to satisfy every player every time.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    Right ... and my point, saying it again, is that forums are designed for consumer feedback.

    People have to realize that the last thing the game is going to do it narrow it's options for players by eliminating things, just because it's a thing some people don't like. I'M ALSO giving feedback, so YOU shouldn't have a problem with what I have to say either, especially since it matches the reality of the game.

    But you're not giving feedback on the game.

    That's not true ... my feedback IS related to the game content and how people interact with it. The problem here isn't the content. No content is going to satisfy every player every time.

    No, you've been giving feedback on how you feel about other people's opinions and why they are wrong. This may be "related" to the OP topic but it is a very unnecessary thing to do and quite derailing honestly.

    Just make a single statement about how you feel on the topic the OP posted, and leave it at that. No reason to hassle every single opinion that other people post. It is actually more clear what your stance is, if you just say what you mean directly, rather than in relation to someone else's opinion.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2021

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    Right ... and my point, saying it again, is that forums are designed for consumer feedback.

    People have to realize that the last thing the game is going to do it narrow it's options for players by eliminating things, just because it's a thing some people don't like. I'M ALSO giving feedback, so YOU shouldn't have a problem with what I have to say either, especially since it matches the reality of the game.

    But you're not giving feedback on the game.

    That's not true ... my feedback IS related to the game content and how people interact with it. The problem here isn't the content. No content is going to satisfy every player every time.

    No, you've been giving feedback on how you feel about other people's opinions and why they are wrong.

    There isn't anything derailing about not being in agreement with what someone has to say about the topic, even if that isn't with the OP. If someone dislikes the content for whatever reason, they don't need to do it. Not all content can appeal to all players. This is why we get a wide range of content to go with.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • @Adamixos.6785 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:
    So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy?

    Because in every MMO there is always a small group of people who end up sitting on a ton of cash, with nothing to spend it on, so devs will make what amounts to "prestige" items they know the vast majority of the playerbase will never go for, due to the cost. These items serve a purpose of giving those people with tons of cash something to work for, and drains a lot of excess gold from the game in the process.

    So, in essence, the whole point IS that they are so expensive and grindy.

    I'd believe that they are prestige items if they weren't the exact same weapon set five times with different colors and extra effects, which aren't even that pretty and in actual fact use quite low effort textures, especially compared to the BL Ticket exclusive skins.

    It's just a lazy way to add content, not to mention that finishing the Stretching Goals meta achievement (the 39 chieves for max, not the 31 for the emote) is impossible without finishing the first 3 collections. This is a completionist's worst nightmare and just pure bad design. Either spend 5,000 gold right off the bat that you could spend on actually useful legendaries, or grind the worst pve content this game has ever put forward for 2 years. No thanks.

    I wouldn't call this content. People either buy it, or just not even attempt it. No sane person will actually grind this out.ó

  • @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Now to me ... THAT is a legit complaint. If the ONLY thing to look forward to earning in this episode is to craft expensive weapons, THAT'S a big problem if Anet wants to continue to appeal to GW2 playerbase through new content releases.

    When 99.9% of your playerbase decides to not do a content because it's not worth the reward/effort then there is an issue with the game and not with the players:)

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    Right ... and my point, saying it again, is that forums are designed for consumer feedback.

    People have to realize that the last thing the game is going to do it narrow it's options for players by eliminating things, just because it's a thing some people don't like. I'M ALSO giving feedback, so YOU shouldn't have a problem with what I have to say either, especially since it matches the reality of the game.

    But you're not giving feedback on the game.

    That's not true ... my feedback IS related to the game content and how people interact with it. The problem here isn't the content. No content is going to satisfy every player every time.

    No, you've been giving feedback on how you feel about other people's opinions and why they are wrong.

    If someone dislikes the content for whatever reason, they don't need to do it.

    Yup, they get it bud. That's why no one is doing the content.

    They are just here to explain to Arenanet why that is, which is what the purpose of a forum designed for feedback is.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    Right ... and my point, saying it again, is that forums are designed for consumer feedback.

    People have to realize that the last thing the game is going to do it narrow it's options for players by eliminating things, just because it's a thing some people don't like. I'M ALSO giving feedback, so YOU shouldn't have a problem with what I have to say either, especially since it matches the reality of the game.

    But you're not giving feedback on the game.

    That's not true ... my feedback IS related to the game content and how people interact with it. The problem here isn't the content. No content is going to satisfy every player every time.

    No, you've been giving feedback on how you feel about other people's opinions and why they are wrong.

    If someone dislikes the content for whatever reason, they don't need to do it.

    Yup, they get it bud. That's why no one is doing the content.

    Well, SOME people aren't, but no one is? You don't know.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2021

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Now to me ... THAT is a legit complaint. If the ONLY thing to look forward to earning in this episode is to craft expensive weapons, THAT'S a big problem if Anet wants to continue to appeal to GW2 playerbase through new content releases.

    When 99.9% of your playerbase decides to not do a content because it's not worth the reward/effort then there is an issue with the game and not with the players:)

    Hold on ... What is your complaint here? I hardly believe your complaint is that most players aren't crafting these weapons, so it's pretty irrelevant what percent of people do or don't craft them. I mean, you don't even know, you're just inferring from GW2efficiency. That's fraught with all kinds of issues to begin with.

    If your complaint is that it's expensive to craft the collection ... well, that's not really all that concerning really.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Now to me ... THAT is a legit complaint. If the ONLY thing to look forward to earning in this episode is to craft expensive weapons, THAT'S a big problem if Anet wants to continue to appeal to GW2 playerbase through new content releases.

    When 99.9% of your playerbase decides to not do a content because it's not worth the reward/effort then there is an issue with the game and not with the players:)

    Hold on ... What is your complaint here? I hardly believe your complaint is that most players aren't crafting these weapons, so it's pretty irrelevant what percent of people do or don't craft them. I mean, you don't even know, you're just inferring from GW2efficiency. That's fraught with all kinds of issues to begin with.

    If your complaint is that it's expensive to craft the collection ... well, that's not really all that concerning really.

    Why are you even here complaining that we complain? Pretty useless thing to do

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2021

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:

    @radda.8920 said:
    why are you so worried about these new weapons?
    I mean the first versions are hideous and the last is barely ''ok''
    There are regularly much more beautiful skins in the cash shop for 10 times less money

    I am an achievement farmer (37k ap) and yet I gave up the idea of ​​doing them. I mean who can do so much DRM(the worst content in this game) without going crazy...

    And it makes me laugh those who speak of prestige for these new weapons
    The only prestige of these DRMs is to keep your sanity by farming them so much, this content is mediocre and anyone can finish it. legendary armor, some pvp titles and legendary trinkets have a kind of little prestige (and again this word is not suitable). But these weapons absolutely not.

    As an ap hunter I want to do them, but not for this cost, that's why i'm 'worried' about them.

    So basically .. you just want easy or cheap AP's that you are willing to do. That's not how MMO's are designed.

    I think the point that everyone is stressing isn't that they want cheap & easy APs, but rather they want the time invested & reward to worth it.

    For example, if you could have salvaged let's say every completed Dragon Slayer weapon to get some kind of essence that you could use at a craft station to build a legendary Dragon Slayer infusion that had great graphics, that could also be sold on the trade post to redeem gold invested, or even if it were account bound and couldn't be sold, we would be seeing far far less complaint or maybe none at all, about the expenses of these new weapon sets.

    As it is now, these new weapon sets feel like nothing but a sarcastic gold/time sink.

    Right ... and so what do we all (or should) do if we feel content reward isn't worth the effort?

    ANSWER: You don't do it.

    Not sure if people realize this because there are LOTS of threads lately where people think the game should work how they want it to work for them ... but it doesn't. It can't. Everyone's threshold for what is worth the time to invest for something is there own.

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Now to me ... THAT is a legit complaint. If the ONLY thing to look forward to earning in this episode is to craft expensive weapons, THAT'S a big problem if Anet wants to continue to appeal to GW2 playerbase through new content releases.

    When 99.9% of your playerbase decides to not do a content because it's not worth the reward/effort then there is an issue with the game and not with the players:)

    Hold on ... What is your complaint here? I hardly believe your complaint is that most players aren't crafting these weapons, so it's pretty irrelevant what percent of people do or don't craft them. I mean, you don't even know, you're just inferring from GW2efficiency. That's fraught with all kinds of issues to begin with.

    If your complaint is that it's expensive to craft the collection ... well, that's not really all that concerning really.

    Why are you even here complaining that we complain? Pretty useless thing to do

    I'm not complaining you are complaining. I'm disagreeing with the idea there is a problem with expensive or hard to get crafting collections. Somehow you turned that into a complaint that not many people are crafting it or that it's a sign of 'declining rewards system'. So I'm just asking you clarify what the problem is that you are trying to communicate so I don't disagree with something we aren't talking about in the first place.

    Abuse from people that tell you how to play is not a reason to change a class in a game that is designed and works to allow you to play how you want.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2021

    Long term goals and huge gold sinks are necessary for the game but also are med and short term goals and small to med gold sinks. I wouldnt be surprised if all the armors and weapons this season added alone cost more than any non legendary gold sink anet has added since the release of gw2 combined which is ridiculous and clearly shows the intent of these. They arent meant to be cool and enjoyable rewards you chase over varried amounts of time, they are meant to pad the season because half of it has been barebones.

    I really hope they reconsider their aproach, adding long term goals is fine, only adding longterm goals sucks.

  • I don’t see much issue. I crafted like 4 of the dragon slayer T1 weapons. I did pistol azure and crimson because I wanted to get the skins. I may do the 3rd tier to upgrade them again. No intention currently to do them all. The skins are there if you want them. If you look at it like you don’t have to do everything it’s not so bad.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

    @KingJoko.1625 said:
    So why waste time creating these weapons if getting them is so expensive or grindy?

    Because in every MMO there is always a small group of people who end up sitting on a ton of cash, with nothing to spend it on, so devs will make what amounts to "prestige" items they know the vast majority of the playerbase will never go for, due to the cost. These items serve a purpose of giving those people with tons of cash something to work for, and drains a lot of excess gold from the game in the process.

    So, in essence, the whole point IS that they are so expensive and grindy.

    Not when the achievements for this are a major part of the chapter meta.

    It's not a problem that those collections exist. It's a problem when lately all the collections go into this direction. And it seems like there's barely anything else to do except them.

    @Manasa Devi.7958 said:
    The real problem I have with these weapon sets is that there's so little else to aim for with this episode. If you decide to skip the weapons, which I did, what else is there?

    Basically, this.

    @KingJoko.1625 said:
    Why are you even here complaining that we complain? Pretty useless thing to do

    Because complaining about the complaining is basically the only way some people can defend Anet's decision on this. There's basically nothing positive that can be said about those achievements, so the only defence is to keep claiming that others should stop complaining and just ignore them.

    Of course, when you get to this level of defence, one has to think why are you even so adamand about defending it, if you yourself can't see anything truly positive about it.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.