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Frozenize.9603Frozenize.9603 Member ✭✭
edited April 6, 2021 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Mystic Coin scarcity is a big problem for the Gw2 Community atm in my opinion. I understand it is a free market but Mystic Coin's supply and demand gap is getting bigger every day. There are only a few ways to get Mystic Coin per day such as Ley-Line (1 coin/day), Fractal Challenge Mode (avg 2-3 coin/day -RNG), Monthly Login Reward (20 coin/day), and WvW (6 coin/ week if you finish all the rewards).

For Legendary Gen 1, you need around 231 Coins for 77 Mystic Clovers, and for Legendary Gen 2, you might need at least 481 Coins for Mystic Tribute. So if you do everything you can get around 5-6 Coins per day and even with a static team for CM fractal you need to spend at least 1 hour just for Fractal, it will take at least 1-2 days to finish WvW track if you dedicate all your game time to WvW - 1 day if you get lucky with Outnumberred all days, for Ley-Line you might have to do it right after reset otherwise you can't because not many people do it these days. All that for 5-6 coins per day, in my opinion, this is stupid, and not to mention if you grind your balls out for gold to buy coin it will also hard to get the coins at a good price since there are bots on the TP market and not to mention those TP Baron who controls the coin market as well.

Take Casiano/Goldrim for an example, he has 10 million gold worth of coins, and right now he is keeping it to drain the Coin's market and push the price to 4 gold. There is nothing wrong with it if you are economy players or hardcore players, but if you play the game casually it is just so hard for you to craft just 1 single legendary. Right now, the demand is huge but the supply is very limited because not many Gw2 run CMs Fractal and Ley-line Daily. Not to mention, there are so many afkers and bots in WvW, you can see a lot of people around in WvW maps but most of them are doing wall running or afk just for Weekly Reward, it kills WvW, to be honest. EOD expansion and Steam release will be here soon and demand will rise big time, supply will also rise but the supply changes will not be that much anyway.

Here is my suggestion:

-Bring back the Mystic Coin Reward for Daily as we had years ago - 2 Coins per day, it will be enough ( Still need at least 89-90 days for someone who only login and do dailies to craft Gen 1 and at least 150-163 days for Gen 2). It will not break the Coin market, the price will stay around 1g50 - 2g most of the time. It might boost Anet Sale too, there will be a ton of people will buy alt account just for 20 coins per month and 2 coins per day.

-Anet needs to have a bit of control of Gw2 Marketplace to avoid inflation. The coin is reaching 3 gold at this moment and who knows how further it can rise. Remember when coin price was 15-20 silver per piece and not is might get to 4-5 gold, how crazy is that.

Those things above are just my opinion and suggestion. Let's me know about yours in the comment section below and thank you for reading and replying

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  • @Cuks.8241 said:
    You're assuming mystic coins are the only source of clovers. I don't think it has ever been cheaper to craft or buy a legendary.

    If you are a PVE-Only player then yes Mystic Coin is the only source of Mystic Clover. For WvW Drizzlewood coast reward track is unrepeatable, for other reward tracks its about 2-4 Clovers per final box and I think it might be the same for PVP. Even if I dedicate all my gaming time (16 hours per day) to just doing WvW at most I can get 2-3 Final Box which is about 12 Clovers per day.

  • LuRkEr.9462LuRkEr.9462 Member ✭✭✭

    Yea, buying Mystic clovers with fractal currency will save you a ton of coins... but really only applicable if you don't need fractal currency anymore.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm a casual player and I've never had trouble getting mystic coins for legendaries, because I don't make legendaries that often and I'm not in a hurry when I do, so I've always been able to get them all from login rewards. I don't have to worry about what the price is on the TP or how many people are selling them because I don't buy them (although I have occasionally sold some when I'm not planning on making a legendary soon and I need gold or hear that the price is especially high).

    I've also gotten some mystic clovers without using coins to make them. I'm not entirely sure where they came from, WvW reward tracks I assume.

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  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @Cuks.8241 said:
    You're assuming mystic coins are the only source of clovers. I don't think it has ever been cheaper to craft or buy a legendary.

    If you are a PVE-Only player then yes Mystic Coin is the only source of Mystic Clover. For WvW Drizzlewood coast reward track is unrepeatable, for other reward tracks its about 2-4 Clovers per final box and I think it might be the same for PVP. Even if I dedicate all my gaming time (16 hours per day) to just doing WvW at most I can get 2-3 Final Box which is about 12 Clovers per day.

    It isn't. I suggest reading the wiki https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Clover

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nice summary. Didn't know about all those ways to get mystic coins. I only knew about the login rewards and the anomaly + sometimes the daily mystic forger. WvW seems not worth it though. This is too much grind - especially if you are low Wxp rank (and increasting that rank takes ages). This seems more like an alternative for people not doing PvE - and only playing WvW. Most players probably won't farm all those things at the same time.

    For me I got some clovers and stuff from different sources. Also for some other materials I have some vouchers. Coins I saved up while playing normally. Have 1250 or so. So far I only made the PvP back item legendary - was cheap.

    The most espensive stuff for me still seems the mystic tribute and buying those 250 mats of each of the high tier totem/blood/claws, etc. If doing a lot of legendaries of course it will get expensive - but with higher price there is more incentive for players to farm the coins. (Or to even get a 2nd paid account just for the login rewards. Then sending them to their main.)

    Does one guy really have 10 millions worth of coins lol? How much did he farm to get that many coins and money (probably to buy even more coins). That can't be everything from profits from manipulating the market. Must use up all his space in the bank and inventory slots of a lot of chars - unless he permanently puts it on the TP.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Luthan.5236 said:
    Does one guy really have 10 millions worth of coins lol? How much did he farm to get that many coins and money (probably to buy even more coins). That can't be everything from profits from manipulating the market. Must use up all his space in the bank and inventory slots of a lot of chars - unless he permanently puts it on the TP.

    I have no idea if it's the same guy, but someone in my guild was telling us about a guy who has something like 100 accounts and does Youtube videos showing how much stuff he gets from login rewards each month and what it's worth, but I'm not sure it's worth the hassle for most people, let alone the money it would cost to buy 100 accounts. (Free accounts don't get login rewards.)

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  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2021

    As far as PVE:
    Running drizzlewood coast is relatively quick if you are on a meta map. Each chest has 5 commendations , you get 100 commendations for the meta , 10 for Keep Lords or Tribune chests. Lost Charr Supply Drops have a random number and aren't timegated. Add to that daily material donations (125/250 per donation) and you're looking at a steady stream of commendations to add up to 5000. Because you earn the materials for mystic tribute yourself you also save costs there.

    As far as WVW/PVP:
    First of all you can run WXP boosters (the exp booster has 50% reward track bonus , 25% from Snowflake Gobbler) if you're in WVW anyway for dailies or for fun (foreign concept to some players). Secondly, if you only do dailies you can pop the WXP or PVP potions for instant progress.

    You will complete a PVP reward track in about 35 games without boosts.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Frozenize.9603 said:
    Mystic Coin scarcity is a big problem for the Gw2 Community atm in my opinion. I understand it is a free market but Mystic Coin's supply and demand gap is getting bigger every day. There are only a few ways to get Mystic Coin per day such as Ley-Line (1 coin/day), Fractal Challenge Mode (avg 2-3 coin/day -RNG), Monthly Login Reward (20 coin/day), and WvW (6 coin/ week if you finish all the rewards).

    For Legendary Gen 1, you need around 231 Coins for 77 Mystic Clovers, and for Legendary Gen 2, you might need at least 481 Coins for Mystic Tribute. So if you do everything you can get around 5-6 Coins per day and even with a static team for CM fractal you need to spend at least 1 hour just for Fractal, it will take at least 1-2 days to finish WvW track if you dedicate all your game time to WvW - 1 day if you get lucky with Outnumberred all days, for Ley-Line you might have to do it right after reset otherwise you can't because not many people do it these days. All that for 5-6 coins per day, in my opinion, this is stupid, and not to mention if you grind your balls out for gold to buy coin it will also hard to get the coins at a good price since there are bots on the TP market and not to mention those TP Baron who controls the coin market as well.

    You can also obtain mystic clovers which removes the need for coins for Gen 1 and halves how many you need for gen 2. Keep in mind that legendary weapons are long term goals so there's no reason that obtaining mystic coins for them wouldn't be either.

    -Bring back the Mystic Coin Reward for Daily as we had years ago - 2 Coins per day, it will be enough ( Still need at least 89-90 days for someone who only login and do dailies to craft Gen 1 and at least 150-163 days for Gen 2). It will not break the Coin market, the price will stay around 1g50 - 2g most of the time. It might boost Anet Sale too, there will be a ton of people will buy alt account just for 20 coins per month and 2 coins per day.

    This would tank the mystic coin price. You do not realize how many accounts there are in the game otherwise you wouldn't of said this nor say the price would remain around 1.5 to 2g.

    -Anet needs to have a bit of control of Gw2 Marketplace to avoid inflation. The coin is reaching 3 gold at this moment and who knows how further it can rise. Remember when coin price was 15-20 silver per piece and not is might get to 4-5 gold, how crazy is that.

    Inflation is managed over the entire economy and not just one item. It's not reaching 3G, it's 2.2G.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Luthan.5236 said:
    Does one guy really have 10 millions worth of coins lol? How much did he farm to get that many coins and money (probably to buy even more coins). That can't be everything from profits from manipulating the market. Must use up all his space in the bank and inventory slots of a lot of chars - unless he permanently puts it on the TP.

    I have no idea if it's the same guy, but someone in my guild was telling us about a guy who has something like 100 accounts and does Youtube videos showing how much stuff he gets from login rewards each month and what it's worth, but I'm not sure it's worth the hassle for most people, let alone the money it would cost to buy 100 accounts. (Free accounts don't get login rewards.)

    It would take them roughly an hour to cycle through 100 accounts if they do it one at a time. Actually, probably slightly longer as you hit slower login times once you hit the 19th account mark. Whether it's worth it will vary from player to player. I don't have anywhere near that many but it allows me to not have to farm for gold in the game.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2021

    @Luthan.5236 said:
    Nice summary. Didn't know about all those ways to get mystic coins. I only knew about the login rewards and the anomaly + sometimes the daily mystic forger. WvW seems not worth it though. This is too much grind - especially if you are low Wxp rank (and increasting that rank takes ages). This seems more like an alternative for people not doing PvE - and only playing WvW. Most players probably won't farm all those things at the same time.

    Rank doesn't matter much for the reward tracks. Rank affects skirmish track not reward track. Each tier of skirmish track does give a bit of reward track progress as well but the vast majority is not coming from that. Reward track progress mainly relies on participation level and you can max that out in less than 30 minutes and you only ever have to do that once per account if you don't go AFK inside WvW

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Luthan.5236 said:
    Does one guy really have 10 millions worth of coins lol? How much did he farm to get that many coins and money (probably to buy even more coins). That can't be everything from profits from manipulating the market. Must use up all his space in the bank and inventory slots of a lot of chars - unless he permanently puts it on the TP.

    I have no idea if it's the same guy, but someone in my guild was telling us about a guy who has something like 100 accounts and does Youtube videos showing how much stuff he gets from login rewards each month and what it's worth, but I'm not sure it's worth the hassle for most people, let alone the money it would cost to buy 100 accounts. (Free accounts don't get login rewards.)

    I think the cheapest accounts have been available is $10 USD so that would be at least $1000 USD. Considering the spending of whales in other games that is a drop in the bucket but if it 10 million then that is mostly not from the login. Even assuming they have been collecting for 8 years. 8 years x 365 x 100 is less than 300k so they would need to get the other 97% from somewhere else.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 30, 2021

    i "farmed" 30 mystic last 30 days, plus 700g worth materials....
    just do Drizzlewood Coast.

    i dont count clovers, i did lots of wvw in the past(2~3 years ago i guess), so i always have 140+ of them.

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  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is about the skirmish reward track and the chests there though - they seem to give the coins and with the additional pips from hither ranks (or playing a lot outnumbered only) it will be possible get diamond in a reasonable amount of time maybe. Otherwise it will take too long. (At least for people that do not exclusively want to play WvW and want to do other stuff as well.)

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Luthan.5236 said:
    This is about the skirmish reward track and the chests there though - they seem to give the coins and with the additional pips from hither ranks (or playing a lot outnumbered only) it will be possible get diamond in a reasonable amount of time maybe. Otherwise it will take too long. (At least for people that do not exclusively want to play WvW and want to do other stuff as well.)

    I was thinking of clovers which has several tracks that give 7-14(unrepeatable). The 2/track repeatable aren't really suitable as a main source either but they are nice as a supplemental source.

    Coins from skirmish track is not great ...
    the link is to a tool on the wiki on calculate reward track and skirmish track stuff,

    assuming your server is 1st place 100% of the time you are playing
    commanding 100% of the time
    played for at least 2 consecutive weeks(this one is easy for the +1 pip)
    outnumbered 100% of the time you are playing
    at max rank
    this will give you 228 pips per hour

    getting all 6 coins requires 1450 pips

    that means you will need to spend 6.36 hours for 6 coins or 0.94 coin per hour
    stopping after the first 2 coins is even worse, it requires 595 pips or 2.6 hours or 0.77 coin per hour

    assuming 3g per coin that is 2.82g/h and 2.31g/h
    those aren't very impressive values, even if the other stuff you are getting triples that value to 8.46g/h it is still ... meh
    might be worth doing if coins ever reach 9 or 10g each.

  • Parasite.5389Parasite.5389 Member ✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    Why do posts like these that talk about the inflation in mystic coins never acknowledge the deflation in t6 mats?

    Because the Devaluation of T6 mats can be more easily explained; just looking at trading data show the supply has been increasing for most of the materials for around a year now, this coincides with the releases of the Drizzlewood maps

  • Parasite.5389Parasite.5389 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Parasite.5389 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    Why do posts like these that talk about the inflation in mystic coins never acknowledge the deflation in t6 mats?

    Because the Devaluation of T6 mats can be more easily explained; just looking at trading data show the supply has been increasing for most of the materials for around a year now, this coincides with the releases of the Drizzlewood maps

    Yes... thank you for pointing this out.
    My point is this:
    Players who make this complaint (and we have seen a few over the past year or so) always point to how hard to makes crafting a legendary.
    They never acknowledge how much easier their loot farms have made it, how much faster it is to accrue t6 mats thanks to Drizzlewood or the Volatile Magic Farms. All we hear are the sob stories.
    Making a Legendary item in this game has never been easier, but these posts about Mystic Coins that cry "what about the casuals making legendaries??" don't stop.

    Absolutely, I consider myself a 'Casual' GW2 player; I've never raided, only done a handful of T1 fractals for the Fractal rush event last year, and never touched WvW until this January, when i got a couple of lucky drops from the mystic forge and found myself holding a 'Hunter', so i did my 8 hour national service to get a Gift of Battle and Crafted my first Legendary in less that a month.

    if we really want to talk about the scarcity of items, can we talk about that stinking Svanir in Frostgorge with the monopoly of Icy Runestones?

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @firedragon.8953 said:
    Honestly, I don't see a problem.

    However, let's have some fun here.
    They should add the ability to purchase mystic coins with a big sack of dungeon token currency. 400 dungeon tokens for most dungeons and 300 dungeon tokens for level 80 dungeons. They should make a little "skritt black market trader" that moves around core Tyria like Historian Elisa moves around Elona and will trade golden shinnies for dungeon shinnies, yes?!. However, cap out the daily maximum purchase of coins from the skritt at 5 coins a day. Make dungeons great again! haha

    PVE doesn't need more incentives. If anything that should be a weekly WVW vendor for legendary spikes and emblems , or bimonthly (right before relink).

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I just save my Chests of Loyalty, so I always have around 250 Mystic Clovers on hand.
    I made two Legendaries recently, in about 4-6 weeks.
    I think I have about 300 Mystic Coins left; I sold one or two hundred recently to fund something....I think it was something from the Gem Store; can't really remember.
    I very rarely ever have over 200 Gold, and usually it's only around 100 Gold. (I have a habit of exchanging Gold for Gems, often, so I can purchase items that catch my eye in the Gem Store when they become available or discounted.)

  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @Cuks.8241 said:
    You're assuming mystic coins are the only source of clovers. I don't think it has ever been cheaper to craft or buy a legendary.

    If you are a PVE-Only player then yes Mystic Coin is the only source of Mystic Clover. For WvW Drizzlewood coast reward track is unrepeatable, for other reward tracks its about 2-4 Clovers per final box and I think it might be the same for PVP. Even if I dedicate all my gaming time (16 hours per day) to just doing WvW at most I can get 2-3 Final Box which is about 12 Clovers per day.

    There is also the 7 clovers for free every 28 day via login rewards.

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    When your argument relies, in part at least, on the point that there is content that awards MC but that people choose not to do it, you have disproven your entire position.

  • Frozenize.9603Frozenize.9603 Member ✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Parasite.5389 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    Why do posts like these that talk about the inflation in mystic coins never acknowledge the deflation in t6 mats?

    Because the Devaluation of T6 mats can be more easily explained; just looking at trading data show the supply has been increasing for most of the materials for around a year now, this coincides with the releases of the Drizzlewood maps

    Yes... thank you for pointing this out.
    My point is this:
    Players who make this complaint (and we have seen a few over the past year or so) always point to how hard to makes crafting a legendary.
    They never acknowledge how much easier their loot farms have made it, how much faster it is to accrue t6 mats thanks to Drizzlewood or the Volatile Magic Farms. All we hear are the sob stories.
    Making a Legendary item in this game has never been easier, but these posts about Mystic Coins that cry "what about the casuals making legendaries??" don't stop.

    I am not even a casual player and I find out even with everything I do daily I can only make around 5-6 coins per day per 1 account. I am talking about Supply and Demand mostly. There is more demand than supply for the Coin market and a lot of TP Baron know that so they are holding coins especially Goldrim who holds approx 500,000 Mystics Coin and his account worth 16.3 million gold. Just this morning the moment I posted this discussion, the Coin price was 3 gold because some guy just purchasing a huge amount of coins on the market. I even know some people who have around 20k - 50k coins in their banks. They are all waiting for EOD and Steam release to jack up the coin price to 4 gold. When Coin reaches 4 gold each, Legendary Gen 1 price is up, T6 mats will also back to primetime. Not to mention, new legendaries might also be released with the expansion. I do not know how many Legendaries you have crafted but as a person who has unlocked 75% of the legendaries items in this game and I am crafting new legendary every 2 or 3 weeks, I am still finding out it takes too long to collect enough coins. You and I might have time to focus on grinding for legendaries but you need to have an open mind and think about the real casual player who has like 2-3 hours of game times per day. I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary. There are a lot of contents in this game and what is fun when you only have 2-3 hours of game time and have to grind for something you want in a game. Remember this, Gw2 is a game, not a 2nd full-time job.

    • Making a Gen 1 is easy but Gen 2 is a bit different, sure you get the clovers then what? Those 250 Mystic Coin for Mystic Tribute is not free.

    • About the devalue of T6 Mats, the value is going down because you can grind that mats but for the coin, you have a limited way to do it. Grinding t6 map is not that easy either to get a full stack of T6 it takes hours too, it is not as you go to Drizzle Coast, goes around does some events here and there, and kaboom 1 stack of T6 mats.

    • Stop using the word "cry" lol, people have the right to mention and discuss. If you do not like these posts so stop reading them. It is not that hard. Using words like cry does not make you superior compare to others. You might have a top value account in Gw2, you might say crafting legendaries is easy for you, well Good for you then. However, you need to stay open-minded and respect other people opinion

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    " I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary."

    Legendaries weapons are a luxury , should we hand them out? Especially given that you can get one instantly on the TP.
    2000g / 30g per hour = 66 hours of playtime

    Really, of all things you picked legendary weapons to write about...

    If you argument was to flood the market with more ways to obtain ascended weapons you'd have a cogent argument.

  • @Infusion.7149 said:
    " I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary."

    Legendaries weapons are a luxury , should we hand them out? Especially given that you can get one instantly on the TP.
    2000g / 30g per hour = 66 hours of playtime

    Really, of all things you picked legendary weapons to write about...

    Can you sell me a Chuka and Champawat right away please

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @Infusion.7149 said:
    " I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary."

    Legendaries weapons are a luxury , should we hand them out? Especially given that you can get one instantly on the TP.
    2000g / 30g per hour = 66 hours of playtime

    Really, of all things you picked legendary weapons to write about...

    Can you sell me a Chuka and Champawat right away please

    So your argument is Gen II legendaries are too hard to get now?

    P.S. it's still a luxury item.

  • @Infusion.7149 said:

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @Infusion.7149 said:
    " I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary."

    Legendaries weapons are a luxury , should we hand them out? Especially given that you can get one instantly on the TP.
    2000g / 30g per hour = 66 hours of playtime

    Really, of all things you picked legendary weapons to write about...

    Can you sell me a Chuka and Champawat right away please

    So your argument is Gen II legendaries are too hard to get now?

    P.S. it's still a luxury item.

    Supply and Demand brother not about legendary.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Arbitrarily throwing out “supply and demand” isn’t much of an argument.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The value of Mystic coins going up is normal. I'm used to and expect seeing it at 2.5g a piece.

    Not releasing new legendary weapons regularly as well as increasing the chance of most valuable drops in the absolute latest maps is causing the materials to drop in value. If they do Gen 3 weapons, things are going to be hell on Mystic Coins. However, everything else goes up in value as well.

    It's just a shame that everything T5 and lower is losing value quickly because they are not being given to us in the latest content. There's no reason to go into any map under level 80 as things continue.

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  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    Supply and Demand brother not about legendary.

    The semiconductor supply is in hot demand for mining and Porsche + Tesla can't get enough chips. Do you care about that too?

    Plus in 7 months you the "surveyed players" would have 20x7=140 mystic coins from just logging in , on top of 7x7 = 49 mystic clovers from monthly rewards. If they do daily ley line anomaly that's another 210 or so mystic coins.

    I suspect you have ulterior motives here. You picked one of the worst examples too since the Chuka & Champawat collections are a bigger hurdle for someone who is casual , much like jump puzzles are an issue for people with poor reflexes making Aurora harder. Gift of Battle "takes too much time in a competitive mode" is another complaint commonly posted. Other gen II legendaries that don't involve anything other than HoT meta are basically glorified gen 1 legendaries once you have HoT or PoF map completion.

    Since your purported playtime is 16 hours then you can just do ley line anomaly on an alt , it's minutes long. Mystic coins aren't accountbound.

    The last thing we need is more handouts just for logging in or any content that is purely a farm (see public DRM afkers). That just makes more accounts that aren't actively played with player interaction on a social and economic level. Requiring active play is needed for a healthy game ecosystem (especially a MMO) , not just economically but to sustain the playerbase. That's a major problem in ranked PvP right now , the rewards just for showing up exacerbated the botting situation since the rewards are uncapped. Custom arena has a limit on it. I've also been against daily veteran slayer in WvW for the longest time since it contributes nothing to the matchup whatsoever and just leads to afk players in the corner: they could have put daily yak defender and it would be similarly low effort.

    If you just care about the supply announce ley line anomaly in your guild or something. Supply will only go up if more is introduced.

  • Greg.7086Greg.7086 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @Frozenize.9603 Your post does echo the sentiments by many players in-game, but I in my humble opinion I think Anet wants the prices for Coins to stay as they are.

    1) On the plus side for newbie players selling MC's are a great source of income @ Game start. If we cast our minds back to when we started out: No gold, no gems (non-gem users) it was incredibly hard at game-start to make sufficient gold to buy anything much, let alone to get your 1st crafting professions maxed out: Its a fast, easy gold wind-fall for newbies selling their MC's, ~16 Instant Gold on the day you get x8 MC's.

    2) The fact that the log-in reward being the main/easy way to get the coins it also encourages players to buy/make additional acccounts, mabye purchase further Xpac's for those accounts, and low and behold purchase additional Gemstore on their alt accounts, possibly only limited to QoL purchases : Good business acumen.

    3) I ask players complaining about MC cost: What do they spend their 2G daily reward on ? Easy answer for me is I've used my 2G Daily for the last 2-3 years to buy approx. 1 Coin each day, so slightly short of what the cost is atm, but give or take a bit it equates to ~ 28-29 Coins per month: No brainer eh ?!

    4) The trade-off I find for those that find MC's costly that also want to craft a Legendary is: The cheaper T5/T6 mats ( massive increase in players due to lockdown, more players farming, more afk farmer bots, drizzlewood mats++, Icebrood Saga (Exalted, Deldrimor chests etc): We have a massive supply these days of T5/T6, keeping prices low.

    5) I've crafted/bought my fair share of Gen1/Gen2 Legendaries and interestingly enough don't find the Gen 1's in TP to have risen too astronomical in price over-time (ofc no costly Mystic Tribute and therefore need for mystic coins): i..e they are within reach for any level 80 player that wants to put some graft in to either craft, or farm and buy...but I also remind myself Legendaries are very niceQoL (stat changeable), sigil/rune/infusion extractable with no extractor required, nice graphical effects, but other than that for me they are just glorified items with no damage/armour enhancement better than Ascended.

    6) I'm a functional kind of guy, and constantly ask myself the question: Why did I make 2 x Legendary Great Swords, since how often will I actually stat change or even swap sigils in a GS: As a power weapon constantly run Berserker, sometimes dependent on game-mode switch to Marauder but never swap to another stat attribute and even the stat change Berserker>Marauder on 1 item is not something I notice, so I could have happily stuck with an Ascended Great Sword as does the exact same job on the battlefield....

    7_) .....this brings me to my point that IF the Mystic Coins price rose too high, I would definitly NOT buy MC's from TP at all. I would just acrue MC's slowly myself through login rewards (multi-account), Leyline Anomaly, Fractals/WvW, and making a Legendary I would just see as an end-game luxury (nothing else better to spend my gold on or invest my time into). Mystic Clovers I could just farm through Drizzlewood Caches, WvW reward tracks, fractals. Since I've no actual competitve damage/armour benefit from Legendary items I could not justify to myself in buying the coins from TP if they rose too high. People also remind me that Nightfury (not Leggy) costs 250 Coins, but again this is just a luxury, graphical effect item: We don't need it at all to compete at highest levels, again if it was something that I really really wanted I would acrue my own coins slowly over time.

    8) I'm all for players speculating, many of us do the same on a vast array of items in-game. However, specualation is not without risk. Even if their is 1 player that has amassed 1 million, 2 million, or even 10 million coins, but paid market value at the time they invested: 1.5G-2G then good luck to them is what I say ( But I certainly will not be buying their MC's from TP if the price rises too much!! ): Obviously speculating on the fact if and when Legendary Armoury hits us, the coins will spike.

    9) BUT ** and a **BIG BUT HERE: Just imagine if simultaneously, without warning, at the launch of Legendary Armoury Anet launches alternative methods to obtain MC's and the supply massively increases, sinking the price, those MC investors will be hit badly where it hurts. C'est la vie of speculation!

    10) Example>>> Magumma Lilies: An investor friend of mine speculated on Magumma Lilies bought 10,000 of them during Dragon Bash (Dragon Coffers), supply the greatest time of the year due to the coffers, bought at ~4G each hoping as per pre-festival the price was selling 7.5G-8G, and with no warning from Anet the drop-rate from Jungle Plants was increased, sinking the price to what it is now ? 92 silver each: Work out the MAth on how much gold he lost!!! Many say the same thing will never happen to MC's but who knows for sure. That's specualtion for you, nothing certain, yes Speculators can make massive amounts of gold, but also lose massively ( funny how we only tend to hear about the gold made, and ofc those that have made massive losses keep quiet, as not something they want to broadcast!!)

    11) TLDR: Price for Mystic Coins at current market value is okay.

    12) PRO-TIP: Multi-account daily login, Run fractals CMs+T4 or even just T4 is enough on more than one account: Best investment you can make if you want clovers, fast gold/time spent. You'll have all the Mystic Clovers, Mystic Coins you'll ever need ( Coins: Daily login on each account, + buy from TP with the gold you make from running fractals on more than one account you'll soon have abundance of both )

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @Frozenize.9603 said:
    Mystic Coin scarcity is a big problem for the Gw2 Community atm in my opinion.

    welcome on Trading Post! tonns of Mystic Coins waits your!

    For Legendary Gen 1 you need around 231 Coins for 77 Mystic Clovers

    For Legendary Gen 1 you need 0 mystic coins. Take Clover from another source IF mc price big for you. Welcome on Drizzle meta or wvw.

    legendary Gen 2, you might need at least 481 Coins for Mystic Tribute.

    for gen2 you need 250. And if you start do legendary - be legendary rich. This is i-end content. It should not be easy doible per few weeks for everyone.

    and push the price to 4 gold.

    This is not problem. 4 gold? for leg2 spend 1000 golds for 250 ms and get clover fro another source. IT is cheap and easy.

    Remember when coin price was 15-20 silver per piece and not is might get to 4-5 gold, how crazy is that.

    I don't see any problem is MC can be 10 gold for craft leg2. It is also CHEAP.

    Buy gems, convert to gold, and if it cheap - buy from TP asap. For me critical price for one MC - is 50 gold. In this way I will get is only from dayli login.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @Infusion.7149 said:
    " I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary."

    Legendaries weapons are a luxury , should we hand them out? Especially given that you can get one instantly on the TP.
    2000g / 30g per hour = 66 hours of playtime

    Really, of all things you picked legendary weapons to write about...

    Can you sell me a Chuka and Champawat right away please

    I crafted my Chuka and Champowat 6-8 months ago. It cost around 2,200 gold back then to craft. (can't pinpoint the exact moment given I have crafted on average 1.5 legendary items per months for over a year now).

    As of this writing, the cost to craft it according to efficiency is: 2,146 gold.

    You keep omitting the price decline in other materials other than Mystic Coins. In this case ALSO the severe drop in price of Amalgamated Gemstones on top of T6 materials (which have declined further since then).

    No matter how you spin it, crafting T2 legendary items has also not increased.

    Now will this hold true IF Mystic Coins keep increasing? No. Right now though, legendarys are not more expensive than in the past. On the contrary, when making use of Mystic Clover acquisition outside of the Mystic Toilet, it has become cheaper across the board. Even WHEN using the Mystic Toilet to craft Clovers, the prices have remained stable so far.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @Cuks.8241 said:
    You're assuming mystic coins are the only source of clovers. I don't think it has ever been cheaper to craft or buy a legendary.

    If you are a PVE-Only player then yes Mystic Coin is the only source of Mystic Clover. For WvW Drizzlewood coast reward track is unrepeatable, for other reward tracks its about 2-4 Clovers per final box and I think it might be the same for PVP. Even if I dedicate all my gaming time (16 hours per day) to just doing WvW at most I can get 2-3 Final Box which is about 12 Clovers per day.

    So.. like many things in GW 2 you are saying coins and clovers are effectively time gated unless you want to spend more gold on them?

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    Also, the last time I calculated, you could acquire 75-80 mystic coins a month just by playing the game

    And clovers? 7 from monthly reward, and, with 4 hours a day, 15 more from Reward tracks.

    We don’t have a ‘scarcity’ problem in mystic coins.

    Buy them, or okay for them. Having the ‘need for it now’ makes it more expensive. Saving for it, makes it cost almost nothing but time.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    How can an item we get for free be scarce?

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • flog.3485flog.3485 Member ✭✭✭

    The problem is that the OP thinks mystic coins are supposed to be easy come by, when it is very much supposed to be a long term goal. Considering the dwindling prices of mats in general, it is only natural that the prices of mystic is steadily rising.

    That said, I think it would be amazing, if in the near/distant future, there was way to gain a mystic coin per day through endgame content.
    You could unlock a NPC in the guild hall that would trade you a mystic coin for doing your daily tier 4 fractals, a daily set of three strike missions and one raid encounter. For example, at the price of one guild commendation, you could purchase one object that you could keep in your inventory that would record your daily activity and that you give back to the NPC to get a mystic coin.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @flog.3485 said:
    The problem is that the OP thinks mystic coins are supposed to be easy come by, when it is very much supposed to be a long term goal.

    they no supposed to easy come. You get it from dayli login fro free. So you can imagine what thay accbount and not check praises at all.
    Also keep at rule not use them in forge to gel clover. Simple the best.

    Considering the dwindling prices of mats in general, it is only natural that the prices of mystic is steadily rising.

    not care about that. Keep yours and relax.

    That said, I think it would be amazing, if in the near/distant future, there was way to gain a mystic coin per day through endgame content.

    you should be happy that they not account bound and sell-able only per gems .. 100 gems is one coin.

    You could unlock a NPC in the guild hall that would trade you a mystic coin for doing your daily tier 4 fractals

    we already have a lot of MC per fractal cm .. I have more few stack and they eat space on bank.. Please no more from any npc.

    want solid balance ? - play chess.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You can always use the forum search function, this topic has been discussed more than the CDC talks about new anticovid guidelines.
    Answers are there. Ty hf

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    I keep hearing the same explanations about how the situation is stable over and over again, and yet the price is still rising, and we keep having those talks more and more often now, as the next breakpoints in price are being breached faster and faster. At this rate, it's quite realistic to expect us to have the same talk this year about a spike to 4g, or even higher. And people will be saying how everything is fine, because "the price immediately stabilized at 3.2g, so the increase was only temporary".

    But of course everything is perfectly fine and nothing worth mentioning is happening. Just move along and pretend you haven't seen anything, good sir or madam.

    Mystic coin price is one the more stable price on the TP. Compare it to other mats. When farmable materials get cheaper the price of the time-limited commodity will increase. This is actually good because it means people are actually playing the game and crafting legendaries. If the MC price would decrease in the current market, it would be concerning because it would mean people are not crafting leggies. I think this is actually the purpose of MCs, to keep legendaries rare and their price stable. Since the price of legendaries is actually decreasing you could even conclude that MCs are actually undervalued and we can expect a further price increase.
    If I would expect a supply/price correction from Anet, I think it would be the other way people are expecting. Decrease the supply to increase the price to keep legendaries somewhat exclusive.

    I might be wrong but I think legendaries were never intended for casual players.

  • Gotejjeken.1267Gotejjeken.1267 Member ✭✭✭

    @Frozenize.9603 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Parasite.5389 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    Why do posts like these that talk about the inflation in mystic coins never acknowledge the deflation in t6 mats?

    Because the Devaluation of T6 mats can be more easily explained; just looking at trading data show the supply has been increasing for most of the materials for around a year now, this coincides with the releases of the Drizzlewood maps

    Yes... thank you for pointing this out.
    My point is this:
    Players who make this complaint (and we have seen a few over the past year or so) always point to how hard to makes crafting a legendary.
    They never acknowledge how much easier their loot farms have made it, how much faster it is to accrue t6 mats thanks to Drizzlewood or the Volatile Magic Farms. All we hear are the sob stories.
    Making a Legendary item in this game has never been easier, but these posts about Mystic Coins that cry "what about the casuals making legendaries??" don't stop.

    I am not even a casual player and I find out even with everything I do daily I can only make around 5-6 coins per day per 1 account. I am talking about Supply and Demand mostly. There is more demand than supply for the Coin market and a lot of TP Baron know that so they are holding coins especially Goldrim who holds approx 500,000 Mystics Coin and his account worth 16.3 million gold. Just this morning the moment I posted this discussion, the Coin price was 3 gold because some guy just purchasing a huge amount of coins on the market. I even know some people who have around 20k - 50k coins in their banks. They are all waiting for EOD and Steam release to jack up the coin price to 4 gold. When Coin reaches 4 gold each, Legendary Gen 1 price is up, T6 mats will also back to primetime. Not to mention, new legendaries might also be released with the expansion. I do not know how many Legendaries you have crafted but as a person who has unlocked 75% of the legendaries items in this game and I am crafting new legendary every 2 or 3 weeks, I am still finding out it takes too long to collect enough coins. You and I might have time to focus on grinding for legendaries but you need to have an open mind and think about the real casual player who has like 2-3 hours of game times per day. I have done some surveys with the real casual players, and trust me when I say it takes them approx 7-8 months for 1 legendary. There are a lot of contents in this game and what is fun when you only have 2-3 hours of game time and have to grind for something you want in a game. Remember this, Gw2 is a game, not a 2nd full-time job.

    • Making a Gen 1 is easy but Gen 2 is a bit different, sure you get the clovers then what? Those 250 Mystic Coin for Mystic Tribute is not free.

    • About the devalue of T6 Mats, the value is going down because you can grind that mats but for the coin, you have a limited way to do it. Grinding t6 map is not that easy either to get a full stack of T6 it takes hours too, it is not as you go to Drizzle Coast, goes around does some events here and there, and kaboom 1 stack of T6 mats.

    • Stop using the word "cry" lol, people have the right to mention and discuss. If you do not like these posts so stop reading them. It is not that hard. Using words like cry does not make you superior compare to others. You might have a top value account in Gw2, you might say crafting legendaries is easy for you, well Good for you then. However, you need to stay open-minded and respect other people opinion

    Real casual players get out the credit card and buy every mat from the TP instantly. Then they play the game for the collection's and stuff you can't buy.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cuks.8241 said:
    Mystic coin price is one the more stable price on the TP. Compare it to other mats.

    If you mean "stably increasing in price" then sure. Other mats have their ups and downs and we can easily expect that something that is down now may increase in price in the future (and the other way around). Not so MCs. They generally only go up. Any spikes in price are temporary, and either don't affect that longterm trend at all, or just accelerate it even further.

    When farmable materials get cheaper the price of the time-limited commodity will increase.

    That price was increasing even when the price of farmable materials was stable, or even during those times when they were going up. Those prices seem to be completely unrelated, and the fact that currently this resulted in some sort of "self-correction" of legendary prices is purely accidental.

    I think this is actually the purpose of MCs, to keep legendaries rare and their price stable.

    No. The current situation of MCs is purely due to the belief of a certain previous GW2 economy guy, who thought that the bubble is going to burst as soon as people's bank mats tabs will get filled with MCs and they'd start selling. That decision was made when MCs were at 50s. Years later that person no longer works for Anet, but the people are still hoarding, and the price is still increasing.

    I might be wrong but I think legendaries were never intended for casual players.

    Legendaries were originally meant to be an "endgame" everyone can go for (even if in the end not everyone's going to reach).

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Shadowmoon.7986Shadowmoon.7986 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its 100% the issue that people use them as a defacto currency like people used ecto and armbraces in gw1. This leads to hoarding.

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Cuks.8241 said:
    I think this is actually the purpose of MCs, to keep legendaries rare and their price stable.

    No. The current situation of MCs is purely due to the belief of a certain previous GW2 economy guy, who thought that the bubble is going to burst as soon as people's bank mats tabs will get filled with MCs and they'd start selling. That decision was made when MCs were at 50s. Years later that person no longer works for Anet, but the people are still hoarding, and the price is still increasing.

    Care to elaborate on that because I dont see the connection of your post to the purpose of a material like mystic coin with limited aquisition methods.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2021

    If people were going to use the Mystic Coins themselves, maybe they shouldn't have put them on the TP to sell them...
    I don't see how the people that try to manipulate the markets changes that at all.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hm, I never ran into not having enough of them. I get my daily login rewards and dailies where possible and I seem to be getting more mystic coins than I spend on legendaries and other things. But maybe the difference is that I just play one character. He is nearly full legendary tho.

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