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Almost 8 months since EoD trailer. When is the next teaser/reveal?

PoF and HoT didnt take this long for extra content of what to expect. After that small teaser the hype is gone and this game feels stale as it always had without something new worth holding onto. Get-into-gear anet.

im sure you can muster 3 skills that work just fine on one elite spec to show per week. like the chronomancer had for HoT.

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  • @Grand Marshal.4098 said:
    Only reason the first trailer was released so early was because Anet saw that GW2 didn't make enough money and used the expac tactic to keep us hooked until then so we can all buy the gemstore stuff released until EoD.

    I'd say don't expect anything but a small teaser for the prelude of the expac by the end of the abomination known as Champions.

    DRMS are lame addition to quelch our thirst for more content. seems like something blizzard would have advised.

  • @aspirine.6852 said:
    A few pictures would be nice, and not too much to ask..

    hear hear!

  • Zephire.8049Zephire.8049 Member ✭✭✭

    Odds are we won't see anything until the end of IBS because they're reticent to spoil anything before that story concludes, up to and including terrain assets judging by the Sunqua Peak Guild Chat.

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    A few pictures would be nice, and not too much to ask..

    They did do that in December, albeit it was only 4 or 5 images that didn't really tell us much.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/see-you-in-2021/

  • yoni.7015yoni.7015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I would expect some news at the end of the Icebrood Saga.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zephire.8049 said:
    Odds are we won't see anything until the end of IBS because they're reticent to spoil anything before that story concludes, up to and including terrain assets judging by the Sunqua Peak Guild Chat.

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    A few pictures would be nice, and not too much to ask..

    They did do that in December, albeit it was only 4 or 5 images that didn't really tell us much.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/see-you-in-2021/

    Those were some nice concepts but like you said not telling much. Just perhaps that echovald buildings could look really good..

  • Zephire.8049Zephire.8049 Member ✭✭✭

    @aspirine.6852 said:

    @Zephire.8049 said:
    Odds are we won't see anything until the end of IBS because they're reticent to spoil anything before that story concludes, up to and including terrain assets judging by the Sunqua Peak Guild Chat.

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    A few pictures would be nice, and not too much to ask..

    They did do that in December, albeit it was only 4 or 5 images that didn't really tell us much.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/see-you-in-2021/

    Those were some nice concepts but like you said not telling much. Just perhaps that echovald buildings could look really good..

    Yeah. Pretty concept art only goes so far.

    I get Anet not wanting to spoil the main story, but periodic location and creature concept art would go a long way in easing some of the frustration at the lack of information for EoD. Plus we already know it will be in Cantha which means we know the locations and creatures from GW1 so neither is really a spoiler unless it's brand new.

  • @Zephire.8049 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:

    @Zephire.8049 said:
    Odds are we won't see anything until the end of IBS because they're reticent to spoil anything before that story concludes, up to and including terrain assets judging by the Sunqua Peak Guild Chat.

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    A few pictures would be nice, and not too much to ask..

    They did do that in December, albeit it was only 4 or 5 images that didn't really tell us much.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/see-you-in-2021/

    Those were some nice concepts but like you said not telling much. Just perhaps that echovald buildings could look really good..

    Yeah. Pretty concept art only goes so far.

    I get Anet not wanting to spoil the main story, but periodic location and creature concept art would go a long way in easing some of the frustration at the lack of information for EoD. Plus we already know it will be in Cantha which means we know the locations and creatures from GW1 so neither is really a spoiler unless it's brand new.

    new elite specs dont mess with the story either as no one can spoil the new story from elite specs alone.

  • Zephire.8049Zephire.8049 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lithril Ashwalker.6230 said:

    @Zephire.8049 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:

    @Zephire.8049 said:
    Odds are we won't see anything until the end of IBS because they're reticent to spoil anything before that story concludes, up to and including terrain assets judging by the Sunqua Peak Guild Chat.

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    A few pictures would be nice, and not too much to ask..

    They did do that in December, albeit it was only 4 or 5 images that didn't really tell us much.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/see-you-in-2021/

    Those were some nice concepts but like you said not telling much. Just perhaps that echovald buildings could look really good..

    Yeah. Pretty concept art only goes so far.

    I get Anet not wanting to spoil the main story, but periodic location and creature concept art would go a long way in easing some of the frustration at the lack of information for EoD. Plus we already know it will be in Cantha which means we know the locations and creatures from GW1 so neither is really a spoiler unless it's brand new.

    new elite specs dont mess with the story either as no one can spoil the new story from elite specs alone.

    It depends on the elite spec and with elite specs there can be an issue of people hearing a concept and hyping it up way too much and then getting angry when the reality of a spec is different than what they expected, even if literally nothing was said about a spec but the name.

    That said, if they were to put out various concept art (possibly even models and renders) of places, creatures, and even characters, they could tease elite specs without saying anything about them and that would avoid the above situation. Or find another way to tease or reveal elite specs that wouldn't cause issues down the line because players built up their expectations far too high.

    But the bottom line is that they could have been way better about showing what's going on with EoD while still keeping hard information close to their chest during IBS and hopefully come the finale of that, they'll start showing players what they've been working on while utilizing some of the worst grind I've come across in an MMO to keep players playing. 'cause they really did drop the ball there.

  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 4, 2021

    Icebrood Saga ends at the end of the month with the last champions episode. I imagine the finale will tie into EoD since the first description we got on them was that the finale would be felt "even across the sea".
    I'm glad they haven't said much on EoD yet, It's much smarter to start promo closer to release. I'm hoping they give us at least 2 months of proper trailers and promotion to hype up the expansion. They'll have been working on it for almost a year it'd be a shame if they didn't promote or give time for word to spread outside of the GW2 bubble.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Expect content to be released between Champions and EoD.

    Icebrood Saga weapon collections cost 10500 Gold to craft! Including new Fiery/Icy Weapons!
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  • BunjiKugashira.9754BunjiKugashira.9754 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There are so many things they could show us without spoiling anything. We already know about many of the creatures in Cantha from GW1. Why doesn't ANet show us screenshots or even short video clips of their GW2 counterparts?
    It's almost like they don't want people to talk about the expansion out of fear someone might actually want to buy it.
    Give us something to talk about!

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  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wow, the craving for more and more information is intense with some of you. It's totally okay for the devs to tell us what they want when they want. There is no rule about when previews must happen. Life is nicer when you just sit back and enjoy the wait... I know, I'm old. I'll see myself out now 😬

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i hope it take ages... better quality stuff instead of rushed stuff, meanwhile im closing near all IBS achievments.

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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 5, 2021

    Hopefully the release schedule isn’t on the Alliances timeframe. 😬

    But yeah, kind of surprised they haven’t popped something else yet.

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  • Doggie.3184Doggie.3184 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm looking forward to seeing the tons of new Medium Armor sets that look just like the GW1 Assassin armor from Cantha without any unnessary addons/alterations like stapled on buttcapes. It's basically a "100% must happen" type of thing that will make or break the game so I'm positive there'll be tons of awesome skin-tight Thief skins to bring back that "gotta go fast" look of GW1 Assassins. So excited to finally get this after 3145 days of waiting, not including the future days wait till release. Thanks Anet for putting in so much hard work to restore such beautiful Canthan armor. The Luxon Assassin armor is especially fantastic. I wonder if their giant turtles will still around to ride while wearing it.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "Emergency Button" Are you serious 🤨 I strongly disagree. The game is doing fine.

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  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hmm, let's see. Icebrood Saga announce August 20, 2019 (3rd quarter 2019). End of Dragons was announced March 12, 2020 (1st quarter 2020)
    Revenue for 2nd quarter 2019 - 15, 882
    Revenue for 3rd quarter 2019 - 15, 138

    Revenue for 4th quarter 2019 - 11, 331
    Revenue for 1st quarter 2020 - 12, 530 (These 2 quarters having revenue similar to 2nd quarter 2017 - 13,550)

    There was an increase in the next quarter (2nd quarter 2020) - 15, 639 (Similar to 2nd quarter 2019)
    And another in the 3rd quarter 2020 - 18, 818 (About the same revenue as 2nd quarter 2018 - 19,860 or 3rd quarter 2017 - 20,145)

    Either news about EoD was slow to be assimilated, or some other reason for an uptick in revenue. Gem Store offerings? Sales on expansions?

    And, the last quarter we have revenue information on, so far, 4th quarter 2020 - 14,166

    Not sure what effect, exactly, the announcement had on revenue. But, I'm sure that when End of Dragons is offered for sale, revenue will increase.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Either news about EoD was slow to be assimilated, or some other reason for an uptick in revenue. Gem Store offerings? Sales on expansions?

    You already mentioned that EoD announcement was in 12th of March. That's at the very end of Q1, so obviously the results wouldn't have been felt until Q2.

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  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    "Emergency Button" Are you serious 🤨 I strongly disagree. The game is doing fine.

    I think the game was doing ok but there were obvious problems with how they wanted to do things going forward, A living world only format was never going to draw in or retain players like semi-regular expansions would and I think that was realized half way trough the Icebrood saga. So not necessarily an emergency button but similar.

    I'm just glad they realized it and decided to do what's best.

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Either news about EoD was slow to be assimilated, or some other reason for an uptick in revenue. Gem Store offerings? Sales on expansions?

    You already mentioned that EoD announcement was in 12th of March. That's at the very end of Q1, so obviously the results wouldn't have been felt until Q2.

    Which is why I listed Q2, Q3 and Q4. And said what I said.

  • Healix.5819Healix.5819 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Either news about EoD was slow to be assimilated, or some other reason for an uptick in revenue. Gem Store offerings? Sales on expansions?

    Sales would have increased regardless due to the lockdowns. For some extra data: forum activity.

  • Inculpatus cedo.9234Inculpatus cedo.9234 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Exactly.
    Thus, not dead because of an announcement, nor suddenly alive because of one, either.

  • Thing is. We all consider GW2 one of the great MMORPGs out there.
    But at this pace FFXIV will release it's expansion before GW2, and they announced it just a few months ago, like 2 or 3. And the playerbase has a very good idea of what is coming, since well, XIV is a game of consistency and very strict schedules.

    I don't know how bad/low is the resources directed towards the development of GW2, but the lack of content, frecuency of it and lack of consistency in their updates is like a great flaw in order to keep us player actively playing and thus, purchasing/consuming. Since i heard about the new expansion months ago, i would think there would be at least a website already showing more than 4 pieces of concept arts. Like we could have at least some reveals, maybe one new elite per month. Some of the assets being added to the game. Hints about new gameplay mechanics.

    Though if anything, i think Anet needs to restructure the content delivery to be more streamlined and more consistent. And to salvage several parts of the game that are basically abandoned... How about you finish the Super Adventure box for example... I know it has nothing to do with the expansion, but illustrates my point about the great flaw of their development cycles: Consistency. The lack of it.

  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Doggie.3184 said:
    I'm looking forward to seeing the tons of new Medium Armor sets that look just like the GW1 Assassin armor from Cantha without any unnessary addons/alterations like stapled on buttcapes. It's basically a "100% must happen" type of thing that will make or break the game so I'm positive there'll be tons of awesome skin-tight Thief skins to bring back that "gotta go fast" look of GW1 Assassins. So excited to finally get this after 3145 days of waiting, not including the future days wait till release. Thanks Anet for putting in so much hard work to restore such beautiful Canthan armor. The Luxon Assassin armor is especially fantastic. I wonder if their giant turtles will still around to ride while wearing it.

    Is this your first new expansion? They don't introduce many new skins with the expansion, although you can expect them to be in the gem store.

  • I'm hoping for a new race a new personal story line, and am baffled why it took 8yrs to capitalize on the best areas in GW1. Cantha and the Jade sea were amazing environments. I personally, never really liked Nightfall, but they have extracted the heck out of that.

    Without a new race or at least a new personal story entrance to the game, I don't see that experienced players would have any real reason to create a new character ever again. What do you do when you have a character of each race and each class?

    I also think it would be nice to see more concept art. For HoT they had people drooling over the revenant because it was being demoed. We'd see hints of new areas.

  • Substance E.4852Substance E.4852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Doggie.3184 said:
    I'm looking forward to seeing the tons of new Armor sets that look just like the GW1 Assassin armor from Cantha without any unnessary addons/alterations like stapled on buttcapes. It's basically a "100% must happen" type of thing that will make or break the game so I'm positive there'll be tons of awesome skin-tight Thief skins to bring back that "gotta go fast" look of GW1 Assassins. So excited to finally get this after 3145 days of waiting, not including the future days wait till release. Thanks Anet for putting in so much hard work to restore such beautiful Canthan armor. The Luxon Assassin armor is especially fantastic. I wonder if their giant turtles will still around to ride while wearing it.

    Based on the last two expansions:

    -We'll be lucky to get three
    -At least one of them will be a grotesquely over designed trench coat mess of spikes/blades that looked good as concept art but fails utterly to present itself in 3D
    -One will probably be pretty okay but will be a huge pain in the butt to get, disproportionate to how fancy it is
    -The last set will be nice but also much more so than the others such that EVERYONE will be running around in it

  • Robban.1256Robban.1256 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lithril Ashwalker.6230 said:
    PoF and HoT didnt take this long for extra content of what to expect. After that small teaser the hype is gone and this game feels stale as it always had without something new worth holding onto. Get-into-gear anet.

    im sure you can muster 3 skills that work just fine on one elite spec to show per week. like the chronomancer had for HoT.

    That wasn't a trailer BTW. That was an teaser.

    A teaser is a short trailer that doesn't give away any plot details but gives us a glimpse of the tone and characters of the movie. A trailer is a video that sometimes gives us some of the plot details, normally 30 seconds to 2 minutes and 30 seconds, but can vary

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  • Mortifera.6138Mortifera.6138 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2021

    @Grand Marshal.4098 said:
    Only reason the first trailer was released so early was because Anet saw that GW2 didn't make enough money and used the expac tactic to keep us hooked until then so we can all buy the gemstore stuff released until EoD.

    I'd say don't expect anything but a small teaser for the prelude of the expac by the end of the abomination known as Champions.

    Well, everyone was saying they had gone into maintenance mode, so they had to save face.

    Naturally, they are going to wait for the end of Champions to start hyping up EoD.

  • yefluke.3168yefluke.3168 Member ✭✭

    Now, I am craving for new 1600-2000 Mount Skin instead. At least it is possible than Anet give us EoD 's

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Substance E.4852 said:
    Based on the last two expansions:
    -At least one of them will be a grotesquely over designed trench coat mess of spikes/blades that looked good as concept art but fails utterly to present itself in 3D

    LOL yeah, with the bladed and the bounty hunter sets (HoT ~ PoF) im not very optimistic about the ingame armour they plan to include at the expansion's launch. elonian/spearmarshal (PoF) was nice and warbeast (PoF) looked nice on light classes but that's about it in my opinion, the rest of the sets on HoT/PoF launch were unremarkable or ugly.


    but yeah maybe they might give us really good canthan inspired (asian) and kurzick/luxon style armour sets so im not completely 100% negative about it lol

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Arenanet most likely announced the expansion as some kind of emergency button after they realized that Season 5 is a massive failure.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they currently don't have anything that is ready for presentation.

    When Anet announced the Season 5 as the Icebrood Saga they had much bigger plans for the Saga and no plans for an expansion.

    According to someone from Anet: During working on Season 5 someone in (higher) management decided, as a surprise to the devs, to make an expansion. So they had to (somehow) cancel all/most unfinished work on Season 5 (and work on the expansion) but still try to end the story arc of Season 5 like it was planned.

    So I guess, they did not announce the expansion because of a massive failure of Season 5 but because the decision of making an expansion was not made earlier. And probably because of that management decision Season 5 became this much bigger failure than if would have been without shifting all resources to the expansion.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8, 2021

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Arenanet most likely announced the expansion as some kind of emergency button after they realized that Season 5 is a massive failure.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they currently don't have anything that is ready for presentation.

    When Anet announced the Season 5 as the Icebrood Saga they had much bigger plans for the Saga and no plans for an expansion.

    According to someone from Anet: During working on Season 5 someone in (higher) management decided, as a surprise to the devs, to make an expansion. So they had to (somehow) cancel all/most unfinished work on Season 5 (and work on the expansion) but still try to end the story arc of Season 5 like it was planned.

    So I guess, they did not announce the expansion because of a massive failure of Season 5 but because the decision of making an expansion was not made earlier. And probably because of that management decision Season 5 became this much bigger failure than if would have been without shifting all resources to the expansion.

    It's very likely, actually, that the decision made by management was due to how Season 5 got received. It might have surprised the devs working on it, but, remember, they were devs, not higher management, and they probably did not have access to many of the informations - like the business ones, for example.

    And as for "much bigger plans for Season 5", that was almost certainly nothing more than few more maps comparable to those we've already got (there was 6 spots reserved in the map book if i remember right?). They almost certainly didn;t plan anything bigger than that. And of the "expansion level content" they said they were going to deliver, i'm quite sure we've already seen the most of it. We've just didn't notice, because it didn't seem "expansion worthy" to us.
    The feature we didn't get yet is probably the legendary armoury.
    ...and Alliances. We can't forget about Alliances. Those are surely riiight behind the corner.

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zok.4956 said:
    When Anet announced the Season 5 as the Icebrood Saga they had much bigger plans for the Saga and no plans for an expansion.
    So I guess, they did not announce the expansion because of a massive failure of Season 5 but because the decision of making an expansion was not made earlier. And probably because of that management decision Season 5 became this much bigger failure than if would have been without shifting all resources to the expansion.

    I think so, too. I just hope they will get enough time to produce something formidable, else I'm going to cry. :cry:

    According to someone from Anet: During working on Season 5 someone in (higher) management decided, as a surprise to the devs, to make an expansion. So they had to (somehow) cancel all/most unfinished work on Season 5 (and work on the expansion) but still try to end the story arc of Season 5 like it was planned.

    While it's a shame the IBS had to suffer from this, I applaud whoever was responsible for that decision of making another expansion. I am so sick and tired of Living World that I welcome a complete product release - spoon feeding isn't my thing when it comes to story-telling.

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    @Nephalem.8921 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    "Emergency Button" Are you serious 🤨 I strongly disagree. The game is doing fine.

    No it kinda wasnt. It would be dead without the cantha announcement.
    It lost a lot of revenue after ibs announcement.

    Then maybe it should have focused on other areas than a terrible storyline.... like WvW!

  • Konrad Curze.5130Konrad Curze.5130 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bristingr.5034 said:

    @Nephalem.8921 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    "Emergency Button" Are you serious 🤨 I strongly disagree. The game is doing fine.

    No it kinda wasnt. It would be dead without the cantha announcement.
    It lost a lot of revenue after ibs announcement.

    Then maybe it should have focused on other areas than a terrible storyline.... like WvW!

    I fairly sure that, as bad as IBS was, it still made then tons more revenue than WvW would.

    The difference between WvW and sPvP in this game is that WvW still has a very weak, faint pulse while sPvP is medically certified dead. Other than that, neither are anywhere remotely near the same league as PvE.

    Focusing on WvW or sPvP instead of LWS or some or whatever PvE content would be straight up financial suicide for Anet.

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konrad Curze.5130 said:
    Focusing on WvW or sPvP instead of LWS or some or whatever PvE content would be straight up financial suicide for Anet.

    if it's not a moba, battle-royale, or team-based competitive type of game then PvP of any kind is usually a niche audience especially for mmorpgs.

    for modern mmos, usually PvE or co-operative play is the more popular game mode. all the big names out there (FFXIV, WOW, ESO) know this and have it as their primary focus and GW2 is no different -- because it's what earns more money.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    Arenanet most likely announced the expansion as some kind of emergency button after they realized that Season 5 is a massive failure.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they currently don't have anything that is ready for presentation.

    When Anet announced the Season 5 as the Icebrood Saga they had much bigger plans for the Saga and no plans for an expansion.

    According to someone from Anet: During working on Season 5 someone in (higher) management decided, as a surprise to the devs, to make an expansion. So they had to (somehow) cancel all/most unfinished work on Season 5 (and work on the expansion) but still try to end the story arc of Season 5 like it was planned.

    So I guess, they did not announce the expansion because of a massive failure of Season 5 but because the decision of making an expansion was not made earlier. And probably because of that management decision Season 5 became this much bigger failure than if would have been without shifting all resources to the expansion.

    It's very likely, actually, that the decision made by management was due to how Season 5 got received.

    It is very likely that the management decision to make an expansion was made in November 2019 (game director Mike Z., who announced the Icebrood Saga with expansion level/worthy content at the PAX West 2019, likely left the company in November 2019). At this time only the Prologue: Bound by Blood episode and maybe also the Whisper in the Dark episode were released. Both episodes were shorter than usual/expected and maybe suffered from the massive layoffs in 2019.

    I think it is not very likely that the decision of making an expansion is based only on how only one or two episodes (and the prologue episode was mostly well received) are received.

    And as for "much bigger plans for Season 5" (...) And of the "expansion level content" they said they were going to deliver, i'm quite sure we've already seen the most of it. We've just didn't notice, because it didn't seem "expansion worthy" to us.

    I did not see much "expansion worthy" content in the Icebrood Saga. But we probably will never know which parts of the EoD expansion were originally developed/planned for the Icebrood Saga but were shifted/moved to the expansion before release.

    And because the remaining, thinned out, shortened, Icebrood Saga was not very well received, Anet had to make the announcement of an expansion early in development in March 2020.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zok.4956 said:
    It is very likely that the management decision to make an expansion was made in November 2019 (game director Mike Z., who announced the Icebrood Saga with expansion level/worthy content at the PAX West 2019, likely left the company in November 2019). At this time only the Prologue: Bound by Blood episode and maybe also the Whisper in the Dark episode were released. Both episodes were shorter than usual/expected and maybe suffered from the massive layoffs in 2019.

    As far as we know the decision was made shortly before we've got first info about it, which was few months later than that. First, that was the whole point of the announcement then - they had nothing to tell us yet, except "we've decided to do an expansion after all". The whole point of that info was to be released as soon as possible, so it's unlikely it got delayed by a few months. Also, it was around then that (as we heard) the devs working on IBS got informed about it too. Again, there was no point in making a decision and sitting on it for few months without informing the people that were supposed to be working on it.

    And as for "much bigger plans for Season 5" (...) And of the "expansion level content" they said they were going to deliver, i'm quite sure we've already seen the most of it. We've just didn't notice, because it didn't seem "expansion worthy" to us.

    I did not see much "expansion worthy" content in the Icebrood Saga.

    Yes. That's my point. Remember, according to Anet, LS 2 was an "expansion level content". I haven't seen it then as well.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • voidek.5738voidek.5738 Member ✭✭

    How many months/weeks really useful info was posted prior HoT/PoF releases? Searching ytube and i see for example PoF specs in August, when release was in end of September. However there were huge presentation in PAX con earlier that year, but nowadays these events dont even happen anymore (irl). They might do something like IBS virtual reveal on twitch maybe.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "Almost 8 months"
    laughs in Hollow Knight

    To defeat the dragons, see the good in them.
    Zhaitan reunites lost ones, primordus creates fertile land, mordremoth spreads the green, and jormag..
    ..jormag? Who's that?

  • Doggie.3184Doggie.3184 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Substance E.4852 said:

    @Doggie.3184 said:
    I'm looking forward to seeing the tons of new Armor sets that look just like the GW1 Assassin armor from Cantha without any unnessary addons/alterations like stapled on buttcapes. It's basically a "100% must happen" type of thing that will make or break the game so I'm positive there'll be tons of awesome skin-tight Thief skins to bring back that "gotta go fast" look of GW1 Assassins. So excited to finally get this after 3145 days of waiting, not including the future days wait till release. Thanks Anet for putting in so much hard work to restore such beautiful Canthan armor. The Luxon Assassin armor is especially fantastic. I wonder if their giant turtles will still around to ride while wearing it.

    Based on the last two expansions:

    -We'll be lucky to get three
    -At least one of them will be a grotesquely over designed trench coat mess of spikes/blades that looked good as concept art but fails utterly to present itself in 3D
    -One will probably be pretty okay but will be a huge pain in the butt to get, disproportionate to how fancy it is
    -The last set will be nice but also much more so than the others such that EVERYONE will be running around in it

    It's Cantha~ throwbacks to GW1 are intensely important in this case more than ever and will be their most ambicious project yet. Thief will finally return to it's Assassin style roots because why wouldn't it? It's Cantha. Anet also clearly want to compete with FFXIV with how much they been copying them lately with boss mechanics and they can't do that without finally flooding the game with awesome looking armor skins. So it'd be expansion suicide to not add all the awesome Canthan armor styles so I'm positive they aren't aiming to disappoint this time because I assume they still love us Canthan GW1 players and love our money. 👍

    They're already celebrating their style direction change by preemptivly adding the basic Seitung assassin armor set as an outfit, but Xpan will be all armor skins, ofc. Because they want this expansion to be as much of an impressive game changing masterpiece to GW2 as they can, like Shadowbringers was to FFXIV.

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Substance E.4852 said:

    @Doggie.3184 said:
    I'm looking forward to seeing the tons of new Armor sets that look just like the GW1 Assassin armor from Cantha without any unnessary addons/alterations like stapled on buttcapes. It's basically a "100% must happen" type of thing that will make or break the game so I'm positive there'll be tons of awesome skin-tight Thief skins to bring back that "gotta go fast" look of GW1 Assassins. So excited to finally get this after 3145 days of waiting, not including the future days wait till release. Thanks Anet for putting in so much hard work to restore such beautiful Canthan armor. The Luxon Assassin armor is especially fantastic. I wonder if their giant turtles will still around to ride while wearing it.

    Based on the last two expansions:

    -We'll be lucky to get three
    -At least one of them will be a grotesquely over designed trench coat mess of spikes/blades that looked good as concept art but fails utterly to present itself in 3D
    -One will probably be pretty okay but will be a huge pain in the butt to get, disproportionate to how fancy it is
    -The last set will be nice but also much more so than the others such that EVERYONE will be running around in it

    yeah, HOT none of the armors can be saved, leyline have good effects(for shine lovers) but is a ugly "stone" concept.
    in POF the Warbeast remains is really very good but only the heavy set. the medium and light are grotesque.

    i wonder whos have the idea that persistent "rock theme" in every armor is good.

    most fire themed weapons are wasted because anet stick to this "lava/rock".

    -- Atlantean Sword --
    The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle, Conan. You must learn its discipline. For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts..." [Points to sword] "This you can trust."

  • Doggie.3184Doggie.3184 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @Substance E.4852 said:

    @Doggie.3184 said:
    I'm looking forward to seeing the tons of new Armor sets that look just like the GW1 Assassin armor from Cantha without any unnessary addons/alterations like stapled on buttcapes. It's basically a "100% must happen" type of thing that will make or break the game so I'm positive there'll be tons of awesome skin-tight Thief skins to bring back that "gotta go fast" look of GW1 Assassins. So excited to finally get this after 3145 days of waiting, not including the future days wait till release. Thanks Anet for putting in so much hard work to restore such beautiful Canthan armor. The Luxon Assassin armor is especially fantastic. I wonder if their giant turtles will still around to ride while wearing it.

    Based on the last two expansions:

    -We'll be lucky to get three
    -At least one of them will be a grotesquely over designed trench coat mess of spikes/blades that looked good as concept art but fails utterly to present itself in 3D
    -One will probably be pretty okay but will be a huge pain in the butt to get, disproportionate to how fancy it is
    -The last set will be nice but also much more so than the others such that EVERYONE will be running around in it

    yeah, HOT none of the armors can be saved, leyline have good effects(for shine lovers) but is a ugly "stone" concept.
    in POF the Warbeast remains is really very good but only the heavy set. the medium and light are grotesque.

    i wonder whos have the idea that persistent "rock theme" in every armor is good.

    most fire themed weapons are wasted because anet stick to this "lava/rock".

    I was disappointed in lack of Elona stuff that actually differs from the base game styles that already exist, but the Cantha xpan is going to be much bigger overall because Cantha. Recovering the lost Assassin styles is going to be one of the most important concepts for it since they're designs that simply don't exist in any form at the moment for armor and a part of the map's culture and a part of Thief's roots that need restored. We didn't have any Elona professions like that (Derv, Paragon) so it wasn't as needed as it will be with Thief, and I'm sure Revenant will want a piece of Ritualist as well.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Doggie.3184 said:
    Thief will finally return to it's Assassin style roots

    Unless Arenanet disables Stealth (and replaces it with an actual defense that is not related to running away) via the first minor trait, I'd rather not have Arenanet use Assassin's good name for a new Elite Specialization.
    GW1's Assassin was great because it didn't have Stealth.

    But I'd rather have Arenanet introduce a support spec for Thief instead of another DPS specialization.

  • @Doggie.3184 said: Anet also clearly want to compete with FFXIV with how much they been copying them lately with boss mechanics and they can't do that without finally flooding the game with awesome looking armor skins. So it'd be expansion suicide to not add all the awesome Canthan armor styles so I'm positive they aren't aiming to disappoint this time because I assume they still love us Canthan GW1 players and love our money. 👍

    They're already celebrating their style direction change by preemptivly adding the basic Seitung assassin armor set as an outfit, but Xpan will be all armor skins, ofc. Because they want this expansion to be as much of an impressive game changing masterpiece to GW2 as they can, like Shadowbringers was to FFXIV.

    That would be a very difficult challenge. FFXIV has near endless resources and a massive development team that pumps content extremely fast and pretty nicely done, polished to a fault. Of course that's due to XIV lack of customization, rigid structure, non-changing mechanics, etc. XIV is like a solid polished steel plate. Where GW2 is more like a maleable ceramic piece. They cannot and i hope they don't replicate anything from XIV because it would just crush GW2 under it's weight, and to compete against it would be naive at least. Unless NCsoft suddenly cancels all their other projects and pumps those resources to Anet and contracts another 500 programers, designers, etc. There is no way this is even viable.

    GW2 engine is flexible, and the game itself is very flexible, that is it's strenght and main selling point. An horizontal very emergent experience. Unlike XIV where everything is linear, vertical and scripted.