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Allow WvW Ascended to be purchased with Testimony of Heroics

Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited October 27, 2017 in WvW

Why most of the gear in WvW are locked behind the Skirmish Claim Tickets? All the Ascended gear, and even the exotics, are all behind a currency which we have a weekly cap of how much we can obtain. I can understand the necessity of a timegate for the Legendary Armor and Backpiece, but locking the Ascended equipment behind the same currency don't make any sense.

In PvP you can buy Ascended Goodies with Ascended Shards of Glory, which are awarded from the pip reward track even at the repeatable Byzanthium rank. The PvP tickets (Which have a cap for season) are the timegate for Legendary Armor/Backpiece in there, but the other currency continue to be awarded for continuous play.

The closest of Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are the Testimony of Heroics, which are awarded from rank up and skirmish chests. So I suggest that the Ascended gear in WvW should be sold by the non-capped currency we have avaible (Testimoniy of Heroic + Memory of Battle), instead of being locked behind a weekly capped one. This way we would still have our legendaries timegated behind the tickets, but we could buy other stuff without suffering through the weekly cap of the currency.

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  • Seffen.2875Seffen.2875 Member ✭✭✭

    I really do not like that idea. I like the timegate so it makes it harder to obtain.

  • That's my issue; the tickets PLUS the Grandmaster Marks. Put one Grandmaster mark in place of tomes in the reward tracks and let us earn them in wvw, pleeeaaase.

  • Rennie.6750Rennie.6750 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    And reduce the grandmaster marks requirements, because right now crafting ascended with recipes bought on the TP and swapping stats is always the cheapest option no matter what. There should be some discount for spending some time in a given game mode and spending its currency.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Seffen.2875 said:
    I really do not like that idea. I like the timegate so it makes it harder to obtain.

    I don't understand you people who like timegate behind basic stuff... I understand the need for timegates for Legendaries, but to Ascended more than the marks are already a Timegate or a Money sink? It's almost as if you people don't want others to be in equal footing...

    Besides, how is it harder to obtain when there are another game mode that basically hand them over to you for continuous play? I assure you that if I played sPvP as much as I play WvW, I wouldn't have enough space for all the Ascended pieces I could have bought with the shards it keep handing you over. The problem is: I like WvW and not sPvP, and I feel I'm being somewhat punished for my choice.

    @Halbarz.3854 said:
    The tickets are more then fine, what they should reconsider is the use of grand-master marks in WvW.
    As with SPVP they should add them to the tracker. This gives people the opportunity to get the gear without having to leave WvW.

    @diamondgirl.6315 said:
    That's my issue; the tickets PLUS the Grandmaster Marks. Put one Grandmaster mark in place of tomes in the reward tracks and let us earn them in wvw, pleeeaaase.

    They added the Grandmaster Marks to everything, including the Fractal vendor, so I'm assuming they are here to stay and there is no way around it. Even in PvP, you can only get 3 Grandmaster Marks per season (They are not awarded in the repeatable chests) which isn't even enough to buy a Chest or a Leg Piece (Which cost 4 each).

    So we are being locked by both the Grandmaster Marks AND the Skirmish Claim Tickets... One of them should go away, and I'm pretty sure the Marks are out of question at this point.

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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The T2 you want easy access to is the pre to the legendary version and that's why it's so restrictive.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    The T2 you want easy access to is the pre to the legendary version and that's why it's so restrictive.

    TheT2 in PvP is precursor for Legendary and is easily accessible. Your argument is invalid.

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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    The T2 you want easy access to is the pre to the legendary version and that's why it's so restrictive.

    TheT2 in PvP is precursor for Legendary and is easily accessible. Your argument is invalid.

    My argument stands, WvW is not PvP and the same game mode. WvW has always been more restrictive on rewards because that's how it's been requested to prevent players from farming the mode.

    But the pip system can be but it's still time gated enough to make you think twice if you want to really invest the effort to get all 7 pieces.

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  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    The closest of Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are the Testimony of Heroics...

    No, the closest thing we have to Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are Skirmish Claim Tickets...

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    The T2 you want easy access to is the pre to the legendary version and that's why it's so restrictive.

    TheT2 in PvP is precursor for Legendary and is easily accessible. Your argument is invalid.

    My argument stands, WvW is not PvP and the same game mode. WvW has always been more restrictive on rewards because that's how it's been requested to prevent players from farming the mode.

    But the pip system can be but it's still time gated enough to make you think twice if you want to really invest the effort to get all 7 pieces.

    That has been requested? Are you sure we are playing the same game? Because I've been playing this game for more than 5 years and as far as I remember people ALWAYS complained about how WvW rewards always been a joke, about how it's harder to get anything from WvW compared to other game modes and how WvW is dying because there are no incentive to make new players join as other game modes are always more lucrative.> @Turk.5460 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    The closest of Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are the Testimony of Heroics...

    No, the closest thing we have to Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are Skirmish Claim Tickets...

    No, the skirmish claim tickets are closer to the PvP League Tickets, which also have a limited ammount per Seasons just as Skirmish claim tickets are limited per week.

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  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turk.5460 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    The closest of Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are the Testimony of Heroics...

    No, the closest thing we have to Ascended Shards of Glory that we have in WvW are Skirmish Claim Tickets...

    This.
    Though SPvP does not have any timegate ( you could farm infinite of em every week if you would ), while tickets do.

  • Malerian.8435Malerian.8435 Member ✭✭✭

    Why does everything have to be easier and easier to obtain? I love the way it is. It requires you to play the game more to attain certain ascended gear. I think Anet did a great job on this!!!

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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They can add some other Ascended version to the Armor/Weapon vendor for other currency use but not the one required for forging the Legendary version.

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  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Business-wise. Some time gated stuff in a game with no subscription is okay. Especially considering you can get random ascended drops anyway.

    Time gated stuff in subscription fee or heavy gambling economies (Grindy Asian MMOs...) is fairly scummy.

    Within WvW, the problem is anyone who isn't in the blob may have issues gaining random ascended drops, and getting the pips faster (in the respect of getting the bar maxed, but maintaining is easy). I'd be fine with one type of ascended armor not being behind a time gate but lacking the legendary functionality (i.e. you can only choose your stat once).

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  • @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    The T2 you want easy access to is the pre to the legendary version and that's why it's so restrictive.

    TheT2 in PvP is precursor for Legendary and is easily accessible. Your argument is invalid.

    My argument stands, WvW is not PvP and the same game mode. WvW has always been more restrictive on rewards because that's how it's been requested to prevent players from farming the mode.

    But the pip system can be but it's still time gated enough to make you think twice if you want to really invest the effort to get all 7 pieces.

    That has been requested? Are you sure we are playing the same game? Because I've been playing this game for more than 5 years and as far as I remember people ALWAYS complained about how WvW rewards always been a joke, about how it's harder to get anything from WvW compared to other game modes and how WvW is dying because there are no incentive to make new players join as other game modes are always more lucrative.> @Turk.5460 said:

    It was not directly requested, But WvW players did not want all the PvE players comming to WvW for easy legy backpiece and ascended gear, causing assive queue's and overall WvW game play plummeting.

  • At least remove the cap. It already takes 20 hours to max pips for a week.

  • Aetatis.5418Aetatis.5418 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rennie.6750 said:
    And reduce the grandmaster marks requirements, because right now crafting ascended with recipes bought on the TP and swapping stats is always the cheapest option no matter what. There should be some discount for spending some time in a given game mode and spending its currency.

    as for the grandmaster crafts. you dont need them.
    go with the other ascended armor in the other tab. requires rank 2000 (+ some more memories of battle) to get all pieces BUT no crafting at all. and only about 3 more weeks worth of ticket farming.

    eventually (!) you will get to that legendary armor

  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    No, the skirmish claim tickets are closer to the PvP League Tickets, which also have a limited ammount per Seasons just as Skirmish claim tickets are limited per week.

    No, Skirmish Claim Tickets are much more in line with Ascended Shards of Glory - the fact that claim tickets are limited per week is not a deciding factor. 20 hours worth of Skirmish Claim Tickets vs 20 hours worth of Ascended Shards of Glory is what you need to deduce which currency is more closely related. The system in place is pretty close to equal, but cannot ever be completely equal, as there are additional factors that can't really be controlled. For example: ease of acquisition. WvW Tickets are incredibly easy to obtain, and if that is ones only goal in WvW, the effort they need to put forth would be incredibly minimal - to the point they can afk for 10 minutes at a time and continue to obtain the currency. In PvP, you have to try to win for optimal pips. And if you don't care about optimal pips, and instead decide to afk farm, you will be reported and eventually dishonored, severely decreasing your currency gain. Also queue times could fluctuate and disrupt your pip gain.

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You should be asking for tickets from repeated chests, not using an entirely other currency to fill the void.

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  • Sarrs.4831Sarrs.4831 Member ✭✭✭

    Tickets are as they are for a reason
    You're better off asking for direct changes to tickets than moving items purchased with tickets to instead be purchased using other currencies

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    And also remember tha SPvP players can only earn 100 Certificate of support per season, which means they could make 2 pieces or legendary armor, or 1/2 backpack.

    I don't remember ho many tickets you need for wvw, but if in 3 months you have enough to make 2 legendary pieces, then everything is fine.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    Ok here it is

    Notes
    It takes 1,310 WvW Skirmish Claim Tickets WvW Skirmish Claim Tickets in total to obtain a full set of Triumphant Hero's armor.

    So, divided by 6 ( i know some pieces cost less and some more, but it's the same ) every armor piece costs 218 tickets
    You also need a Legendary War Insight which costs 1095 tickets

    So, every piece is 1314 tickets

    Every week you can have 365 tickets per week , which is 1460 tickets per month

    Oh for crying out loud, you can do more pieces than who does spvp -_-

  • Strages.2950Strages.2950 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Ok here it is

    Notes
    It takes 1,310 WvW Skirmish Claim Tickets WvW Skirmish Claim Tickets in total to obtain a full set of Triumphant Hero's armor.

    So, divided by 6 ( i know some pieces cost less and some more, but it's the same ) every armor piece costs 218 tickets
    You also need a Legendary War Insight which costs 1095 tickets

    So, every piece is 1314 tickets

    Every week you can have 365 tickets per week , which is 1460 tickets per month

    Oh for crying out loud, you can do more pieces than who does spvp -_-

    Your math is correct, however you have to max out diamond chest EVERY WEEK for that to happen. And depending on your WvW rank (which takes months to escalate from one tier to another) and how your server is doing during the match up it can easily mean 24+ hours of "grind" per week. The system is very unforgiving in that sense, and it also doesn't balance it out when you actually CAN play more (at least in pvp you get ascended shards).

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    That's why i am not sure i'll pursue the wvw way.
    I am 250 rank, and for the first piece i need 1500 rank... it's simply senseless ( PvE and SPvP don't have this stupid block ).

    I probably made a mystake purchasing the wing of ascention from spvp ( i could have made the wvw back instead ).

  • Malerian.8435Malerian.8435 Member ✭✭✭

    @Seasniffer.1763 said:
    At least remove the cap. It already takes 20 hours to max pips for a week.

    That's the point. They want you to play more.

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  • Sylvyn.4750Sylvyn.4750 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aetatis.5418 said:

    @Rennie.6750 said:
    And reduce the grandmaster marks requirements, because right now crafting ascended with recipes bought on the TP and swapping stats is always the cheapest option no matter what. There should be some discount for spending some time in a given game mode and spending its currency.

    as for the grandmaster crafts. you dont need them.
    go with the other ascended armor in the other tab. requires rank 2000 (+ some more memories of battle) to get all pieces BUT no crafting at all. and only about 3 more weeks worth of ticket farming.

    eventually (!) you will get to that legendary armor

    Going for the legendary armor seems to be the only good reason to buy the pre-2k Ascended armors anyway, as the material costs are close to what they would be crafting those Ascended outright, unless you need some of the more expensive mats like the lilies or pearls. I don't foresee going for Legendaries myself, as I am only rank 400 after 2 years, and just plan on crafting any Ascended I need rather than spending tickets on them.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It make sense to lock ascended behind a timegate currency, it is consistent to all the ascended armor gears purchasable through vendor, be it fotm or raid.

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  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    That's why i am not sure i'll pursue the wvw way.
    I am 250 rank, and for the first piece i need 1500 rank... it's simply senseless ( PvE and SPvP don't have this stupid block ).

    I probably made a mystake purchasing the wing of ascention from spvp ( i could have made the wvw back instead ).

    You don't need specific ranks for the first tier of Ascended. There is only rank requirements for the alternate armor skins, which is how it should be to keep as an incentive for people to play the game mode, and prestige for those who have attained those ranks. There is zero difference in stats from the armor that doesn't require certain ranks, and the armor that does.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    It make sense to lock ascended behind a timegate currency, it is consistent to all the ascended armor gears purchasable through vendor, be it fotm or raid.

    And then why the spvp ascendeds aren't locked behind a timegated currency? You people keep repeating everything should be timegated but you are forgetting that the only timegate for ascended is on WvW while the other game modes you can either just straight craft it, or straight purchase from the vendor with a currency you can obtain through repeatable means (Ascended Shards of Glory).

    @Malerian.8435 said:

    @Seasniffer.1763 said:
    At least remove the cap. It already takes 20 hours to max pips for a week.

    That's the point. They want you to play more.

    No, they don't want me to play more... After I'm done with 1450pips, there is absolutely no incentive to keep playing it other than the average junk we already receive from it normally. And before you bring up the enjoyment card, yes, I continue to play it anyway. But I feel robbed when I finish a week with roughly 4k pips and received the same kind of rewards that someone who simply farmed 1450 during the weekend and never stepped on the game mode again.

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    They can add some other Ascended version to the Armor/Weapon vendor for other currency use but not the one required for forging the Legendary version.

    I'd be completely fine with that because that would let us buy ascended with a repeatable currency while keeping the legendaries locked behind the timegated one. I'm not trying to make legendary easier to obtain, I'm trying to make Ascended easier to obtain to be more par with the other game modes.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Ok here it is

    Notes
    It takes 1,310 WvW Skirmish Claim Tickets WvW Skirmish Claim Tickets in total to obtain a full set of Triumphant Hero's armor.

    So, divided by 6 ( i know some pieces cost less and some more, but it's the same ) every armor piece costs 218 tickets
    You also need a Legendary War Insight which costs 1095 tickets

    So, every piece is 1314 tickets

    Every week you can have 365 tickets per week , which is 1460 tickets per month

    Oh for crying out loud, you can do more pieces than who does spvp -_-

    You are misunderstanding the point of this topic... I don't want the legendary to be easier to be obtained. I want the Ascended pieces to be easier to be obtained. And the Ascended pieces from PvP aren't locked behind a timegated currency. All you need to do is keep playing and you'll continue to receive Ascended Shards of Glory from the repeatable Bizanthium chest.

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  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @SkyShroud.2865 said:
    It make sense to lock ascended behind a timegate currency, it is consistent to all the ascended armor gears purchasable through vendor, be it fotm or raid.

    And then why the spvp ascendeds aren't locked behind a timegated currency? You people keep repeating everything should be timegated but you are forgetting that the only timegate for ascended is on WvW while the other game modes you can either just straight craft it, or straight purchase from the vendor with a currency you can obtain through repeatable means (Ascended Shards of Glory).

    @Malerian.8435 said:

    @Seasniffer.1763 said:
    At least remove the cap. It already takes 20 hours to max pips for a week.

    That's the point. They want you to play more.

    No, they don't want me to play more... After I'm done with 1450pips, there is absolutely no incentive to keep playing it other than the average junk we already receive from it normally. And before you bring up the enjoyment card, yes, I continue to play it anyway. But I feel robbed when I finish a week with roughly 4k pips and received the same kind of rewards that someone who simply farmed 1450 during the weekend and never stepped on the game mode again.

    @Loosmaster.8263 said:
    They can add some other Ascended version to the Armor/Weapon vendor for other currency use but not the one required for forging the Legendary version.

    I'd be completely fine with that because that would let us buy ascended with a repeatable currency while keeping the legendaries locked behind the timegated one. I'm not trying to make legendary easier to obtain, I'm trying to make Ascended easier to obtain to be more par with the other game modes.

    Pvp is timegated, go try to get Ascended Shards Of glory right this second, oh wait Players can’t.

    Now go try to get WvW skirmish Tickets(if not capped) oh you can get them, if capped you wait a couple hours and then you can grind for more.

    Both have Time gates on currencies used WvW you can get every single week while Pvp you have 56 days to get Shards and then 2-10 weeks where you can’t.

    Pvp also require matches played and require winning to get them at a decent rate compared to passively getting tickets at full Pips for t3 participation at the minimum every 5 minutes, and have Queue times factored in on top of the match times most of which last longer than 5 mins (skirmish tick interval)

    You are comparing apples to oranges.

    Slight off topic but on topic
    Let’s look at zero sum a fresh player to both PvP and WvW trying to craft Legendary Armors.

    To craft Legendary Armor it takes 22 weeks for WvW for PvP Armor it takes anywhere from 24-44 Weeks depending on Off Season breaks( some have been 2 weeks some 10 most 4-6).

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    @Turk.5460 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    That's why i am not sure i'll pursue the wvw way.
    I am 250 rank, and for the first piece i need 1500 rank... it's simply senseless ( PvE and SPvP don't have this stupid block ).

    I probably made a mystake purchasing the wing of ascention from spvp ( i could have made the wvw back instead ).

    You don't need specific ranks for the first tier of Ascended. There is only rank requirements for the alternate armor skins, which is how it should be to keep as an incentive for people to play the game mode, and prestige for those who have attained those ranks. There is zero difference in stats from the armor that doesn't require certain ranks, and the armor that does.

    I am talking about legendary.
    I hit legendary in spvp in about x hours every season and i have enough mats to craft 1 leg piece ( if i farm enough shards, i can make 2, but have to hi leg 4 more times if i recall right ).
    In wvw i have around 1500 tickets and 250 rank.

    And nothing, i can chose between a laughter or a cry.
    I wish they remove rank requirement ( which does not exist nor in PvE nor in SPvP ).

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    @Turk.5460 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    That's why i am not sure i'll pursue the wvw way.
    I am 250 rank, and for the first piece i need 1500 rank... it's simply senseless ( PvE and SPvP don't have this stupid block ).

    I probably made a mystake purchasing the wing of ascention from spvp ( i could have made the wvw back instead ).

    You don't need specific ranks for the first tier of Ascended. There is only rank requirements for the alternate armor skins, which is how it should be to keep as an incentive for people to play the game mode, and prestige for those who have attained those ranks. There is zero difference in stats from the armor that doesn't require certain ranks, and the armor that does.

    I am talking about legendary.
    I hit legendary in spvp in about x hours every season and i have enough mats to craft 1 leg piece ( if i farm enough shards, i can make 2, but have to hi leg 4 more times if i recall right ).
    In wvw i have around 1500 tickets and 250 rank.

    And nothing, i can chose between a laughter or a cry.
    I wish they remove rank requirement ( which does not exist nor in PvE nor in SPvP ).

    With 1500 tickets you can still buy the Legendary War Insight (1095 Tickets) and one of T2 Ascendeds to use as a precursor for the legendary. You don't need ranks to make legendary. You only need ranks for the Mistforged Triumphant Hero Skins.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As T2 we mean the Triumphant Hero Armor (Equivalent to the Ardent Glorious Armor from PvP)
    You need to unlock the exotic versions from the Triumphant Reward track to be able to buy them first tho.

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  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    You are misunderstanding the point of this topic... I don't want the legendary to be easier to be obtained. I want the Ascended pieces to be easier to be obtained. And the Ascended pieces from PvP aren't locked behind a timegated currency. All you need to do is keep playing and you'll continue to receive Ascended Shards of Glory from the repeatable Bizanthium chest.

    That's right, and i can agree with you with the last part you wrote

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    I'd be completely fine with that because that would let us buy ascended with a repeatable currency while keeping the legendaries locked behind the timegated one. I'm not trying to make legendary easier to obtain, I'm trying to make Ascended easier to obtain to be more par with the other game modes.

    Unrelated to legendary equipment could be a thing ( though then through PvE and SPvP would be way unfair the first, cause PvE requires more skills than unlocking things in WvW and SPvP, and longer the second, cause the ascended equipment through SPvP shares with legendary items, and then there should be there too another way to get it, without spending shards, which are like tickets, for equip ).

    But i doubt we will see some rework, cause ( as some said ) they want you to play the game more, with timegate too.

  • Cos.....balance.

    Anet simply cannot allow WvW players to get ahold of legendary gear which PvE and sPvP players have taken a few hours to get!
    So to balance it out, anet have made it so that it takes WvW players weeks to get similar items.
    So please remember this is all to balance WvW.

  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    @DevilishLyx.2340 said:
    Cos.....balance.

    Anet simply cannot allow WvW players to get ahold of legendary gear which PvE and sPvP players have taken a few hours to get!
    So to balance it out, anet have made it so that it takes WvW players weeks to get similar items.
    So please remember this is all to balance WvW.

    It takes longer for Pvp players to get Legendary by quite a bit than WvW players..... WvW takes 22 weeks PvP can take anywhere from 24-44 weeks (dependent on Off Season Length) to acquire...

    Yeah Pvp is so much faster...

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @DevilishLyx.2340 said:
    Cos.....balance.

    Anet simply cannot allow WvW players to get ahold of legendary gear which PvE and sPvP players have taken a few hours to get!
    So to balance it out, anet have made it so that it takes WvW players weeks to get similar items.
    So please remember this is all to balance WvW.

    It takes longer for Pvp players to get Legendary by quite a bit than WvW players..... WvW takes 22 weeks PvP can take anywhere from 28-44 weeks (dependent on Off Season Length) to acquire...

    Yeah Pvp is so much faster...

    Legendaries aren't the point of this thread and I've posted this multiple times already. But since people keep bringing this up, i'll keep repeating myself:

    While a PvP Season is active, I can simply farm Ascended Shards of Glory for as long as I want and buy Ascendeds because I'll keep receiving shards from the Repeatable Bizanthium Chest. In WvW I cannot do that because the Repeatable Diamond Chest do not award tickets.

    Changing the Ascended to be sold by Testimony of Heroics make it people can actually just keep playing the game mode and be able to buy ascended gear without being timegated by the ticket acquisiton, while the legendary still get locked behind the time gate because the Legendary Insight will still cost the 1095 tickets.

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  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2017

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @BlaqueFyre.5678 said:

    @DevilishLyx.2340 said:
    Cos.....balance.

    Anet simply cannot allow WvW players to get ahold of legendary gear which PvE and sPvP players have taken a few hours to get!
    So to balance it out, anet have made it so that it takes WvW players weeks to get similar items.
    So please remember this is all to balance WvW.

    It takes longer for Pvp players to get Legendary by quite a bit than WvW players..... WvW takes 22 weeks PvP can take anywhere from 28-44 weeks (dependent on Off Season Length) to acquire...

    Yeah Pvp is so much faster...

    Legendaries aren't the point of this thread and I've posted this multiple times already. But since people keep bringing this up, i'll keep repeating myself:

    While a PvP Season is active, I can simply farm Ascended Shards of Glory for as long as I want and buy Ascendeds because I'll keep receiving shards from the Repeatable Bizanthium Chest. In WvW I cannot do that because the Repeatable Diamond Chest do not award tickets.

    Changing the Ascended to be sold by Testimony of Heroics make it people can actually just keep playing the game mode and be able to buy ascended gear without being timegated by the ticket acquisiton, while the legendary still get locked behind the time gate because the Legendary Insight will still cost the 1095 tickets.

    I was answering directly to the person I quoted.

    If you are going to rant go rant at them not the person correcting someone else that brought it up.

    Maybe go read a reply I directed at you further up where I show you that you are wrong saying shard of glory aren’t time gated and maybe you can make a post in reply to that.

    So again saying Ascended Shards isn’t timegated is a farce since you can’t get them right this moment, guess what that is called, oh yeah a timegate, you have a limited time to acquire those materials(which are also shared with other item costs).

    Every week in WvW you can work on Skirmish Tickets, can’t work on Ascended Shards Of Glory every single week.

    Like I said above you are trying to compare apples to oranges.

  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    And then why the spvp ascendeds aren't locked behind a timegated currency? You people keep repeating everything should be timegated but you are forgetting that the only timegate for ascended is on WvW while the other game modes you can either just straight craft it, or straight purchase from the vendor with a currency you can obtain through repeatable means (Ascended Shards of Glory).

    There is a time-gate for crafting it. The daily refining of materials such as lumps of mithrillium.

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    @Turk.5460 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    And then why the spvp ascendeds aren't locked behind a timegated currency? You people keep repeating everything should be timegated but you are forgetting that the only timegate for ascended is on WvW while the other game modes you can either just straight craft it, or straight purchase from the vendor with a currency you can obtain through repeatable means (Ascended Shards of Glory).

    There is a time-gate for crafting it. The daily refining of materials such as lumps of mithrillium.

    I would agree with you if I couldn't buy the End Materials off the Trading Post... I cannot buy Lumps of Mithrillium, but I can buy Deldrimor Ingots, which are the ones that I'll use anyway. I can skip the whole timegate in craft with gold.

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  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Gaining gold also takes time. Especially as a WvW player. If you have the gold to do that, then why don't you just craft your ascended gear instead? Then you don't have to worry about tickets for the WvW version.

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Testimony of heroics -> Memory of Battle
    Pretty much anything else is just trying to find ways to circumvent a timegated material for personal instant gratification.

    Jeknar, you are nearly 4k wvw, 70 spvp and 27k achievement. I have no idea why you are "suffering" to get ascended as you should have had full ascended multiple toons years ago. And probably multiple legendaries. I have a 6 piece set of mistforged heavy armor in storage with no use for it.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Because then I could use my gold for somenthing else? What kind of question is even that?

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    @Justine.6351 said:
    Testimony of heroics -> Memory of Battle
    Pretty much anything else is just trying to find ways to circumvent a timegated material for personal instant gratification.

    Jeknar, you are nearly 4k wvw, 70 spvp and 27k achievement. I have no idea why you are "suffering" to get ascended as you should have had full ascended multiple toons years ago. And probably multiple legendaries. I have a 6 piece set of mistforged heavy armor in storage with no use for it.

    It's been 5 years of "Suffering" through the least rewarding game mode in the game or having to go to PvE to seek the shinies that god forbid the WvW players to get. Can't we get a break just now? These stupid Testimonies will just pile up in my bank just as Proofs of Heroics before them and Badges of Honor before them too without any real use other than buying Sigils of Frenzy or Runes of Firebrand and selling them until Arena Net decide to make them Account Bound like everything else that was sold by proofs during HoT.

    And yes, I have 7 Full Ascended Armor sets, multiple Ascended Weapons and even a few legendaries, but I've been playing this game for 5 years now and people who do not WvW as their main activity have far more than that in the time I've played. Is it wrong to ask for a little somenthing now?

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  • Vova.2640Vova.2640 Member ✭✭✭

    I can understand the Legendary armors being heavily time gated... but why are ascended also time gated??

  • @Turk.5460 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:
    And then why the spvp ascendeds aren't locked behind a timegated currency? You people keep repeating everything should be timegated but you are forgetting that the only timegate for ascended is on WvW while the other game modes you can either just straight craft it, or straight purchase from the vendor with a currency you can obtain through repeatable means (Ascended Shards of Glory).

    There is a time-gate for crafting it. The daily refining of materials such as lumps of mithrillium.

    The crafting timegates can be skipped with gold and the TP. Just buy the time gated mats. from the TP, GG timegate removed. But in order to do that, much time in PvE or Ranked PvP is needed.

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  • Sylvyn.4750Sylvyn.4750 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vova.2640 said:
    I can understand the Legendary armors being heavily time gated... but why are ascended also time gated??

    Apparently the time gate save us a bit of gold...I just calculated that if I had to buy the mats with gold to make the marks, buy the memories and the extra 2g needed for an Ascended heavy helm, it'll run 80g on top of the tickets. Zojja's Visor runs about 83g per the wiki...so you'll save a whopping 3g on the helm with zerker stats for the time gate. You would save more if you're talking Minstrel's or Trailblazer's, about 20-30g, since they have mats that are still very expensive.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Testimony of heroics -> Memory of Battle
    Pretty much anything else is just trying to find ways to circumvent a timegated material for personal instant gratification.

    Jeknar, you are nearly 4k wvw, 70 spvp and 27k achievement. I have no idea why you are "suffering" to get ascended as you should have had full ascended multiple toons years ago. And probably multiple legendaries. I have a 6 piece set of mistforged heavy armor in storage with no use for it.

    It's been 5 years of "Suffering" through the least rewarding game mode in the game or having to go to PvE to seek the shinies that god forbid the WvW players to get. Can't we get a break just now? These stupid Testimonies will just pile up in my bank just as Proofs of Heroics before them and Badges of Honor before them too without any real use other than buying Sigils of Frenzy or Runes of Firebrand and selling them until Arena Net decide to make them Account Bound like everything else that was sold by proofs during HoT.

    And yes, I have 7 Full Ascended Armor sets, multiple Ascended Weapons and even a few legendaries, but I've been playing this game for 5 years now and people who do not WvW as their main activity have far more than that in the time I've played. Is it wrong to ask for a little somenthing now?

    So buy siege and put in guild bank or just mail them to commanders?

    Ask for a little what? What are you lacking that you do not already have? I myself am probably going to start working on legendary wvw armor or idk maybe finish buying the rest of the Mistforged skins. Idk what I am even supposed to do with tickets at this point.

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  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Justine.6351 said:
    Testimony of heroics -> Memory of Battle
    Pretty much anything else is just trying to find ways to circumvent a timegated material for personal instant gratification.

    Jeknar, you are nearly 4k wvw, 70 spvp and 27k achievement. I have no idea why you are "suffering" to get ascended as you should have had full ascended multiple toons years ago. And probably multiple legendaries. I have a 6 piece set of mistforged heavy armor in storage with no use for it.

    It's been 5 years of "Suffering" through the least rewarding game mode in the game or having to go to PvE to seek the shinies that god forbid the WvW players to get. Can't we get a break just now? These stupid Testimonies will just pile up in my bank just as Proofs of Heroics before them and Badges of Honor before them too without any real use other than buying Sigils of Frenzy or Runes of Firebrand and selling them until Arena Net decide to make them Account Bound like everything else that was sold by proofs during HoT.

    And yes, I have 7 Full Ascended Armor sets, multiple Ascended Weapons and even a few legendaries, but I've been playing this game for 5 years now and people who do not WvW as their main activity have far more than that in the time I've played. Is it wrong to ask for a little somenthing now?

    So buy siege and put in guild bank or just mail them to commanders?

    Ask for a little what? What are you lacking that you do not already have? I myself am probably going to start working on legendary wvw armor or idk maybe finish buying the rest of the Mistforged skins. Idk what I am even supposed to do with tickets at this point.

    I could still use one or two extra sets of Medium ascended (I only have one) to test different builds, but my tickets are all going towards the Legendary Armor of my Mesmer atm. And considering I'm still missing about 3400 tickets to finish it, I won't be getting any extra ascendeds from WvW anytime soon. Also it would be nice not having to farm Berries, Stumps and Blood Rubies for Ascended Acessories everytime I want to try a new stat combination, plus, how I am supposed to get ascended PoF stats other than the Mist Accessories atm?

    There are just so many things I could buy if they weren't locked behind the tickets...

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