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Monthly AT Class Representation

ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited December 23, 2017 in PVP

Just the number of players using each class during yesterday's monthly tournament which were observed by Jebro's stream on NA and Sindrener's stream on EU. Obviously many teams which competed did not end up visible on stream and were thus not counted. Teams which were shown in multiple games were only counted once. I did not count teams that lost in the first round as pretty much all first round matches are one sided stomps. I counted Misha as a warrior since he only played mesmer for the easy first 2 rounds. I wanted to use Helseth's stream as well but I can't re-watch it without a paid subscription and I am poor; If anyone has that data and could add it, I would appreciate it.

October
Elementalist: 1
Engineer: 5
Guardain: 14
Mesmer: 7
Necro: 18
Ranger: 3
Revenant: 1
Thief: 11
Warrior: 20

November
Elementalist: 1
Engineer: 7
Guardain: 21
Mesmer: 12
Necro: 21
Ranger: 11
Revenant: 0
Thief: 11
Warrior: 11

December
Elementalist: 1
Engineer: 7
Guardain: 17
Mesmer: 12
Necro: 18
Ranger: 7
Revenant: 1
Thief: 8
Warrior: 9

Make of it what you will.

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  • MyPuppy.8970MyPuppy.8970 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Something must be wrong if there's as many eles as revs, and more rangers than those two combined...

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    This is just depressing...One ele, three rangers, five engineers. These are the type of numbers that would make someone wanna start drinking.

    Would Anet even give a kitten if you showed of how overly used and under used that some of these classes are? Sheesh..

  • choovanski.5462choovanski.5462 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2017

    @Falan.1839 said:
    Do you still remember when some experts said that balance was bad because Anet was balancing PvP around Pro League/Esports? =) =) =)

    oh, number 1 mesmer at pvp forum QQ amongst others were very vocal about this. it still makes me laugh. oh, such fools

    but on topic, like have we ever had good class representation in gw2? I guess we had close to it with late HoT meta, but Guardian was super underplayed even then. so like idk.

    honestly, if we had firebrand instead of DH with HoT I think we could have been in a much better place.

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  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2017

    Well right now that said Mesmer has identified Holosmith as the main balance problem, so she's clearly still on track. :D

    On topic: the team that should have won the EU monthly AT was rolling with 2 Spellbreakers and a Scourge, while the other team, that actually won it (due to 5v4) had 2 Scourges and a Spellbreaker. The team that has won most of those tournaments went without such a comp and lost the semifinal. This basically sums it up. Firebrand is the best babysitter for Scourge, so it's Meta aswell, while Thief does the same thing as always. Even though the ability of SB to survive 2v1 for ages has made it somewhat less effective. Right now there is virtually no reason to use any other classes besides, Scourge, SB, FB and Thief. Even though I suspect that even the thief could be sacked with 2 spellbreakers locking sides. I'd honestly roll with 2 Scourges, 2 SBs and Fb right now if I had the players for it and wanted to be tryhard.

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  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2017

    I thought they had gotten rid of class stacking for ATs, does that simply not exist?

    Because back in Esports time you couldn't, for the life of you, class stack. What the hell is going on here?

  • Allarius.5670Allarius.5670 Member ✭✭✭

    Yeah, class stacking should be removed (unranked, ranked, and ATs). If reality is that the player base must wait for extended periods of time for balance patches, this could very well be a functional mechanism for the sPvP devs to help keep in check oppressive builds to some degree until the balance does manage to finally hit.

  • Ithilwen.1529Ithilwen.1529 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I do appreciate your disclosure on your methods, OP. I'd contend that Warrior is over represented because people refuse to learn to counter SB.

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  • Ithilwen.1529Ithilwen.1529 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Class stacking should be removed, generally. I am aware that such a move would kitten off a lot of people. Still, I'd argue that the anger would be because of losing a chance to farm and exploit more than anything else.

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  • MyPuppy.8970MyPuppy.8970 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ZhouX.8742 said:
    "more rangers than those 2 combined"... Yes , overwhelming to see 3 rangers, gasp , 1 more than 2!

    How you managed to pick the 2 lowest used classes and then STILL manage to attempt to bash the 2nd lowest used class is beyond me.

    I was merely pointing out how those three classes were barely represented at all, some even more than others. There is no bashing whatsoever.

  • Faux Play.6104Faux Play.6104 Member ✭✭✭

    @choovanski.5462 said:

    @Falan.1839 said:
    Well right now that said Mesmer has identified Holosmith as the main balance problem, so she's clearly still on track. :D

    On topic: the team that should have won the EU monthly AT was rolling with 2 Spellbreakers and a Scourge, while the other team, that actually won it (due to 5v4) had 2 Scourges and a Spellbreaker. The team that has won most of those tournaments went without such a comp and lost the semifinal. This basically sums it up. Firebrand is the best babysitter for Scourge, so it's Meta aswell, while Thief does the same thing as always. Even though the ability of SB to survive 2v1 for ages has made it somewhat less effective. Right now there is virtually no reason to use any other classes besides, Scourge, SB, FB and Thief. Even though I suspect that even the thief could be sacked with 2 spellbreakers locking sides. I'd honestly roll with 2 Scourges, 2 SBs and Fb right now if I had the players for it and wanted to be tryhard.

    her eagle eye sees what no pro can. 30 seconds of invun on holo. very op. much need nerf

    oh man, comps are so depressing rn. another wave of powercreep- & unsurprisingly the only class that’s been able to ride that wave is thief (pictured below, riding said wave of imbalance). still if i was wild enough, i’d try & run 4-5 sages firebrands just to see if you can heal & burn your way to victory

    Holosmith is pretty strong. Rocket boots (two 1200 leaps each with 2 seconds super speed), along with elixir s invuln Plus 2 conversion of two conditions to boons on a passive proc. You really shouldn't die running it. combine that with massive damage and hard cc and you have a pretty strong class.

  • brannigan.9831brannigan.9831 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    This is just depressing...One ele, three rangers, five engineers. These are the type of numbers that would make someone wanna start drinking.

    Would Anet even give a kitten if you showed of how overly used and under used that some of these classes are? Sheesh..

    They have the data and know. They don't care.

  • This is all very telling imo.

    Anet, we need more frequent balancing. Why do we not get frequent balancing?

  • Exciton.8942Exciton.8942 Member ✭✭✭

    Is this surprising?

    Current meta tier in PvP is very obvious.

    Top tier includes spellbreaker, firebrand and scourge.

    Second tier includes mirage/chrono, daredevil and holosmith

    The rest are just meh.

  • Kuya.6495Kuya.6495 Member ✭✭✭

    I'd like to see them turn weaver into a physical dps version of scourge. Might make them a good pick to deal with the cleanse from fb.

  • @Kuya.6495 said:
    I'd like to see them turn weaver into a physical dps version of scourge. Might make them a good pick to deal with the cleanse from fb.

    What you're looking for is called holosmith.

  • Kuya.6495Kuya.6495 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2017

    @NotoriousNaru.1705 said:

    @Kuya.6495 said:
    I'd like to see them turn weaver into a physical dps version of scourge. Might make them a good pick to deal with the cleanse from fb.

    What you're looking for is called holosmith.

    You mean the holo mode leap? It's a good attack but i was thinking more about the ability to maintain consistently high phys dps pressure on a point and not burst dps. Something more akin to meteor shower. I'm just not sure a staff weaver has enough sustain to not explode instantly if they use a glassy amulet.

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭

    looks like only thief and mesmer are balanced

  • Swagg.9236Swagg.9236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've always said that this game was too shallow to merit any more than four classes.

  • Thanks for keeping track of the professions used in the monthly AT. The figures speak for itself I guess. Lets see if Anet looked at them next tuesday.

  • 1 of the 3 rangers representing o/

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  • ZhouX.8742ZhouX.8742 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2017

    @Faux Play.6104 said:

    @choovanski.5462 said:

    @Falan.1839 said:
    Well right now that said Mesmer has identified Holosmith as the main balance problem, so she's clearly still on track. :D

    On topic: the team that should have won the EU monthly AT was rolling with 2 Spellbreakers and a Scourge, while the other team, that actually won it (due to 5v4) had 2 Scourges and a Spellbreaker. The team that has won most of those tournaments went without such a comp and lost the semifinal. This basically sums it up. Firebrand is the best babysitter for Scourge, so it's Meta aswell, while Thief does the same thing as always. Even though the ability of SB to survive 2v1 for ages has made it somewhat less effective. Right now there is virtually no reason to use any other classes besides, Scourge, SB, FB and Thief. Even though I suspect that even the thief could be sacked with 2 spellbreakers locking sides. I'd honestly roll with 2 Scourges, 2 SBs and Fb right now if I had the players for it and wanted to be tryhard.

    her eagle eye sees what no pro can. 30 seconds of invun on holo. very op. much need nerf

    oh man, comps are so depressing rn. another wave of powercreep- & unsurprisingly the only class that’s been able to ride that wave is thief (pictured below, riding said wave of imbalance). still if i was wild enough, i’d try & run 4-5 sages firebrands just to see if you can heal & burn your way to victory

    Holosmith is pretty strong. Rocket boots (two 1200 leaps each with 2 seconds super speed), along with elixir s invuln Plus 2 conversion of two conditions to boons on a passive proc. You really shouldn't die running it. combine that with massive damage and hard cc and you have a pretty strong class.

    ok , solo a druid / condi mirage at far with holo , you'll stalemate or lose before getting 1upped ... try fighting against a scourge + firebrand in mid with holo, you'll do little to no damage and find yourself juggling between mid and far.

    holo is great at specific things like cleave / 1up dmg and aoe dmg on point, which is why it's more balanced if not one of the most fair and balanced classes that are effective in their way out of the PoF expansion... you can die easily as holo against good players - which makes holo have a higher skill ceiling with it's utility.

    yes rocket boots with gadget is nice for positioning and escape, elixir s passive is more harmful than it is helpful in most cases and makes you easy for setup if the opponent knows basic math and counts. 2 conversion of 2 conditions, gasp - massive game changer ... condi specs or condi bursts STILL counters holo and holo relies too heavily on a rng cast between smoke field and light field. it's great but it's not as good as you're making it out to be.

  • xDudisx.5914xDudisx.5914 Member ✭✭✭

    More evidence supporting the need of a nerf for scourge, spellbreaker and firebrand.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Woah, though spellbreaker, scourge and firebrand still need some balance ( expansion is still fresh, but let's see the incoming patch ), the tournament had 11 thieves.
    Which means that thief is still viable, isn't it?

  • BurrTheKing.8571BurrTheKing.8571 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2017

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Woah, though spellbreaker, scourge and firebrand still need some balance ( expansion is still fresh, but let's see the incoming patch ), the tournament had 11 thieves.
    Which means that thief is still viable, isn't it?

    Thief will always be viable so long as it has the best mobility in the game and it only takes a measly 5 seconds to decap.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Woah, though spellbreaker, scourge and firebrand still need some balance ( expansion is still fresh, but let's see the incoming patch ), the tournament had 11 thieves.
    Which means that thief is still viable, isn't it?

    Yes, but deadeye is still underperforming in PvP. Most of those thieves were probably DD's decapping and +1'ing.

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  • Crinn.7864Crinn.7864 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ArthurDent.9538 said:
    Added statistics for today's tournaments, same sources and methods. A bit fewer spellbreakers many of which seem to have shifted to ranger and mes leaving the 3 main side node builds pretty equal in representation. Scourge and firebrand actually increased in popularity while rev managed to go down so gg balance patch.

    Doubt anyone is surprised.

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  • Loboling.5293Loboling.5293 Member ✭✭✭

    OMG, I NEVER SAW THIS COMING!!! And here I was feeling totally fine on my Rev... I miss nodes. Oh What the Scourges have done to my class... :astonished:

  • Cynz.9437Cynz.9437 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Chaith.8256 said:

    My prediction: Next quarterly patch they'll balance Firebrand as they did with Spellbreaker and leave Scourge for another 3 months.

    Can only balance one auto-lock profession at a time, boys. :trollface:

    Your optimism is killing me @_q

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  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Faux Play.6104 said:

    @choovanski.5462 said:

    @Falan.1839 said:
    Well right now that said Mesmer has identified Holosmith as the main balance problem, so she's clearly still on track. :D

    On topic: the team that should have won the EU monthly AT was rolling with 2 Spellbreakers and a Scourge, while the other team, that actually won it (due to 5v4) had 2 Scourges and a Spellbreaker. The team that has won most of those tournaments went without such a comp and lost the semifinal. This basically sums it up. Firebrand is the best babysitter for Scourge, so it's Meta aswell, while Thief does the same thing as always. Even though the ability of SB to survive 2v1 for ages has made it somewhat less effective. Right now there is virtually no reason to use any other classes besides, Scourge, SB, FB and Thief. Even though I suspect that even the thief could be sacked with 2 spellbreakers locking sides. I'd honestly roll with 2 Scourges, 2 SBs and Fb right now if I had the players for it and wanted to be tryhard.

    her eagle eye sees what no pro can. 30 seconds of invun on holo. very op. much need nerf

    oh man, comps are so depressing rn. another wave of powercreep- & unsurprisingly the only class that’s been able to ride that wave is thief (pictured below, riding said wave of imbalance). still if i was wild enough, i’d try & run 4-5 sages firebrands just to see if you can heal & burn your way to victory

    Holosmith is pretty strong. Rocket boots (two 1200 leaps each with 2 seconds super speed), along with elixir s invuln Plus 2 conversion of two conditions to boons on a passive proc. You really shouldn't die running it. combine that with massive damage and hard cc and you have a pretty strong class.

    ....yep in a world of condi, and a delay usage on elixir c when in battle definitely helps one survive the war for such a long time! fyi a thief can keep up with a engi rocket boot with no issue and still man handle us =/

  • Pimsley.3681Pimsley.3681 Member ✭✭✭

    Who’s the elementalist?

  • Kuya.6495Kuya.6495 Member ✭✭✭

    what spec are rngs running? druid staff/ dagger/sword?

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I don't know whether to cry at the one poor ele soul.

    I'll honestly laugh if that's Phanta.

  • @Pimsley.3681 said:
    Who’s the elementalist?

    I was the Elementalist. We lost against sind.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rednaxela.6018 said:

    @Pimsley.3681 said:
    Who’s the elementalist?

    I was the Elementalist. We lost against sind.

    I'm assuming you were using Tempest?

  • @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Rednaxela.6018 said:

    @Pimsley.3681 said:
    Who’s the elementalist?

    I was the Elementalist. We lost against sind.

    I'm assuming you were using Tempest?

    Nope, played fresh air weaver.

  • Yea, one weaver is still one weaver to much xD

  • Pimsley.3681Pimsley.3681 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rednaxela.6018 said:

    @Pimsley.3681 said:
    Who’s the elementalist?

    I was the Elementalist.

    /cheer

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  • jcbroe.4329jcbroe.4329 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 28, 2017

    @Kuya.6495 from a glance, the bunker Druid build from the great (fyi to anyone reading it's been used in UGOs and ATs by successful and winning teams and should be meta tagged but shrugs) section of metabattle.

    I saw some variations, but that was the build.

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  • @Pimsley.3681 said:

    @Rednaxela.6018 said:

    @Pimsley.3681 said:
    Who’s the elementalist?

    I was the Elementalist.

    /cheer

    I got a Razer Naga coz of you! I hope you keep posting YouTube videos of your FA Weaver.

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  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Added the statistics for December, balance patch did next to nothing once more.

  • went from 20 warriors in October to 9 in december. Now we need to give Firebrands and scourges a reason to play ele and rev and everything should even out somewhat

  • Why not separate by elites? Doesn't make sense to say 17 guardians when probably all of them were Firebrand

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