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  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @K THEN.5162 said:

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:
    Thank you for sharing. I would like to clarify that this isn't a 'crusade' against you or mesmers in general.

    It is more the insane burst damage from stealth that I felt needs to be nerfed and as Deceiver pointed out, perhaps the biggest culprit is the lack of tells for such a huge setup.

    I consider myself to be pretty aware of my surroundings but I never saw you or any tells of you going invis when you caught me with the burst.

    Would you share how long you can stack invis with your build?

    Hi there! No need to worry about me feeling attacked, I understand that power mesmer can be quite frustrating to those on the receiving end. With the PU build, I can stack up to 12 seconds of undetected stealth using Mass Invisibility and Decoy and 16 1/2 when I decide to cast mesmer torch 4. This definitely gives me more than enough time to close in on unsuspecting players travelling in my general direction. In regards to dealing with the untelegraphed burst, I came up with 2 possible solutions that power mesmer mains would probably hate me for:
    1. The clone spawns on the 3rd bounce of mirrorblade. If this was implemented, it would greatly lower the mesmer's instant burst while still maintaining it's total damage using the same rotation but stopping the 100-0 from stealth shenanigans.
    2. When you start casting mirrorblade, it debuffs you with reveal, similar to death's judgement. This change, though appearing more bizarre on paper, would keep the same amount of burst damage on mesmer, however it gives your opponent some counterplay if they manage to spot the animation.

    Not gonna lie, if either of these changes were implemented, I would more than likely retire my build. However, I am quite passionate about this game and I care deeply about it's overall health in regards to balancing so I understand that certain builds must be eliminated for the sake of preserving build diversity.

    All the best with roaming!

    To make things worse, the build the one shot mesmer uses is a PU build where he can stack up to 16 seconds of invis.
    More than enough time to hide in a corner or tower and then going invis to close the gap on the enemy.

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  • K THEN.5162K THEN.5162 Member ✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    It's worth looking at the damage log and realising what that mesmer is running and doing, the video links don't seem to work for me so I can't view that but from the log there's a big clue in the frozen burst that was absorbed. He is running the complete burst set up where you attack from stealth, mirror blade into mindwrack, mindstab and then swap weapons for hydromancy (maybe geo too) and blurred frenzy. If he messes it up the guy has 0 skill and will run, most likely will not be an issue for 90s as these types burn mass invis for the stealth engage.

    +1 for cleverly dissecting my build :P

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  • I got hit from stealth yesterday and got insta-downed from 22k health. No chance to hit a button at all, just downed.

    Working as intended.

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  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2018

    The only thing I dislike about this is the mantra of disruption or what ever it's called (the stun) as it sometimes stuns me mid dodge. but the burst it self is very dodgable even from stealth.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2018

    Currently running a Phantasm Chrono Shatter build, can down most people instantly but only if they weren't paying attention.

    If people are paying attention and have any skills to use other than 1, the fight can go either way.

    Thing about WvW now days, is no one is looking for a fight (maybe 4 snowflakes across 3 servers in a match up, on a good week), so 0-100 builds are the most effective way to kill someone before they stack up on defenses and run to the nearest tower.

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  • @K THEN.5162 said:

    @Corvus.2831 said:
    No one should be required to equip a specific ability to not be oneshot. You proven our point.

    Well my poor little muffin it seems you have 2 option:

    • You can either complain about your counterplay lacking build getting 1 shot by mesmers and demanding it gets nerfed in the next patch 3 months away
    • Or you can run a specific trait that every class has access to (and is in the game at this current moment) that effectively deals with this sort of build ^_^

    Im not going to become corrupt and play flavor of the month exploit. I want to play what i want to play, its the devs job to make it just as viable as anything else. Otherwise lets just not have that choice. Simple. And also no, not every class has tools to deal with everything and can win. if you sacrifice damage you cant win. if you sacrifice defenses to stand a chance you need a buff or everyone else needs a nerf.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Corvus.2831 said:

    @K THEN.5162 said:

    @Corvus.2831 said:
    No one should be required to equip a specific ability to not be oneshot. You proven our point.

    Well my poor little muffin it seems you have 2 option:

    • You can either complain about your counterplay lacking build getting 1 shot by mesmers and demanding it gets nerfed in the next patch 3 months away
    • Or you can run a specific trait that every class has access to (and is in the game at this current moment) that effectively deals with this sort of build ^_^

    Im not going to become corrupt and play flavor of the month exploit. I want to play what i want to play, its the devs job to make it just as viable as anything else. Otherwise lets just not have that choice. Simple. And also no, not every class has tools to deal with everything and can win. if you sacrifice damage you cant win. if you sacrifice defenses to stand a chance you need a buff or everyone else needs a nerf.

    I don't disagree about playing the 'FOTM' build. But not being flexible is foolish as well. I tend to build to counter the meta. It's more fun and more challenging.

    I also know that this game was never designed to be balanced in group sizes of less than 5.

    Most of the original focus of skills was based on skill combos. I am quite comfortable when my room gets wrecked in a 2v2, or. 2v4, or a 1v1. I either tweak my build, or work to play differently.

    Expecting there to be 1v1 balance is actually quite boring.

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  • coglin.1496coglin.1496 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018

    @Corvus.2831 said:

    @coglin.1496 said:

    @Corvus.2831 said:
    No one should be required to equip a specific ability to not be oneshot. You proven our point.

    Actually, if you are being "one shotted" you are either running a bad build or playing the build you are running badly. If you are not capable of not being killed by a single button press because of a skill issue, it is perfectly reasonable to utilize a skill, trait, or ability to defend yourself. Remember, your ability to die has as much to do with your skill level and build as it does with your opponents.

    You are using imbalance as excuse for imbalance. idiotism.

    No, I am simply pointing out that I, and many others I play with, do not have this problem at all, yet you do. And the only thing different in those scenarios is you.

    What is the mesmer using that is so effective against you, and how are they using it? List the skills, and process of how they are using them?

    Do not confuse your objective opinion with that of objective fact. Remember, what you say matters, not what you meant to say.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    2 guys in my guild both hit with DJ a glass mesmer took 38k and a hybrid guardian with 3k armour took 26k and people are still qqing at mesmers

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    2 guys in my guild both hit with DJ a glass mesmer took 38k and a hybrid guardian with 3k armour took 26k and people are still qqing at mesmers

    both shots was me.
    ingame your guild whispers me that i am a cheater cause those numbers are 'impossible' and here you want to claim those as a bigger issue then mesmer stuff ?
    i sadly didnt record the shot on the guard but i will upload the mesmer one and update this post then.
    so if i am a cheater, there is no point in putting those numbers up for debate - if i am not a cheater, why do i get whispers from your guild claiming so ?

    oh and nice buffood choice, cause of that i cant onehot you with a backstab and every other engage would be stupid with my build against yours.

    update:
    as promised the mesmer shot

  • Arlette.9684Arlette.9684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    2 guys in my guild both hit with DJ a glass mesmer took 38k and a hybrid guardian with 3k armour took 26k and people are still qqing at mesmers

    both shots was me.
    ingame your guild whispers me that i am a cheater cause those numbers are 'impossible' and here you want to claim those as a bigger issue then mesmer stuff ?
    i sadly didnt record the shot on the guard but i will upload the mesmer one and update this post then.
    so if i am a cheater, there is no point in putting those numbers up for debate - if i am not a cheater, why do i get whispers from your guild claiming so ?

    oh and nice buffood choice, cause of that i cant onehot you with a backstab and every other engage would be stupid with my build against yours.

    update:
    as promised the mesmer shot

    The fact that the mesmer was a sitting duck for as long as he was, makes that shot well deserved.

    Cheers!

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  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    2 guys in my guild both hit with DJ a glass mesmer took 38k and a hybrid guardian with 3k armour took 26k and people are still qqing at mesmers

    both shots was me.
    ingame your guild whispers me that i am a cheater cause those numbers are 'impossible' and here you want to claim those as a bigger issue then mesmer stuff ?
    i sadly didnt record the shot on the guard but i will upload the mesmer one and update this post then.
    so if i am a cheater, there is no point in putting those numbers up for debate - if i am not a cheater, why do i get whispers from your guild claiming so ?

    oh and nice buffood choice, cause of that i cant onehot you with a backstab and every other engage would be stupid with my build against yours.

    update:
    as promised the mesmer shot

    weird, because i am the thief you tried to gank a few times (got lucky with the BS wich i didnt expt. I pretty sure i landed an 8k combo hit on you at 1 point and you wasnt bought below 2/3's health so i thought you was running the valkry version and relying on hidden killer. interesting though, seen some high numbers not 38k lol

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
    2 guys in my guild both hit with DJ a glass mesmer took 38k and a hybrid guardian with 3k armour took 26k and people are still qqing at mesmers

    both shots was me.
    ingame your guild whispers me that i am a cheater cause those numbers are 'impossible' and here you want to claim those as a bigger issue then mesmer stuff ?
    i sadly didnt record the shot on the guard but i will upload the mesmer one and update this post then.
    so if i am a cheater, there is no point in putting those numbers up for debate - if i am not a cheater, why do i get whispers from your guild claiming so ?

    oh and nice buffood choice, cause of that i cant onehot you with a backstab and every other engage would be stupid with my build against yours.

    update:
    as promised the mesmer shot

    weird, because i am the thief you tried to gank a few times (got lucky with the BS wich i didnt expt. I pretty sure i landed an 8k combo hit on you and you wasnt bought below 2/3's health. intresting though,

    right as said i wanst able to oneshot you with BS yet but i tried a few times. and the reason for this is you buffood as stated above - do you want some clips from other thieves who did take different food and therefor died?
    in wich of the fights did you land that combo? on the day i shot you guard i was trying to gank you in your zerg and had pretty much all your zerg on me once out of stealth i barely escaped those and mostly was way below 2/3 - and i am pretty certain you didnt hit me there much or i would have died.
    or are you talking about the two fights in the tower on reset? those i still got on record and you didnt hit me with a 8k combo there. the first attempt i did a failstab non crit front stab for ~2k so i disengage and second attempt you run away.
    so still dont understand you point do you now think i am a cheater ? then why would you even mention those shots in this discussion - if not why should i care about you fialing your 8k combo -whatever that is. would be nice if you showed me your recording with me actually taking 8k dmg without dropping below 2/3 .

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018

    nah dude, was last MU vs the french, erm Thursday? between garri and bay just after the first time you downed me. combo was steal + flanking strike and an AA

    cheater? ofc not...i doubt there is even such of a thing as a dps cheat... speed hack/fly hack sure, everyone knows that. i mention them, (mainly the 38k shot) because i have never seen that high before, people are complaining about stun mesmer burst but no 1 complains about this (i am not complaining neither, just saying)

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018

    if the DJ hits i do think it is stronger then mesmer burst as it easier bypasses procs. but in most cases it is easier avoided unless you trick your opponent so you ensure your out of their field of view and remove DJ tells. like this:

    in most cases i use spotters shot before DJ so they are immobilized, guess that makes it similar to the common mesmer burst ? but still slower.
    the thing with DJ is in a closed combat scenario like a duel, you wont let yourself get hit by a DJ. in everyday wvw the chances are alot higher you will get hit.
    you dont need to be able to react fast as a stealth camper because the class wont let you, you only need patience to wait for the right moment and there are many such moments a little distraction or a movement skill that you need to cancel by weapon swaping to dodge is often enough if needed at all.
    there were many complains about DJ but the thieves forum mainly says that rifle is really weak, has many tells, everyone can dodge it allways and if you cant your bad..
    basically the forum considers a stealth sniper weak, if you die to one your even worse .. well i do many kills with it so am i good?
    i think because stealth camping deadeye cannot be improved much with skill like you can with other thief builds and the fact that many think it is really weak leads to very few deadeyes around, while i do see alot of mesmer. more mesmers = more QQ. and the reaction is also different mesmers mainly say : but we do give up this and that, deadeye will only say: well you are bad if you die to this. it is easier to argue that mesmers dont give up enough, then asking for more tells on DJ because i seriously dont know what else to add - maybe target dodges automatically if they still got endurance :D but that would also be considered too strong as you could drain endurance.

    i think the last discussion about DJ damage was active till shortly before last balance patch in the thieves forum and it will allways lead to : if you cant dodge , your bad - because deadeye with rifle is weak.
    doesnt work for mesmer bursts it seems, i do think they are highly predictable and i can mostly avoid them with stealth anyway so they are just an annoyance if they appear in groups.

  • Twice yesterday a small group of 5 were downed by the same mesmer, the group included myself. The frustrating part was seeing red 0's appearing on screen when hitting the mesmer, yet one or two hits from the mesmer, 26k health gone, while the enemy players health bar practically did not move. How do you counter this?

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @johnnymiller.5968 said:
    Twice yesterday a small group of 5 were downed by the same mesmer, the group included myself. The frustrating part was seeing red 0's appearing on screen when hitting the mesmer, yet one or two hits from the mesmer, 26k health gone, while the enemy players health bar practically did not move. How do you counter this?

    if you are hitting the mesmer the numbers should not be red but white - maybe with a red splash in the background if they are critical. if you see red numbers those are hits to your own toon probably from the mesmer.
    aside from that there is no way you hit a mesmer for 0 dmg maybe if you are a mesmer and your clones hit for 0 , but other then that mesmers do not have a skill like endure pain to my knowledge.

  • Velran.1052Velran.1052 Member ✭✭✭

    I like how people are excusing deadeye by saying you should just dodge, When they can sustain perma stealth rather easily. There's literally nothing you can do to avoid it other than run away...
    And no, Mesmers cannot one shot warriors, or anything with passive defences like endure pain/signet of stone. Its frankly amazing you people are still trying to make people believe its realistically doable.
    The only real one shots are from deadeye and warrior, But hey warrior doesn't have perma stealth.
    And pretty much every class can one shot other people if they build for it. This thread is pointless as kitten.

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Velran.1052 said:
    And no, Mesmers cannot one shot warriors
    And pretty much every class can one shot other people if they build for it.

    ?

  • You guys know what's embarassing? The class just went through a balance pass last patch.

  • Mesmers drink this:

  • Arlette.9684Arlette.9684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yseron.8613 said:
    Mesmers drink this:

    I'm temped to drop a line out of "The Fluffy Movie" but I'll refrain as I'm sure some random hippie will find it antisemitic.
    Instead I'll say "Blood of Noobs!"

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  • K THEN.5162K THEN.5162 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arlette.9684 said:

    @Yseron.8613 said:
    Mesmers drink this:

    I'm temped to drop a line out of "The Fluffy Movie" but I'll refrain as I'm sure some random hippie will find it antisemitic.
    Instead I'll say "Blood of Noobs!"

    Mesmers will have to watch their cholesterol, I'm sure the drink has high levels of salt

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  • Inoki.6048Inoki.6048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2018

    @ANet, if this is OK, then I don't know..... yet everyone complains about DEs that have a massive tell and can be countered in 90% of the instances.
    Pure cancer.

  • Vivilett.8509Vivilett.8509 Member ✭✭
    edited February 27, 2018

    Not sure if this is a trolling post . i have a mesmer and have never been able to insta down a player

    It usually takes me about 3-4 abilities in a 3 second time span, then i have to wait for them to reset.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vivilett.8509 said:
    Not sure if this is a trolling post . i have a mesmer and have never been able to insta down a player

    It usually takes me about 3-4 abilities in a 3 second time span, then i have to wait for them to reset.

    What has been interesting about the evolution of this thread is no one truly has a one shot build... all of the 'one shot builds' require set up with multiple skills.

    Originally this was posted just after the 'nerf DE into the ground' thread.

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  • mulzi.8273mulzi.8273 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vivilett.8509 said:
    Not sure if this is a trolling post . i have a mesmer and have never been able to insta down a player

    It usually takes me about 3-4 abilities in a 3 second time span, then i have to wait for them to reset.

    You need to tweak your build/reflexes a bit. Many mesmers can get those 3-4 abilities off all at once in a 1-2sec window (from stealth). thats where the one-shot comes in. But your right, they then scamper off with blink/evades/stealth until the cheese shot is off cd. When people say 'one shot', they really mean they can kill someone in 1-2 seconds from 100 to 0. Not that they only use one skill. Whether its a macro thing or skill, I leave to other folks to debate. Anet needs to at .5 casting time on these mesmer skills. That may put a damper in this whole 3-4 skills at once kitten.

  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2018

    @mulzi.8273 said:

    @Vivilett.8509 said:
    Not sure if this is a trolling post . i have a mesmer and have never been able to insta down a player

    It usually takes me about 3-4 abilities in a 3 second time span, then i have to wait for them to reset.

    You need to tweak your build/reflexes a bit. Many mesmers can get those 3-4 abilities off all at once in a 1-2sec window (from stealth). thats where the one-shot comes in. But your right, they then scamper off with blink/evades/stealth until the cheese shot is off cd. When people say 'one shot', they really mean they can kill someone in 1-2 seconds from 100 to 0. Not that they only use one skill. Whether its a macro thing or skill, I leave to other folks to debate. Anet needs to at .5 casting time on these mesmer skills. That may put a damper in this whole 3-4 skills at once kitten.

    A .5s global cooldown would solve a lot of spam problems in this game. Not all of them, obviously, but in no situation does anyone need to spam all of their instant casts in less than .5s. That's not thoughtful, critical play. It's just spam...

    Unfortunately, due to the way "Auto-Attacks" work, I don't know how they could implement something like this.

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  • @mulzi.8273 said:

    @Vivilett.8509 said:
    Not sure if this is a trolling post . i have a mesmer and have never been able to insta down a player

    It usually takes me about 3-4 abilities in a 3 second time span, then i have to wait for them to reset.

    You need to tweak your build/reflexes a bit. Many mesmers can get those 3-4 abilities off all at once in a 1-2sec window (from stealth). thats where the one-shot comes in. But your right, they then scamper off with blink/evades/stealth until the cheese shot is off cd. When people say 'one shot', they really mean they can kill someone in 1-2 seconds from 100 to 0. Not that they only use one skill. Whether its a macro thing or skill, I leave to other folks to debate. Anet needs to at .5 casting time on these mesmer skills. That may put a damper in this whole 3-4 skills at once kitten.

    Ill have to look at my keyboard i mean skills over thank you that clarifies it

  • Arlette.9684Arlette.9684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2018

    Oops, posted in the wrong thread :lol:
    Move along, nothing to see here

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  • Razor.6392Razor.6392 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can imagine how bad it is now after the ridiculously over the top rework they received.

    RIP in pieces fellow wvwers

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  • Blodeuyn.2751Blodeuyn.2751 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2018

    @K THEN.5162 said:
    Well my poor little muffin it seems you have 2 option:

    • You can either complain about your counterplay lacking build getting 1 shot by mesmers and demanding it gets nerfed in the next patch 3 months away
    • Or you can run a specific trait that every class has access to (and is in the game at this current moment) that effectively deals with this sort of build ^_^

    Funny, we caught you using macros on your mesmer tonight.

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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    How did you catch them (genuinely curious)?

  • Shadowcat.2680Shadowcat.2680 Member ✭✭✭

    @K THEN.5162 said:

    @Corvus.2831 said:
    No one should be required to equip a specific ability to not be oneshot. You proven our point.

    Well my poor little muffin it seems you have 2 option:

    • You can either complain about your counterplay lacking build getting 1 shot by mesmers and demanding it gets nerfed in the next patch 3 months away
    • Or you can run a specific trait that every class has access to (and is in the game at this current moment) that effectively deals with this sort of build ^_^

    Ran across you tonight with you as a base mesmer repping BOZ.

    Your macro use is obvious. Please don't tell other players they should be running certain traits when you yourself are not playing fairly.

  • Blodeuyn.2751Blodeuyn.2751 Member ✭✭✭

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:
    How did you catch them (genuinely curious)?

    It was glaringly obvious. Glaringly. I am not one to say things like this lightly. Anet has the evidence now, end of story. :)

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    Quaggan OP [QOP], League of Extraordinary Siegers [LEXS]

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ok ty, just wanted to know if there was a better way than referring to combat log or reviewing timeframe on recorded video.

  • K THEN.5162K THEN.5162 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2018

    @Blodeuyn.2751 said:
    Funny, we caught you using macros on your mesmer tonight.

    XD I appreciate the attention and I assure you I'm not using macros (I can barely understand my residence microwave let alone figure out how to install macro software)
    In an attempt to prove I'm not using macros, I've attached a picture of my keybindings

    If you haven't already noticed, I binded my "A, S, and D" keys to my burst rather than to movement and in case you were wondering, yes I'm god awful at jumping puzzles because of it

    Thanks for the shoutout and happy WvWing :)

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  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CantoGuy.6459 said:
    That doesn't prove anything...you could have just as easily rebinded your keys to "prove" your not a hacker but anyone hit by your super skillful burst makes it glaringly obvious theres a 3rd party program involved. You ganked me for 2 weeks during the sbi yb tie and somehow every time the combat shows 15+ damage sources in less than a second...I call kitten on that

    there is no way he can prove he is not using a macro or what would be prove enough for you ? using a macro would be stupid tho as there are not enough instant casts to gain an advantage so you just limit yourself to a pattern. how about you prove is actually cheating? its easy to accuse someone of cheating as it is pretty hard to prove you are not.
    15 hits within a second is not enough to prove anything, but would you mind telling me how you can see seconds in your combat log? mine is only hour and minutes.

  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    15 hits within a second is not enough to prove anything, but would you mind telling me how you can see seconds in your combat log? mine is only hour and minutes.

    Probably video replay.

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    Jekkies

  • I'm not prone to making "nerf x" posts but this is definitely one super cheesy build. I don't know why people defend it.

  • I have not played pvp since PoF came out and in WvW, balances are also frustrating for non PoF players. I have had quite a few low level newbie players and probably still on low level equipment and weapons make me look like I'm a geriatric in a hospital ward. This is extremely frustrating given the 5 years of playing and effort I've put into this game. Maybe the Kodan have an idea of balance

  • Macro complaints are idiotic. I've gotten my fair share of accusatory whispers, and I feel none of them have gotten their head around using instant skills during cast-time skills.
    The typical mesmer burst is only four (three damage) skills; Blink while casting mirror blade, and mind wrack while casting mind stab. In the combat log, that can quickly turn into six entries. 3x mirror, 2x shatter, 1x mind stab. Not including sigil or food procs (add another ~two entries).
    If you take the skilled mesmers who implement more precast/instant skills into the rotation, your combat log can get overwhelming.
    You can include a precast berserker, power spike, jaunt, and a mirage dodge for another clone to get another shatter source. All keybinds pressed sequentially, with ~10+ damage sources (not actual skills) in <1s.
    This isn't a small pool of mesmer players who can do that. The ability to mix instant and cast skills into a burst rotation is a trait shared with other known burst classes like ele, thief, and (discharge) engie.

  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Titan.3472 said:
    And a single scourge bombed me in an instant for 7k hp a second yesterday.

    And a daredevil knocked 12k hp off less than a second from 1200 range while stunning me and instantly being back at 1200+ range.

    And a spellbreaker killed me while invoulnerable.

    And a weaver bombed 15k hp in less than a second.

    And a herald knocks 6k hp off each autoattack at 1200 range.

    And even if any of these do get a bomb in a firebrand can heal up from 0 to 100 in an instant.

    Etc and so on.

    Its not mesmers wars.

    Welcome to GW2. It is what it is. It doesnt matter what your class is, any time you complain about enemy classes look at your kitten own class first.

    This. This. This. Why is the current obsession with Mesmer being OP when MANY classes have cheap, skilless builds full of broken burst and/or cheese mechanics. Many classes have lazy, easy to abuse builds and mechanics. Yet its only Mesmer that is getting hate - why?

  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ArmageddonAsh.6430 said:

    @Titan.3472 said:
    And a single scourge bombed me in an instant for 7k hp a second yesterday.

    And a daredevil knocked 12k hp off less than a second from 1200 range while stunning me and instantly being back at 1200+ range.

    And a spellbreaker killed me while invoulnerable.

    And a weaver bombed 15k hp in less than a second.

    And a herald knocks 6k hp off each autoattack at 1200 range.

    And even if any of these do get a bomb in a firebrand can heal up from 0 to 100 in an instant.

    Etc and so on.

    Its not mesmers wars.

    Welcome to GW2. It is what it is. It doesnt matter what your class is, any time you complain about enemy classes look at your kitten own class first.

    This. This. This. Why is the current obsession with Mesmer being OP when MANY classes have cheap, skilless builds full of broken burst and/or cheese mechanics. Many classes have lazy, easy to abuse builds and mechanics. Yet its only Mesmer that is getting hate - why?

    Stealth, same with thief. That gets the most attention.
    But yeah lots of broken 10-20k damage skills in the game now.

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  • ArmageddonAsh.6430ArmageddonAsh.6430 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XenesisII.1540 said:
    Stealth, same with thief. That gets the most attention.
    But yeah lots of broken 10-20k damage skills in the game now.

    Yep. The game is "balanced" around bad players. There are SO many poorly balanced skills. Press and forget mechanics. Passive defense. Easily abused burst and stealth running and resets. This game is RIDDLED with issues. Rather than focusing on one class, its the game as a whole that needs the focus.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @EvilSardine.9635 said:
    Why can mesmers insta-down people?
    Why is there not much talk about this? Instant kill abilities with no counter-play should not exist in a game. There should be skillful counter-play to everything.
    [..]
    Is this getting nerfed or what? I don't mind being outplayed in duels and small fights but being instantly downed out of nowhere feels like you're cheated.

    The real question is why are mesmers STILL able to insta-down people?

    SIX YEARS of balance patches. Worst balance yet. Is it an April fools? Are WE the April fools? Are Anet? Is the whole thing a Year-Long Fools joke, or a SIX-YEAR-Long Fools joke?

    Necro. Never knowingly blasting combo fields since 2012.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Svarty.8019 said:

    @EvilSardine.9635 said:
    Why can mesmers insta-down people?
    Why is there not much talk about this? Instant kill abilities with no counter-play should not exist in a game. There should be skillful counter-play to everything.
    [..]
    Is this getting nerfed or what? I don't mind being outplayed in duels and small fights but being instantly downed out of nowhere feels like you're cheated.

    The real question is why are mesmers STILL able to insta-down people?

    SIX YEARS of balance patches. Worst balance yet. Is it an April fools? Are WE the April fools? Are Anet? Is the whole thing a Year-Long Fools joke, or a SIX-YEAR-Long Fools joke?

    Maybe it's only my experience: lately either the balance has somewhat caught up, or more bad players are playing Mesmer/Mirage, but I've noticed more and more can't finish the opener, then they go into panick mode pooping out clones at nothing, running in circles and taking more and more damage until my relatively-tanky-hits-slightly-harder-than-a-wet-noodle weaver whittles them to
    Down state.....

    I figure if I'm doing that.....

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • atheria.2837atheria.2837 Member ✭✭✭

    12 pages of complaints and discussion and still not a word from GW2.

    No one should be able to 'one shot' another in any game mode.

  • I just had a buddy start playing GW2 after quitting BSO due to one shot builds being rampant in that game.

    He's been instant downed by mesmers repeatedly and it's making this game look terrible.

    Anet, when is this changing?

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