New Raid Meta!

1. Chrono, condi support soulbeast, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver
2. Chrono, condi support warrior, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver

GG diversity

Calling dips on this comp, it's called the Zlater comp. Also everyone must now equip their heal skill for the first time.Also chronos must now perma distort everything, they will now be forced to bleed also from their ears and eyes trying to line up distortion with aura damage.

@Zlater.6789 said:

1. Chrono, condi support soulbeast, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver
2. Chrono, condi support warrior, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver

GG diversity

Calling dips on this comp, it's called the Zlater comp. Also everyone must now equip their heal skill for the first time.Also chronos must now perma distort everything, they will now be forced to bleed also from their ears and eyes trying to line up distortion with aura damage.

Except condi weaver is bad at literally everything except single target dps against a stationary boss before their fgs disappears (which got a significant nerf anyways). It has garbage cc, no real utility, poor cleave against multiple enemies, requires targets to stand in extremely small aoe's and lowest health/armor with no real other defenses to make up for it so good luck keeping them alive without a real healer.

Of all the top dog PoF classes as usual the guardians were left virtually unscathed, so firebrand will be even more OP than it already was while renegade and soulbeast eat shit and weaver got its deserved nerfs.

It's going to be firebrand all day everyday now....they are so incompetent.

The scourge buffs that were mentioned didn't even happen, just a few more extra torment stacks on desert shroud it's pathetic.

6 weeks for so little changes. Productivity in this company is atrocious.

@ArthurDent.9538 said:

@Zlater.6789 said:

1. Chrono, condi support soulbeast, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver
2. Chrono, condi support warrior, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver

GG diversity

Calling dips on this comp, it's called the Zlater comp. Also everyone must now equip their heal skill for the first time.Also chronos must now perma distort everything, they will now be forced to bleed also from their ears and eyes trying to line up distortion with aura damage.

Don't be scrub, nobody uses defenses, what is this 2k14? Also l2p boss shouldn't be moving -_-

@Zlater.6789 said:

@ArthurDent.9538 said:

@Zlater.6789 said:

1. Chrono, condi support soulbeast, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver
2. Chrono, condi support warrior, condi weaver, condi weaver, condi weaver

GG diversity

Calling dips on this comp, it's called the Zlater comp. Also everyone must now equip their heal skill for the first time.Also chronos must now perma distort everything, they will now be forced to bleed also from their ears and eyes trying to line up distortion with aura damage.

Ironically 2k14 was when nothing but dps mattered since bosses could be bursted down to dead before they could even fight back. But now raids take a bit longer and passive damage auras will kill many builds on their own without supplemental healing.

2 chronos, druid, warrior (dual banner), 1 healer, 5 dps (might even exchange 1 chrono for firebrand+renegade ending with 6 dps).

New boss speedclears incomming.

@Zenith.7301 said:Of all the top dog PoF classes as usual the guardians were left virtually unscathed, so firebrand will be even more OP than it already was while renegade and soulbeast eat kitten and weaver got its deserved nerfs.

It's going to be firebrand all day everyday now....they are so incompetent.

The scourge buffs that were mentioned didn't even happen, just a few more extra torment stacks on desert shroud it's pathetic.

6 weeks for so little changes. Productivity in this company is atrocious.

Go back and reread the notes. Quickfire was nerfed pretty hard.

@Zenith.7301 said:Of all the top dog PoF classes as usual the guardians were left virtually unscathed, so firebrand will be even more OP than it already was while renegade and soulbeast eat kitten and weaver got its deserved nerfs.Quickfire took quite a hit that will result in a noticeable dps drop in group content. No need to whine about guardians remaining unscathed.

For non-distorted runs, Kitty would say either 2 chronos or a rev and firebrand replacing one chrono. 2 healers, 1 DPS warr with banners, some might source and DPSers. Doesn't really matter how those are done as long as people get the alacrity, quickness, might and fury somewhat covered. Ol' good mantra "enough heals, enough support and enough DPS".

@LadyKitty.6120 said:For non-distorted runs, Kitty would say either 2 chronos or a rev and firebrand replacing one chrono. 2 healers, 1 DPS warr with banners, some might source and DPSers. Doesn't really matter how those are done as long as people get the alacrity, quickness, might and fury somewhat covered. Ol' good mantra "enough heals, enough support and enough DPS".

Well without a reason for druid, I don't really see us leaning toward a double dedicated healing strategy. Condi soulbeast has 10-man heals now with spirit of water, there are also other options like running jungle stalker for heals, pig for heals and cc. And if they realllllly need, they can run spirit of Nature instead of One Wolf Pack also don't forget nature magic. Mesmers dropping well of eternity here and there, emergency heals from a firebrand or an occasional wash away the pain from Tempest or any ele that swaps to water momentarily..

@Cyninja.2954 said:2 chronos, druid, warrior (dual banner), 1 healer, 5 dps (might even exchange 1 chrono for firebrand+renegade ending with 6 dps).

New boss speedclears incomming.

it could be either might stack druid , renegade (condi )and firebrand or soulbeast , renegade (healer) and firebrand or dps chrono for quickness and rev healer + soulbeastthere will be more off meta option and unlike before patch , the dps difference won't be huge since there are more comp can cover all buffs .

@musu.9205 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:2 chronos, druid, warrior (dual banner), 1 healer, 5 dps (might even exchange 1 chrono for firebrand+renegade ending with 6 dps).

New boss speedclears incomming.

Anywhere that has mechanics that can be distorted to be ignored will likely still use 2 chrono which then removes any buff consolidation for alacrity and quickness. RIP PS war but that warrior can now run DPS so we'd technically be in a 6 DPS meta regardless and that's even looking at potentially having 2 might stackers/healers as you can now consolidate those roles in druid. If you can get away with 2 condi druids like some top guilds we will probably see a massive decrease in clear times for them.

For most casual groups or ones that want to try something different then options on some bosses got a lot more interesting. I'm going to be looking at Particular's old healer tempest and seeing how that could be worked into some of our bosses if only for trying out something different while not missing out on any buffs thanks to the condi druid.

I'm looking forward to Nike's video regardless.

In Legion whenever someone complains that WoW balance might be off I just direct them to some GW2 data and they quickly apologize to Blizzard.

No question that we will still have double Chrono, but I think we'll still see double CPS Warriors. They're still the most efficient Might sharing, they just won't be able to do 25 stacks on their own.

@Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:No question that we will still have double Chrono, but I think we'll still see double CPS Warriors. They're still the most efficient Might sharing, they just won't be able to do 25 stacks on their own.

There is better might stackers which do reach 25 stacks. Why settle for a might stacker which does not provide 25 stacks over one that does?

Warrior will likely get run as cdps and 1 banner warrior.

My Harrier druid can keep perma might reliably, and if you have an ele or renegade in your raid there should really be no issues whatsoever keeping permanent stacks of might and fury between those three.

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:No question that we will still have double Chrono, but I think we'll still see double CPS Warriors. They're still the most efficient Might sharing, they just won't be able to do 25 stacks on their own.

Consistency, really. Phalanx Strength may not be able to hit 25 Might anymore, but what they do give is not going to drop at all. 25 stacks on other professions has very little wiggle-room before they drop several stacks at once. Having a PS Warrior means those cooldowns can be spaced out a little more for much higher consistency.

@Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@Drarnor Kunoram.5180 said:No question that we will still have double Chrono, but I think we'll still see double CPS Warriors. They're still the most efficient Might sharing, they just won't be able to do 25 stacks on their own.

Now that depends on how you build those other classes and how you rotate the might boons. Kitty hasn't had any real issues with such on most classes when she's been trying to turn them into mightbots (and pretty much every class but engi can do that somewhat efficiently).

@apharma.3741 said:

@musu.9205 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:2 chronos, druid, warrior (dual banner), 1 healer, 5 dps (might even exchange 1 chrono for firebrand+renegade ending with 6 dps).

New boss speedclears incomming.

gor / vg , cm samg , rather than those , i think most thing can be done with aegis spam .in some cases it might be even more reliable than distortion .you don't need 2 chrono for sloth shake , and fear can be block or cover with resistance . well you can't fully block matt attack but aegis spam seems good enough to me . kc is bit tricky since aura dmg is blockable i remember .i don't think firebrand + rev is good at carin but who knows . on MO and deimos they can be really good

New Meta is going to be Druid, Chronomancer x2, Soulbeast, Condi DPS Warrior, Fill x 5.

From initial testing, it appears as though all DPS builds have been brought down to 30k DPS. Might-stacking builds (cPS, Renegade, Scourge, Deadeye) are around 26k DPS.

@Mikeskies.1536 said:New Meta is going to be Druid, Chronomancer x2, Soulbeast, Condi DPS Warrior, Fill x 5.

From initial testing, it appears as though all DPS builds have been brought down to 30k DPS. Might-stacking builds (cPS, Renegade, Scourge, Deadeye) are around 26k DPS.

Who's filling the second heal spot? Pretty sure that soulbeast isn't required and it'll be a healer rev/temp

@meeflak.9714 said:

@Mikeskies.1536 said:New Meta is going to be Druid, Chronomancer x2, Soulbeast, Condi DPS Warrior, Fill x 5.

From initial testing, it appears as though all DPS builds have been brought down to 30k DPS. Might-stacking builds (cPS, Renegade, Scourge, Deadeye) are around 26k DPS.

Who said you needed mirror comp? I think it would be a 5-4-1 setup with druid taking the 1 spot. something like:

Chrono-soul beast-dps-dps-dpsChrono-warrior-dps-dpsDruid

In this comp, a soul beast would definitely use "leader of the pack" to share "one wolf pack" to the 3 dedicated dps. At least that's what I think @Mikeskies.1536 is saying here. Can you confirm that?

@Zlater.6789 said:

@meeflak.9714 said:

@Mikeskies.1536 said:New Meta is going to be Druid, Chronomancer x2, Soulbeast, Condi DPS Warrior, Fill x 5.

From initial testing, it appears as though all DPS builds have been brought down to 30k DPS. Might-stacking builds (cPS, Renegade, Scourge, Deadeye) are around 26k DPS.

Chrono-druid-dps-dps-dpsChrono-Healerrev/tempest-warrior-dps-dps

Seems more appropriate to me, are we going to put all the healing on one druid ?

Sure add a soulbeast in somewhere, but I'm pretty sure we'll need a second healer

g1 chrono dps dps dpsg2 chrono dps dps dpsg3 druidg4 cps

Probably still gonna be 2x chrono, 1x condi druid/soulbeast, 1x heal druid. And instead of 2 cps its 1 condi berserker, rest fill up with dps.

Only exception: KC due to power only mechanic and subsequently no condi subgroup.

Condi renegade still cant keep up 100% alacrity, imo, so we are still in nearly the same position with 2x chrono as before patch.

Condi druid/soulbeast only brings sunspirit and glyphs, heal druid brings the other spirits and glyphs. Im pretty sure tiger and warhorn is enough to keep up fury, though other sources sure make it easier on the chronos. You still have 3 cc pets on bosses where necessary, and overall you gain 1 full dps slot, while getting more defense due to stonespirit.

Speedclear probably can run this with 2 condi druids (one of them with traveler runes maybe?)

All in all, power dps are fighting a loosing battle to stay in meta for bosses other than KC. Well except Holosmith, that is. So EA isnt mandatory anymore in each group.

Tbh, Id probably run something like this on every boss except KC, even though its not optimal on VG, Gorse or Sloth either.Group1: Chrono, Buffdruid, Holosmith, Condi Renegade, Condi BerserkerGroup2: Chrono, Condidruid/soulbeast, Fill with nice dps combos, maybe a scourge if you have trouble with sustain or adds

But... I havent tested more than a few builds so far, so this is highly theoretical.