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  • Fire X.5184Fire X.5184 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    @tappajabob.5983 said:
    Selling these gambling lootboxes is unethical. I am just disappointed that GW 2 is taking this direction, but I also see hope that game developers would see this as a mistake and learn from it. One of the good old golden rules of GW 2 was that developers are allowed to make mistakes and learn from those.

    I agree they can learn from this but come on...How did they not see the hole EA battlefront 2 backlash with loot boxes? You have to pretty dense to try this on gw2 and not see the backlash coming....

  • Ohoni.6057Ohoni.6057 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I feel like story mission rewards, achievement rewards, these are rewarding. Drops almost never feel rewarding, because they are only very rarely anything I want or need. I really do wish that every single green and blue item in the game would never drop at all, just provide the salvage equivalent. The new unidentified loot boxes are far better than the HoT method of just pouring the items directly into your inventory, as it means that you don't have to manage them every five minutes while in the field, but at the same time it means I had to spend almost an hour in the Mistlock Sanctuary a couple weeks back just opening and processing my stacks of unidentifieds I'd accumulated to that point.

    I don't mind the Gem store though, when it's fair. I don't mind that most of the fancy new skins appear in the gem store, as a way for the game to make money, because I understand that this is a business and they can't survive on box purchases alone. Either grow up and accept that reality or move on, they can't make you happy if you don't. What I do absolutely hate though is when they involve RNG and other gimmicks in this process, when you cannot pay a fixed and fair amount of gems to get the specific item that you want, but instead have to gamble in the hopes that you might get the item that you want. I will NEVER support that sort of behavior, and its inclusion makes me less interested in supporting the game going forward. I also hate when they bundle unrelated things, like the recent Halloween mounts, or when they bundle an outfit and a glider together and don't offer each piece separately. And of course Outfits. I'll never buy an Outfit that I can't mix and match with other armor pieces, Outfits have zero value to me, but if they'd released them as mix-and-match armors I'd have bought over a dozen of them already.

  • I won't buy account bound skins locked inside RNG loot boxes. I love the mount skins and would happily purchase a few if I knew what I was getting (like what was done with Gliders), but as it stands there's no way.
    I think 400 gems is perfectly fine for a simple mount reskin IF I can pick which one I want. Only then.

  • Vyrulisse.1246Vyrulisse.1246 Member ✭✭✭

    Very very rarely.

  • argyler.2503argyler.2503 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    I've said it before around here, but I bought some gems, got some skins - mostly out of sheer excitement (of my own volition, I'm under no illusion, I chose to participate, I chose to roll the die, that's all on me), but this is the first and only time I have ever felt... regret for purchasing a component of the game.

    I'm always the guy who rolls his eyes at people who freak out over this or that: "ugh weapon skin so much gems anet y?" or what have you; but this... I feel a little cheated. I just wanted three or four of the skins. I spent a lot of actual money, almost as much as I spent on the actual expansions, and I got something that is kinda nice, but isn't something I want. I'm not okay with that.

    I'd like the opportunity to choose the skins I actually wanted to spend money on. If you're looking for a solution, that's what it is. I don't like half the skins I inevitably bought, I'd like the ones I wanted to buy.

    All in all, I expected better from ANet, and that's my two cents.

    [EDIT] cleaned up grammar/wording.

  • Cronos.6532Cronos.6532 Member ✭✭✭

    @CepeDuH.7543 said:

    @Cronos.6532 said:
    Further comparing this to other games, consider Brawlhalla:

    • Free game
    • Has rotating themed chests of skins
    • No duplicates
    • Skins cannot be traded or refunded
    • Approximately US$3 in gems to open a chest
    • No gold to gems exchange.
    • The chance of getting the exact skin you want is 1/18 to 1/20
    • You can get the skin you want on the gem store for a cost of about 40% more. (gem cost depends on how much you buy at once)
    • The exception to this is the 2 or 3 skins that are exclusive to the chest.
    • The incentive to buy the chest is that you pay less gems but may not get the skin you want. You might get one of the chest-exclusive skins, though.

    GW2

    B2P
    No duplicates
    5$ to open a chest
    Gold to gem conversion

    I think it's pretty fair if compare to that pile of f2p trash you mentioned.

    Perhaps I added too many details. The main focus is how there are less items per chest, and that you can pay 40% more to buy a specific item in the chest.

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  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not sure what you mean by rewarding. . I mean it's about as rewarding as painting a orange.. badly.. it was fun to do, but that is about it.

    There are two kinds of Gamers, Salty, and Extra Salty.
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  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Most of the time, yes.
    First, I am a slow learning player. It means that I need time at things to become good at them. So, even nowadays I keep learning and progressing. Already thanks to that, I am always learning new and progressing, what I find very rewarding.
    Aside of this, thanks to my activities, I have a daily gold income varying between 10 and 20 gold, even more once in awhile. As a veteran player, compared to what were my earnings during old times, I find that very rewarding on a daily basis.
    Then:

    • In term of golds, there are the meta events, WvW, fractals and such.
    • In term of points, there are the loads of achievements available that I will probably never achieve to complete in a lifetime!
    • In term of fun: I am a commander and this is a "job" that I love to do and that is very rewarding on the fun and pleasure side. Aside of that, there are so many things I love to do and bringing fun to me. That's very rewarding too, the best being when I can do stuff with my friends.

    And the reason why I do not select "All the time"? Simply because nothing can be perfect. There are things I dislike, out of which some that I find real bad or even "hate". I try to avoid those, but it is not always possible when they are mandatory to progress further. Also, regularly, I can be pretty upset and frustrated, and in such moments, my love for the game gets a bit down... ROFL.

    I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message...

  • Ayumi Spender.1082Ayumi Spender.1082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I have nothing good so I'm going to say never.

  • As it has been said before this game has always been on the friendlier side of micro transactions compared to most of it's counter parts however this decision to add another lootbox system behind an even higher paywall is not only disappointing, it is insulting to their loyal fan base (new and old). I have spent a lot of money over the years on their cosmetics, happily so, as I felt that the time and enjoyment I got out of the game was more than worth the financial investment however after a poor expansion such as HoT (glorified dlc) and now trying to sour the experience of the new more fleshed out PoF, after applying a very much anticipated balance patch may i add, I refuse to spend another penny on the title until something is done. Either talk to your publisher, shareholders, financial and marketing department to have this system made more consumer friendly or preferably remove it entirely. The greed of, lets face it, less than reputable publishers and shareholders has sullied the amazing piece's of digital art that developers have put their heart and soul into for our enjoyment. THIS INDUSTRY NEEDS TO CHANGE! MORE POWER TO DEVELOPERS, LESS INVOLVEMENT FROM PUBLISHERS AND PANDERING TO SHAREHOLDERS....LET THE GAME SPEAK FOR ITSELF AND STOP APPLYING THESE UNDER HANDED, GAMBLING TACTICS TO PREY UPON THE WEAK OR DARN RIGHT STUPID.

  • @Lacuda.8543 said:
    Arenanet, the community HATES this.

    Sure do o.o

  • I don't want any more randomized lootboxes. I just want to purchase the mount skins I'm interested in.

  • I love some of the new skins - the one's with new markings and patterns to be specific. Seeing more variation in the models would be nice. I liked that some of the models did have subtle changes to them (griffons and skimmers with different tails, raptors with different horn structures). I'm not such a fan of the sparkly/burning skins.

    I won't partake in the RNG because I don't have a griffon and I don't want the "fancy" skins. Buying the whole bundle is too overwhelming - I don't need 6 new skins of every mount all in one go. I did buy the Halloween bundle, so that's enough "fancy" for me, and these latest mounts take the effects to very sparkly levels. A bundle of one of each mount at 1600 gems was fine and probably the maximum amount I would spend in a go in the gemstore, and I don't mind the Halloween griffon skin sitting for a while until I do decide I would like the griffon mount.

    I'm glad you can't get duplicates via this new RNG system, so people can try their luck without being stuck with 2 of the same skin. 400 gems per skin is a very fair price, I would say. I guess its worth it if you want most of the mounts and are happy to swallow the chance at getting one you don't want. It's not worth it if you only want 1 to say 5 mount skins in the bundle.

    So yes, I'm sad I can't get a new skin for each of my 4 mounts, but so life goes.

  • I don't mind the price but I don't like the RNG and I do want new mounts not just skins.

  • Jordan.5930Jordan.5930 Member ✭✭✭

    @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @Cloud.7613 said:
    Bags inside of bags ... so rewarding.

    Congratulations! You killed the dragon! Here are you trash bags.

    Haha! So true. What if Anet would have done like, 1 ascended trinket for the first TWO times you complete your personal story. A trinket that says like, "Eye of Zhaitan" and you could pick any stat combo for it. Imagine how much better this game would be, how rewarding that would feel. I feel like it wouldn't be broken either since you could only receive a max of two per account. But that's just wishful thinking :'(

  • TexZero.7910TexZero.7910 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Unless you like RP'ing as a Nascar driver.....Not often are there decent or even long term rewards.

  • Jordan.5930Jordan.5930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dreamy Lu.3865 said:
    Most of the time, yes.
    First, I am a slow learning player. It means that I need time at things to become good at them. So, even nowadays I keep learning and progressing. Already thanks to that, I am always learning new and progressing, what I find very rewarding.
    Aside of this, thanks to my activities, I have a daily gold income varying between 10 and 20 gold, even more once in awhile. As a veteran player, compared to what were my earnings during old times, I find that very rewarding on a daily basis.
    Then:

    • In term of golds, there are the meta events, WvW, fractals and such.
    • In term of points, there are the loads of achievements available that I will probably never achieve to complete in a lifetime!
    • In term of fun: I am a commander and this is a "job" that I love to do and that is very rewarding on the fun and pleasure side. Aside of that, there are so many things I love to do and bringing fun to me. That's very rewarding too, the best being when I can do stuff with my friends.

    And the reason why I do not select "All the time"? Simply because nothing can be perfect. There are things I dislike, out of which some that I find real bad or even "hate". I try to avoid those, but it is not always possible when they are mandatory to progress further. Also, regularly, I can be pretty upset and frustrated, and in such moments, my love for the game gets a bit down... ROFL.

    I love your positive attitude <3 Thanks for sharing, honestly, I need to share the same outlook as you instead of being so pessimistic.

  • Jordan.5930Jordan.5930 Member ✭✭✭

    @TexZero.7910 said:
    Unless you like RP'ing as a Nascar driver.....Not often are there decent or even long term rewards.

    I feel ya :'(

  • needs skills and ways to earn gold

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    meh, 400 gem is cheap, you can easily get it with 120 ish gold.

    there's only 30 of the skins and you get no duplicate, you can easily farm your way to get the skins you like. because the loot table gets smaller as you progress.
    so it's whatever, ill pay 10 dollar do some RNG gamble and support the company and the rest i'll be buying with the gold i earned from playing PvP or tournament.

    RNG keeps the skins from being too overused, any skin that can be bought for 600 straight out of the gem store has no value at all. not to mention some of the skins are too over the top compare to others. i don't want my game to be filled with starbound griffon like it's dirt. hurt my eyes too

    like it's time gated skins, it's hey, you have spare 120 gold, try to get a new skin, oh its not the skin you want, try again later.
    it's just like prescusor dropds, or whatever drops you get, or like time gated skins which you can skip if you have enough money/gold. so it's ok

  • IndigoSundown.5419IndigoSundown.5419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sykper.6583 said:
    I'm going to say this.

    I think there's just a bit too much overreaction going on. I've read comments everything from 'This has ruined my gambling addiction avoidance for 5 years' to 'This game should be labeled A for Adult now for the gambling influence'. I'm aware these are fringe cases, but I can't help but feel like many folks are really, really taking this too far with their reactions. I personally didn't mind the price or even RNG, sure it would be nice if skins were released that required in-game work to gain, or if skins cost a flat amount on the gemstore.

    The thing is, none of us can pass judgement on if this was the only answer to allowing Arenanet to make a profit or not. I'm not going to underestimate anyone here, I'm willing to gander that at one point Arenanet saw that putting 30 skins on the Gemstore for flat costs would be a huge negative in their gains. This could have been the only option for these skins. Or perhaps you guys are correct, that Arenanet is simply going more predatory.

    Imho, for a company that still has one of the most flexible and customer friendly 'in-game stores' across all the MMOs, I'm willing to give them more credit given all the advantages they've given us so far. And while I can understand frustrations, I'm a little bit disappointed in the community right now than Arenanet.

    Over the past year or so, we have seen more and more attempts to get people to purchase things they might not want in order to get things they do want. Bundles are good for consumers if the bundle contains things they want at a price lower than the individual prices of those items. They are not good deals for consumers if the consumer only wants one of the items and cannot buy that item separately. If you examine the store offerings, ANet is probably making enough off bundling to warrant them continuing to use that tactic. What is not known is how much they might have made by selling the items separately.

    Ultimately, while the business must do what the business must do, the consumer also must look to their own welfare. Since we don't know what ANet's Profit & Loss statements look like, speculating on whether they had to resort to this approach cannot be a discussion item for us. What is appropriate for consumers to discuss is what works for them.

    Sometimes there are consequences for making business choices. The way the mounts are packaged was apparently a bad choice, at least if this thread is any indication. I don't condone some of the more extreme positions taken, nor the invective. However, most of what I've read has been consumers speaking out about whether they are willing to support this sales model, or whether they are willing to support a company that tries to get more out of the sale of a luxury item than the market will bear.

    I would not be surprised if the adoption skins include draft versions of mounts that were later replaced by the final versions, added to several purpose built skins with particle effects, etc. I would also not be surprised if the adoption initiative, coupled with the large price for a single skin, was an attempt to see what the market would bear. If sales are great despite the negative reaction, then we might see more of the same going forward. If not, we'll likely see a different approach by ANet.

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- Santayana

  • Matthias.8621Matthias.8621 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    it's senseless to write anything about loot RNG Chest...
    Anet wont to take up our feedback. Look at the black lion chest... nothing changed in the past.

    RNG is the most sh.it i've ever seen in the gaming Industry it shows the inabilities from game designer and marketing guys

  • Why can't I CHOOSE the skin I want to buy? I'm not touching your lootboxes. Shame on you ANet.

  • Jordan.5930Jordan.5930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hodori.1068 said:
    I say almost never because I miss getting cool stuff from achievements and even as drops by playing the game like we did in the first year of Guild Wars 2. . . Pretty much all the skins and stuff linked to achievements and defeating bosses. Ever since LS1, everything has been equipment like accessories that have no effect on our unique look (looking at you LS2 and Heart of Thorns Story content, and all those ascended accessories for completing the story achievements). There have been so many missed opportunities in rewarding players for completing feats, as well as Achievements, in the game. For example, the Fallen Balthazar outfit should have been a reward for defeating Balthazar without Sohothin instead of locked behind a Black Lion Chest. I dropped a bundle of keys to get that skin, and didn't get it; and yes I am regretting wasting my money on BLC keys . . . completing "Reins of the Raptor" could have rewarded a Raptor skin with 4 dye channels . . . but in the end, we are just left with achievements that give us between 1 to 5 points that adds up to nothing; not even enough to get us over the hump for an Achievement Chest.

    Its even worse that we are still dealing with diminishing rewards, and have the risk of our accounts being suspended or banned for grinding/farming for materials and gold. Sucks working towards Legendaries, ascended gear, and pretty much everything that is cool looking that is a material sink, while combating the stated risk and diminishing rewards, along with RNG.

    Hopefully devs see this comment and take a step back and look how broken their game is in the aspect of being "rewarding." Still love Guild Wars 2 in the end despite its set backs in terms of rewards and the gem store. I play it with my wife, and we are having a blast exploring Elona, as well as the rest of what we currently have in Tyria.

    Wow, I totally agree with this. I can already see myself looking at someone and saying to myself, "Wow he got the fallen Balthazar outfit, he must have defeated him without Sohothin! What a feat!" But now when I look at someone, all I can think is "He paid $10 for that." It really takes away from that air of wonder in a game.

  • Neva Eilhart.5347Neva Eilhart.5347 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    Just wanted to clarify something and to remind folks of an important fact after reading 43 pages of protests against lootboxes :

    What ANET proposes here with mount skins IS NOT what other games referenced in this thread are proposing (Shadow of War, BF2 to name a few). I can't stress that enough.
    The huge difference being those games are proposing lootboxes containing PROGRESSION ITEMS inside. ANET only gives you cosmetics, as they already have in previous RNG boxes (on a different scale, I'll give you that).
    If you feel truly disgusted by this, then you should feel EVEN WORSE for those single-player games (which don't have the maintenance cost and update necessity of an MMORPG) forcing you into buying RNG boxes to prevent hours of boring farming. Because where ANET sells only cosmetics, those single player games are now entirely designed around tricking you into buying those boxes, by fixing impossible farming objectives in-game or whatever. Those boxes are necessary because otherwise you can't progress in the game. Here in GW2, as lame as it sounds, if you don't want to buy those mount skins for whatever reason , you don't buy it. You can still finish the game and enjoy the Pvp without being two-shot by folks you have bought hundreds of boxes.

    So drop your pitchforks for a bit about that, because ANET is definitely not the worse company around these days. Reminder, they are developing a subscription free MMO, not a single player game with small server maintenance costs.

    And I don't think the whole "you can't earn it through gameplay" is relevant because of the gold into gems thing. Yes, you can eventually convert enough gold into gems to buy yourself a mount skin, by just playing the game the way you want.

    Now back to those mount skins, I think the main issue here is that people should be able to buy the skin they want. Even if you sell it for a higher price tag, which would be fine in that particular case. ANET has already been doing that with gliders for one year (which are selling at a higher price : up to 600 gems for a specific glider, 400 for a random mount). Take WoW for example, you already pay a 13$/month subscription, yet you have a cash shop full of cosmetics items, with mount skins you can buy for 20$. People are buying it because they know what skin they're going to get, even though it's already overpriced for a subscription based MMO.

  • Draco.5014Draco.5014 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    Imagine walking into a real store. You find the perfect running shoes of the brand and look you want. Instead of paying and get the what you pay for, the store gives you a random pair of shoes (high heal pink ones). They say "If you want that particular pair of shoes you will have to gamble. If you want them cheaper, you can pay for 30 pair of shoes and you MIGHT get the shoes you want. You will get a discount per pair. Another option is that you pay for 5 pairs and get the shoes you want. But not today. Sometime in the next coming 30-60 weeks. Maybe"

    Why would Anet, or any other greedy MMORPG, think that it's a great way to treat their customers? If they don't expect to be treated like this in a normal store, they shouldn't do it to us.

    I work for my money and i never gamble. Why would i start to gamble with something that isn't even real but purely cosmetic in a virtual world?

  • A random mount skin for 400 gems is not an acceptable investment. I like some of the skins, absolutely. But I will not leave it to chance that I will get what I want when I am spending gems,
    (which let's be honest, probably came from real world money). I don't want to gamble on skins. I want to be able to feel accomplished when I acquire a skin, an item, a feature. You can spend money and feel this way, because you get the item and you're left feeling secure in your choice. But you cannot get that with an RNG unlock. If you have expectations to get something you want, you have a higher chance of being disappointed and as a result you move away from what makes you feel this way.

    GW2 has made me feel this way for a while. Adding more for me to spend on, and less to play, earn, and enjoy, is only making matters worse.

    About the Warhound. A single mount skin for 2,000 gems. While I truly do understand the time to create, from concept to finaling - and I do notice how different the skin is from the Jackal's base form that it wouldn't be as easy as retexturing. I can't accept this price. With complete honesty, 1000 is barely cceptable. It's on par with outfits but has other cosmetic functions that surpass an outfit. This is the high end that as a consumer I'd be willing to accept.

    If it was a different mount, with new attacks, new movement, I'd pay 2,000 gems.

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    And as the rage continues, that person that drops the money makes up for ten of the people taking the time to comment on this thread.

    Ah yes, and those folks who claim their gambling addition suddenly -reawakened-. Hm, is that so? All of these examples and complaints coming out of the woodwork now.

    Let's face it. You are gonna cry loud enough, Anet is going to give in, and you will still be paying 10 or 20 dollars more because you are 'satisfied'. As long as the RNG goes poof, everyone will be cooing and all of this hassle goes away.

    And here we have almost struggling modes like PVP and WvW, trying to get some sort of response, but no, you guys rather scream about cash than the ACTUAL gameplay that all of you could be playing.

    Dungeons, tune-ups, quality of life changes across all modes. You wish to cry about the #Mounts. I am honestly baffled that people would cry more about this, then trying to improve the game overall.

    Sad, sad and dark days. Anet, I hope you use this money to improve what you already have implemented instead of buying into the crapstorm and pitchforks people are trying to get from this 15 minutes of fame.

  • Mattiva.4639Mattiva.4639 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    I thought that 400 gems was very reasonable price for mount skin, but it would be much better, if you could at least choose what mount type skin you would like to get. Because i really don't have use for two new raptor skins at the same time

  • crazyhusky.2985crazyhusky.2985 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    Hey Arena net,
    Randomised loot is generally a bad thing. Turn back while you still can.

    At this current time, I only want one of the new mount skins, which means that I only have a 1/30 chance to pull it out of the contract. (since there are 30 new skins)
    I just want to straight up buy it like the rest of my skins. I think it is rather awful the way this was done.

    If I could pick the mount then get a randomized skin for that mount only it wouldn't be as bad, but preferabley just choosing the skin for the mount would be better.

    Knowing my luck I'll take more then 1 try the for the springer skin I want that and i'll end up get skins for other mounts before I get one for springer, and even then I know it won't be the right skin that I want, or other case will get lots of skins for 1 mount, since I only can have 1 skin active, it makes it pointless to have a lot of skins if you know you won't use, meaning I've just wasted my money. Perhaps money could have used/spent on different items.

    It could take 1 try it (if I am super lucky) or could take 17 tries or 24 tries to get the one skin I want.
    so at mininum, it'll take 400 gems, if i am unlucky it'll 6800 - 10,200 gems (£85 - £110 gbp) to get one skin, which is awful.
    Like me, a lot of people don't have much money to be burning through to get one cosmic skin.
    It wouldn't be so bad but after a while you're going to add more mount skins to the ones that are there which means it's going to be very hard or extermely COSTLY to get the thing we want.
    To add insult to injury I can't sell the skins I don't want on the Trading post or just buy the skin I want on the trading post either.
    Which means I'm just stuck with something random that I paid for THAT I DON'T WANT!! After awhile this might actually make players not purchase the item as nobody wants to be stuck with something they don't want, or they feel like there is no chance of them getting that item that they want, so they won't try.

    This random paid loot system wasn't a nice thing to throw at players (especially long term ones),
    You NEED to make alternate way that we can get the skins that we want WITHOUT the randomization.
    You can keep this randomization thing, BUT offer the mount skins on the store, like normal as well, as an alternate way of getting/purchasing the mount skins right away.
    Having the option to grab what we want, is what we need.

  • Many players(myself included) would happily buy 1 if not 2 of the skins for each mount if it was choice based hell I'd even pay more gems per skin if u changed it to choice of which one. Make it a multi ticket thing instead like black lion tickets. 1 ticket for reskins 2 for the model+reskin and 3 for the particle effects re adjust the price to 250-300 per ticket and Im willing to bet it would please most people seeing as other games regularly charge 10-30 per skin.

  • @PopeUrban.2578 said:
    I've been saying the same thing about black lion chests for quite a while. Hilariously nobody cared about the exploitative real money RNG until it walled off something they actually wanted and they had to pay for it themselves in stead of getting some other anonymous player to do it for them.

    Truth be told, I've steered clear from the Black Lion Chests because that had alarm bells all over. Sure, I would get a surprise key now and then via drop or after a story step, but I wouldn't spend money on RNG like that. I saw exclusive special skins that I liked in those boxes, and just faced the fact that I couldn't have them and moved on. I honestly don't understand those that do buy Black Lion Chest keys in a dogged attempt to get that one item. It is bad, and maybe I was naive to think that people couldn't possibly cave and throw tons of money at Black Lion Keys simply because I wasn't doing the same.

    I guess I just didn't come to the forums and say anything about the fact I couldn't get skins I wanted cos they were gated behind RNG, but I honestly didn't feel it was important enough. Maybe I should have? I don't know.

    I've made my statement about the mounts though, but when I look at it, I am just a bit disappointed - it will pass and I will move on. At the end of the day, my opinion / wants / needs are just a drop in that very vast ocean, and I have been reminded of that with things far more important to me than exclusive gliders in a Black Lion Chest.

    (On a side note: my last line took things to a very dark place I realised. O_o After living the past couple of years fighting to have your voice heard over some big issues and being told you're just fussing or a minority so who cares, speaking about what I think about mount skin RNG and black lion chests feels so small... :'( I think I need a hug... )

  • It seems the playerbase is very passionate about this issue.

    It's a perfect example of how this forum desperately needs the up/down arrows on Dev posts, as each time a forum-user walks away and comes back to this thread, they must scroll through every page to see if there are any new Dev posts. I'm afraid I don't trust the carousel to show (or keep) every Dev post, and the Dev Tracker is useless.

  • Kapax.3801Kapax.3801 Member ✭✭✭

    At the end is there any official news from anet? or are you still reading feedback? :/
    I ask because the days pass and there are people who already spent money on this.

  • Distillia.9834Distillia.9834 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    And here we have almost struggling modes like PVP and WvW, trying to get some sort of response, but no, you guys rather scream about cash than the ACTUAL gameplay that all of you could be playing.

    Dungeons, tune-ups, quality of life changes across all modes. You wish to cry about the #Mounts. I am honestly baffled that people would cry more about this, then trying to improve the game overall.

    To fix these areas they will need to spend time coming up with a plan to bring players back to these areas. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of incentive for people to play PvP or WvW anymore, so what you have now is a community of people who truly enjoy the game mode (leaning more on my WvW love here).

    Dungeons, I used to do a daily dungeon run of all the dungeons. I have zero reason to do a dungeon again except for nostalgia. The only thing that would bring me back to them is CONTENT.

    Only content can swing the player base. And a lot of the content players enjoy are cosmetic. Which a very large pile of it exists inside of the gemstore, rather than through gameplay.

    Anyway, the gripes you seem to have have nothing to do with this thread, and should probably be taken elsewhere since it seems your contribution was only to complain that other people are complaining about what you feel is the wrong area of the game to complain about.

  • I bought two certificates because I happened to have $10 to spend, but I won't be buying more. If I could choose which skin I wanted I would, and if I could choose which mount I wanted a random skin for I might, but I can't excuse the potential expense of a totally randomized skin when I only use two mounts on a regular basis and currently have no intention of buying the griffon.

  • 400g for a random chance feels incredibly predatory and disappointing, as a lot of people have said, especially since there's a chance to get skins for mounts you don't have. This is not such an issue with the three main mounts which are easy enough to obtain, but the griffon is a lot of gold and work to get, and many people may not have had time to complete the quest in time (myself included!

    The skins are beautiful, but I don't understand why they weren't released in smaller batches where you can choose exactly what you want, much like the glider skins. Releasing all 30 at once in an RNG just feels like further encouragement to make people spend more as their chances of getting the skin they want are massively low. I felt a similar twinge of worry about the gambling direction the game is taking when the Black Lion Chests were updated to usually only have two BL store item slots, and the new "fixed" item slot, and when keys became less and less accessible through means other than paying with gems (admittedly though at least there ARE options to get the keys outside of gems from PvP, story and random drops etc.)

    My suggestion would be if it really must be RNG based, make the contracts cheaper and allow people to sell them in the trading post (much like exclusive dyes) so it's fairer and opens up the skins to more of the community, otherwise have the contracts give you the choice of skins you want, so you don't end up with a skin for a mount you don't own and will have to do a lot of work to get, as in that case it's essentially paying $5 for a completely useless item.

    Thank you for reaching out though.

  • I'm going to come in with an unpopular opinion and maybe I'll get harassed over in game mail like the last time I posted on the forums! Looking forward to it! Sarcasm is great.

    But honestly, I don't mind this because I played games like FFXIV where you pay a subscription and then farm trials for a chance that RNG will favour you and give you the rare mount that everyone in an 8 man party wants. This doesn't bug me, and while I can kind of understand why people are whining over not getting the exact mount skin they want, at least I am guaranteed SOMETHING for my money. This isn't a case where I take a gamble and get absolutely nothing in return for it. You don't even have to pay with a credit card for gems and it's not as difficult to get gold in game as it was 5 years ago so I honestly can't bring myself to complain about this.

    Still, if you're that concerned about the amount of whiners among the playerbase, maybe putting in the option for them to pay a tiny bit more to get the skin they want guaranteed will be a good enough compromise to help ease the sounds of public outcry over an item in a game.

    unpopularopinion

  • (On a side note: my last line took things to a very dark place I realised. O_o After living the past couple of years fighting to have your voice heard over some big issues and being told you're just fussing or a minority so who cares, speaking about what I think about mount skin RNG and black lion chests feels so small... :'( I think I need a hug... )

    hugs

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