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  • @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    Not supporting the guilds for kicking people as I wouldn't like myself to get kicked from one (I was kicked from one once because I was inactive for like 3 months... which was pretty much when I got in the guild... played a bit... wasn't around for Halloween or the rest of the year until January and was kicked. I did get back into the same guild recently, though).
    But I can also see why they're doing. Once again, not supporting the kicking, but I can see them doing it as, "I don't want people associated with ruining this game for everyone by being selfish and buying into this scheme which down the line will not only hurt us but those that bought into it as they will do even worse practices down the line to just see how far down the hole they can go until the community as a whole goes down. And if that's the case, get the hell out of my Guild!"

    Like, yeah, it's kinda bad and somewhat wrong, but I can understand the reasoning why. I don't think it's hurting their cause either though.
    In fact, it looks kind of back on Arenanet's part I would say.
    I'm considered a newbie to this game with how long I've been playing, but from the little time I've been on? From the thousands of random people I've bumped into? I don't think even 10% of my encounters online in this game been bad.

    People been caring, helpful, giving advice, porting people, making HP trains, helping people with missions or quests or reviving or whatever. The community as a whole (to each other) been wonderful.
    The only time I saw filth is when I go into the PvP lobby when I'm going for PvP Kills for the daily or the few times I've been in WvW and... yeah... but I will blame PvP as a whole for that as I usually consider PvP not nice in general as they're competing with everyone but their mother it seems.
    EITHER WAY, THOUGH.... if this whole situation is kind of making conflict start happening within the game between players, while yes it's the kicker's fault... I'm still going to have to blame Arenanet partially too.
    None of any of this would happen. Not the kicking, not these topics, not the merging, not the videos and backlash and Jim Sterling and blah blah blah if the RNG was never put in any of this at all.
    People ARE looking at that Mecha Ram as "That's the price...?" But no one is pissed at it. They think it's expensive but see no problem with it. They buy it or don't, but this RNG kind of made people in GW2 on edge. That's not good.

  • DeadlySynz.3471DeadlySynz.3471 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    I personally have little to no interest in mount skins. I may have spent 400 gems on 1 or 2 if they appealed to me, but certainly wouldn't spend 400 gems on something random, that's just idiotic.

    So now we're at 61 pages and counting, and even if I had the time to sift through all the messages, somehow I don't think I'm going to find 1 post in here that says something like "Wow Anet, this was such a good idea! I'm glad you put random skins in the gem store behind 400 gems" or "Having random skins behind 400 gems is a much better idea than having a choice"

    Anet has proven in the past that they basically make changes when:

    A ) Nobody ever asked for them
    B ) Maybe a small % of whiny players asked for on the forums

    But more importantly: Has been quick to jump the gun to make additional changes based on a small amount of whiny players that ask for them, even when the change was a horrendous idea.

    So based on this, it's safe to assume Anet will be reversing this decision on the gem store to make all the mount skins purchasable directly because frankly, it's not a small amount of players whining about it this time, we have a very large amount. So, when are we expecting the change..

  • Sylv.5324Sylv.5324 Member ✭✭✭

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    You can buy them on the TP. Being able to do the same with these skins might have averted a lot of backlash.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    You can buy them on the TP. Being able to do the same with these skins might have averted a lot of backlash.

    A rare skin would have been 1k+, the gem equivalent of... 5 mounts.
    Don't get blinded by this gold/gem thing.

    Also being able to sell means no more guaranteed new skin... making it worse actually.

  • @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    You can buy them on the TP. Being able to do the same with these skins might have averted a lot of backlash.

    A rare skin would have been 1k+, the gem equivalent of... 5 mounts.
    Don't get blinded by this gold/gem thing.

    Also being able to sell means no more guaranteed new skin... making it worse actually.

    Which goes back go the whole argument of "We should've been able to buy the ones we wanted in the 1st place".

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Well that's a disgusting behaviour. And just when I thought my opinion of some people couldn't get any lower.

  • Fire X.5184Fire X.5184 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

    Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

    Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".
    My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

    People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.
    No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?
    What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?
    What do you of ecto gambling?
    What do you do of BLC keys?
    What do you of RNG loot in general?

    EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.
    And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

    So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

    You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.
    Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

    I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

    Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.
    Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

    Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.
    If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.
    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

    I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

    Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?
    Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

    Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

    Well I am sorry you have a gambling problem but let me be clear. The guild kicking I don't like but the party kicking like many have been saying, some people don't like to play with people who ruin the game for others. I have seen many players in LA saying they don't care what there doing is good or bad for the game so in term why should I or anyone else care if they get kicked from a party.

    Guild is one thing but party, there are more fish in the sea as they say. All this mentality of "I don't care I get skins now" is telling anet "hey guys they love this new system let's keep doing it". What is going to happen when the next RNG loot boxes is added? And the next one? And the next one? It will spiral out of control and who will suffer from this? People who have gambling problems and people like myself who love the cosmetics they make and it's all thanks to the people who told me today "I don't care".

  • Zero Day.2594Zero Day.2594 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Palador.2170 said:
    ...
    It also means that they don't care all that much about the impact of their choices on other players, or they simply don't have the best judgement. Hardly something you want in a teammate, right? It's like kicking people that refuse to have correct gear for a raid or high level fractal because they're okay with everyone else on the team taking on more of a burden due to them.

    Now, with all THAT said... bad behavior is bad behavior. Being a kitten is being a kitten. Don't be a badly behaved kitten.
    (We have real kittens for that, and I can guarantee they're cuter.)

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

    Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

    Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".
    My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

    People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.
    No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?
    What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?
    What do you of ecto gambling?
    What do you do of BLC keys?
    What do you of RNG loot in general?

    EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.
    And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

    So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

    You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.
    Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

    I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

    Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.
    Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

    Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.
    If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.
    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

    I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

    Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?
    Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

    Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

    The bigger the kitten show gets... the better. Believe me, it's getting somewhere.

    (Also recall the slip-ups that ANet has made in the past...)

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayumi Spender.1082 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Sylv.5324 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    You can buy them on the TP. Being able to do the same with these skins might have averted a lot of backlash.

    A rare skin would have been 1k+, the gem equivalent of... 5 mounts.
    Don't get blinded by this gold/gem thing.

    Also being able to sell means no more guaranteed new skin... making it worse actually.

    Which goes back go the whole argument of "We should've been able to buy the ones we wanted in the 1st place".

    Not denying that at all. I do think the way they sell outfits and gliders is good enough.
    Only that this current system, while perfectible, isn't nearly as bad as people want to believe. And that it's certainly over reacting and counter productive to attack other players and kick them and whatever.

    It's like if you want to go against RNG premiums in general fine, that's great! but do it right, BL chests are the real lootboxes, seasonal account bound items, and mount skins. And realize that ecto gambling uses gold and people buy gems to turn into gold to play the ecto gambling.
    ... But don't just blame other players for buying RNG stuff while having spent years being ok with them. If nobody was buying RNG stuff, there wouldn't be any in TP to buy for anyone.

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Palador.2170 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.

    That depends on your point of view.

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    There's a saying I've loved from the first time I read it. "No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood." Everyone that buys into this is in part responsible for it.

    It also means that they don't care all that much about the impact of their choices on other players, or they simply don't have the best judgement. Hardly something you want in a teammate, right? It's like kicking people that refuse to have correct gear for a raid or high level fractal because they're okay with everyone else on the team taking on more of a burden due to them.

    Now, with all THAT said... bad behavior is bad behavior. Being a kitten is being a kitten. Don't be a badly behaved kitten.
    (We have real kittens for that, and I can guarantee they're cuter.)

    The thing is, with statements like

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    you're making unsupported assertions based on your opinion. It is your opinion that it is bad for the playerbase. An opinion that I not only don't share, but feel is laughably obtuse.

    And if you're kicking people from parties/guilds because they don't share your opinions that's like... Trump levels of wrong.

  • Fire X.5184Fire X.5184 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Palador.2170 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.

    That depends on your point of view.

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    There's a saying I've loved from the first time I read it. "No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood." Everyone that buys into this is in part responsible for it.

    It also means that they don't care all that much about the impact of their choices on other players, or they simply don't have the best judgement. Hardly something you want in a teammate, right? It's like kicking people that refuse to have correct gear for a raid or high level fractal because they're okay with everyone else on the team taking on more of a burden due to them.

    Now, with all THAT said... bad behavior is bad behavior. Being a kitten is being a kitten. Don't be a badly behaved kitten.
    (We have real kittens for that, and I can guarantee they're cuter.)

    The thing is, with statements like

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    you're making unsupported assertions based on your opinion. It is your opinion that it is bad for the playerbase. An opinion that I not only don't share, but feel is laughably obtuse.

    And if you're kicking people from parties/guilds because they don't share your opinions that's like... Trump levels of wrong.

    And adding to the fire aka paying anet for a bad system does nothing to help the game. And really...really...you had to put trump into this... >.<

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

    Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

    Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".
    My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

    People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.
    No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?
    What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?
    What do you of ecto gambling?
    What do you do of BLC keys?
    What do you of RNG loot in general?

    EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.
    And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

    So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

    You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.
    Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

    I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

    Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.
    Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

    Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.
    If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.
    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

    I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

    Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?
    Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

    Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

    Well I am sorry you have a gambling problem but let me be clear. The guild kicking I don't like but the party kicking like many have been saying, some people don't like to play with people who ruin the game for others. I have seen many players in LA saying they don't care what there doing is good or bad for the game so in term why should I or anyone else care if they get kicked from a party.

    Guild is one thing but party, there are more fish in the sea as they say. All this mentality of "I don't care I get skins now" is telling anet "hey guys they love this new system let's keep doing it". What is going to happen when the next RNG loot boxes is added? And the next one? And the next one? It will spiral out of control and who will suffer from this? People who have gambling problems and people like myself who love the cosmetics they make and it's all thanks to the people who told me today "I don't care".

    Well, if you can successfully delude yourself into thinking that by buying mount skins those people are ruining the game for others and are wrong to do so but your choice to ostracise them based on their gem purchases isn't ruining the game for others and you are right to do so... assuming this isn't just attention-seeking idiocy you're spouting, then I really think you would benefit from some self-reflection.

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Palador.2170 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.

    That depends on your point of view.

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    There's a saying I've loved from the first time I read it. "No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood." Everyone that buys into this is in part responsible for it.

    It also means that they don't care all that much about the impact of their choices on other players, or they simply don't have the best judgement. Hardly something you want in a teammate, right? It's like kicking people that refuse to have correct gear for a raid or high level fractal because they're okay with everyone else on the team taking on more of a burden due to them.

    Now, with all THAT said... bad behavior is bad behavior. Being a kitten is being a kitten. Don't be a badly behaved kitten.
    (We have real kittens for that, and I can guarantee they're cuter.)

    The thing is, with statements like

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    you're making unsupported assertions based on your opinion. It is your opinion that it is bad for the playerbase. An opinion that I not only don't share, but feel is laughably obtuse.

    And if you're kicking people from parties/guilds because they don't share your opinions that's like... Trump levels of wrong.

    And adding to the fire aka paying anet for a bad system does nothing to help the game. And really...really...you had to put trump into this... >.<

    What can I say, I thought the most bafflingly ridiculous thing I'd hear all week had come out of his mouth, but you managed to... trump him. =P

  • @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Palador.2170 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.

    That depends on your point of view.

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    There's a saying I've loved from the first time I read it. "No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood." Everyone that buys into this is in part responsible for it.

    It also means that they don't care all that much about the impact of their choices on other players, or they simply don't have the best judgement. Hardly something you want in a teammate, right? It's like kicking people that refuse to have correct gear for a raid or high level fractal because they're okay with everyone else on the team taking on more of a burden due to them.

    Now, with all THAT said... bad behavior is bad behavior. Being a kitten is being a kitten. Don't be a badly behaved kitten.
    (We have real kittens for that, and I can guarantee they're cuter.)

    The thing is, with statements like

    Every person that buys into this is yet another reason for ANet to not only keep it, but do it again. This is bad for the playerbase. Hurting the playerbase hurts the game in the long run.

    you're making unsupported assertions based on your opinion. It is your opinion that it is bad for the playerbase. An opinion that I not only don't share, but feel is laughably obtuse.

    And if you're kicking people from parties/guilds because they don't share your opinions that's like... Trump levels of wrong.

    And adding to the fire aka paying anet for a bad system does nothing to help the game. And really...really...you had to put trump into this... >.<

    What can I say, I thought the most bafflingly ridiculous thing I'd hear all week had come out of his mouth, but you managed to... trump him. =P

    I can only give you props for the pun and that's it

  • I doubt they're reading this for suggestions but... maybe change the implementation so that like every 3rd ticket you buy you get to choose the mount rather than RNG. That way people would still buy multiple skins at a time (which is what they really wanted when they designed this system) but at least SOME of the RNG would be mitigated.

    As a side note, I'm really just kind of done with GW2 if they don't change this. You can say I'm overreacting all you want but I was just really looking forward to getting mount skins. I got the Ultimate edition just so that I would have some gems to get mounts, naively thinking that it would be similar to how you get gliders. I only have about 2000 gems left (spent some on inventory/bank/character slots) thinking it would be enough. Well... it would get me 5 skins which means I'd have a1/6 chance of getting a specific which is ridiculous. I'm trying here, but I just can't not feel a bit betrayed by all of this.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

    Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

    Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".
    My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

    People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.
    No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?
    What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?
    What do you of ecto gambling?
    What do you do of BLC keys?
    What do you of RNG loot in general?

    EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.
    And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

    So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

    You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.
    Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

    I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

    Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.
    Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

    Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.
    If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.
    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

    I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

    Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?
    Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

    Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

    Well I am sorry you have a gambling problem but let me be clear. The guild kicking I don't like but the party kicking like many have been saying, some people don't like to play with people who ruin the game for others. I have seen many players in LA saying they don't care what there doing is good or bad for the game so in term why should I or anyone else care if they get kicked from a party.

    Guild is one thing but party, there are more fish in the sea as they say. All this mentality of "I don't care I get skins now" is telling anet "hey guys they love this new system let's keep doing it". What is going to happen when the next RNG loot boxes is added? And the next one? And the next one? It will spiral out of control and who will suffer from this? People who have gambling problems and people like myself who love the cosmetics they make and it's all thanks to the people who told me today "I don't care".

    I don't think many people are telling you they don't care. I do care. I wish my casual friend could get back in game, get the mount he wants and have fun with it. I get it.
    What I don't get, nor accept, is the total overreaction on this particular topic.
    We HAVE to be honest here, it's less about the fact it's a new RNG and more about the fact that this time around, really a LOT more people want these skins for many reasons (cause mounts are cooler than gliders, cause it's really new, cause there's no alt skin in game) etc. And lots of these "people" aren't used to gamble for what they want, like some of us are. This doesn't mean they get to step in and call Anet (and other players) names.

    I do support every person in this thread coming up with ideas to make this system better - while still making it a win for Anet. The solution HAS to be a win for Anet too, because it's in our interest as players to have a game that last for a long time.
    There were quite a few interesting solutions, and I'm sure they're looking at it right now.
    But let's be honest, involving infamous youtubers that will compare this to EA/Activision level of BS was taking it too far. Kicking people is taking it too far. The top 1 priority for Anet will be to make money, it's how it is and we have to accept it, now we just need to convince them that the way for them to make more money is by trusting all these people who calmly said they would support anet if they drop RNG... and not fighting each other.
    It needs to deescalate or everyone will lose.

  • Do we really need to put political stuff into this? Like, seriously?
    There's reasons why the brilliant/smart people in the media never say what part of any political party they're for or against... it causes even MORE conflict.

  • I urge everyone to watch WP’s video on the issue. Logic, integrity and rationality in the midst of this embarrassingly dramatic time is needed. Shame on the gw2 community for pushing a nasty narrative against anet devs, fellow players etc.

  • I'm not sure what good this will do, but here are my thoughts on how to address the issues people have with this.

    1. Improving In-Game Mounts: Firstly, add more dye channels to existing mounts as a short-term solution, please. This would make lots of people happy. Secondly, the next few skins that you guys create should be added to content in the game. It would be easy to take it from the 30-pack, but that doesn't seem fair to someone who bought a ticket and earned it that way with Gems/gold when it could be earned in-game.
    2. Add Specific Mounts to the TP: I can't imagine seeing all 30 mounts as specific purchases from the Gem Store at once, but I can see Limited-Time offers popping up with a few of the more fancy mounts. This suggestion is designed to give people the option to periodically have access to mounts from the 30-mount pack as single purchases. (The reason I keep on suggesting the specific purchases be limited-time is so that there is still some value left in the 30-pack.)
    3. Add more 5-mount packs from the 30-mount selection. It's too big for some of us. I thought the Spooky Mount pack was fine in size and variety. This wouldn't be a lottery version but it would be purchasing a 5-pack for a set amount of gems. It could also be rotated in the Gem Store and be limited-time.
    4. Add some of the skins (the simpler ones maybe) from the pack into Black Lion Chests as items we can sell on the Trading Post.
    5. It goes without saying that a pack as big as the 30-pack shouldn't be implimented again.

    I'd probably get a few of the mounts of it had these other options for acquiring them. I also think adding more dye channels as well as a few mount skins to the base game (only 1 per mount) would make lots of people happy, especially if they were something to work towards.

  • @Chickenooble.5014
    That screen shot was actually my comment. Please let people know before hand if you're going to screen cap and post it somewhere else ♡
    But I'm glad my post on Facebook helped people!

  • Rashagar.8349Rashagar.8349 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

    Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

    Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".
    My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

    People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.
    No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?
    What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?
    What do you of ecto gambling?
    What do you do of BLC keys?
    What do you of RNG loot in general?

    EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.
    And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

    So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

    You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.
    Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

    I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

    Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.
    Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

    Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.
    If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.
    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

    I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

    Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?
    Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

    Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

    Well I am sorry you have a gambling problem but let me be clear. The guild kicking I don't like but the party kicking like many have been saying, some people don't like to play with people who ruin the game for others. I have seen many players in LA saying they don't care what there doing is good or bad for the game so in term why should I or anyone else care if they get kicked from a party.

    Guild is one thing but party, there are more fish in the sea as they say. All this mentality of "I don't care I get skins now" is telling anet "hey guys they love this new system let's keep doing it". What is going to happen when the next RNG loot boxes is added? And the next one? And the next one? It will spiral out of control and who will suffer from this? People who have gambling problems and people like myself who love the cosmetics they make and it's all thanks to the people who told me today "I don't care".

    Well, if you can successfully delude yourself into thinking that by buying mount skins those people are ruining the game for others and are wrong to do so but your choice to ostracise them based on their gem purchases isn't ruining the game for others and you are right to do so... assuming this isn't just attention-seeking idiocy you're spouting, then I really think you would benefit from some self-reflection.

    You don't know how loot boxes work do you....I mean it's not like EA and Activision have had a big controversy over this all ready...oh wait! But all sarcasm aside it is a slippery slope. First it's RNG boxes for skins for mounts, then its RNG boxes for out fits, then its RNG boxes for dye's...oh wait..they already have that...then it's RNG boxes for and dare I say it, gear.

    So when I and many other's feel buying the RNG loot boxes for skins will hurt gw2 you better believe it because we have seen it before and if you don't think it will hurt the game/community I implore you to look into the EA and activison controversy

    It's exactly because of their big recent controversies that I think that most of this "outrage" bullkitten is misplaced and coming from people who, quite honestly from their posts in this thread, don't know how loot boxes work.
    They're jumping on an outrage bandwagon because it feels nice, with no actual understanding of the underlying principles or the shades of grey, and a bullthick refusal to educate themselves when they could just instead rely on emotive diatribe, broad sweeping statements and the use of fashionable buzzwords.

  • Alimar.8760Alimar.8760 Member ✭✭✭

    @MailMail.6534 said:
    I urge everyone to watch WP’s video on the issue.

    This. I've made a few posts amidst this thread but when I watched WP's video a bunch of stuff I had discussed or mentioned in passing. Not necessarily in this thread but to people in general was mentioned. To have a reasonable discussion people need to fully comprehend things and understand where either side is coming from, and Wooden Potatoes puts a lot of that in perspective. I highly urge people to watch through the entire thing, and to not skip a second. He makes very good explanations and points for both sides allowing us as players to have a more informed and neutral opinion on the matter. One I happen to agree with in most cases.

  • @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Rashagar.8349 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:
    I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.
    Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

    You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

    Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

    Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".
    My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

    People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.
    No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?
    What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?
    What do you of ecto gambling?
    What do you do of BLC keys?
    What do you of RNG loot in general?

    EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.
    And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

    So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

    You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.
    Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Deihnyx.6318 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @Fire X.5184 said:

    @shale.1543 said:

    @SmirkDog.3160 said:
    Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?

    There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

    I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

    Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

    Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

    Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

    Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

    I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

    Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.
    Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

    Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

    They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.
    If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.
    Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

    Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

    I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

    Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?
    Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

    Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

    Well I am sorry you have a gambling problem but let me be clear. The guild kicking I don't like but the party kicking like many have been saying, some people don't like to play with people who ruin the game for others. I have seen many players in LA saying they don't care what there doing is good or bad for the game so in term why should I or anyone else care if they get kicked from a party.

    Guild is one thing but party, there are more fish in the sea as they say. All this mentality of "I don't care I get skins now" is telling anet "hey guys they love this new system let's keep doing it". What is going to happen when the next RNG loot boxes is added? And the next one? And the next one? It will spiral out of control and who will suffer from this? People who have gambling problems and people like myself who love the cosmetics they make and it's all thanks to the people who told me today "I don't care".

    Well, if you can successfully delude yourself into thinking that by buying mount skins those people are ruining the game for others and are wrong to do so but your choice to ostracise them based on their gem purchases isn't ruining the game for others and you are right to do so... assuming this isn't just attention-seeking idiocy you're spouting, then I really think you would benefit from some self-reflection.

    You don't know how loot boxes work do you....I mean it's not like EA and Activision have had a big controversy over this all ready...oh wait! But all sarcasm aside it is a slippery slope. First it's RNG boxes for skins for mounts, then its RNG boxes for out fits, then its RNG boxes for dye's...oh wait..they already have that...then it's RNG boxes for and dare I say it, gear.

    So when I and many other's feel buying the RNG loot boxes for skins will hurt gw2 you better believe it because we have seen it before and if you don't think it will hurt the game/community I implore you to look into the EA and activison controversy

    It's exactly because of their big recent controversies that I think that most of this "outrage" bullkitten is misplaced and coming from people who, quite honestly from their posts in this thread, don't know how loot boxes work.
    They're jumping on an outrage bandwagon because it feels nice, with no actual understanding of the underlying principles or the shades of grey, and a bullthick refusal to educate themselves when they could just instead rely on emotive diatribe, broad sweeping statements and the use of fashionable buzzwords.

    It's because people had enough is all. But anyway i'm going to leave it at that, Have a good one.

  • Paying 5 dollars and getting something in return, is a huge improvement over the days all MMOs charged us 15$ a month to be able to play and not get anything for it. People seem to forget about subscription fees. I spent 50 - 70 bucks for a game then 15 bucks a month just to play it. I buy account upgrades to support a game I enjoy. People don't seem to grasp all the money that is needed to support the game make new content and pay all the salaries, hardware and software updates cost of upkeep and everything else involved.

  • Coulter.2315Coulter.2315 Member ✭✭✭

    Oh good, we're in the "eat each other" portion of the political movement, kicking people for buying items is insane. When you start purging people who you deem "harm society" you might worry that your education didn't take in the first half of the 20th century..

  • @Coulter.2315 said:
    Oh good, we're in the "eat each other" portion of the political movement, kicking people for buying items is insane. When you start purging people who you deem "harm society" you might worry that your education didn't take in the first half of the 20th century..

    Are you talking about the 1st half that when they think a certain group of people, just because of their race or where they come from, they placed them in isolation places as they deemed them a possible problem during the war(s)?
    If so, I have some family that dealt with that.

  • Fire X.5184Fire X.5184 Member ✭✭
    edited November 10, 2017

    Oh dang we are getting into RL territory here.

  • Sure I would appreciate if I could get what I want when I want it, but that's why patience is a virtue. Unlike just about every other game out there Anet made it possible to earn gold in game and use it to purchase gems most games I played don't give you that option. Save up some gold about 120 to get 400 gems by a ticket and enjoy a new mount skin. Or spend 15 bucks a month that WoW would charge to just play their game and get 3 skins and the satisfaction that you support a thing you enjoy playing.

  • Lexan.5930Lexan.5930 Member ✭✭✭

    RNG for a skin (what soemthing looks like not how it works) is totally fine. You can still get the mount. Having the plain jackle still lets you go through sand portals. The plain griffon can still fly and speed boost. A skin is nothing but cosmetic. 400 gems is the gold to gem trade and easy to get.

    This is totally fine. I think the skins are pretty awesome and want the artists to know that they did a great job on the coloring and effects.

    People need to get over themselves because skins only effect your ego, not your performance.

    FUNCTION OVER LOOKS!!!!

  • @Zero Day.2594 said:

    @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    WoodenPotatoes - MountGate

    And if any gets to the end - WP has a point...

    Vote with your wallet.

    Engage with those that have bought into various cash-shop systems.

    Realistically, we are to blame, because as he's saying, people are already running around with those damned skins... Personally, and this has been for awhile for me, in any game, when i see a player having something from a cash shop - i think "that's the kitten that's encouraging the publishers/game-companies to keep doing cash shops"

    I have no issue with the gem store as a whole. ANET has to make their profit one way or another. That means SOMEBODY is paying their salaries. As far as I am aware there are essentially three models: 1. 100% upfront where the players spend to buy content as it is released, usually in expansions or paid DLC or some combination of the two; 2. monthly subscription; or 3. cash store. ANET has blended options 1 & 3. If we take out #3 altogether then either we would be paying much more for the releases we get, or we would move to a subscription model. The cash store allows players to choose when and how much they want to sink into the game, which I think is honestly a great way to do things and I have been fairly consistently been buying gems for those things I thought were worth the money.

    However I do agree with you in part that the players who have already purchased these mount contracts are providing ANET tangible positive feedback that this decision was not problematic for all, only for a significant some of the player base. In part, we (as a whole) are indeed to blame for buying into it.

    I don't regret that I have bought gem cards, but I also won't be doing so again any time soon, and neither will any of the others in my family. That is us voting with my wallet. I see this as a predatory practice. Clearly while many in this thread agree with me, others who have posted do not all see it that way. I would like to think that those who made this decision at ANET did so with a clear conscience, without the avaricious intent some attribute to them. However ANET needs to recognize that even if they do not share the same ethics as some of their players, they are going to have to account for the fact that not only is there a differing opinion, but account for the fact that we feel passionately about it.

  • @TheFourthLegacy.9485 said:
    Yikes, more than 48 since release and still no response from Anet.

    As a lot of people have already said, this is pretty bad.
    The price of the skins is actually fine in my opinion (except the 2000 gems one). It's the RNG aspect of it that I don't like. I would happily pay money for the skins I actually like, because there are a few that are pretty neat, but I'm not going to spend money on this.

    I do hope Anet realises they should respond to this. Jim Sterling already made a video about this. If a bigger youtuber gets on this (like AngryJoe as someone suggested, who praised the game when it came out, but hates lootboxes), this game would be kitten.

    I agree. See if they make it that I can choose what skin I want then no problems here (other then 2000 gems is a bit much). It's the RNG hands down that is getting everyone upset. If there was no RNG loot boxes this hole outrage would never have happen.

  • The price of gemstore stuff, however high, is okay imo as long as 1) you know what you're paying for (not a random price - I want skin X - that's anywhere between 400 and 12000 gems); 2) there's no significantly cheaper close alternative already (lv80 booster = 2000 gems roughly equivalent to 79 exp scrolls and 5 gold)

  • Another thing that I appreciate about ANet is the constant FREE living world content unlike DCUO that charges for every dlc released. Or expansions that only comes out once a year and cost money but that's it for a year. The constant content makes me happy. I'm not one to burn through content so I enjoy the pace of new stuff. The loot boxes for mounts is fine cause the cost is low but hey just throw the adoption paper option in the BL chest so you can get a random option to loot one, so people can get that extra chance.

  • Deihnyx.6318Deihnyx.6318 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ocho.8630 said:
    Paying 5 dollars and getting something in return, is a huge improvement over the days all MMOs charged us 15$ a month to be able to play and not get anything for it. People seem to forget about subscription fees. I spent 50 - 70 bucks for a game then 15 bucks a month just to play it. I buy account upgrades to support a game I enjoy. People don't seem to grasp all the money that is needed to support the game make new content and pay all the salaries, hardware and software updates cost of upkeep and everything else involved.

    I don't forget them, but I certainly miss them, I still think subscription is way better on both ends. On the dev side because it's steady revenue and it actually gives an incentive for them to keep players in WITH ACTUAL CONTENT. And the second for the players because everything is IN THE GAME, gated behind grind or skill or whatever, but actual content.
    WoW has both, shame on them for that. But cash shop is the direct result of not having subscriptions and a cash shop must always reinvent itself to bring more revenues, hence the problem we're having.

  • @Ider.1276 said:
    So, I've been reading (and posting) in this thread for a while. And I've seen a lot of posts from people that are like:
    "I have bought some of mount lootboxes, didn't get what I want and got burnt, now I feel cheated by this system"
    or
    "I know that system is a predatory marketing practice, but couldn't hold myself and bought a bunch"

    Guys, if you really feel regret about buying any mount lootboxes, CONTACT SUPPORT AND DEMAND A REFUND. If you are truely against this lootbox fallacy, this is the only way to go. As long as you don't demand a refund, your wallet votes "YES" to lootboxes, no matter what you write in this thread.

    Hm...never thought about it that way till now...tip of the hat my good sir

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