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After some testing I am confused about where the 7% damage increase is applied? I did an auto attack on the dps golem with and without a facet activated and with and without this trait selected and the only difference I saw was the 2% increase when the trait is selected and comparing if a facet is activated or not. Am I missing something?

Thanks.

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Herald upkeeps count as 2% each, stacking. It's right in the patch notes.

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  • i got the 2% thing. I am asking about the 7% that is talked about in the patch notes and where exactly it is applied.

  • The 7% is applied on upkeep skill that are on the other Legends, for example Jallis' Hammers.

  • Lahmia.2193Lahmia.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Forced Persistence
    Deal increased damage while you have an active upkeep skill.
    Herald upkeep skills grant less damage but can be stacked.
    Damage increase: 7%
    Herald skill Damage increase: 2%

    How hard is that to follow?

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  • Tanskanen.5629Tanskanen.5629 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    Each of the glint legend upkeeps grant you a 2% damage increase (afaik the F2 ability included),
    while every other upkeep (shiro quickness, jalis hammers, etc.) give you a straight 7% damage increase.

  • Flauvious.6195Flauvious.6195 Member ✭✭✭

    7% damage increase is while you have either shiro quickness, jalis hammers, or ventari projectile dome active. For glint skills, since every skill is an upkeep, you get 2% per skill you have turned in. So if you just have one facet active, you get 2% damage increase. Since you can have 4 facets active at once you can get a max of 8% damage increase.

  • Or Mallyx. Which I quite like

  • Does this only work on power damage?

  • @orisci.6527 said:
    Does this only work on power damage?

    Seeing how anet loves their condis, it's most certainly not exclusive to power damage.

  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crayth.3276 said:

    @orisci.6527 said:
    Does this only work on power damage?

    Seeing how anet loves their condis, it's most certainly not exclusive to power damage.

    Skills that increase Condi Damage specifically state so in the tool tip, this is across the board, this does not state that so it most likely doesn’t.

  • I'm afraid to ask, becasue clearly it's an old post and everybody has it figured out and is so smart here, but let me try anyway:

    Should I see Forceful Persistence icon appear along other effects? Like Hardening Persistence or Steadfast Rejuvenation?
    Because when I activate any number of Facets, I can't get the Forceful Persistence to show up, nor to influence the stats shown on any of the atacks I have.
    At the same time both Hardening Persistence and Steadfast Rejuvenation appear, along with the number of stacks.

    Or is this Forceful Persistence working with all skills BUT Facets? then what are Herald's upkeep skills?

    I wish one day this game was not all about wiki and forums, but the actual well-described-in-game gameplay...

  • @wilku.9764 said:
    I'm afraid to ask, becasue clearly it's an old post and everybody has it figured out and is so smart here, but let me try anyway:

    Should I see Forceful Persistence icon appear along other effects? Like Hardening Persistence or Steadfast Rejuvenation?
    Because when I activate any number of Facets, I can't get the Forceful Persistence to show up, nor to influence the stats shown on any of the atacks I have.
    At the same time both Hardening Persistence and Steadfast Rejuvenation appear, along with the number of stacks.

    Or is this Forceful Persistence working with all skills BUT Facets? then what are Herald's upkeep skills?

    I wish one day this game was not all about wiki and forums, but the actual well-described-in-game gameplay...

    Forceful Persistence doesn’t have an icon for the buff bar. If you want to test the damage increase for yourself you can go to the training golem in the Aerodrome, give yourself the basic raid buffs like quickness/might/fury and do auto attack tests on the golem with and without any facets active. Unless there is a bug you’ll get higher numbers with facets active.

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @orisci.6527 said:
    Does this only work on power damage?

    yes, only power

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Forceful Persistence doesn’t have an icon for the buff bar. If you want to test the damage increase for yourself you can go to the training golem in the Aerodrome, give yourself the basic raid buffs like quickness/might/fury and do auto attack tests on the golem with and without any facets active. Unless there is a bug you’ll get higher numbers with facets active.

    Brings up a good QoL point :
    They should make all persistence skills show up as buffs on the Hotbar.

    If not for anything else, for clarity's sake.

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  • LucianTheAngelic.7054LucianTheAngelic.7054 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2021

    @Yasai.3549 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Forceful Persistence doesn’t have an icon for the buff bar. If you want to test the damage increase for yourself you can go to the training golem in the Aerodrome, give yourself the basic raid buffs like quickness/might/fury and do auto attack tests on the golem with and without any facets active. Unless there is a bug you’ll get higher numbers with facets active.

    Brings up a good QoL point :
    They should make all persistence skills show up as buffs on the Hotbar.

    If not for anything else, for clarity's sake.

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

    Tell Anet to fix their UI :p

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    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • @Yasai.3549 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

    Tell Anet to fix their UI :p

    Would love for that to happen, but I’m not too hopeful 😂

  • Virdo.1540Virdo.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Yasai.3549 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

    Tell Anet to fix their UI :p

    Would love for that to happen, but I’m not too hopeful 😂

    why dont u use the other group ui then? where u dont see other peoples hotbar

  • @Virdo.1540 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Yasai.3549 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

    Tell Anet to fix their UI :p

    Would love for that to happen, but I’m not too hopeful 😂

    why dont u use the other group ui then? where u dont see other peoples hotbar

    Which Ui would that be?

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Yasai.3549 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

    Tell Anet to fix their UI :p

    Would love for that to happen, but I’m not too hopeful 😂

    why dont u use the other group ui then? where u dont see other peoples hotbar

    Which Ui would that be?

    The grid, probably?

  • @Sobx.1758 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Virdo.1540 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    @Yasai.3549 said:

    @LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:

    Eh, the clutter is already insanely high on the hotbars I think that would be a bad change. Was literally in fractals yesterday with an FB that had his bar touching the middle of my screen from all the buffs

    Tell Anet to fix their UI :p

    Would love for that to happen, but I’m not too hopeful 😂

    why dont u use the other group ui then? where u dont see other peoples hotbar

    Which Ui would that be?

    The grid, probably?

    Naw I found what Virdo was talking about it’s the “simple party Ui” option which is the type of party Ui PvP has.

    Unfortunately it doesn’t really solve the issue because it only shows boons/condis and omits other important Information useful for some fractals