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Middle of the pack dps from both power and condi variants, reasonable build flex by swapping blood and soul reaping with reasonable tradeoffs (more damage vs more group and personal sustain)

The condi rotation isnt as fucked, you can ds then cast bip to get an instant transfer without worrying about being cleansed.

Necro is good now. Not broken, not in the dumpster.There are options that offer meaningful tradeoffs but dont HALVE your damage.

Necro is viable. Not speedclear meta, but certainly far from being a burden.This is the best Ive felt about playing necro since before heart of thorns

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@Substatic.6958 said:I guess it's all relative.

I come from games were "middle of the pack" only does 2-5% less dmg. Not 20-30% less.

https://dps.report/Dl7G-20171108-220749_sabhttps://dps.report/TaFr-20171108-200453_sloththere I am, literally in the middle of the pack. not top, but not lowest either.

give me some time and I can get a power reaper log as well.

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@Murdock.6547 said:

@Substatic.6958 said:I guess it's all relative.

I come from games were "middle of the pack" only does 2-5% less dmg. Not 20-30% less.

there I am, literally in the middle of the pack. not top, but not lowest either.

give me some time and I can get a power reaper log as well.

You are actually top dps here if you look at all dps, Sabatha is a really great fight for us with epi. Sadly, unless quantify unretires necro no one on this forum will care that on actual non speed clears we can do great dps. Luckily my experience in game is better than on the forums with my 2 guilds I raid with on scourge.

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@Murdock.6547 said:Necro is viable. Not speedclear meta, but certainly far from being a burden.

Thank you... Someone else notices this.This is a line of thinking players need to start noticing.. not judging a class on whether or not it can speed clear or not.. but whether its viable (I wouldn't be surprised if they need to also learn what viable means as well)

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@vicious.5683 said:Other classes can output same level of dps and Waaaaaay more support to your group. So, no, not viable yet.

Not to be rude, but you are absurd.Necromancer's strength is obliterating trash during boss fights. Epidemic breaks add phases by blinking them out of reality with 25 stacks of practically all the condis in the game.Back that up with the fact that necro can hit 100% condi duration with -all- condis (with all shades up, of course) and you have a recipe for a great and genuinely unique form of "support"

To clarify: You help the group by trivializing add mechanics. Something that would require a PS to rotate around the boss, a chrono to swap to focus, a DH to pull mobs, or a reaper even to GS 5 so that the entire group can cleave them... you can explode with a single button.Not to mention "adds" that cannot be pulled in and cleaved you can still deal with, such as with the pawns in MO.

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@Substatic.6958 said:I guess it's all relative.

I come from games were "middle of the pack" only does 2-5% less dmg. Not 20-30% less.

there I am, literally in the middle of the pack. not top, but not lowest either.

give me some time and I can get a power reaper log as well.

You are actually top dps here if you look at all dps, Sabatha is a really great fight for us with epi. Sadly, unless quantify unretires necro no one on this forum will care that on actual non speed clears we can do great dps. Luckily my experience in game is better than on the forums with my 2 guilds I raid with on scourge.

I was going purely by boss DPS. Of course cleave is going to be fantastic, but a lot of people don't look at cleave (even though that's one of necro's greatest strengths)

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I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

https://dps.report/7oSI-20171107-205035_mohttps://dps.report/ukQG-20171107-204541_cairnhttps://dps.report/lVbG-20171107-210517_samhttps://dps.report/eUkg-20171107-211721_vghttps://dps.report/pTX4-20171107-212916_gorsehttps://dps.report/6usz-20171107-214022_sabhttps://dps.report/ZVG5-20171107-214925_slothhttps://dps.report/eiJd-20171107-221117_matthttps://dps.report/XSB5-20171109-211418_deihttps://dps.report/hBwO-20171109-214347_xera

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@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

https://dps.report/7oSI-20171107-205035_mohttps://dps.report/ukQG-20171107-204541_cairnhttps://dps.report/lVbG-20171107-210517_samhttps://dps.report/eUkg-20171107-211721_vghttps://dps.report/pTX4-20171107-212916_gorsehttps://dps.report/6usz-20171107-214022_sabhttps://dps.report/ZVG5-20171107-214925_slothhttps://dps.report/eiJd-20171107-221117_matthttps://dps.report/XSB5-20171109-211418_deihttps://dps.report/hBwO-20171109-214347_xera

you're pretty good.here I am thinking my rotation is good considering the pressure of the fights, but apparently not that good.

ALSO AYY, SOMEONE ELSE WHO USES GUN COMP.

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@Murdock.6547 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

you're pretty good.here I am thinking my rotation is good considering the pressure of the fights, but apparently not that good.

ALSO AYY, SOMEONE ELSE WHO USES GUN COMP.

Thank you! I never considered myself good, just good enough, lol. I still need condi infusions, currently has power.

We just switched to that comp, because of the changes to Druid (had it solo might stacking for us), previously we would run mirror comp.

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Yeah, our group kind of accidentally discovered its power when we were fooling around on a cairn run. We had a healing tempest with mistfire wolf and conjured weapons, two p/p thieves, a power ps spellbreaker, and a rifle deadeye with no trinkets.We wanted to see how stupid we could be and still clear. But it turns out having a healer in a solo group means you can heal everyone incredibly well and not worry about subsquads eating up your heals.

We took it to matty and got further than we've gotten in any of our other training runs (of course not with the same class setups)

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@Murdock.6547 said:Yeah, our group kind of accidentally discovered its power when we were fooling around on a cairn run. We had a healing tempest with mistfire wolf and conjured weapons, two p/p thieves, a power ps spellbreaker, and a rifle deadeye with no trinkets.We wanted to see how stupid we could be and still clear. But it turns out having a healer in a solo group means you can heal everyone incredibly well and not worry about subsquads eating up your heals.

We took it to matty and got further than we've gotten in any of our other training runs (of course not with the same class setups)

Nice! Grats on getting further with Matt! When we are having trouble with Matt, we run 3 healers, 2 druids and 1 magi ele (tbf, now you can take the other druid and replace with a ventari healer or a scourge healer). Seems like over kill, but when you are wanting a kill, sometimes you go for safest strats you can!

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@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

https://dps.report/7oSI-20171107-205035_mohttps://dps.report/ukQG-20171107-204541_cairnhttps://dps.report/lVbG-20171107-210517_samhttps://dps.report/eUkg-20171107-211721_vghttps://dps.report/pTX4-20171107-212916_gorsehttps://dps.report/6usz-20171107-214022_sabhttps://dps.report/ZVG5-20171107-214925_slothhttps://dps.report/eiJd-20171107-221117_matthttps://dps.report/XSB5-20171109-211418_deihttps://dps.report/hBwO-20171109-214347_xera

Okay, but that is Scourge.. What about Reaper? Would you happen to have stats on that?

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@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

Okay, but that is Scourge.. What about Reaper? Would you happen to have stats on that?

I do not. I do not have a rotation or build that I am comfortable taking into raids with, atm. Are you wanting condi or power reaper? I can tell you that condi reaper is largely the same, just was nerfed, less whirl finishers from RS 4, as well as less poison generation.

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I agree, the DPS values of reaper may still be a little low, but scourge is great. I'd rather have a scourge in my pugs on virtually every fight. Epi makes things a joke and when you're in a pug, the less mechanics people can screw up on the better.

Benchmarking at 29k when most classes are 30 - 33k beyond weaver/mirage is far from bad and basically irrelevant outside of record times. In which case you stack mirage/weaver right now anyway XD

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@Josh.4016 said:You guys mind sharing your gear/specs/sigil/rune? It helps compare since things are kinda in limbo right now.

I have full Viper's stats through weapons, armor, and trinkets. I am using Rune of the Renegade and Sigil of malice in Scepter main hand and a geomancy sigil in the torch off hand of my swap (so I'm always scepter/torch and get the geo proc from weapon swapping). For the runes, you can use Renegade, Berserker, or 4 Nightmare 2 Trapper (Renegade is the better choice, but these will work just as well).

For my build:Curses - 2 1 3Soul Reaping - 1 2 3 (Can swap in Speed of Shadows instead of Unyielding Blast, if vuln uptime is good)Scourge - 2 2 2

My Heal and Utilities are: Sand Flare, Blood is Power, Trail of Anguish, Epidemic, Plaguelands. I will swap out Epidemic for Summon Shadow Fiend, for single target fights (Matt and Cairn, for example), this helps with maintaining Life Force. If I need Epidemic, and I'm still struggling with Life Force, I'll use Dessicate instead of Trail of Anguish.

I hope that this helps.

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I'm not happy, but I'm optimistic for two reasons:

  1. I like the direction Anet are taking the Scourge and Reaper concept; I could be happy if the numbers start to follow
  2. I like the indirect affirmation from Anet that spamming the forums with nonsense and rants is NOT the way to give good feedback or incite change. I hope some people use that time to reflect on what this means for them. It does just go to show that for anyone that thinks Anet isn't active on these forums and 'giving us feedback by replying to our threads' ... you couldn't be more wrong.
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@Fatalyz.7168 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

Okay, but that is Scourge.. What about Reaper? Would you happen to have stats on that?

I do not. I do not have a rotation or build that I am comfortable taking into raids with, atm. Are you wanting condi or power reaper? I can tell you that condi reaper is largely the same, just was nerfed, less whirl finishers from RS 4, as well as less poison generation.

I was wondering about Power Reaper since the last changes.Anyone tried power reaper in raids or have numbers / build??

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@Azzara Nectum.1734 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

Okay, but that is Scourge.. What about Reaper? Would you happen to have stats on that?

I do not. I do not have a rotation or build that I am comfortable taking into raids with, atm. Are you wanting condi or power reaper? I can tell you that condi reaper is largely the same, just was nerfed, less whirl finishers from RS 4, as well as less poison generation.

I was wondering about Power Reaper since the last changes.Anyone tried power reaper in raids or have numbers / build??

https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/14939/golem-test#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhxU0NFqQS4

27k dps, realistic buffs, golem

build: http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNAR3djk0QjN2SDu1A7NWyFs4qYXcMCFAaArgprwSYKA-jhRBAB4p7BgnUAlq/YmSwr2fU+9wFVYdwAwMJlyMzZmZmGZmZmZmpUARMGA-e

thanks to Sublimatio.6981

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@Fatalyz.7168 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

Okay, but that is Scourge.. What about Reaper? Would you happen to have stats on that?

I do not. I do not have a rotation or build that I am comfortable taking into raids with, atm. Are you wanting condi or power reaper? I can tell you that condi reaper is largely the same, just was nerfed, less whirl finishers from RS 4, as well as less poison generation.

I was wondering about Power Reaper since the last changes.Anyone tried power reaper in raids or have numbers / build??

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27k dps, realistic buffs, golem

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thanks to Sublimatio.6981

This is beautiful.Glad I refused to jump on the "necro still bad" bandwagon so I dont look like a fool.

That kind of dps on a power build? Beautiful.Not tempest or weaver, but still wonderful.

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@Aetatis.5418 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:

@Fatalyz.7168 said:I have logs from this past week. I'm either at the top, or near the top. In places where I'm not the top on boss, it is because of dealing with mechanics. For example, cannon running on Sabetha and mushroom on Sloth (the DH who out did me on Sloth didn't have to eat a mushroom). Didn't add KC's log to this because Scourge isn't as strong on it. Once I have a decent rotation working for power reaper, I'll look into taking it there. Otherwise necro on 12/13 fights is pretty good.

Okay, but that is Scourge.. What about Reaper? Would you happen to have stats on that?

I do not. I do not have a rotation or build that I am comfortable taking into raids with, atm. Are you wanting condi or power reaper? I can tell you that condi reaper is largely the same, just was nerfed, less whirl finishers from RS 4, as well as less poison generation.

I was wondering about Power Reaper since the last changes.Anyone tried power reaper in raids or have numbers / build??

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27k dps, realistic buffs, golem

build:

thanks to Sublimatio.6981

This is beautiful.Glad I refused to jump on the "necro still bad" bandwagon so I dont look like a fool.

That kind of dps on a power build? Beautiful.Not tempest or weaver, but still wonderful.

I mean, lets be real here. We would have to shed all our natural tankiness (19k base health + shroud health pool) to be able to have Ele levels of damage. Which would likely cause an even greater backlash than we've seen before.

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