[Suggestion] New Daily Login Reward System

Here's my proposal

DISCLAIMER

Before you start to read, you have to know that this image it's only a draft. An example.

Now some Q/A

Q: Why do you propose those changes?

Because i don't like the idea that players receive a reward which is worth gold by simply log in.This has been a problem since ANET introcuced that system and after a few weeks decided to lower the Core game's price ( 10 € ), with the result that many managed to buy other accounts in order to get more rewards without playing the game.

Rewards should be something which provide a support to player ( account bound currencies which could help players to play, or simply receive stuff from content they don't like to play ).

Q: Unbound Magic is a HoT thing, shouldn't be rewards for all kind of players ( with all, some or no expansion )?

Indeed.As said it's only a draft, and i just wanted to be able to provvide an example.Unbound magic as other things could be replaced by guild commendations, spvp shards, wvw tokens, etc... ( a box which allow the player to choose between would be great ).

Q: What is supposed to bring a different daily system?

I can summarize in 3 points

1. Reward players for playing instead of log in with different accounts for easy rewards.
2. A specific recipe in order to get Mystic coin, which are now mostly related to daily login ( since not all players do the other specific task which award with some coins ). Laurels to TX materials will also be removed in order to prevent players from getting rich by trading laurels.
3. More choice ( many players are full of tomes, luck, transmutation charges, obsidian shards, etc... whatever you like not to receive ) offered from the daily login in order to enhance your game the way you want.

I know that many players would be against a more fair system, but still i just wanted to propose instead something which enhanches the game ( and don't advantage those who has more than 1 account ). And i have some atm.

Do any of you feel the same about this?

I certainly would not want Spirit or Obsidian Shards. Unbound Magic can be traded in for Gold. Tokens, for me, would be nice, but would that not remove players from content?

I don't think alternate accounts are really a big issue, and before accusations fly about, I have one, but rarely log into it. Perhaps, they help stimulate the economy...no idea. They did/do help with income for the studio.

Everything I agree except the mystic coin and the spirit shards.Keep your mangy Spirit Shards as I can get them easily whether in PoF or Central (will probably never get enough points in HoT to ever get the last 2 masteries I need).I have no other way to get mystic coins so no. No no no.

No, I don't think Mystic Coins need to be harder to get or that valuable items/conversions need to be taken from the daily login. It's a nice bonus when it comes to MCs and laurels for players who choose to convert them. Adding dungeon tokens and the like may create a disincentive to play that content as people could just passively collect those currencies - and convert them to gold as some of the insignias, etc sell decently. I also do not understand why the current system isn't fair as all players have access.

This sounds like a terrible plan, I do not support this

Q: Why do you propose those changes?Because i don't like the idea that players receive a reward which is worth gold by simply log in.

yet you still left in laurels, put in tokens & karma, all of which can be used for gold? curious...

Replace the most valuable item outside of laurels with items that most players are drowning in and have essentially zero value? .......Why?The ascended materials and Laurels are also easily converted into gold too. You might as well replace everything with Piles of Bloodstone Dust.Including Fractal Relics, Unbound Magic, HoT map currencies and dungeon tokens also completely invalidates your supposed stance of "reward players for playing", as one could simply sit on log in rewards and accumulate currencies that you would otherwise actually have to play specific game modes to acquire, whilst never touching that content.They're called log in rewards and I am okay with them having tangible in-game value.Mystic Coins are in a pretty good spot right now, I think, with their variety of uses and availability. 20 a month isn't a problem at all.

I know that many players would be against a more fair systemThis really feels like you're proclaiming that anybody who may disagree with your bizarre system hates fairness or something.

I like things the way they are now. the daily rewards help many of us collect items needed for weapons and armor. I say leave things alone. If you want those other items then farm them like everyone else has to.

This is a solution addressing a problem that only exists for the OP.Nothing in your post justifies the changes, and there is no problem that needs fixing.

@Ayumi Spender.1082 said:Everything I agree except the mystic coin and the spirit shards.Keep your mangy Spirit Shards as I can get them easily whether in PoF or Central (will probably never get enough points in HoT to ever get the last 2 masteries I need).I have no other way to get mystic coins so no. No no no.

It seems like the whole point of the post was to take mystic coins from people though. Those are the red changes. So if you don't agree with the mystic coin changes, then presumably, you do not agree with the idea? Unless I read that wrong?

I personally don't like it at all. What, exactly, is wrong with getting mystic coins? :/

@notebene.3190 said:

@Ayumi Spender.1082 said:Everything I agree except the mystic coin and the spirit shards.Keep your mangy Spirit Shards as I can get them easily whether in PoF or Central (will probably never get enough points in HoT to ever get the last 2 masteries I need).I have no other way to get mystic coins so no. No no no.

The dungeon currency I was fine with. Seems at times hard to get people for those and I need them for certain items/armour I want.

@Ayumi Spender.1082 said:

@notebene.3190 said:

@Ayumi Spender.1082 said:Everything I agree except the mystic coin and the spirit shards.Keep your mangy Spirit Shards as I can get them easily whether in PoF or Central (will probably never get enough points in HoT to ever get the last 2 masteries I need).I have no other way to get mystic coins so no. No no no.

Ah, I see. He also replaced the 'bag of materials' with dungeon mats. My bad. :)

Well I was looking at this and saw:

Common reward from bosses of the Nightmare Fractal challenge mode``

The rules of conduct say I can't talk about what I'd like to talk about to frame this with an analogy, so as Forest would say, "That's all I have to say about that."

The only real change I want to see to the daily login rewards is to add an option to get 20-25MC from the chest of loyalty as one of the options

Please don't add dungeon tokens to login rewards. I'm okay with Fractal Relics, though.

You know it's worth a gold because that's what people are willing to pay right? That means the system is working absolutely fine as is, if you make mystic coins impossible to obtain, then you'll never be able to make special skins/conversions/clovers/etc.

Yeah, sorry but no, this is a good way to get some coins at least, which are a pita to get as it is. The stuff you suggested to replace them is just trash, not even worth collecting. Was hoping for a more rewarding log in rewards system not one that guts it even more.

Nope. Denying MC's to alt account holders also denies them to single account holders. I smell an ulterior motive.

If you do this Mystic coins will be going up for like 10g each. Like legendaries arent expensive enough for most of us!With the leyline energy converter im flooding in obs shards please dont take the mystic coins away..

The only thing that needs changing from the daily log in rewards are the days you get essences of luck...

Part of the value — to ANet — of putting mystic coins in the daily login reward is to do exactly what the OP doesn't like: giving people free mats. This allows patient crafters to collect coins and build their shinies without additional costs. And, more importantly, it allows impatient veterans to give gold to new players in exchange for their m-coins, stealing from the rich(er) to give to the poor(er).

This ends up being great for the community overall, a form of capitalistic socialism (or social capitalism?).

Besides that, I think the OP's specific suggestion undermines their goals: this rewards players for not playing in a more insidious way: coin (to pay for m-coins) is available in all sorts of ways in this game. But tokens (dungeon tokens and the like) actually require people to play; there's no other way to obtain them. And the OP wants to replace m-coins with these.

tl;dr I don't agree with the goals of the OP and, I suspect that the OP themself is conflicted about it.

@nottsgman.8206 said:

Q: Why do you propose those changes?Because i don't like the idea that players receive a reward which is worth gold by simply log in.

I talked about laurels in the 2nd point ( removing every way to trade em for materials which could be converted into golds ).

2. A specific recipe in order to get Mystic coin, which are now mostly related to daily login ( since not all players do the other specific task which award with some coins ). Laurels to TX materials will also be removed in order to prevent players from getting rich by trading laurels.

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@Cronospere.8143 said:If you do this Mystic coins will be going up for like 10g each. Like legendaries arent expensive enough for most of us!With the leyline energy converter im flooding in obs shards please dont take the mystic coins away..

There would have been introduced a recipe in order to craft em.So the price, depends the materials, could have been lower, the same or higher.

The only thing that will change with a reworked system is that players is that players won't be able any longer to get golds from daily login.

As said at the beginning of the thread the point is not to focus yourself into the rewards i propose ( which are just mere examples ) but the reason behind the suggestion.

@"Astra Lux.2846" said:

I know that many players would be against a more fair systemThis really feels like you're proclaiming that anybody who may disagree with your bizarre system hates fairness or something.

Could you disagree if the discussion is about "the more account you have the more golds you will be able to make without playing" ?Just to know your idea of fairness.I am no Judge.

Remove the luck. They are so skritting pointless.

@Shirlias.8104 said:

Could you disagree if the discussion is about "the more account you have the more golds you will be able to make without playing" ?Just to know your idea of fairness.I am no Judge.

You seem to skim over the fact that those people with multiple accounts paid for that privilege. They paid for those accounts, for those log in rewards.

@Haleydawn.3764 said:

@Shirlias.8104 said:

Could you disagree if the discussion is about "the more account you have the more golds you will be able to make without playing" ?Just to know your idea of fairness.I am no Judge.

It was ANET fault indeed, and since the day of the introduction of the reward system they had the opportunity to make golds from their accounts as i did.Or are you suggesting that now, since they introduced the daily system, those who bought more accounts should not be nerfed because they decided to buy em in order to make easy golds?

IE

I bought many other accounts and now the new reward login is useless ( or cannot be sent to my main account ). What am i supposed to do with 'em?

What would you expect as an answer from ANET?And, whatever the answer, won't that be your fault for not knowing that purchase extra accounts to exploit extra rewards could have ended someday?