[PvP]Elementalist is a pure PvE only class

Basically it's no worth to play this profession anywhere else but PvE:

To maintain this status quo https://qtfy.eu/guildwars/benchmarks-11-07-17/ , anet has deemed ok to rend elementalist a running joke anywhere else but in PvE - https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/16881/week-2-profession-statistics#latest

Weaver makes a pretty decent backliner in WvW. That much I can tell for certain because I play one. So your claim is demonstrably false.

This is pure pvp perspective:

In case of Weaver: If you desing class that gives zero benefits for team you make it good 1v1'er. Now compere it with spellbraker, mirage, chrono, holosmith, druid ect. So playing waver is like s/f builds. You have nothing better do to in your life and you need to make it harder for NO reason.

Tempest: it had to die...it just had to. The only good thing in tempest is only heals so there is no need to use it when firebrand exists that can do the same thing, much more stuff like bunkering and finally NOT DIE IN TEAMFIGHT by random conditions. By design Tempest was stupid and in this meta shows full effect anet's constant nerfing and negligence.

This is a really silly post, sages weaver in spvp is very strong and a great 1 v 1 class along with being plenty strong in team fights bringing great condi damage a decent amount of team healing and great cc all while being highly mobile . Core fresh air sw/f is a great power solo queue build I personally dont care for it but its been proven a great power burst spec that doesn't get shut down by projectile destruction while it's weak to condis it doesn't flop over to them like some other burst builds.. Tempest support may have been pushed out of spvp but its still loved in wvw and someone already stated how devastating back line weavers are in wvw.

@Lalainnia.3598 said:This is a really silly post, sages weaver in spvp is very strong and a great 1 v 1 class along with being plenty strong in team fights bringing great condi damage a decent amount of team healing and great cc all while being highly mobile . Core fresh air sw/f is a great power solo queue build I personally dont care for it but its been proven a great power burst spec that doesn't get shut down by projectile destruction while it's weak to condis it doesn't flop over to them like some other burst builds.. Tempest support may have been pushed out of spvp but its still loved in wvw and someone already stated how devastating back line weavers are in wvw.

I don't say waver is trash dude. I say that when you want to win at monthly finals...there are better alternatives then waver. Most people don't care about this and its perfectly fine. If you are good mechanically and at rotating you can reach legendary division with almost everything. The question is: is this a good balance to put SO MUCH EFFORT in those things that you mentioned in case of sage waver when other classes can do same thing with a lot more mistakes? How you feel about effort you need to make to reach higher divisions with waver when by playing scourge you're are guaranteed to reach at least gold by randomly pressing buttons?

Yes if you love the actual class then yes it's 100% worth it Sage weaver will honestly only dies if it gets melted by a condi burst and by that I mean 5+ condis and you can't get back into water quick enough or get a source of swiftness/superspeed off or you get power busted with no dodges or evades which is unlikely. While scourge is without a doubt 100% easier to get results on whats the point of playing this game if u aren't doing it on the class you enjoy. The main factor for something like sages weaver is that its not useless and near impossible or requires some god tier player to climb with. Everyone's upset with scourge even other scourge mains doesn't mean other classes are useless or need buffs scourges literal main prob right now is their ability to hog a cap point with 3 shades and the overwhelming amount of boon corruption. When they get paired with a FB support things get even more ridiculous and the best thing to do in those cases is out rotate them or kill them away from shades which ofc is easier said then done.

Hopefully with enough uproar from the player base scourge boon corruption and area denial will get toned down that's the real issue with the game right now.

Running something close to sages amulet regards in stat wise in wvw and I must say, atm it isn't good for most 1v1's (warriors/holos/dh) but it can fight others, or stale mate them condi mirage. But it team fights it's really good because I can fight with them too.

Its just not possible to play melee while close to 0 armor. Every time you start to pressure another melee classes you get so much damage while attacking you need to instand swapping to water/riptide to recover. Its the same dance/circle of rotation and you simple gets outbursted if you not start to kite. Try to pressure an warrior, if you are lucky you reach the first endure pain proc and he will reg. his hps.

So far you gets punshied for beeing melee on ele. They should change the vit. buff on sword/pwer/prec to some toughness.

It just baffles me how class with light armor and least hp pool, gives up on convinience of ranged combat, is absolutely thrash compared to warrior. What is even good on sword weaver? In PvE it is thrash in PvP it is thrash, why does it even exist?

I play scepter weaver for the spike damage and relatively easy scourge 1v1. I'm positive no ranged class has as much burst damage as scepter weaver right now. Even power mesmer would need to get dangerously close (albeit from stealth) to execute their usual combo.

Gotta love driving scourges to play defensively right away.

@Razor.6392 said:I play scepter weaver for the spike damage and relatively easy scourge 1v1. I'm positive no ranged class has as much burst damage as scepter weaver right now. Even power mesmer would need to get dangerously close (albeit from stealth) to execute their usual combo.

Gotta love driving scourges to play defensively right away.

Wasnt you the one who talked to me its shit as it best, our weaver-spec? Its the only thing atm to play in my opinion!

yeah, I agree that this post is silly. Tempest had a lock on the bunker/healing spot for a very long time, this was true for both pvp and wvw. It was so good it was strictly Required in any good group comp. It's refreshing that there are finally other alternatives available to us.Maybe soon they will give us an alternative to mesmer too :3

@Xibalbar.7459Its just not possible to play melee while close to 0 armor. Every time you start to pressure another melee classes you get so much damage while attacking you need to instand swapping to water/riptide to recover. Its the same dance/circle of rotation and you simple gets outbursted if you not start to kite. Try to pressure an warrior, if you are lucky you reach the first endure pain proc and he will reg. his hps.

So far you gets punshied for beeing melee on ele. They should change the vit. buff on sword/pwer/prec to some toughness.

@obcan.1470 said:It just baffles me how class with light armor and least hp pool, gives up on convinience of ranged combat, is absolutely thrash compared to warrior. What is even good on sword weaver? In PvE it is thrash in PvP it is thrash, why does it even exist?

These 2 comments alone give a clearer version of what I think...I'd like to be more concise but sadly any of my threads with any resemblance of critique ( no foul mouthed language of any sort) get clamped down pretty quickly by the mods so...

For all the fact that people call sword trash - its our second highest PvE power weapon coming in only a few thousand DPS under staff on small and 6k on large. It's a very viable weapon, just not our best one. For numbers sake small hitbox is 32k DPS and large hitbox is 35k DPS. That is far from trash considering DH on large is only 34k and on small it's up there as well.

Is it as good as staff? No, but it certainly is viable.

No comment on PvP or WvW

@Raif.9507 said:For all the fact that people call sword trash - its our second highest PvE power weapon coming in only a few thousand DPS under staff on small and 6k on large. It's a very viable weapon, just not our best one. For numbers sake small hitbox is 32k DPS and large hitbox is 35k DPS. That is far from trash considering DH on large is only 34k and on small it's up there as well.

Is it as good as staff? No, but it certainly is viable.

No comment on PvP or WvW

Let a boss raidboss controlled by a player and you see how mighy your weaver is. Beside this, pve in gw2 is a lesser challenge.

Let a raid boss be controlled by any player in any game and youll see how the game balance of PVE falls apart.

I specifically said "no comment on pvp" because of exactly that, my post does not apply to pvp.

@Xibalbar.7459 said:

@Razor.6392 said:I play scepter weaver for the spike damage and relatively easy scourge 1v1. I'm positive no ranged class has as much burst damage as scepter weaver right now. Even power mesmer would need to get dangerously close (albeit from stealth) to execute their usual combo.

Gotta love driving scourges to play defensively right away.

The kitten in your post makes it confusing to decipher what you mean lol

@Feanor.2358 said:Weaver makes a pretty decent backliner in WvW. That much I can tell for certain because I play one. So your claim is demonstrably false.

The main issue here is : risk-reward relation for each class, the harder is a class to play...the higher should be the reward. We're talking about fairness and objective balance..but all we're getting atm is heavily biased design process. You're arguing with me just for the sake of arguing ....you wanna play backliner weaver just to support your claims and for what? self-gratification reading the comments of random people on the forum , of how much they're in "awe" of your l33t skills?

No sane commander would ever opt for an ele over a guardian that can heal/support several times better or a scourge that deal several times your dmg...so what's left? boons? we have heralds/chronos...so in the end can you explain me in all honestly what's the realistic reason for all this masochistic difficulty?

This class was supposed to be jack of all trades and pay that with their inability to focus in any particular aspect...now we have a below average jack of all trades that fails even at being...lol jack of all trades because other professions get to be jack of all trades + specialised roles at the same time and despite all this...people still come down with their white-knighting ...like wow

@Zlater.6789 said:yeah, I agree that this post is silly. Tempest had a lock on the bunker/healing spot for a very long time, this was true for both pvp and wvw. It was so good it was strictly Required in any good group comp. It's refreshing that there are finally other alternatives available to us.Maybe soon they will give us an alternative to mesmer too :3

What alternative? You must have missed the last unofficial UGO tournaments with zero eles or the lack of ele at all above silver...or the fact that any team with an ele in it has a great shot at losing

@Arheundel.6451 said:

@Feanor.2358 said:Weaver makes a pretty decent backliner in WvW. That much I can tell for certain because I play one. So your claim is demonstrably false.

No sane commander will ever be faced with a choice of ele or a guard. They serve a totally different purpose and, believe it or not, they both have their place. And no, no frontliner can deal anything remotely near my damage, because as a backline I can run a glass cannon build whereas the frontline guards use much more defensive gear out of necessity.

And no, I'm not white-knighting. I'm playing a staff Weaver since PoF launched. I'm playing one because I like it, and because it actually is a pretty decent backliner. It has superb range and tons of cleave. It has less utility than a core ele or a Tempest, but so much more damage. It's not jack of all the trades by any measure. It's a ranged glass cannon.

Well about risk-reward relation, fresh air weaver is completely fine.

@Rednaxela.6018 said:Well about risk-reward relation, fresh air weaver is completely fine.

Just watch this and tell me weaver is useless.Btw those enemies aren't Gold plebs.

How your weaver fits in any high challenging pvp-match? There is no role you can fill like other classes doing it better. And the fresh air weaver spec will be cutted soon enough, just because of to much mulitple skills can be used in same time.

And i wants to see you in a match mirage is sitting on you. Let us see your rank if you did 200 matches on fresh weaver and not 30, we will see how great it worked for you.

@Xibalbar.7459 said:

@Rednaxela.6018 said:Well about risk-reward relation, fresh air weaver is completely fine.

Just watch this and tell me weaver is useless.Btw those enemies aren't Gold plebs.

That dude got lots of videos on YouTube. I am sure he iss plat.

@Milan.9035 said:

@Xibalbar.7459 said:

@Rednaxela.6018 said:Well about risk-reward relation, fresh air weaver is completely fine.

Just watch this and tell me weaver is useless.Btw those enemies aren't Gold plebs.

Footage and stuff like this showing up what you did good, but never what you did not great. I was beating with my build also some very great players by simple one shotted them, but it doesnt say anything usefull about the weaver. And he is currently at 1770 with 30 games. Seems like tanking the mmr, like most people do atm in the pvp-scene.

( i was also at 1680 and dropped by a streak of 10 loses, my mistake, never play out of primetime )

@Xibalbar.7459 said:How your weaver fits in any high challenging pvp-match? There is no role you can fill like other classes doing it better. And the fresh air weaver spec will be cutted soon enough, just because of to much mulitple skills can be used in same time.

Is using many skills at the same time forbidden? And if you think ele can't fill a role, why should it be nerfed.Well what is a "high challenging" pvp-match for you?In my opinion, ats are much more challenging than any ranked or unranked games (not the first or second match in any tournament, for sure).As fresh air weaver you are able to burst bunker firebrands from 100 to at least 40~30% while staying ranged. I won many team fights, just because of being able to this. I guess this is kinda role ele can fill.

And i wants to see you in a match mirage is sitting on you. Let us see your rank if you did 200 matches on fresh weaver and not 30, we will see how great it worked for you.

Yes I totally agree that condi mirage is your hardcounter, but so what. Many professions/builds has hard counters, try to avoid fights against them or do a sneaky burst.

Footage and stuff like this showing up what you did good, but never what you did not great. I was beating with my build also some very great players by simple one shotted them, but it doesnt say anything usefull about the weaver. And he is currently at 1770 with 30 games. Seems like tanking the mmr, like most people do atm in the pvp-scene.

For me, one shooting great player is pretty usefull. Killing a necro within 2 seconds is definitley better than fighting bunker comp vs bunker comp for 5 mins.And yea, I m just uploading decent matches/gameplay, cause my intention is to entertain people. I guess everyone knows that my win rate isn't 100%.Btw I m not "tanking" my mmr by playing in/of primetime what ever. Solo qing is really annoying so I prefer playing duo q in unranked.