How did Abaddon's energy go to Primordus?

I mean he was in the deep center of Realm of Torment, even if it was linked to Elona, it got a very long distance. Primordus isn't the closest dragon as well.

If such energy could start the process, why didn't Cataclysm, the Searing and the early war between the gods awake the dragons? Zhaitan was right underneath Orr and Kralkatorrik wasn't far from Ascalon.

When did you hear it did?

@Fenom.9457 said:When did you hear it did?

Kormir said it.

Kormir: A mortal hero led a mission to stop him, and against all odds, succeeded. But then...Hero: Abbadon is breaking up!Kormir: Incredible! All that knowledge!Hero: It's running wild! It will destroy everything!Kormir: I can contain the power—Hero: Kormir! No!Kormir: I was there to contain the damage, but by then it was too late.Kormir: The surge of power upended the balance of magic in Tyria, and stirred Primordus from his slumber—triggering this latest cycle of destruction.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@Fenom.9457 said:When did you hear it did?

Kormir: A mortal hero led a mission to stop him, and against all odds, succeeded. But then...Hero: Abbadon is breaking up!Kormir: Incredible! All that knowledge!Hero: It's running wild! It will destroy everything!Kormir: I can contain the power—Hero: Kormir! No!Kormir: I was there to contain the damage, but by then it was too late.Kormir: The surge of power upended the balance of magic in Tyria, and stirred Primordus from his slumber—triggering this latest cycle of destruction.

That literally just says that the explosion of magic woke the dragon, not that Primordus ate it. Scarlet did effectively the same thing by piercing the ley hub below LA to cause a chain reaction that woke Mordremoth.

@Cuon Alpinus.7645 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@Fenom.9457 said:When did you hear it did?

Kormir: A mortal hero led a mission to stop him, and against all odds, succeeded. But then...Hero: Abbadon is breaking up!Kormir: Incredible! All that knowledge!Hero: It's running wild! It will destroy everything!Kormir: I can contain the power—Hero: Kormir! No!Kormir: I was there to contain the damage, but by then it was too late.Kormir: The surge of power upended the balance of magic in Tyria, and stirred Primordus from his slumber—triggering this latest cycle of destruction.

More importantly, the war between the gods which turned the crystal sea into deserts didn't wake them either.

Kormir said that the explosion affected 'the balance of magic in Tyria', not Primordus. All it had to do was reach Tyria, and given the multitude of rifts and overlaps and other Nightfall weirdness at the time, that wouldn't be hard to do.

As for why the Searing, Cataclysm, etc. didn't have the same effect, remember that Abaddon's death was supposed to destroy all of Tyria if it had been left unchecked. That's several orders of magnitude above a disaster that 'only' spans a single country.

@Aaron Ansari.1604 said:Kormir said that the explosion affected 'the balance of magic in Tyria', not Primordus. All it had to do was reach Tyria, and given the multitude of rifts and overlaps and other Nightfall weirdness at the time, that wouldn't be hard to do.

As for why the Searing, Cataclysm, etc. didn't have the same effect, remember that Abaddon's death was supposed to destroy all of Tyria if it had been left unchecked. That's several orders of magnitude above a disaster that 'only' spans a single country.

And the majority of it was absorbed by Komir, it was also trigger in the Realm of Torment, not Tyria. Cataclysm and the Searing lifted much bigger damage than it.

During the course of Nightfall, Abaddon was trying to merge the Realm of Torment and Tyria together; this was his goal for how to break free from his prison and what the event "Nightfall" itself represent. This resulted in the Realm of Torment being very close to the world, close enough that the momentary release of his magic was sensed by the Elder Dragons.

The Cataclysm and Searing did not add magic, merely utilized magic that was already present. It had nothing to do with the damage done.

Primordus never ate any of Abaddon's magic either.

@"Konig Des Todes.2086" said:During the course of Nightfall, Abaddon was trying to merge the Realm of Torment and Tyria together; this was his goal for how to break free from his prison and what the event "Nightfall" itself represent. This resulted in the Realm of Torment being very close to the world, close enough that the momentary release of his magic was sensed by the Elder Dragons.

The Cataclysm and Searing did not add magic, merely utilized magic that was already present. It had nothing to do with the damage done.

Primordus never ate any of Abaddon's magic either.

Then Abaddon didn't add magic either, locking it up reduced magic of Tyria.

Mordremoth wasn't getting something outside of Tyria either.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Then Abaddon didn't add magic either, locking it up reduced magic of Tyria.

Mordremoth wasn't getting something outside of Tyria either.

That Mordremoth comment came out of left field.

But Abaddon did add magic... temporarily. It lasted for less than a minute, but that less than a minute was long enough for Primordus' dragon senses to go "MAGIC! MAGIC! MAGIC!"

It's also possible, mind you, that Kormir was generalising, and the Searing and Cataclysm did play a role in awakening the dragons. Abaddon's efforts to cause Nightfall (which did have effects outside of Elona, Elona is just what we saw because that's where our characters were) and his subsequent defeat may have been the final straw rather than the sole cause of the dragons waking up.

Like Konig said, the Searing and Cataclysm used magic already present in Tyria, those events didn't add any extra magic to the world, Abaddon's magic, on the other hand, was locked in the mist, specifically in the realm of torment. His death caused an enormous amount of magic to be released, and because Tyria at that time was already connected to the realm of torment through the multiple portals that allowed demons to pour inside and brought nightfall to the land, primordius felt that magic being released just before kormir managed to absorb it all. He didn't actually ate any of abaddon's magic, he just felt it, and that made him start to wake up back in Eye of the North Expansion.

I would join in with what Drax said. When Abbadon fell and the Desolation was created, the world was still rather empty of magic. The Gods had sealed up much of the world's magic back into the Bloodstones so even though his fall and the release of his magic which created the Desolation likely caused a spike of magic, perhaps it still wasn't enough to draw the Elder Dragon's attention. But after him being imprisoned we saw the Searing, which likely drew magic away from Kralkatorrik while he slept and reintroduced it to the world. Then you have the Cataclysm, which is an unknown. We can't be sure if it released magic into the world or utilized magic from the world, but you have Dwayna's blessing that was given to Cantha yearly which may also have added magic to the world, plus since Guild Wars 2 we have learned that the Bloodstones magic is no longer the prevalent magic in the world because of the Elder Dragon's passive release of magic. So perhaps by the time of Nightfall, with all of these factors occurring, it would make sense that Abaddon's death could trigger the Dragon's desire to start awakening.

Abaddon’s death caused a tremor in the balance that hastened the dragon’s wakening, but kormir consumed most if not all the magic abaddon spew out.

Its like waking up from the smell of recently made food.

Considering that the sinking of Orr, the Searing, and the death of Abaddon all occurred within, what, a decade or so, they probably all blended together from the Elder Dragons' POV to a signal saying "maybe I should start checking this out".

@Cuon Alpinus.7645 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@Fenom.9457 said:When did you hear it did?

Kormir: A mortal hero led a mission to stop him, and against all odds, succeeded. But then...Hero: Abbadon is breaking up!Kormir: Incredible! All that knowledge!Hero: It's running wild! It will destroy everything!Kormir: I can contain the power—Hero: Kormir! No!Kormir: I was there to contain the damage, but by then it was too late.Kormir: The surge of power upended the balance of magic in Tyria, and stirred Primordus from his slumber—triggering this latest cycle of destruction.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly, put simply.

Kormir spins no truth here. After Nightfall, the world of Tyria began to quake (Guild Wars: Eye of The North) from which The Destroyers began to run amuck using old Dwarven/dredge archetecture that was secretly under the world and spanned as far as Cantha. Primordus was waking but had not fully awakened so his Lieutenant and Destroyer forces paved the way.

@Narcemus.1348 said:I would join in with what Drax said. When Abbadon fell and the Desolation was created, the world was still rather empty of magic. The Gods had sealed up much of the world's magic back into the Bloodstones so even though his fall and the release of his magic which created the Desolation likely caused a spike of magic, perhaps it still wasn't enough to draw the Elder Dragon's attention. But after him being imprisoned we saw the Searing, which likely drew magic away from Kralkatorrik while he slept and reintroduced it to the world. Then you have the Cataclysm, which is an unknown. We can't be sure if it released magic into the world or utilized magic from the world, but you have Dwayna's blessing that was given to Cantha yearly which may also have added magic to the world, plus since Guild Wars 2 we have learned that the Bloodstones magic is no longer the prevalent magic in the world because of the Elder Dragon's passive release of magic. So perhaps by the time of Nightfall, with all of these factors occurring, it would make sense that Abaddon's death could trigger the Dragon's desire to start awakening.

If Scarlet could use a surge of magic to wake Mordremoth, Cataclysm and Searing should have worked on Zhaitan/Kralkatorrik.

@draxynnic.3719 said:It's also possible, mind you, that Kormir was generalising, and the Searing and Cataclysm did play a role in awakening the dragons. Abaddon's efforts to cause Nightfall (which did have effects outside of Elona, Elona is just what we saw because that's where our characters were) and his subsequent defeat may have been the final straw rather than the sole cause of the dragons waking up.

Then why didn't war between the gods wake the dragons?

Possibly because magic on the whole was weaker at the time? While the gods themselves used a lot of magic, the whole reason for the war was that the gods had just reduced the levels of magic that was present in the rest of the world, and Abaddon disagreed with that. The magics wielded by the gods may not have been enough to stir the dragons when the background level was so low. One could even hypothesise that the dragons did stir, but before they awoke completely the war was over and magic levels reverted to a level that was too low and they went back into hibernation.

Or possibly because for all the destruction that was caused, the magics used were more self-contained. While the Crystal Sea was destroyed, this still represents a smaller area than Orr and Ascalon, and a fair distance away from any of the known sleeping places of the dragons. The Searing and the Cataclysm, on the other hand, happened in the vicinity of several of the Elder Dragons, the latter being right on top of Zhaitan.

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@Narcemus.1348 said:I would join in with what Drax said. When Abbadon fell and the Desolation was created, the world was still rather empty of magic. The Gods had sealed up much of the world's magic back into the Bloodstones so even though his fall and the release of his magic which created the Desolation likely caused a spike of magic, perhaps it still wasn't enough to draw the Elder Dragon's attention. But after him being imprisoned we saw the Searing, which likely drew magic away from Kralkatorrik while he slept and reintroduced it to the world. Then you have the Cataclysm, which is an unknown. We can't be sure if it released magic into the world or utilized magic from the world, but you have Dwayna's blessing that was given to Cantha yearly which may also have added magic to the world, plus since Guild Wars 2 we have learned that the Bloodstones magic is no longer the prevalent magic in the world because of the Elder Dragon's passive release of magic. So perhaps by the time of Nightfall, with all of these factors occurring, it would make sense that Abaddon's death could trigger the Dragon's desire to start awakening.

She used a surge of magic from a world so full of magic that it had already awakened 5 other Elder Dragons, plus with the death of Zhaitan, maybe even more magic than that had been introduced into the world.

We are talking about two completely different states of Tyria. Modern day Tyria is almost to the point of overflowing with magic, whereas back in Guild Wars 1, magic was much more controlled and regulated because of the Bloodstones. The fight between the gods likely happening in a world that was practically magically deprived.

And one thing that we haven't yet argued about, we are comparing an event like the Searing and the Cataclysm, which devastated single nations, and the death of Abbadon. According to the dialogue we were given, his magic was powerful enough to transform the entire known world into his nightmarish realm. We are talking a massive difference in magical output. His death compared to the searing would be like a nuke next to a grenade. No comparison.