"Fractal God" Title needs a female version.
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I would prefer to have a "Fractal Goddess" title, it would fit both mine and my character's gender. It just feels like I'm left out and forgotten.
Can we have the augmentation unlock 2 titles?
The word God implies a male deity and is not gender neutral. Everywhere in the world, since the dawn of creation, priests of different religions described their god as male and it's now deeply rooted in our culture to associate this word with masculinity. More here: https://www.goddessariadne.org/why-women-need-the-goddess-part-1 (yes I actually browsed the net a bit just to make this thread, lol)
Besides, if I put so much of my time, gold and passion into the title is that too much to ask?
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Yes. If you are indifferent then there's no conflict. I am not indifferent and I'm voicing my opinion. Is there something wrong with that?
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Would be cool if we also got a third title for all of us who identify as attack helicopters.
Ok jokes aside, fractal god sounds cheesy. Since fractals are all about traveling in the mists in diff locations created in them and litterally 1 fractal takes us lile next to the rift why not have the final title be related to that like rift traveler or something like that.
They weren't indifferent, they were opposing you, is there something wrong with that?
What about those who are gender fluid? God is neither male nor female. in game they are referred too as a collective of "human gods" not gods and goddesses. To be truly equal - we would need the same title.
I agree with OP. Also think the Berserker trait "King of Fires" should be changed. Maybe to something like "Master of Flame".
"Lyssa, the goddess of beauty, blessed me when I was young"
That is what my character description says. It is possible that the gods have no innate gender, but they certainly chose one or the other for their interaction with humans, asura, norn, sylvari and animals. I think the lack of "goddess" in titles is just an oversight. The designer was probably male ^^
Gender neutral form would be "Fractal Deity" i guess. or "godly being"
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Then someone will demand "Mistress of Flame."
I don't understand what's wrong with female version, hence all titles with gods something should have the option for goddess. but some annoying people will always object like it'll affect their salary or steal their pc or loot or something. it's just an extra grammar addition to the game to address the genders more accurately. I think those little details are nice. also for goddess walks among mere mortals altho i don't have it. :<
Yeah, but it sounds like the name is based off of a turn of phrase for skill mastery. You call someone, male or female, a cooking god, racing god, combat god etc. when they show top mastery in the given topic. Being called a god in the divine sense may have gender preference, but using this turn of phrase is what it is.
Stop making such a fuss about gender. Before you know it we'll have to make 346 different titles for all the ones people are making up nowadays.
I'm a female and I abhor this idea. "God" has become synonymous with someone being great at something. Hell, if you want to change this should we also change (read: ruin) GWAMM? What about the other hundred titles?
You don't like the way the title is worded then don't use it.
Disagreement =/= "negativity"
Criticism =/= "hate"
I agree, though it's not just the "god" titles, but also some others.
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I agree, stop it already with this feminist fuzz. Always complaning about useless things like this. "oooh i feel triggered cuz of the male sexual title and im a female!!!!
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OP, why do you think humans say "Our gods has blessed us" and not "our gods & goddesses has blessed us?
Just because you assume gods are only for males then I have no words to you.
Jesus christ!
Is the title meant to be reflective of the player or character? Either? Both?
Seems like the start of something which would cascade across numerous facets of the game, beyond titles, beyond dialogues... is this really something that demands to have resources allocated at this time?
Edit: Just to elaborate, there are numerous examples of mismatched gender references across the game, many of which have been there since the start (GWAMM)... Not entirely sure why this case is any more or less egregious then those already existing. Not at all saying this shouldn't be addressed, just not convinced this type of corrective action should be limited to this particular title at this particular time.
Ask a Christian if god is male or female. You will likely get the answer of neither.
God is a position not a gender, it’s like asking for a female version of president or CEO.
Is damage too high?
Sound like work with very little payoff to me, reality is you cannot fulfill every persons wishes and i think god can be used neutral.
No, there is "god" and "goddess", but only "president" and "officer". If "god" was like those, there would exist no "goddess".
But God is not a gender. In most religions God refers to an ultimate being, the one or collection of beings who are without equal. Some gods have gender but the title God itself is gender less.
Is damage too high?
Transphobia? Where? Because gamers are throwing gamer gate memes at people?
And don't cheapen the REAL mysoginy of guys like Ted Bundy by calling people's reaction to this bad suggestion mysoginy... It water's down the word. Drastically. And after years or watering down the word, and gamer gate... You wonder why gamers dismiss feminist doctrine?
I understand wanting the other title. But it's a game where more than half of us play characters that don't match our biological gender.... Why in the world does this matter?
Other than to stir the recently over-stirred of pot of pop-culture feminism.
(EDIT: OH MY GAWD. THEY PUT HASH TAG GAMER GATE ON THE KITTEN FILTER? WHEN WILL THEY LEARN YOU CAN'T PROTECT PEOPLE FROM WORDS? YOU CAN'T GIVE OFFENSE, ONLY TAKE IT.)
In the German localisation titles automatically get the correct gender form. Is that different for english localisation people? Never looked into that.
You are thinking in monotheism. In the game, we have polytheism, like the ancient greeks and other religions. There were clearly male and female gods, and they were addressed accordingly. Both Greeks and Romans had a word for god and for goddess. And so has GW2, just not in titles.
the word "God" is gender neutral. The only person who is assigning gender to it is you, so I don't see how this is ANet's problem to fix.
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Seriously, that works? Fascinating. Never bothered to set the options to German, but that's actually a big surprise.
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Isn't "god" gender neutral in most contexts anyway? Godess is just the feminine exclusive version, but a female can be a "god" of something. In this game Komir is the God of Knowledge for example.
Lol at what this world has come to
God is a being without gender , if you cant understand literature its not an excuse ; now keep S.J..W. out of GW2 it has destroyed far too much
So the male version is the "default" and female is an "exclusive version"? No that's not a definition of gender neutral.
Grammatically if you have a female and male version of a word that means the male version is not neutral. The gender neutral word for "god/goddess" is "Deity".
Christian god is said to be transcending gender yet it's depicted as a male (and always has been) - "The Blessed Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion -- the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three truly distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
In most other religions gods are gendered, especially polytheistic religions (such as the one we have in tyria).
In answer to your question, no, "god" is not gender neutral in most contexts, it's the opposite. And Kormir isn't the God of Knowledge, she is the Goddess of Knowledge, you even have it on her minipet name and in other places.
Btw. yeah spanish titles also get two-gendered versions. Why not in english? There's literally no harm (and the comments about "wasting resources" are ridiculous btw). People just QQ because of bigotry and anti-feminist values. Not cute.
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This is not the first gender-specific title. We already had other "god"-related ones (GWAMM, God of Pvp), and a female-exclusive "Killer Queen" title. Why does this bother you now?
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I'm actually wondering if there already is a female version for that title. Does anyone have it? Titles have both versions automatically times. I really don't mind it lol. But then, as others said, the whole topic of other genders will come up.
(calling it, in 2 years we will have games where you can select your gender out of all thousand or whatever)
so to your logic you arent human ??
& did you even read my post , i em getting really confused ; clue word is CONTEXT
The term god (as opposed to the "name" God used for the Abrahamic faiths) is gender neutral in as so far it can refer to both male and female beings, but for whatever reason we decide we needed a special one for women.
It is kinda like how everyone can be an actor, yet we insist on using actress for some silly reason when talking about women.
It is fine.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
we live in 21st century.
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This topic has become derailed by ranting about gender politics.
Agree or disagree, it would probably take Anet three minutes to add 'Fractal Goddess' as an additional title unlocked when 'Fractal God' is, and it seems a perfectly reasonable request.
As for the person claiming to identify as an Apache Helicopter, you know perfectly well you actually identify as a troll.
That's nice. I'm glad we can agree that times change.
However, that doesn't change the fact that the word is gender neutral in 99% of cases. The only time it's not is when people feel the need to apply sexes to entities that don't have them and cover a group and not the individual.
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More like early 1300's.
dictionary.com/browse/goddess
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The word God is indeed Gender neutral. In almost every religion it's forbidden to picture God and therefore to think about it's Gender. None i've ever met felt that God was a "male" word. Everyone was smart enough to know that God wouldn't have a Gender, except it's own ; "God".
Article quotes things like "Our beloved Father", which indicates god is male.
Then again we have the Quote " God is everything, and everywhere" , on of the most important quotes, which doenst even gets addressed here.
"Our beloved Mother Earth" - If god is everywhere, God IS the "Mother Earth"
God's our Mother, our Father, our Sistser , our Brother , our Son, our Daughter.
Instead of reading on 2000 word article, maybe read the Bible and make an own picture.
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Okay thanks for the correction it was first doctored in the 1350's.
Still doesn't change that the word God is neutral and that if anything people are adding suffixes to words to force gender identity where it never was before.
The word 'God' is gender neutral. It's on you to interpret it in that way, thus if you perceive it as being 'male' that's not on anyone but yourself.
We don't need to change anything about your misunderstanding.
Jesus, from the hundreds of problems this game have, this is the thing you decide it needs attention?
I do believe that "God" is a entity which dosent really have a gender, he is beyond that, we cant even comprehend his very existence...whatever if we use god as male or goddness as female, still the word in my opinion is gender neutral...i can see where you coming from, I respect your opinion, even if I completely disagree with you...dont mind if titles like "God of PvP" or "Killer Queen" switch depending on the gender of your character(Godnees of PvP and Killer King) but i do think that this is waste of time and resourses...let the devs work on stuff that actually matters, God knows that sPvP and WvW need some help asap.
Also calling people misogynistic for disagreeing with you is really pathetic...if you dont have actual arguments to change people minds then why did you bother even making this thread?
Unlikely if you know the other, more common meaning of that word.
Thus, a title that can work for both genders likely without a request for gender neutrality.
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would also be correct " God doesnt really have a gender , it is beyond that"
understand grammatical rules & context (btw you used "context" wrong in response to me )
now i know you re just a troll
The word 'God' is not gender neutral. It's on you to interpret it in that way, thus if you perceive it as being 'neutral' that's not on anyone but yourself.
We need to change something about your misunderstanding.
Language develops all the time. Last time (in this case), as someone linked, in 1300. "God" is currently a gendered word. Remember we're talking about the word god, not the monotheistic being from christian religion that is said to be genderless and yet depicted as bearded man. (or any other qualifying as such).
Tyria is polytheistic and character using the title most definitely has gender. And on top of that the word god is grammatically gendered. I hope you can follow the logic from here.
Edit: All that real religion in real life aside, we play in Tyria. Tyria has gods and goddesses, so give us two titles.
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There is points in time where one must take a step back and ask themselves:"What am I actually doing here? How is this cause advancing human (or woman) kind? How much net benefit am I going to gain with my current path of action?" Or simply put:"Is it worth it?"
Without personally wanting to give judgement on this issue (I am male and quite frankly don't care enough for titles to be phased even if they were to replace fractal god with fractal goddess), I have to wonder:"Is the net benefit really so high that arguing lexicology and etymology with random strangers on a game message board on a topic which likely will see no change really worth it?" This applies to both sides.
Ok, so, simply question, why now and why just this title?
I pointed it out earlier that there are numerous inconsistencies that have existed since the start of the game.... where has your indignation been since then?
The excuse that this title was the "tipping point" is lame at best.
And no, correction of all these inconsistencies is not a trivial ... and this one instance is no less egregious than any of the others... so, again, why now?
"Fractal God" title doesn't need a female version.
You do.
is this some new kind of meme I'm not understanding?
At first I thought this thread is legit but now I think we're just being Jebaited...