Revenant the only class without a great/meta tier build

And yet they got nerfed further more in this last balance patch. Over my 80+ games played ive only seen 2-4 revs played and its looking like Anet doesnt give a shit about em.

Edit: Lol metabattle deleted all the bad ratings just o bring it back up to great tier, its still shit tier no matter how much they try to make people think otherwise

Nerf revenant to the point no one plays revenant -> no more revenant complaints!

Right Anet?

Also this cannot be emphasized enough:

• announce patch to nerf conditions
• nerf power revenant vulnerability application and indirectly nerf vulnerability reliant traits???
• buff mirage confusion application???

We asked them to finish Revenant... I think they misunderstood the meaning.

Yea i love how they tied the new vulnerablitly trait to elite skills, something power herald almost never uses but something condi renegade uses like every 9 seconds. Really thought that one through.

When they announced there was going to be a 'condi nerf patch' I was like "Awesome! I can finally get back on my Ventari Rev :) ".

:(

Power shiro is damn good .You dont see people playing reveand cause you cant faceroll over your keyboard and win.You need to know at least 5 of your spells.You see scourges cause you dont need to read the spells ,, just press F1-F2-F3-F4-F5 - 5-4-3-2-F3-F4-3-4-F1-f5 , you cant do that with reveant And yes reveant can 3 shots a scourge

@andrenaline.4286 said:Power shiro is kitten good .You dont see people playing reveand cause you cant faceroll over your keyboard and win.You need to know at least 5 of your spells.You see scourges cause you dont need to read the spells ,, just press F1-F2-F3-F4-F5 - 5-4-3-2-F3-F4-3-4-F1-f5 , you cant do that with reveant And yes reveant can 3 shots a scourge

The higher ranking you are, there will be less Scourges running around the map alone. More people know how to peel for their Scourges.

Shiro Herald sustain damage is still ok. Not as good as it was in the past and nowhere as bursty as a condi Mesmer or a Holo. From what I've seen, they're usually fine against most classes right now but the problem lies with the Scourge meta and Condi Mes confusion spam aka Rev cleanse is just so freaking bad. I honestly think when both condi Mes and Scourge gets toned down, we'll eventually see more Heralds running around.

@OPCheck again, Avatar weaver's down to a lower tier. And after the nerfs, I'd say it's even worse.

Nerf Mirage, power rev comes back.

It's still good btw.

Power rev's damage is insane. I was running a menders druid with 21k health and a revenant using s/s hit me 3 times when I was at full health and I died.

Rev is fine & it's a player issue not profession issue

No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

@Alveen.7239 said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

The problem with rev is players got used to it being insanely OP & since Anet left it like that they thought that was the norm.

Truth is the players should have realized that Rev would be brought back to earth at some point.

@Jinks.2057 said:

@Alveen.7239 said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

What class do you play

@Coolguy.8702 said:

@Jinks.2057 said:

@Alveen.7239 said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

The question is what class don't I play

@Jinks.2057 said:

@Coolguy.8702 said:

@Jinks.2057 said:

@Alveen.7239 said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Oh i see you're just trolling, carry on then

@Kaizok.7839 said:We asked them to finish Revenant... I think they misunderstood the meaning.

Thank you so much! The puns are strong with this one...

Edit: I just played some games as Renegade (and actually won one) and dropped down to gold 3... haha This class is so bad right now. But it can still be saved I believe. The Rev is still a gen 2 profession (assumed to be played only with elite specs in it's design). The herald is strong in some ways, it's just cover condies are too rampant in this meta for Revenant cleanse. If this patch had fixed condies, I think Rev would be viable. I do think it got better somehow since the patch. I can't see why, based on the patch notes, but in-game. I've noticed more teams without Necro or at least without double necro (the bane of rev, if paired with a condi mes) If I see double necro, firebrand, condi mes +X, I may as well just reroll another class. This feels less common lately (maybe it's cause I made it to plat or at least, until I got creative and tempted to make a lifesteal power renegade build; it's actually really fun; but lacks some of the oomth I get on my holo or soulbeast. When I lost 430-500, I knew that that small difference could've been saved with a better character on my end. So I'm done with Renegade again, and probably Herald as well for now. It's fun, but you can't expect to play every match as Rev, but it can work with the right enemy composition.

people pay attention to metabattle?!

@LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:people pay attention to metabattle?!

Devs do, as far as Quaggan knows, and for example Rev has pretty high rating (91%) on metabattle, which doesn't make any sense.

@Morwath.9817 said:

@LucianTheAngelic.7054 said:people pay attention to metabattle?!

yep, metabattle is shit

@Jinks.2057 said:

@"Alveen.7239" said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Clearly revenant is only massively underrepresented because everyone who plays it is on average worse then for the other classes and if skilled players actually played it then it would be well represented. Do you actually believe the crap you say?

Also Data: https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/13166/monthly-at-class-representation/p1

@Coolguy.8702 said:

@Jinks.2057 said:

@Coolguy.8702 said:

@Jinks.2057 said:

@Alveen.7239 said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

There's no trolling just someone who plays em all

@ArthurDent.9538 said:

@Jinks.2057 said:

@"Alveen.7239" said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

What would happen if Mirage & Scourge were put in check?

@Jinks.2057 said:

@ArthurDent.9538 said:

@Jinks.2057 said:

@"Alveen.7239" said:No rev is not fine, if it was fine threads like this wouldn’t exist in the first place.

Depending on by how much, representation would obviously improve, best case scenario (from a rev perspective) those builds are completely removed from competitive play and herald becomes a poor man's tools holosmith. Though none of that matters for now because balance is all relative, you can say that rev is great it is just bad in this meta, but the meta is what defines what is good in the first place, not some arbitrary standard of good or bad, therefore because rev is bad in this meta it is bad overall. Rev is bad in this meta because it is hard countered by several top tier threats (scourge, mirage, thief) while not in turn being a counter to anything relevant and not having a niche role that it excels at, like thief has mobility.

I don't think the problem is that rev is weak, so much as other things, many if which hard counter us, are overturned as fuck. If scourge, mirage, and firebrand get nerfed I think we'd see rev in a lot healthier spot.

I would like to see them make the class actually feel complete though. And renegade needs a lot of work, it is hilariously terrible. Short bow even more. Other feel of play fixes like increasing the cast speed or completely reworking the animation on sword 5 so it doesn't miss if your target just walks in a different direction after cast would be nice.

@andrenaline.4286 said:Power shiro is kitten good .You dont see people playing reveand cause you cant faceroll over your keyboard and win.You need to know at least 5 of your spells.You see scourges cause you dont need to read the spells ,, just press F1-F2-F3-F4-F5 - 5-4-3-2-F3-F4-3-4-F1-f5 , you cant do that with reveant And yes reveant can 3 shots a scourge

Yeah, I pretty much farm terribad scourges which plague platinum. Too bad I'd still die after a single mistake and it's not like it's possible to 1v1 any somewhat good scourge either.

@shadowpass.4236 said:Power rev's damage is insane. I was running a menders druid with 21k health and a revenant using s/s hit me 3 times when I was at full health and I died.

Wooow...mender druid has guts to say it's fine? Didn't you tell us you were top 4 druid or something?

Dayum, NA ranked standards are really low.