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  • Avigrus.2871Avigrus.2871 Member ✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    No, I play WvW only (used to PvP some as well).

  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    @Vulf.3098 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @Vulf.3098 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @Vulf.3098 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @Vulf.3098 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Sometimes wonder if half of the people talking about toxic raiders even bothered to try raids properly in the first place or if they are simply repeating that stereotype because of something they heard second hand? Also makes me wonder why most people in the raiding guilds I know aren't even close to being that way.
    Guess I am just lucky.

    On the actual numbers: Why would anyone consider these low numbers in any way representable for the overall population? Not to mention that raids should indeed be considered a huge success if 15% of the overall population actually raided regularly.

    I would be amazed if it was 15% to be honest. Anet said that 20% "tried" raids. I would imagine far less continued on with them.

    Even if it was as low as 5% of the population that is still a very acceptable number for content that is supposed to be niche. It would be problem if raiding was the main focal point in the game which is not and should never be.

    The problem is,if they set it up so that Raids are "End game" then everyone will want to do them. Now in games that have raids from the start, it's not such a big matter, as everyone walking in knows they need to either get gud, or they wont be end -game.

    Some games have varying raids, like easy Raids, Hard Raids, and often the solution to most of these games is power creep. Power Creep allows more casual players to level beyond a raid, and then do it, maybe for the story, or maybe because of a look or even in some cases the raid gear is still better then the higher level loot-gen gear, so it's worth it to hem to still do the Raid over level. So there is still a motive.. and all the "hard core" players have moved on to the next harder raid.

    MMO's built that way.. work.. because that kind of system works with that kind of game content.

    In a game like GW2, it does not work as well, because there is no leveling power creep, thus the raids become stagnant, those that do them will memorize them to the point that they are trivial and boring, and this demand harder and harder content.

    Where in games like WoW that was easily provided by a level up, a new raid that was harder then the last one, and the gear that will make it easy is locked behind the raid itself., by the time people master that content, they put out a new expansion, and keep the process going. Perfect for people that enjoy raids and the challenge associated with them.

    GW2 has trapped themselves by saying they would have no Level-Up power creep. So the raids we have today will remain max level.. and for raiders they will spiral down to bland and boring. and for those that can't do them they will remain forever out of their reach.

    GW2 was in every way, the wrong game set up to add raids.

    Games like WoW were perfect in their game set up and system for Raids.

    You can see it in this topic alone, people get their armor, their gear, and.. then.. much like Dungeons after you got the gear,, Raids lose their shine. If the rewards in raids remain Good, people will farm them like they did CoF, and much like CoF farm, if you were not experienced and and didn't have the right build.. you would pretty much never going to get into a group.

    It's not "Raids" that are the problem. Raids are amazing in some games, they are the games life blood,.. but GW2 is just the wrong game system for them.

    There is no true end game in Gw2 which makes the rest of your post completely irrelevant.

    if that was true.. no one would have asked for raids

    You are really confused on what end game is and means.

    End game is content that you do for character power progression which doesn't really exist in this game at least in the form of Raiding, PvP'ing, WvW fractals etc.. which is considering end game in other games because the best gear and character stat increasing is tied to it. You choose to Raid and PvP because that is your preferred content.

    LOL.. sure.. keep telling yourself that.
    I've had this exchange more times then I care to admit. sorry.. not worth the effort to do it again.

    Being wrong is not the end of the world.

    I'll take your word on that.

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  • No, not interested.

    @Vulf.3098 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Sometimes wonder if half of the people talking about toxic raiders even bothered to try raids properly in the first place or if they are simply repeating that stereotype because of something they heard second hand? Also makes me wonder why most people in the raiding guilds I know aren't even close to being that way.
    Guess I am just lucky.

    On the actual numbers: Why would anyone consider these low numbers in any way representable for the overall population? Not to mention that raids should indeed be considered a huge success if 15% of the overall population actually raided regularly.

    I would be amazed if it was 15% to be honest. Anet said that 20% "tried" raids. I would imagine far less continued on with them.

    Even if it was as low as 5% of the population that is still a very acceptable number for content that is supposed to be niche. It would be problem if raiding was the main focal point in the game which is not and should never be.

    if only those 5 % paid for them , it would be acceptable
    since they arent...no

  • Rinn.2375Rinn.2375 Member ✭✭
    No, not interested.

    I want dungeons back :(

    Need a functional brain for asura researchers. I mean it! The last 10 story steps I made in the game were started, included or concluded with the "an asura really really kittened it up" plot twist :P

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Auri.1365 said:

    GW2 raids are not, of course, tuned for the most optimal party setup. However, they are tuned to at least offer a challenge to players who are going to bring the optimal. Given the difference in effectiveness, that means that a lot of builds which are adequate anywhere else in GW2 (other than, perhaps, ranked PvP or premade WvW groups) are more likely to fail.

    You can for example do Gorse (no updraft, so with high dps check) with a non-meta setup. Our main chrono tank wasn't there and another exp chrono didn't have time either. So we had a semi exp chrono with no tank gear and me with hardly any experience on chrono and no tank gear as well.
    So in the end we had a scourge as tank, two not very exp chronos, a newbie who hasn't done Gorse before and in general people not playing their usual class/role.
    And it still worked.
    (BTW my guild raids casually and we don't even do full clears and most of us just do average dps)

    There are many builds and setups that work without being meta.

    Just to point out, no-updraft Gorseval is not a high dps check unless you literally have no clue what you are doing.
    Its easily doable with chrono, war, druid and 5x PP Thieves doing nothing but aa, unload and thieves guild.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

  • No, not interested.

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

    lol..25 % of total players would be around 2.5 mio
    25% of ACTIVE players would be around 500k
    if this was true, they would had broken all records and statistics

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2018

    I doubt.
    Unless you say they managed to sell 2.5 mil copies.

    I am not sure they managed to sell 700k pof copies yet, but I could be wrong.

    Ps: btw it's just a forum survey, so it couldn't be pretty accurate.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

    lol..25 % of total players would be around 2.5 mio
    25% of ACTIVE players would be around 500k
    if this was true, they would had broken all records and statistics

    GW2 doesn't have (or ever had) 10 mil players

  • Taygus.4571Taygus.4571 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

    lol..25 % of total players would be around 2.5 mio
    25% of ACTIVE players would be around 500k
    if this was true, they would had broken all records and statistics

    GW2 doesn't have (or ever had) 10 mil players

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/09/22/guild-wars-2-counts-11-million-players/

    Although, no doubt many of these are multiple accounts from the same user.
    And I'm sure it's a far cry from the active player base.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2018
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    @Taygus.4571 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

    lol..25 % of total players would be around 2.5 mio
    25% of ACTIVE players would be around 500k
    if this was true, they would had broken all records and statistics

    GW2 doesn't have (or ever had) 10 mil players

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/09/22/guild-wars-2-counts-11-million-players/

    Although, no doubt many of these are multiple accounts from the same user.
    And I'm sure it's a far cry from the active player base.

    This article provides false information. The infographic from PoF release talked about 11 mil accounts. This means F2P aswell. You have no way to count exact number of players using this data. There are people having multiple paid accounts and god knows how many F2P accounts. These factors inflated the number. It looks nice on paper but when you think about it it's not that impressive. Not to mention it most likely covers banned accounts aswell.

  • Taygus.4571Taygus.4571 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Taygus.4571 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

    lol..25 % of total players would be around 2.5 mio
    25% of ACTIVE players would be around 500k
    if this was true, they would had broken all records and statistics

    GW2 doesn't have (or ever had) 10 mil players

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/09/22/guild-wars-2-counts-11-million-players/

    Although, no doubt many of these are multiple accounts from the same user.
    And I'm sure it's a far cry from the active player base.

    This article provides false information. The infographic from PoF release talked about 11 mil accounts. This means F2P aswell. You have no way to count exact number of players using this data. There are people having multiple paid accounts and god knows how many F2P accounts. These factors inflated the number. It looks nice on paper but when you think about it it's not that impressive. Not to mention it most likely covers banned accounts aswell.

    I mentioned that below the link.

    Point is, you have no idea either.
    This is all we have to go by.

  • Sykper.6583Sykper.6583 Member ✭✭✭

    While the poll can in no way tell us the real numbers in game, it's worth noting that given the state of the opinion on these forums about raiding, there's still within my expectations the majority that simply isn't interested in them, and a greater than expected % of players who are actively raiding often.

    Even if the real numbers were literally half the participation of the forums which are notoriously critical of literally anything in game, Raids would still be well-played content given their niche intended audience. Naturally that's all speculation again, but if the content is played to an acceptable level that Arenanet wants to have, Raids will continue to be made in their current image. And speaking broadly the informal poll did not counter their claim at all rather one could say it reinforced their numbers.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    @Taygus.4571 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Taygus.4571 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @battledrone.8315 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Almost 50 % not interested + tried and didn't work out for them.

    And also 25% players do raid.

    Definitely good.

    A dedicated subforum for those who are having hard time setting up a pug could be useful in order to semplify it all and Bring in more players.

    But really the results are definitely good.

    lol..25 % of total players would be around 2.5 mio
    25% of ACTIVE players would be around 500k
    if this was true, they would had broken all records and statistics

    GW2 doesn't have (or ever had) 10 mil players

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/09/22/guild-wars-2-counts-11-million-players/

    Although, no doubt many of these are multiple accounts from the same user.
    And I'm sure it's a far cry from the active player base.

    This article provides false information. The infographic from PoF release talked about 11 mil accounts. This means F2P aswell. You have no way to count exact number of players using this data. There are people having multiple paid accounts and god knows how many F2P accounts. These factors inflated the number. It looks nice on paper but when you think about it it's not that impressive. Not to mention it most likely covers banned accounts aswell.

    I mentioned that below the link.

    Point is, you have no idea either.
    This is all we have to go by.

    But what I said is true. GW2 doesn't have and never had 10 mil players. Period.

  • Other (State your thought).

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Anet has better numbers. The numbers of this poll show the number of people who visit the forum who raid. I suspect this poll is skewed, since I"m fairly sure most of the game's population doesn't frequently the forums. The more vested people are in the game over all, the more likely they are to be here, and the more likely they are to raid. I'd be surprised if 85% of the game's active population has ever set foot in a raid.

    Hun...I honestly think there are more people on the forums than in the game most nights. I know it seems a kitten thing to say but...I really do wonder sometimes.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @Taltevus.3289 said:

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Anet has better numbers. The numbers of this poll show the number of people who visit the forum who raid. I suspect this poll is skewed, since I"m fairly sure most of the game's population doesn't frequently the forums. The more vested people are in the game over all, the more likely they are to be here, and the more likely they are to raid. I'd be surprised if 85% of the game's active population has ever set foot in a raid.

    Hun...I honestly think there are more people on the forums than in the game most nights. I know it seems a kitten thing to say but...I really do wonder sometimes.

    Way off topic mate. But even if your point was true, and I seriously doubt it, you'd be proving my point. If more people are on the forums than the game, than any forum poll would give numbers that wouldn't reflect the reality of the game either. Anet's numbers on who's actually raiding would be better.

    Actually Anet's numbers would count me and my wife as raiding and we both dislike what raiding has done to the game.

  • No, not interested.

    Agree with the time commit and toxicity comments.

    Would be much more interested in most multiplayer instanced content if devs provided more variability and less scripted material.

    I don't mind some simon-says but the training necessary to learn to follow some arbitray script (rub your head in the green circle now scratch your nose in the blue circle) does not appeal to me.

  • Rhiannon.1726Rhiannon.1726 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    @qbalrog.8017 said:
    Agree with the time commit and toxicity comments.

    Would be much more interested in most multiplayer instanced content if devs provided more variability and less scripted material.

    I don't mind some simon-says but the training necessary to learn to follow some arbitray script (rub your head in the green circle now scratch your nose in the blue circle) does not appeal to me.

    What do you mean with „viriability“? Something like a 25% chance, that either w, x, y or z happens?

    I don’t think that would be good, because it would make raiding more difficult to learn, especially for groups that don’t play often.
    It also would mean „luck“ or RNG, wether you get the easier mechanic or the mechanic your group (or group composition) is better prepared for, or if you get the mechanic you hardly can handle.

  • Sister Saxifrage.7361Sister Saxifrage.7361 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2018
    Yes, sometimes.

    I'm on the absolute periphery of raiding; I bring my fractal-tuned heal druid (/condi soulbeast but no one's ever asked for that) to our weekly training run. It's about supporting my guildies in a group activity, more than it is about success. I enjoy it because they're my guildies, and because they're my guildies the education does not dissolve into the ocean of anonymous mediocrity. We will succeed eventually. But I could not tolerate the same process with a PUG (see: ocean), and I don't have a stable enough schedule to join a static, so that's all the raiding I do. Fractals are much more my speed.

  • Oldirtbeard.9834Oldirtbeard.9834 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    Other, I play a Power Reaper so no one wants me.

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  • Yes, regularly.

    @Oldirtbeard.9834 said:
    Other, I play a Power Reaper so no one wants me.

    I take my power reaper to KC some weeks for the lols.

  • qbalrog.8017qbalrog.8017 Member ✭✭
    edited January 17, 2018
    No, not interested.

    @Rhiannon.1726 said:
    What do you mean with „viriability“? Something like a 25% chance, that either w, x, y or z happens?

    I don’t think that would be good, because it would make raiding more difficult to learn, especially for groups that don’t play often.
    It also would mean „luck“ or RNG, wether you get the easier mechanic or the mechanic your group (or group composition) is better prepared for, or if you get the mechanic you hardly can handle.

    Ultimately I mean rethinking what an instance is. Mix things up. Start with a slate of foes. Change where things are. Make the challenge thinking on your feet rather than memorizing a script. The game doesn't have to be 'waste time clearing trash' so that you can fight the exact same fight over and over again. Instead I'd like to go in, see what it throws at me and frankly not face the same thing the next time. I'd like to be able to pick a scaling difficulty level so I could work up to the point where I might succeed about half the time.

    It is a different mind set but seems like a much better way to leverage dev resources to me since it encourages replay.

    I don't like tabletop rpgs run on rails yet most instances are worse than almost any ref. Thou shall stand here, then here then here. Thou shall cc then dps then cc. And if you don't have quite the dps then thou shall flat on your face.

    But it is sadly easier to script. Not begrudging those who like it but did enough of that in wow for a lifetime. Not going to do it here.

  • Yes, regularly.

    Yes I do raid.
    Raid is fun when played with a close knit of friends, however, joining a PUG group could sometimes go down south. xD

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 18, 2018
    Yes, sometimes.

    @yLoon.5289 said:
    Yes I do raid.
    Raid is fun when played with a close knit of friends, however, joining a PUG group could sometimes go down south. xD

    Sometimes Pugs can be really great, other times it can incredibly stressful. I’ve had to full out stop playing due to some of the verbal abuse.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    Im throwing oil in the fire but kitten it. These % to me dont really imply the whole "only the 2-5% of the population raid"

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Ye i hope they're seeing that 30%~ of the playerbase are raiding.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:

    @witcher.3197 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Yes, I too hope they make decisions based on an online poll with less than 100 participants /s

    Just imagine the incredible number of participants at the time of that post!

    Anyway, I find it amusing that raid participation votes ("regularly" and "sometimes") constantly hover at 25-30% combined. That's not too far away from the numbers you can reasonably deduce from gw2efficiency and, more importantly, it seems like a very healthy number for niche content.

    kitten DEMOLISHED LUL :p

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    @TheGrimm.5624 said:

    @Ayumi Spender.1082 said:
    Does "I do raid training" count?

    No, its doesn't.

    But to further state, trying to quantify how many raid and how many don't. ANet has access to numbers we don't but hasn't shared, so trying to see if opinions are on mark or off with the limited sampling the forum can provide. Any votes are most welcome. Thanks for your time!

    Why is training not acountable? Its basically an "im interesting and start getiing into it"

  • Other (State your thought).

    I'm planning to! I haven't gotten the stuff necessary for it yet (proper gear, elite specializations) but I'm very interested in raiding.

  • Cynn.1659Cynn.1659 Member ✭✭✭
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    Well, i tried but nobody wants to accept me with my power reaper.

  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2018
    No, not interested.

    @zealex.9410 said:

    Ye i hope they're seeing that 30%~ of the playerbase are raiding.

    I find it more than ironic that the same people who point out that the forum population is a vocal minority are the same vocal minority screaming in favor of raids. And as of this comment, 61% of those polled say they are not. We don't need to discuss the mathematics of greater than and less than, do we? In case we do, 60 percent beats 30.

    Just so we're clear.

    No longer posting or playing.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    Ye i hope they're seeing that 30%~ of the playerbase are raiding.

    I find it more than ironic that the same people who point out that the forum population is a vocal minority are the same vocal minority screaming in favor of raids. And as of this comment, 61% of those polled say they are not. We don't need to discuss the mathematics of greater than and less than, do we? In case we do, 60 percent beats 30.

    Just so we're clear.

    I know basic math. The arguement here is that 30% is not 2 or 5%. And vocal minorities work both ways.

  • No, no group don't want to pug.

    Can't be tied down to the game due to real life, and pugs are either constant wipes, or I'm not geared well enough in eyes of others.
    I would like to one day, but don't think I'll be able to.

  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 19, 2018
    No, not interested.

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    Ye i hope they're seeing that 30%~ of the playerbase are raiding.

    I find it more than ironic that the same people who point out that the forum population is a vocal minority are the same vocal minority screaming in favor of raids. And as of this comment, 61% of those polled say they are not. We don't need to discuss the mathematics of greater than and less than, do we? In case we do, 60 percent beats 30.

    Just so we're clear.

    And vocal minorities work both ways.

    Actually, no, it doesn't. You can't discredit one group under the same criteria that you then give another credit for just because you like one viewpoint as opposed to the other. That's more than hypocritical. It also shows how deeply flawed the raider's 'vocal minority' of the forums argument is. You're the vocal minority not only on these forums, but also in the game.

    And given that ANet has repeatedly voiced that their resources are limited? Seems strange to focus so much content on only 30% of a vocal minority when 70% of the overall population will never see nor touch it, don't you think? Regardless of all that, the thread has more than run its course . . . and the numbers are in. Despite the current and political thinking, thirty percent of one-hundred are not good numbers.

    Trying to twist that to look good is simply reaching.

    No longer posting or playing.

  • No, not interested.

    I'd rather not deal with how toxic some raiders can be so the answer is no.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    Ye i hope they're seeing that 30%~ of the playerbase are raiding.

    I find it more than ironic that the same people who point out that the forum population is a vocal minority are the same vocal minority screaming in favor of raids. And as of this comment, 61% of those polled say they are not. We don't need to discuss the mathematics of greater than and less than, do we? In case we do, 60 percent beats 30.

    Just so we're clear.

    And vocal minorities work both ways.

    Actually, no, it doesn't. You can't discredit one group under the same criteria that you then give another credit for just because you like one viewpoint as opposed to the other. That's more than hypocritical. It also shows how deeply flawed the raider's 'vocal minority' of the forums argument is. You're the vocal minority not only on these forums, but also in the game.

    And given that ANet has repeatedly voiced that their resources are limited? Seems strange to focus so much content on only 30% of a vocal minority when 70% of the overall population will never see nor touch it, don't you think? Regardless of all that, the thread has more than run its course . . . and the numbers are in. Despite the current and political thinking, thirty percent of one-hundred are not good numbers.

    Trying to twist that to look good is simply reaching.

    Im not being a hyprocrite. I just drew attention to the fact that 30% and more of the ppl here are interested and raid. Thats a note worthy number considering raids are the best way for anet to get trafic on sites such as utube and twitch outside of expansions.

    I dont recall calling minorities on the forums to help promote my agenda in the past either. Im aware that the raiding community is not the majority but i didnt subscribe to false logic like the 5% that ppl throw around like its candy. Im using this as an example since it provides us with some numbers even if they are limited in scope to further support my point that the minority is not so tiny as ppl like to say.

  • SuperduperMLGbsns.9345SuperduperMLGbsns.9345 Member ✭✭
    edited January 19, 2018
    Yes, regularly.

    Started around 8 months ago from 0 and Im at almost 300 LI now.
    I do my runs every week with pugs because Im a late/nightshift worker with no fixed weekend that makes it very difficult to find a static group. Have seen ALOT groups and actually think toxicity isnt really a problem in most cases. People just get nervous if things go really wrong, like when one guy constantly using reflect on Cairn and wipes the whole group several times in a row. The only thing that IS a problem is the LI requirement, especially on mondays, that is way too high for my taste. On the flipside I see people with 100+ being so bad that they dont succeed a simple Escort run in under 30mins.

    What people call toxicity there is mostly the fact that they cant just play 'yolo'-builds and actually have to pay attention. Considering the rest of gw2s content this IS an actual problem caused by the lack of required effort players had to have to succeed in that contents. And they just join raids, do literally nothing, are not willing to practice their char a bit and wonder why nobody want them. Even after wiping for several hours Ive seen LOTS of players that couldnt admit that they really need practice at their own chars. But with (just an example, but Ive really seen this) a DH that does 4k dps on VG, which isnt even the autohit dps with quickness, you really need to do something.

    That so called elitsm stuff mostly starts at 509540 LI groups. You can mostly spot these ppl rather quickly and just avoid them. The average pug raid grp has an okay behavior, especially the grps under 100LI. But people in this game are buttmad by the slighest form of criticism and start crying like 3 yrs old children that didnt get a sweet in the supermarket. That is not a problem with the raid comunity actually.

  • nia.4725nia.4725 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2018
    Yes, regularly.

    Yeah, I full clear every week (excepting Dhuum, still training that boss -few training time).

    Raiding is perfectly doable, but it can be difficult to those who can't commit at least 30minutes to try to kill a boss. It can also be difficult to start raiding unless you have a guild or a group of people willing to teach or play with you. But I think it's worth, raids are very fun and the equipment isn't that expensive. You can start with exotics and eventually you'll have enough magnetite shards to buy the ascended gear you need for a small amount of gold.

    I don't think the raiding community is that toxic, either. But yes, toxicity is real. I've had lots of raiders from big and famous raiding guilds disrespecting everyone in the squad, my comm even had to kick one out of the squad. However, I think there are more friendly people than toxic idiots. The pvp community is far more toxic than the raiding one.

    The good thing about raids is that if you have elitist people disrespecting you can kick them, if you're the commander, block them or just leave the squad. You don't need to deal with them.

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  • Bakeneko.5826Bakeneko.5826 Member ✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    Static group logs in to clear new wings, once we can do full clear most of group stop playing, and 99% of pugs are just too bad to play with

  • Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497Leo Schrodingers Cat.2497 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2018
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    @SuperduperMLGbsns.9345 said:
    Started around 8 months ago from 0 and Im at almost 300 LI now.
    I do my runs every week with pugs because Im a late/nightshift worker with no fixed weekend that makes it very difficult to find a static group. Have seen ALOT groups and actually think toxicity isnt really a problem in most cases. People just get nervous if things go really wrong, like when one guy constantly using reflect on Cairn and wipes the whole group several times in a row. The only thing that IS a problem is the LI requirement, especially on mondays, that is way too high for my taste. On the flipside I see people with 100+ being so bad that they dont succeed a simple Escort run in under 30mins.

    What people call toxicity there is mostly the fact that they cant just play 'yolo'-builds and actually have to pay attention. Considering the rest of gw2s content this IS an actual problem caused by the lack of required effort players had to have to succeed in that contents. And they just join raids, do literally nothing, are not willing to practice their char a bit and wonder why nobody want them. Even after wiping for several hours Ive seen LOTS of players that couldnt admit that they really need practice at their own chars. But with (just an example, but Ive really seen this) a DH that does 4k dps on VG, which isnt even the autohit dps with quickness, you really need to do something.

    That so called elitsm stuff mostly starts at 509540 LI groups. You can mostly spot these ppl rather quickly and just avoid them. The average pug raid grp has an okay behavior, especially the grps under 100LI. But people in this game are buttmad by the slighest form of criticism and start crying like 3 yrs old children that didnt get a sweet in the supermarket. That is not a problem with the raid comunity actually.

    No, what people call toxicity is founded. Your biggest critic is always the guy who's strict about Li requirements but is also the worst player in that group. He'll often refuse this claim even when you have evidence from a DPS meter.

    At some point I just gave up on raiding in gw2 for a whole mess of reasons, and pretty much stuck to fractals, pvp, and pve.

  • Yes, regularly.

    Yes, started raiding with the release of Spirit Vale and it has now become my main source of entertainment in the game (~1161 LI). I normally clear on monday with my guild then spend the rest of the week joining PUG runs with friends for fun. We mainly try and join/host training runs just to help others get their clear, there's no better feeling than seeing someone kill a raid boss for their first time.

    Aside from one or two isolated incidents, I can't say I see much that I'd describe as toxic. Mainly just people being removed from groups if they clearly have no idea what they are doing, which is justified. I join/host loads of groups without LI requirements, so they do exist. I also rarely see groups with a requirement higher than 250LI (Except for highly specific things like Dhuum CM). In general, I can see why LI/KP pinging is a thing, but not sure it is massively necessary outside of certain bosses (e.g Dhuum).

  • Roda.7468Roda.7468 Member ✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    I don't, but I would like to. The only things keeping me from regularly doing it is 1, I don't have the time, and 2, I don't like the idea of having to switch to an alt or completely different loadout because my build is completely countered by a couple of bosses.

  • needbeer.1687needbeer.1687 Member ✭✭
    edited February 11, 2018
    Other (State your thought).

    i voted other. heres why i dont raid.many many years ago a great game called guild wars 1 came on the scene. people in the game were awesome. there was a " play what you want to play" mentality that in many cases still exist in that game even to this day.and even a group of pugs playing whatever could easily clear fissure of woe even in hard mode. a group of pugs could also do urgoz or the deep.there was a sence of true diversity in that game. guild wars 2 simply dosent have it. so many people dont seem to understand that some people are just better at a certian class and are horrible for others. thats just how it is.for instance. i main necro. i dont get to raid. why? because im usually the last one alive thanks to my time in wvw. we dont have the /gg option. we fight till we die. ive been kicked from many groups for that reason even tho the vale guardian,as an example,was at 5% health when everyone but me went down. this has happened many times.guild wars 2 the people want you to run a specific thing on a specific class or you get kicked. theres no diversity. no sence of fair play like the guild wars 1 days.simply pot. arena net has lost its way. its all about raiding and pvp now. they are even ruining wvw.its all about a money grab. and raids get that cash.dungeons were a huge part of gw1. in gw2 they got left behind for fractals.which are a step below raids.i personally spent 90% of my time in wvw.before that it was dungeons. they ruined both. and now i, like many others, are looking and playing new games because of the bitter disappointment arena delivered. also im still upset, and im not the only one, they took one of the most important things in guild wars 1,fighting dhuum,into a raid boss.this,and so many other things are a slap in the face to those of us who made this game possible in the first place.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yes I raid. full clear once a week pug way at raid reset. General full clear for w1 to w4 is 2 hours and a few minutes more and w5 still depends on group as ppl are still getting used to the new wings. Thursday to Sunday no raid unless I hv nothing better to do.. ppl say you need to hv a static group.. join guild.. but it's possible to pug all ur raids. Get toughen up and play the game instead of complaining so much. Play the game more..

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  • Yes, regularly.

    This is why I think Anet should create separate section of forum for raids. There are large number of ppl who absolutely has no interest in raid at all and will not support any raid but has to be hanging around in raid forum because all the forums are joined up ..It's like a click bait to them .. when they read something and be involved in the raud related discussion.. it doesn't help but to make discussion out of the course. Kindly request a separate forum section for raid.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    @miku.3025 said:
    This is why I think Anet should create separate section of forum for raids. There are large number of ppl who absolutely has no interest in raid at all and will not support any raid but has to be hanging around in raid forum because all the forums are joined up ..It's like a click bait to them .. when they read something and be involved in the raud related discussion.. it doesn't help but to make discussion out of the course. Kindly request a separate forum section for raid.

    Special place for you already exists: https://www.reddit.com/r/gw2raiders/

  • Anvil.9230Anvil.9230 Member ✭✭
    edited February 13, 2018
    Yes, regularly.

    I regulary play raid since mid december. The other part of the game I play the most is WvW.

    I think they are a challenge for an average player like me without to be too complex. It take me on month and a half to unlock the legendary armor, playing only with the LFG (no guild): It's possible to play raid, and it's reasonnably difficult.

    I'll continue to play them, of course to complete the LI I need to finish the 6 pieces of the legendary armor (In one month and a half I had enough to craft two pieces), but although because I apreciate the coordination challenge of the raids...finally perhaps because it's not different from the coordination players need to have to obtain a performant WvW zerg.

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