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Joko's (stupid?) invasion strategy.


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Because deploying troops blind directly into a enemy strongpoint is just asking for them to be annihilated. Portaling them in away from enemy forces allow the troops to assemble and organize themselves.

Do note that both Zhaitan and Mordremoth where both capable of deploying minions to far flung locations without warning. So the military forces of Tyria are already well experienced with spontaneously appearing hostile forces. Chances are that any Awakened portal spawned near Tyrian positions would get immediately spawncamped by said Tyrian forces.

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@Crinn.7864 said:Because deploying troops blind directly into a enemy strongpoint is just asking for them to be annihilated. Portaling them in away from enemy forces allow the troops to assemble and organize themselves.

That'd be true if he had chosen maps like Brisban, Kessex, etc. But he chose the closest ones to cities, I don't think those attacks, so close to cities, will be unseen from city's authorities so he could have as well attacked cities directly.

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@Zaraki.5784 said:Aside from plot (and the difficulty of making city-scale events like Attack on Lion's Arch in the old days), why didn't Joko ported his minions in major cities, instead of open world maps? That'd have caused much more civilian deaths and fear into Tyrians.

I think he did. Didn't Braham and Rox say they came through a portal that opened in Hoelbrak? It's just not something the devs will show for city mechanics reasons.

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Based on the optional dialogue in "The First City", some Awakened (whether sent by the real Joko or someone impersonating Joko) did appear in Hoelbrak, at least, which is why Braham and Rox entered the portal that took them to Elona to begin with:

Braham Eirsson: Rox and I were in Hoelbrak trying to figure out how to get to Jormag , since you put him to sleep under a mountain of ice.
Rox: These portals just started opening up all around the city. Then those..."Awaked," you call them? ...Started pouring out.
Rox: These were different from normal asura gates. They just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

Given that the Awakened invaded Hoelbrak full of norn, however, that invasion apparently ended badly for the invaders as one norn can likely squash at least ten Awakened at once without breaking a sweat. It's possible that the Black Citadel and other capital cities may have also suffered from these brief attacks depending on how the portals were calibrated, or Hoelbrak was an anomaly among the invasions which are now centered on areas near the capitals. :)

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@Zaraki.5784 said:Aside from plot (and the difficulty of making city-scale events like Attack on Lion's Arch in the old days), why didn't Joko ported his minions in major cities, instead of open world maps? That'd have caused much more civilian deaths and fear into Tyrians.

Because he's not stupid. You need to send some scouts before you send the whole army, that's how the war looks, and all the preparations before it. First rule is: Know your enemy, so know who you're dealing with, and Joko knows that.

Also his plan is to see the Commander's pain. He thankfully didn't know that Taimi is on our side, if she would, then she would be dead by now. He'll try to kill every member of our guild, he will start with civilians, and then he will strike the leaders and us. And only strong will be able to survive.

We must prepare the summit.

Jennah, Smodur, Knut, the Pale Tree and Flax I think.

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Well right now Joko is spreading his forces at the wrong time. Why?

First his kingdom got into a short war with Balthazar and his forces. Forged were attacking a good amount of Vabbi and it wouldn'T surprise me if they didn't inflicted a good amount of casualties.Second. Kralkatorrik split his Kingdom at Kourna by just flying over there. Kourna is split in North-Kourna and South-Kourna and crossing the Brand there wouldn't be easy due to a goo amount of brandstorms. If something bad for Joko happens south he wouldn't be able to send in troops fast enough.And now due to the War with Balthazar being cut off from reinforcements, the leaders in Istan starved the common people there, just to get enough for themselves, which now results in a full blown Civil War. The Issnur Isles declared independence and the Awakened with the Morden Crescent couldn't conquer Issnur. Now thanks to the harsh treatment, the Sunspears get more and more support from the people. So much that they have quite a good amount of recruits there. And the Sunspears grew powerful enough to raid the Great Hall and Palawadan for supplies, while also killing quite a lot of loyalist soldiers and their leaders. These raids prove that Jokos will can be defied sucessfully and he doesn't do anything about it, the rebellion will also go to South-Kourna and affect that part of his Kingdom ( depending on the level of indoctrination this nation went and how their Situation is now ).

What Joko should be doing now is the following. Ignore Tyria for a while instead of making yourself a threat to them and risking that those nations go to war with him, the Asura built even a device to predict the next attacks now. Use that teleportation technology to send an army to pacify Istan and stomp the rebellion there, before even thinking about attacking Tyria.

Right now he has a civil war at his doorsteps and he is risking his kingdom with his attacks on Tyria. If Tyria goes to war with him, he needs something like a WMD to win this. ( Perhaps he plans the Scarab Plague to be this ? ) Otherwise his Kingdom will get stomped.

@Arden: I think Joko knew that Taimii is with the Commander and this is why he set up her death to be as traumatically as possible. He wants the Commander to feel great pain. Both know of the Domain of the Lost and how spirits go there and that spirits in this domain have the risk of never knowing again who they were etc. Or in other words, their spirits would never be able to rest in peace. Just killing her wouldn't be enough. But being asphyxiated in her own golem, while also watching how that golem would attack and possibly kill her friends? THATS traumatic and a sureway ticket into that domain and the Commander would never know if her spirit would ever find peace. Which would be much more devastating for the commander than just a Taimii that got quickly killed.

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@Zaraki.5784 said:

@Crinn.7864 said:Because deploying troops blind directly into a enemy strongpoint is just asking for them to be annihilated. Portaling them in away from enemy forces allow the troops to assemble and organize themselves.

That'd be true if he had chosen maps like Brisban, Kessex, etc. But he chose the closest ones to cities, I don't think those attacks, so close to cities, will be unseen from city's authorities so he could have as well attacked cities directly.

There is a very large difference between having your deployment observed by the enemy, and having your deployment immediately engaged by the enemy. A deployment outside the cities means that forces within the city will not be able to immediately counterattack the deploying Awakened, while deploying into the city means that the awakened would be under attack the moment their foot comes through the portal.

We also don't know how much Joko knows about Tyrian military capabilities. If the Inquest lab merely held maps, then Joko would not want to deploy his forces blindly. If the Inquest Lab did include detailed reports, then Joko would not want to deploy because even a cursory look at the cities would reveal that deploying into them would be suicidal. Hoelbrak and Black Citadel both have highly militant populations. Not to mention that the black citadel seems to have a armored division permanently stationed within it's limits. Rata Sum is packed with magitech defenses, and there is good evidence that most golems seem to have some level of combat capabilities. The Grove is literally made of a singular intelligent flora entity that is definitively hostile to the awakened. Divinity's Reach and Ebonhawk both feature massive perimeter walls which would allow the defenders of those cities to easily turn the exterior facing defenses inwards, and thus turn the interior of those cities into a shooting gallery.

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@"Zaraki.5784" said:Aside from plot (and the difficulty of making city-scale events like Attack on Lion's Arch in the old days), why didn't Joko ported his minions in major cities, instead of open world maps? That'd have caused much more civilian deaths and fear into Tyrians.

He did teleport them directly into cities. Braham and Rox outright state portals opened throughout Hoelbrak.

Braham Eirsson: Rox and I were in Hoelbrak trying to figure out how to get to Jormag , since you put him to sleep under a mountain of ice.Rox: These portals just started opening up all around the city. Then those..."Awaked," you call them? ...Started pouring out.Rox: These were different from normal asura gates. They just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

We're only seeing them in the 1-15 zones because ArenaNet doesn't want to turn cities - which are supposed to be places to relax - into warzones. Especially starter cities and especially permanently, if these stick around like Season 3's Side Stories.

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@Arden.7480 said:

@"Zaraki.5784" said:Aside from plot (and the difficulty of making city-scale events like Attack on Lion's Arch in the old days), why didn't Joko ported his minions in major cities, instead of open world maps? That'd have caused much more civilian deaths and fear into Tyrians.

Because he's not stupid. You need to send some scouts before you send the whole army, that's how the war looks, and all the preparations before it. First rule is: Know your enemy, so know who you're dealing with, and Joko knows that.

Also his plan is to see the Commander's pain. He thankfully didn't know that Taimi is on our side, if she would, then she would be dead by now. He'll try to kill every member of our guild, he will start with civilians, and then he will strike the leaders and us. And only strong will be able to survive.

We must prepare the summit.

Jennah, Smodur, Knut, the Pale Tree and Flax I think.

Joko did send scouts. Remember the small mobs added with Halloween? They were said to be sent because "someone pissed Joko off" (effectively). That would have been the Commander.

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There is a second lab out there. We saw it through the primary gate, it had at least three asura gates visible through ours (so four gates). That's probably the "Inquest lab" that Braham and Rox mention having gone through before arriving at Fahranur. So we didn't shut down all the portals - just about half, at best.

This is also why we're now seeing Awakened portal invasions in the zones outside of cities (which OP is referring to). We're seeing the continued invasion from the other lab (and perhaps elsewhere).

People have been theorizing it's the cube in the water between Istan and Dajkah on the world map.

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How you DARE to question or doubt king joko wisdom act?!Foolish mortal you must be death 10time when alive and aweaken you to killing again 100time!

lol just kiding--->>Ok back to topic.

He will start to riot aroud tyria make them big chaos and showoff his aweaken is step foot at your doorstep.He just let you know his aweken army can come in/out whatever he need , win or lose he not care ,he just need to let tyria know aweaken is here.for now...

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my bet

The plan is to attract the armies of Tyria to Elona, where there is the great Kralkatorrik boy. If the Dragon sweeps these armies, Joko will have a free hand to invade Tyria, if the armies kill the Dragon, Joko will have a trick to absorb his powers, hes building a win-win scenario for him.

At the end of the LS4 chapter we know that Pact will be contacted. And Braham apparently did not give up on eliminating Jormag. Pact may enter revenge mode and want to kill Kralkatorrik at any cost, Braham will go after Jormag, and the Asuras will invent some machine to eliminate Primordus. The plot will be a race against several fronts of disaster.

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