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Ghosting: A New Concept in WvW

Given all the vitriolic tete-e-tete that exists between PvP and WvW players, I have an idea that I think would enhance the game so much. I don't like it when I am killed. I like it even less when I am killed and the other player laughs, dances or even lies down beside me in mock display of perceived superiority. What about giving every PvP and WvW player a one time daily chance at "ghosting". This would be a "use it or lose it", one time per day chance for every player, to use if they are the "victim" of poor sportsmanship. In essence it would allow a dead player to "rise from the dead" with extra "supernatural" powers to retaliate if they felt they were the victim of such an act of poor sportsmanship. The key would be the psychological effect it would have on a player if they had an urge to rub it in another player after downing them. They might think twice in being a poor sport with the knowledge that the foe they just downed might just have a "ghost resurection" in his back pocket and keep him on his best behavior.

The idea would be a once per day offering of this ability and a "use it or lose it" premise so that a player couldn't hoard them to bias the outcome of a critical match. I saw in Guild Wars 1 a facsimile of such an event when they introduced Dhuum. Dhuum would could in and "humiliate", and kill a player who was misbehaving or exhibiting untoward behavior. Outside of having something like this in game play I would alternatively like to see some form of communication ability between opposing forces in PvP and / or WvW. Just today I would have used it to actually congratulate a player on their demonstrated ability to survive not one but three attacks and ultimately escape. Of course such a way of communication would probably be more often used for insults but not being able to communicate at all is so frustrating.

I fully expect to have this idea shot down but I thought it deserved your attention. I consider myself a good sport but I am human and have natural episodes of aggression during player v player play.
Thank You :)
M. Conrad K.

Comments

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2018

    I wouldn't think too much about it....

    As for communicating: Select the player and use your party tab to invite the player is one option, block the player to get the account name for a whisper and unblock them again to also another option.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    Apologies if I come off as dry or blunt.

  • Would be interesting lol. Suppose something is developed in game to recognize jumping on corpses or throwing siege, or food plates down on a dead player. The dead player now as the ability to resurrect for 5 min invulnerable (hey he's a ghost), has super-speed, triple damage, sees stealth, can teleport all over the place, can haunt players causing a 50% reduction in all stats for say 24 hours (must play in WvW for 24 hours to regain normal stats). It'd certainly make players honest right quick lol.

  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I hate the activity Southsun Survivor, because most of the scrubbiest scrubs camp the spawn point and just shoot people as they come in. So, whenever I HAVE to do that activity, I'll take my death and follow that person around as a ghost targetting them and whatnot till the other person that's alive can hopefully find and murder them.

    If I were a ghost in wvw, I would totally point this person out to either my zerg or the opposing one and sit back and laugh in a little ghost laugh as tey died a quick horrible death.

    [HaHa] Hazardous Hallucination - Sorrows Furnace

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    @DeadlySynz.3471 said:
    Would be interesting lol. Suppose something is developed in game to recognize jumping on corpses or throwing siege, or food plates down on a dead player. The dead player now as the ability to resurrect for 5 min invulnerable (hey he's a ghost), has super-speed, triple damage, sees stealth, can teleport all over the place, can haunt players causing a 50% reduction in all stats for say 24 hours (must play in WvW for 24 hours to regain normal stats). It'd certainly make players honest right quick lol.

    That would be exploited so much there would be entire zergs using it.

  • I like this better:

    When someone dances on a corpse, uninstall the victim's game.

    Power > Condition

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well they could add a random chance for one of the six to appear as someone is dancing or jumping on a corpse [or maybe just a random legend appearing out of the mist to do it] to kill that player. No one would know when it would happen to them, so it might make them more hesitant to display that kind of behaviour. Or maybe they would take any chance until it happens. Either way it would be entertaining to watch, kind of like a russian roulette.

  • @DemonSeed.3528 said:
    Well they could add a random chance for one of the six to appear as someone is dancing or jumping on a corpse [or maybe just a random legend appearing out of the mist to do it] to kill that player. No one would know when it would happen to them, so it might make them more hesitant to display that kind of behaviour. Or maybe they would take any chance until it happens. Either way it would be entertaining to watch, kind of like a russian roulette.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2018

    most of my deaths in wvw causes dancing, laughing, siege thrown at me etc.
    i cant understand that behaviour as i rarely die to less then 3 players so i dont really see their achivement there to joy that much, i am not sure if i shall laugh at such behavior or feel pity for those poor souls..
    my main issue with your suggestion is: i do kill alot of people and they tend to be really salty about it so i expect that will be used alot in fights where i am already outnumbered or to get me out of a keep / tower.
    now if that ability was only activated by corpse jumping/laughin etc then it would be okeish as i dont do that and wont have to figjt it, but : i might be jumping near a corpse cause i am still fighting his mates and there is something i need to jump over to reach another place or i use /laugh cause my opponents used again an anti stealth trap in 10 vs 1 without realizing that i am on a deadeye that doesnt care, maybe i am using a ballista to block projectiles to safe stomp. i do think it is impossible to detect poor sportsmanship and giving the player an option to use that freely, even if limited will mostly cause it to be used to fight players they wouldnt be able to kill else, not against poor sportsmanship, as those corpse jumpers dont stand a chance in an even number fight against their victim, so they will mostly die alot more to their victim anyway during the week.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Off topic but i am curious does people still actually play this game mode and find it entertaining?
    The most broken concept became even more irrelevant when we got combined servers.
    WvW is nothing but more populated server roflmao stomping less populated server.
    You want real competitive play? play spvp
    want to kill some big kitten boss? do raids
    simply wanna run zegs? do open world metas

  • @Pridedemon.3041 said:
    You want real competitive play? play spvp

    I guess sPvP is competitive, if you are competing to be the best scourge among scourge.

    Power > Condition

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    i cant understand that behaviour

    You cant?

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    i am on a deadeye

    I can.

  • Roxanne.6140Roxanne.6140 Member ✭✭✭

    In fact, the devs should create a new emote: feasting on the corpse of fallen players for gaming immersion. With the rise of FPS games like rust and 7 days to die, this will make gw2 more competitive.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2018

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    i cant understand that behaviour

    You cant?

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    i am on a deadeye

    I can.

    :D

    well when fighting less people i would be deadlier on daredevil tho..

    and that doesnt only happen on deadeye, happens on anything i play - but i mostly play thief.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • @ThunderPanda.1872 said:

    @Pridedemon.3041 said:
    You want real competitive play? play spvp

    I guess sPvP is competitive, if you are competing to be the best scourge among scourge.

    Nice try but scourge is among one of the easiest profession to counter if you play any other range profession. If you are dumb enough to try and fight them on point and tank through their aoe blobs then you need your head scanned.
    So WvW is real skill based according to you? 40 people running behind a commander tag killing loners or smaller groups? In WvW it all comes down to numbers game.
    In pvp, at the very least teams are balanced 5 vs 5 and everyone has normalized gear.

  • Doo Lally.8594Doo Lally.8594 Member ✭✭✭

    At one point in the past the corpse jumping used to irritate me but then I just got used to pressing 'm' to bring up the map immediately after I was downed and spam the nearest waypoint. I rarely ever see such behaviour now and it makes for a much less toxic experience.

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:
    At one point in the past the corpse jumping used to irritate me but then I just got used to pressing 'm' to bring up the map immediately after I was downed and spam the nearest waypoint. I rarely ever see such behaviour now and it makes for a much less toxic experience.

    I think for this reason they should have 1 extra wp choice when dead - the normal one when you click brings up map if you want to choose another location that has a wp, and the extra one to automatically choose keep [or spawn if contested/not owned]. Clicking on m and scrolling through map is just an extra hassle at this point.

  • coglin.1496coglin.1496 Member ✭✭✭

    @Michael Conrad.6704 said:
    Given all the vitriolic tete-e-tete that exists between PvP and WvW players,

    You must either create it or look really hard for it, as i see little of this myself.

    I have an idea that I think would enhance the game so much.

    I do not thing "enhance" means what you think it means.

    I don't like it when I am killed.

    Why are you playing PvP game modes then?

    I like it even less when I am killed and the other player laughs, dances or even lies down beside me in mock display of perceived superiority.

    You are reading another player intent and mental state into an "emote". That is irrational and illogical.

    I saw in Guild Wars 1 a facsimile of such an event when they introduced Dhuum. Dhuum would could in and "humiliate", and kill a player

    Talk about bad sportsmanship. You want to be judge, jury, and executioner of anyone who you, with such poor judgment and rational, and who just thoroughly beat you in open combat, in order to humiliate them? I think you also fail to realize that not everyone is as thin-skinned as you may be.

    Outside of having something like this in gameplay I would alternatively like to see some form of communication ability between opposing forces in PvP and / or WvW.

    Come one now, you appear to have difficulty emotionally handling, someone using an emote after defeating you in combat. At what point do you believe your inability to emotionally deal with an emote would drum up public support for the notion that you could emotionally handle actual text communication.

    Do not confuse your objective opinion with that of objective fact. Remember, what you say matters, not what you meant to say.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:
    At one point in the past the corpse jumping used to irritate me but then I just got used to pressing 'm' to bring up the map immediately after I was downed and spam the nearest waypoint. I rarely ever see such behaviour now and it makes for a much less toxic experience.

    You can also pop a balloon or kite when dead to compliment their corpse jumping.

    Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and own you with experience.
    Big Babou, Ranger for life.

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just follow them in stealth and when they go into a camp gank them.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MUDse.7623 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    i cant understand that behaviour

    You cant?

    @MUDse.7623 said:
    i am on a deadeye

    I can.

    :D

    well when fighting less people i would be deadlier on daredevil tho..

    and that doesnt only happen on deadeye, happens on anything i play - but i mostly play thief.

    Exactly.

  • @ThunderPanda.1872 said:
    I like this better:

    When someone dances on a corpse, uninstall the victim's game.

    LMAO !

  • i wave at people when they think i'm easy prey and end up kicking their kitten.

  • Down state should a waypoint button that gives them their bag. I'm outnumbered roaming all the time. I'd like to get back to roaming a little faster.

  • KeoLegend.5132KeoLegend.5132 Member ✭✭✭

    a broken, bad and not healthy idea.
    If ppl are mocking you when they kill you, then get their names, get a good roamer, kill them and do it to them aswell... See? thats much simpler and it Works!

  • Thank you for the laugh. That was hilarious. But I do not see it ever happening. So much potential for abuse, but I love it none the less lol

  • Yeah, I like anime too

  • Sylvyn.4750Sylvyn.4750 Member ✭✭✭

    @Pridedemon.3041 said:
    In pvp, at the very least teams are balanced 5 vs 5 and everyone has normalized gear.

    Which is little consolation when classes aren't balanced related to each other...hence, the previous poster implying everyone runs one class in sPvP...

  • BlaqueFyre.5678BlaqueFyre.5678 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Lol the Salt is real and the jimmies have been rustled it seems. Just move on if someone ganks you and dances or throws siege.

  • Kovu.7560Kovu.7560 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I unknowingly glided into three guilded roamers the other day. Of course they killed me and one of them (an engineer) threw a ram down on me. I continued to watch them and saw that they were heading in the direction of north camp. I was doing guild missions with about 6 guildies at the time so I called to the guild that those three were going north camp. We killed the three of them at north camp with 7. I threw a ram down on the engineer.

    It. Doesn't. Actually. Do. Anything.
    It. Doesn't. Actually. Mean. Anything.

    What goes around comes around. No need to add salt mechanics.

    ~ Kovu

    Ranger main before it was viable.
    Fort Aspenwood.

  • Sasajoe.1509Sasajoe.1509 Member ✭✭
    edited January 16, 2018

    If you play a thief you deserve what you get (dancing & mocking ... too bad there is no /spit emote like in wow)

  • Doo Lally.8594Doo Lally.8594 Member ✭✭✭

    @Offair.2563 said:

    @Doo Lally.8594 said:
    At one point in the past the corpse jumping used to irritate me but then I just got used to pressing 'm' to bring up the map immediately after I was downed and spam the nearest waypoint. I rarely ever see such behaviour now and it makes for a much less toxic experience.

    You can also pop a balloon or kite when dead to compliment their corpse jumping.

    OOOOO - I didn't know that, ty. I'll try that tonight.

  • I think you take getting killed in WvW a little too personally.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sasajoe.1509 said:

    If you play a thief you deserve what you get (dancing & mocking ... too bad there is no /spit emote like in wow)

    sure thief has the tools to avoid death so there is no reason he is dead but will still happen from time to time. if 'cause he could have avoided it' is a reason for that reaction, then i should do that to everyone i kill in an outnumbered situation cause there is absolutly no reason to die there? i would be busy dancing all day long then.

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Velran.1052Velran.1052 Member ✭✭✭

    Can't tell if trolling or legit kitten

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    I love it when 3 to 10 people manage to kill me and then one dances on my corpse . Mainly because I scouted you to my main group which by the time you got me down I delayed you and got you to focus so much on me you didn't realise my entire purpose was to keep you there so that the main group can wipe you.

    A few seconds later your entire group are corpses and I'm up and on my way whilst you have a nice run back from your spawn. I won't dance on your corpses- I'm too busy smiling at the instant karma:-)

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I hope someone here goes on to develop their own game with all the great ideas from the WvW forum, because they won't be going in GW2, that I can guarantee!

    Necro. Never knowingly blasting combo fields since 2012.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 20, 2018

    @Svarty.8019 said:
    I hope someone here goes on to develop their own game with all the great ideas from the WvW forum, because they won't be going in GW2, that I can guarantee!

    Yeah, lets go build our own WvW, with blackjack and hookers! In fact forget about WvW and the blackjack. Ah screw the whole thing.

  • tho you have to be honest that many ideas on the same forum are total garbage.

  • Svarty.8019Svarty.8019 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mogrey.3891 said:
    tho you have to be honest that many ideas on the same forum are total garbage.

    What are you talking about? Every idea is ingenious!

    Necro. Never knowingly blasting combo fields since 2012.

  • Aeolus.3615Aeolus.3615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Svarty.8019 said:
    I hope someone here goes on to develop their own game with all the great ideas from the WvW forum, because they won't be going in GW2, that I can guarantee!

    Yeah, lets go build our own WvW, with blackjack and hookers! In fact forget about WvW and the blackjack. Ah screw the whole thing.

    ur forgoting the jack daniels...

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