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  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Wait.. but there are... different metas... for different game modes/situations in Guild Wars 2...

    Great deduction there, but we are specifically talking about Raids and the impact it has on the Fractal meta, which is Chrono, Druid, Warrior and two DPS. you want to take 5 Necros on your runs, you go for it! I'd much rather not.

    No, we were specifically discussing 5 scourges in fractals concerning mobs, duo bosses and boss with adds like molten boss or ice elemental, ect. ect.

    Gimme some numbers. What dps do you get for killing the Berserker? After that Epi loses a lot of its steam, as you can't bounce it reliably any more, so it will only get worse.

  • @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Wait.. but there are... different metas... for different game modes/situations in Guild Wars 2...

    Great deduction there, but we are specifically talking about Raids and the impact it has on the Fractal meta, which is Chrono, Druid, Warrior and two DPS. you want to take 5 Necros on your runs, you go for it! I'd much rather not.

    No, we were specifically discussing 5 scourges in fractals concerning mobs, duo bosses and boss with adds like molten boss or ice elemental, ect. ect.

    Yet they can't really compete with Night Sigilis, Slaying Potions, Slaying Sigils and Impact Sigils. Power Classes get so many modifiers condi classes simply can't use.
    You also have to account for Phases where your conditions won't do anything and you have to stack them up again. The only fractal where I can see condi as a better option than power is Underground Facility.

    Now most pugs won't play with the above mentioned sigils and depending on how good the group is condi may or may not be the better option. That's the thing. You have to adapt. If you are in a really bad pug group you either leave or swap to Necro and trivialize every piece of content anet could throw at you.

  • Grogba.6204Grogba.6204 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2018

    @RaidsAreEasyAF.8652 said:

    You also have to account for Phases where your conditions won't do anything and you have to stack them up again. The only fractal where I can see condi as a better option than power is Underground Facility.

    I doubt that. I killed the dredge suit in T4 with one bucket before thanks to two amazing weavers. Maybe the ice elemental is another story but power classes make use of the full 30 seconds the debuff provides while condi classes still have to ramp up.

  • @Grogba.6204 said:

    @RaidsAreEasyAF.8652 said:

    You also have to account for Phases where your conditions won't do anything and you have to stack them up again. The only fractal where I can see condi as a better option than power is Underground Facility.

    I doubt that. I killed the dredge suit in T4 with one bucket before thanks to two amazing weavers. Maybe the ice elemental is another story but power classes make use of the full 30 seconds the debuff provides while condi classes still have to ramp up.

    Yeah, its just the only Fractal where i could imagine it. I remember qT did a Speedclear video of it where they did use condi classes. I just dont know how long ago this was or if it even is the record.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've seen d/f burn Tempest pull pretty respectable numbers back before PoF when it used to be a thing. The build had a good burst, but ANet increased the ramp-ups across the board after that, so I doubt there's a condi build which can compete with a well-played weaver there right now.

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:
    I've seen d/f burn Tempest pull pretty respectable numbers back before PoF when it used to be a thing. The build had a good burst, but ANet increased the ramp-ups across the board after that, so I doubt there's a condi build which can compete with a well-played weaver there right now.

    I had a pretty good weaver in 99cm some days ago, and there isn't really anything that comes close to being competitive in damage output. My buddies say that my dps meter must have been wrong but I'm pretty sure he got up to 60k at Ensolyss at peaks. He did a lot of damage at the other bosses too. I have a pretty good feeling of how fast those health bars go down, and I've never seen the bosses phasing so quickly. My Basilisk Venom is a good indicator, because if you do too much damage, it's not off cooldown for the next phase.

    My explanation for the damage is:

    1. Fractal offensive potion. It adds 15% to your damage.
    2. Scarlet's Army potion. Instead of getting maybe +4% more damage from Tin of Fruitcake, you get +10% flat damage.
    3. Superior Sigil of Serpent Slaying instead of Air Sigil, gives +10% flat damage against most bosses in Nightmare. Air Sigil only accounts for 4% of my damage with DD, if I used a staff with the Serpent Slaying Sigil, I would get 5.6% more damage in comparison.

    Those 3 factors account for about 25% more potential dps in this fractal compared to a golem benchmark. Let's say a player gets 46k with weaver at the golem, +25% means 57.5k dps. There is no other class that can kill things faster in boss fractals than a good weaver, and certainly not condition builds.

    Unfortunately, or better, fortunately for the other dps classes, most weaver players are mediocre and cannot do that kind of damage. I would not mind being in a group with 2 weavers that do as much damage as 4 other dps classes combined though. They might have to slow down though for the cc cooldowns.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Don't forget the +50% damage modifier for a broken defiance bar. The burst potential is huge, especially if you run Weave Self instead of FGS.
    And you're right - I don't mind any dps build in my group, provided he does decent damage (read: not in the same ballpark as the supports). I'm fully aware how much damage output a poorly played Weaver loses, though to be fair in t4+cm groups it's quite rare to see an outright bad weaver. In pure t4 and below though...

  • Aridon.8362Aridon.8362 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2018

    People who live in the meta are pretty funny. Druid heals is trash compared to what firebrand can offer. In fact a firebrand can do all four tanking healing supporting and give quickness without a problem I don't see why taking a bear bow and a chrono are still a thing.

    I even downed value guardian twice doing things like this.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aridon.8362 said:
    People who live in the meta are pretty funny. Druid heals is trash compared to what firebrand can offer. In fact a firebrand can do all four tanking healing supporting and give quickness without a problem I don't see why taking a bear bow and a chrono are still a thing.

    I even downed value guardian twice doing things like this.

    Because druid's healing is enough and it comes bundled with offensive buffs which Firebrand doesn't have. Same reason why druid over ventari or a heal tempest. And in regards to chrono, it is leaps and bounds ahead of everything right now. It can tank better while providing almost every boon imaginable with high uptime and heal on top of that.

  • @Aridon.8362 said:
    People who live in the meta are pretty funny. Druid heals is trash compared to what firebrand can offer. In fact a firebrand can do all four tanking healing supporting and give quickness without a problem I don't see why taking a bear bow and a chrono are still a thing.

    I even downed value guardian twice doing things like this.

    I belive he can. And i belive there is more he can do. Problem with this is there are only 2 sources of alacrity and that is chrono and renegade. Renegade needs to be healer to provide alacrity and then its overkill healing and lower overall dps. The other option is chrono. After this patch is not unrealistic to take maybe dps chrono that provide alacrity? Still if you could do perma alacrity i dont know if overall dps would be lower or not. Another thing is the fact that chrono can provide huge package of quickness and then can do some mechanic (like ball at observatory or split phase at second boss in nightmare CM)

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Incoming new fractal meta at the highest level of elitism:
    * Ultra Grieving Burn Guard that bursts 30+ stacks of burn on mobs
    * Scourge with epidemic that makes 60 - 80 burn stacks on surrounding mobs "not even counting other condis"
    * Raid Heal Druid
    * Raid Chrono
    * Raid Weaver

    This team is stronk in fractals. Mainly due to the increasing amount of mobs they are implementing in newer fractals and fractal revisions. Make sure to put on your seat belt before running this extravagant team composition.

    No other classes/builds needed.

  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Incoming new fractal meta at the highest level of elitism:
    * Ultra Grieving Burn Guard that bursts 30+ stacks of burn on mobs
    * Scourge with epidemic that makes 60 - 80 burn stacks on surrounding mobs "not even counting other condis"
    * Raid Heal Druid
    * Raid Chrono
    * Raid Weaver

    This team is stronk in fractals. Mainly due to the increasing amount of mobs they are implementing in newer fractals and fractal revisions. Make sure to put on your seat belt before running this extravagant team composition.

    No other classes/builds needed.

    Epi only copys 25 of a condi tho.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Incoming new fractal meta at the highest level of elitism:
    * Ultra Grieving Burn Guard that bursts 30+ stacks of burn on mobs
    * Scourge with epidemic that makes 60 - 80 burn stacks on surrounding mobs "not even counting other condis"
    * Raid Heal Druid
    * Raid Chrono
    * Raid Weaver

    This team is stronk in fractals. Mainly due to the increasing amount of mobs they are implementing in newer fractals and fractal revisions. Make sure to put on your seat belt before running this extravagant team composition.

    No other classes/builds needed.

    Man, you don't understand fractal meta, do you?
    Number of mobs is irrelevant. There's mesmer focus 4 for that. Fast cc + tempest defense is what you need, not slow ramp-up damage.

  • spiritualabyss.7016spiritualabyss.7016 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2018

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Incoming new fractal meta at the highest level of elitism:
    * Ultra Grieving Burn Guard that bursts 30+ stacks of burn on mobs
    * Scourge with epidemic that makes 60 - 80 burn stacks on surrounding mobs "not even counting other condis"
    * Raid Heal Druid
    * Raid Chrono
    * Raid Weaver

    This team is stronk in fractals. Mainly due to the increasing amount of mobs they are implementing in newer fractals and fractal revisions. Make sure to put on your seat belt before running this extravagant team composition.

    No other classes/builds needed.

    Sorry but a well played Weaver (supported by its team) is godmode for fractals, and with how Weaver balance is being handled, I don't see how this can change.
    As other people already mentioned, they have so many modifiers, that they can kill/phase bosses even before your condi comp reaches its damage peak.
    And ads just die due to massive cleave damage.

    ^This is optimal as soon as people know the fractal and its phases - when there is a new release and people do not know the encounter, other comps might pull ahead, since other comps are not punished as hard for making errors.

    This "optimal comp" will only change if they release fractals that are such aoe/cc fiestas that there is no way to pull off weaver rotations (or absolutely require condition damage).
    And since the skill requirement for GW2 content is rather low and they don't primarily cater towards hardcore players, I don't see this happen.

  • maxwelgm.4315maxwelgm.4315 Member ✭✭✭

    Let's put it this way. I have no issue with it because Fractals enjoy high LFG uptime and a large enough population that it doesn't matter, there are plenty of non-elitists and nicer people to play with and still get content done in a reasonable time. I do have an issue with said elitism in raids, but it is merely because raids enjoy low LFG uptime and has an overall low amount of players to raid with, leaving most forced to play the meta way or go the highway. If raids had a large population this would also probably be irrelevant.

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭

    @Aridon.8362 said:
    People who live in the meta are pretty funny. Druid heals is trash compared to what firebrand can offer. In fact a firebrand can do all four tanking healing supporting and give quickness without a problem I don't see why taking a bear bow and a chrono are still a thing.

    I even downed value guardian twice doing things like this.

    Good groups play without a full healer anyways. You gain up to 20k+ dps by taking a power druid instead of a healing druid. Firebrand has trash cc and no alacrity aswell.

    Chrono has also portal and blinks. Fractals like uncat or TO are way slower without portal skips.

    @Faaris.8013 said:
    I had a pretty good weaver in 99cm some days ago, and there isn't really anything that comes close to being competitive in damage output. My buddies say that my dps meter must have been wrong but I'm pretty sure he got up to 60k at Ensolyss at peaks. He did a lot of damage at the other bosses too. I have a pretty good feeling of how fast those health bars go down, and I've never seen the bosses phasing so quickly. My Basilisk Venom is a good indicator, because if you do too much damage, it's not off cooldown for the next phase.

    Weaver is just super broken in fractals. 60k burst dps is not even high. Weaver peak burst dps for ensy is 90k+. Most people have just never played with a real meta party.
    Most strategies just straight up don't work with condi classes or low dps.

    Epi bounce for example doesn't really work on molten duo. Once one add is dead the other is healed to full health. You will have low dps until adds spawn. So its questionable if a normal group with weavers wouldn't be faster. They could be slightly slower on the first add but will be much faster on the 2nd.
    Same for most bosses. Fights are simply too short for condis too shine.
    The TO boss fight is the worst for condis. After tickling Amala for a few seconds she goes invulnerable removing all conditions. And if you do the fractal properly you don't even kill trash except for the few forced sandbinders so epi becomes even more useless.
    Necromancer is just in a really sad state in pve since forever. Epidemic is the only skill giving it slots in raids. I don't even know why power reaper has low dps with nerfed shroud or who thought that a cd reset on low hp enemies would create the most boring gameplay in the game.
    But as long as Necromancers don't receive a relevant buff towards their power builds i will just simply kick them from my fractal parties.

    But double weaver isn't optimal everywhere. It's only really good for the challenge modes and some boss fractals with big hitbox targets. Everywhere else builds like Holo or Dh can actually be better than weavers but usually everybody only cares about cms.
    Weaver/Tempest is actually really weak underwater compared to holo or dps chrono but nobody cares for that 1 fractal anyways.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭
    1. Make your own lfg party. Specify "non meta", "Chill run" or sth along those lines. Does an elitist enter? Kick
    2. Dont enter a "meta only comp" party. Try to find what is suitable for YOU.
      3.enjoy your non toxic, elitist run!
  • Kenny.5826Kenny.5826 Member ✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @Feanor.2358 I'll make a video soon, to show you how 5x epis works with ping ponging exponential condi amplification. Then you tell me Scourges aren't meta when mobs are or bosses with adds are present.

    You show me that video and i'll link you one that does it way faster than any of your x5 necros.

    For example: Cliff Side. Can your 5 necros finish in less than 5 minutes? Because let me tell you a meta comp can. Evidence below.

    Oh but they are super lite thats not 99% of the player base. Your missing the point. Meta > Your 5 necros or 4 necros and druid or whatever. I know I sound condescending. But I really wish people would not complain about running the most efficient way possible.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've played recently with very nice full pug group. It was non meta obviously, we even had minion mancer necro with us. Even though unhappy with the team comp we decided to try. We did all dailies without a wipe in about 40 mins.

    As always, meta is not a problem, people are the problem. This game attracted some people they never should attract and now we need to deal with them. But it's old story, it's happening since release :)

  • maxwelgm.4315maxwelgm.4315 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kenny.5826 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    @Feanor.2358 I'll make a video soon, to show you how 5x epis works with ping ponging exponential condi amplification. Then you tell me Scourges aren't meta when mobs are or bosses with adds are present.

    You show me that video and i'll link you one that does it way faster than any of your x5 necros.

    For example: Cliff Side. Can your 5 necros finish in less than 5 minutes? Because let me tell you a meta comp can. Evidence below.

    Oh but they are super lite thats not 99% of the player base. Your missing the point. Meta > Your 5 necros or 4 necros and druid or whatever. I know I sound condescending. But I really wish people would not complain about running the most efficient way possible.

    It's very entertaining to watch that and it's also very curious how worried Anet was with guaranteeing Necro's sand portal couldn't go beyond line of sight when Mes can blink-skip that far into a jumping section. Dragging mobs together from miles away when Necro can't hit something with shades if that something is behind a tiny rock. Definitely people who complain about the meta simply never felt how good it is to play meta.

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Builds are so strong nowadays that it no longer requires a meta to complete such content as T4 fractals. Just run w/e you want. It isn't even about meta anymore, it's just about dealing a lot of DPS and not dying. Pretty easy to do in T4 fractals.

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Builds are so strong nowadays that it no longer requires a meta to complete such content as T4 fractals. Just run w/e you want. It isn't even about meta anymore, it's just about dealing a lot of DPS and not dying. Pretty easy to do in T4 fractals.

    Thats how I have ALWAYS done my t4 fractals......

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cerioth.7062 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Builds are so strong nowadays that it no longer requires a meta to complete such content as T4 fractals. Just run w/e you want. It isn't even about meta anymore, it's just about dealing a lot of DPS and not dying. Pretty easy to do in T4 fractals.

    Thats how I have ALWAYS done my t4 fractals......

    Yup, same here. And this brings us back to the original point of this thread, how silly it is to demand raid subgroups in fractals, because fractals are hard.

  • Bakeneko.5826Bakeneko.5826 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2018

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Cerioth.7062 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:
    Builds are so strong nowadays that it no longer requires a meta to complete such content as T4 fractals. Just run w/e you want. It isn't even about meta anymore, it's just about dealing a lot of DPS and not dying. Pretty easy to do in T4 fractals.

    Thats how I have ALWAYS done my t4 fractals......

    Yup, same here. And this brings us back to the original point of this thread, how silly it is to demand raid subgroups in fractals, because fractals are hard.

    There are other ways to do fractals, than face rolling everything with max dps you can dish out?

  • Dreddo.9865Dreddo.9865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2018

    Sorry I skipped the 12 pages above but imho the problem isn't the meta builds and desired composition rather than the snub attitude of some people who because they are capable in doing some raid runs they think they already learned everything about the game and even judging others - I see many players with low AP (meaning they have done a small portion of the game content) mocking and being aggressive to others only because 'they run the meta thing and so they know it all'. So much delusion and vanity these days. :)

    Personally I go for random compositions (only ask for healer when a demanding fractal is daily like 87, 99 or 100) and try to help less experienced players by explaining phases or mechanics if necessary. I find it more challenging and fun that way.

  • Bakeneko.5826Bakeneko.5826 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dreddo.9865 said:
    Sorry I skipped the 12 pages above but imho the problem isn't the meta builds and desired composition rather than the snub attitude of some people who because they are capable in doing some raid runs they think they already learned everything about the game and even judging others - I see many players with low AP (meaning they have done a small portion of the game content) mocking and being aggressive to others only because 'they run the meta thing and so they know it all'. So much delusion and vanity these days. :)

    Personally I go for random compositions (only ask for healer when a demanding fractal is daily like 87, 99 or 100) and try to help less experienced players by explaining phases or mechanics if necessary. I find it more challenging and fun that way.

    Raid comps let bad players do good in fractals, there is no more old "you fail, you die", meta made it "You fail, druid will outheal the damage in no time". Time and time again I join n+ KP runs and people fail Oasis, which is pure pre rework fractal experience - you get hit a few times, you die, because they expect druid to just outheal the damage. Social Awkwardness can be ignored by druid, because how much healing he can dish out. Fractals need harsher Agony punishment do stop druids just out healing high hitting attacks in 2 seconds and letting players ignore SA

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bakeneko.5826 said:
    Raid comps let bad players do good in fractals, there is no more old "you fail, you die", meta made it "You fail, druid will outheal the damage in no time". Time and time again I join n+ KP runs and people fail Oasis, which is pure pre rework fractal experience - you get hit a few times, you die, because they expect druid to just outheal the damage. Social Awkwardness can be ignored by druid, because how much healing he can dish out. Fractals need harsher Agony punishment do stop druids just out healing high hitting attacks in 2 seconds and letting players ignore SA

    So much wrong stuff in your post, sigh.

    • You can't outheal social awkwardness and you cannot ignore it. Try standing inside each other and you'll wipe.
    • I don't believe you about your joining of KP runs and a lot of failure on Oasis. The most experienced groups are using around 100 KP and they barely fail. Maybe they wipe from time to time but that's not the general outcome.
    • The real meta comps breeze through CMs + T4 and it's most likely that you have no clue about the skill level and speed those groups have. Sometimes I run t4 fractals - not cms - on my twink account - non-meta and meta groups. Usually both are terrible compared to the high KP groups I join on a daily basis on my main acc.
  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

  • Bakeneko.5826Bakeneko.5826 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    Noobs following SC/other guild benchmarks thinks Firebrand support is bad. Nothing new.

  • Laila Lightness.8742Laila Lightness.8742 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Soldier Renegade is best t4 clasd ever
    Anyone saying other wise shame on you being elitist XD

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bakeneko.5826 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    Noobs following SC/other guild benchmarks thinks Firebrand support is bad. Nothing new.

    But.... a quick oneshot... what more could they want? Lol

  • Dreddo.9865Dreddo.9865 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    But.... a quick oneshot... what more could they want? Lol

    Topping Arc-dps or you failed. :)

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dreddo.9865 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    But.... a quick oneshot... what more could they want? Lol

    Topping Arc-dps or you failed. :)

    The funny thing is I did lol

    We didn't break any records but we one shot all of the 100 cm bosses. Everyone dodged arkks red orbs and we all quickly got our rewards. The fact that someone ignored our success and focused instead on a class that isnt on the "members only" list is just embarrassing for a community. League of legends might be less toxic. And I dont use that word often.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 18, 2018

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    Soldier Renegade is best t4 clasd ever
    Anyone saying other wise shame on you being elitist XD

    Then I'll gladly be called an elitist. Soldier anything is trash in PvE.

    Praise delta!

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

  • vesica tempestas.1563vesica tempestas.1563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    that's a good way to put it, i would add discrimination regardless of context. The ignorant player values numbers more than people.

    "Any path that narrows future possibilities may become a lethal trap. Humans do not thread their way through a maze; they scan a vast horizon filled with unique opportunities." - The Spacing Guild Handbook.

    Beware the meta!

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder what the quick "oneshot" was. This story smells fishy.

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    I wonder what the quick "oneshot" was. This story smells fishy.

    20ish minutes maybe slightly more

  • Bakeneko.5826Bakeneko.5826 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    I wonder what the quick "oneshot" was. This story smells fishy.

    20ish minutes maybe slightly more

    Don;t bother, he is troll, who comes to say anything that is not meta by raid guilds is useless

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Bakeneko.5826 said:
    Don;t bother, he is troll, who comes to say anything that is not meta by raid guilds is useless

    That's a infamous allegation and a blatant lie. It's obvious that I ran more off-meta stuff in 6 years of GW2 than you and still doing it from time to time when I'm in the mood. But I didn't expect anything from someone who has no clue about an easy mechanic behind a fractal instability.

    The problem of his story is it's kinda way too unrealistic that a group will take him over the whole run, everything went fine and in the end - after a successful run without any wipe - they started to complain and being toxic. That doesn't make any sense at all. Of course there are irrational people in this game but from a n=1 story you can't infer that this is the general rule while on the other hand people are doing hundred of runs without any incident.
    Last but not least if they don't agree to a sup firebrand they wouldn't take him from the beginning and boot him or kick him after 1-2 bosses because it's not working or less effective as they wished.

    THEY didn't take him. It was our group that we started so we made the rules. It was an unusually quick easy run as my groups usually wipe on arkk a couple times due to pugs missing red orbs or not killing the anomaly. I wasnt claiming it was an every day occurence, it really wasnt. The fact of the matter is that even on this day we had to deal with this bs.

  • Geisterlicht.6083Geisterlicht.6083 Member ✭✭
    edited May 19, 2018

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    Hmm seems odd to me, I've run several times with firebrand/rev or even engi healers and that without issues.

    The only case where I'd call out or kick someone for playing such a build, is if the role is already covered by other group members.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

    His performance was just fine thanks and honestly, as the top dps in that fractal nobody had any right to say anything as they all were lower than me.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

    His performance was just fine thanks and honestly, as the top dps in that fractal nobody had any right to say anything as they all were lower than me.

    I don't know in what group you were top dps, but it wasn't in mine.

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

    His performance was just fine thanks and honestly, as the top dps in that fractal nobody had any right to say anything as they all were lower than me.

    I don't know in what group you were top dps, but it wasn't in mine.

    It looked like you were referencing my friends performance as a fb support. In which I was top dps. Your comment saying "you can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily" seemed as if you were doubting our performance. That's all, if that's not the case then it was a misunderstanding.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2018

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

    His performance was just fine thanks and honestly, as the top dps in that fractal nobody had any right to say anything as they all were lower than me.

    I don't know in what group you were top dps, but it wasn't in mine.

    It looked like you were referencing my friends performance as a fb support. In which I was top dps. Your comment saying "you can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily" seemed as if you were doubting our performance. That's all, if that's not the case then it was a misunderstanding.

    Maybe you should read what you quote.

    They said
    the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight.

    Your friend was a firebrand so how could that sentence in any way shape or form be tied to him/her?

  • Zalavaaris.5329Zalavaaris.5329 Member ✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

    His performance was just fine thanks and honestly, as the top dps in that fractal nobody had any right to say anything as they all were lower than me.

    I don't know in what group you were top dps, but it wasn't in mine.

    It looked like you were referencing my friends performance as a fb support. In which I was top dps. Your comment saying "you can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily" seemed as if you were doubting our performance. That's all, if that's not the case then it was a misunderstanding.

    Maybe you should read what you quote.

    They said
    the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight.

    Your friend was a firebrand so how could that sentence in any way shape or form be tied to him/her?

    Yep, already stated it was a misunderstanding. Do I need a formal apology?

  • Trevor Boyer.6524Trevor Boyer.6524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:

    @Feanor.2358 said:

    @Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

    @Zalavaaris.5329 said:
    So. Just going to leave this here. My buddy and I just did a pug 100 cm. We one shot the entire fractal. At the end 2 people start complaining because my friend was using a firebrand support build. They were bashing his build when we just one shot the entire fractal in good time. Now that's extreme... completely uncalled for

    That is exactly what I'm talking about right there. Discrimination regardless of performance.

    I would fathom a guess that it wasn't regardless of performance. You can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily. For instance, the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight. We still one-shot everything. But it doesn't mean his performance was okay.

    His performance was just fine thanks and honestly, as the top dps in that fractal nobody had any right to say anything as they all were lower than me.

    I don't know in what group you were top dps, but it wasn't in mine.

    It looked like you were referencing my friends performance as a fb support. In which I was top dps. Your comment saying "you can one-shot the fractal while underperforming heavily" seemed as if you were doubting our performance. That's all, if that's not the case then it was a misunderstanding.

    Maybe you should read what you quote.

    They said
    the group I joined today featured a dps chrono who did worse dps than the banner warrior on more than one fight.

    Your friend was a firebrand so how could that sentence in any way shape or form be tied to him/her?

    Yep, already stated it was a misunderstanding. Do I need a formal apology?

    You know they're only giving you grief because you were partied with a FB support. If you had been partied with a Druid they would have ignored comment.

  • Turin.6921Turin.6921 Member ✭✭✭

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    Soldier Renegade is best t4 clasd ever
    Anyone saying other wise shame on you being elitist XD

    Then I'll gladly be called an elitist. Soldier anything is trash in PvE.

    I think it was just a joke...

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