Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 An unblockable interrupt with no internal CD that can be therefore spammed with impunity from safe distance, now how can thieves spam anything with INI you may ask..well the devs have buffed thief auto-attack to same level of dmg as hundred blades but without the rooting....how this can be considered fare for other professions?The solutions are easy , pick one of the following:1) You add ICD to the trait2) You remove the unblockable component3) You reduce the dmg of thief auto-attackAll in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks.2057 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Unblockable huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Impacting_Disruption yes it's unblockable which then applies https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pulmonary_Impact_(trait_skill) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feetpicenjoyer.6418 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Impacting_Disruption yes it's unblockable which then applies https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pulmonary_Impact_(trait_skill)Only the effect is unbloackable, actual interrupts like Headshot aren't. It's like saying "condis are broken because they damage me when I'm blocking!"That being said yes I'd like to see it get some changes as well because it's too oppressive against other thief builds and the meta in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interrupt with no internal CD that can be therefore spammed with impunity from safe distance, now how can thieves spam anything with INI you may ask..well the devs have buffed thief auto-attack to same level of dmg as hundred blades but without the rooting....how this can be considered fare for other professions?The solutions are easy , pick one of the following:1) You add ICD to the trait2) You remove the unblockable component3) You reduce the dmg of thief auto-attackAll in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? I'm hoping that you are not being killed by a thief spamming headshot to trigger this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Solori.6025 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interrupt with no internal CD that can be therefore spammed with impunity from safe distance, now how can thieves spam anything with INI you may ask..well the devs have buffed thief auto-attack to same level of dmg as hundred blades but without the rooting....how this can be considered fare for other professions?The solutions are easy , pick one of the following:1) You add ICD to the trait2) You remove the unblockable component3) You reduce the dmg of thief auto-attackAll in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? I'm hoping that you are not being killed by a thief spamming headshot to trigger this.Yes i do! But maybe you want to illustrate your strategy to avoid death and let's see to find something I didn't try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong.You are wrong, it wasn't thief that was weak..it was rev the one at fault and it appears it got its rightful reductions , now I wonder where are yours.Why should that be of any concern for me or the rest of the community? Does it look like they cared to find a middle ground when they nerfed everybody else?With trickery, having a B venom at 20s CD makes it a darn good interrupting spam won't you agree? About other interrupt..you forget everybody got CD and not iniDon't stand in auto? And what exactly do you other than try to block,parry, dodge, etc?........what can you do that hasn't got at least 1/2 animation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong."Don't stand in the auto of the most mobile class in the game that you can't possibly outkite".Brilliant response. 10/10Just like people who say condi s/d is easy if you just clear the roots as if all classes had unhindered combatant daredevil traits to remove roots on very short intervals instead of the actual 30+ sec cooldowns most classes have on condi clears and root clears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Zenith.7301 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong."Don't stand in the auto of the most mobile class in the game that you can't possibly outkite".Brilliant response. 10/10Just like people who say condi s/d is easy if you just clear the roots as if all classes had unhindered combatant daredevil traits to remove roots on very short intervals instead of the actual 30+ sec cooldowns most classes have on condi clears and root clears.Spends entire post talking about other build. Neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong.You are wrong, it wasn't thief that was weak..it was rev the one at fault and it appears it got its rightful reductions , now I wonder where are yours.Why should that be of any concern for me or the rest of the community? Does it look like they cared to find a middle ground when they nerfed everybody else?With trickery, having a B venom at 20s CD makes it a darn good interrupting spam won't you agree? About other interrupt..you forget everybody got CD and not iniDon't stand in auto? And what exactly do you other than try to block,parry, dodge, etc?........what can you do that hasn't got at least 1/2 animation?So you have no real solution to this question k.With trickery...what...b venom 20s CD? Are we playing the same game, it's Guild Wars 2. Idk? Play your class? Counter pressure? Put up protection or invuln?Are you even trying to fight them or did you die once and decide thieves shouldn't exist? BTW I'm a power revenant main and would only win from the ridiculous nerf pulm suggestions (this thread is the first one in a while, I guess most L2P'd). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong.You are wrong, it wasn't thief that was weak..it was rev the one at fault and it appears it got its rightful reductions , now I wonder where are yours.Why should that be of any concern for me or the rest of the community? Does it look like they cared to find a middle ground when they nerfed everybody else?With trickery, having a B venom at 20s CD makes it a darn good interrupting spam won't you agree? About other interrupt..you forget everybody got CD and not iniDon't stand in auto? And what exactly do you other than try to block,parry, dodge, etc?........what can you do that hasn't got at least 1/2 animation?So you have no real solution to this question k.With trickery...what...b venom 20s CD? Are we playing the same game, it's Guild Wars 2. Idk? Play your class? Counter pressure? Put up protection or invuln?Are you even trying to fight them or did you die once and decide thieves shouldn't exist?I gave you the solution: you have to eat the nerfs like everybody else did beforehttps://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Daredevil_-_Dagger/PistolPlay your class? And how do you propose to do that? You mention protection that some don't have or can't spam and that doesn't do much difference as it get stolen..then you mention invul which in most case is over 60s CD.Did you read the OP? The thief only use INI to spam headshot from distance and headshot is instant, then the thief just AA you to death if you try or not doing anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velimere.7685 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interruptWhile Pulmonary Impact itself as an effect already applied to a target is certainly unblockable, it is by no means an interrupt and the only way that the standard D/P build can proc it with an unblockable attack is by using Basilisk Venom which is on a 40-second recharge. You know what else is unblockable while already applied to you in the same fashion? Any condition. The more you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Velimere.7685 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interruptWhile Pulmonary Impact itself as an effect already applied to a target is certainly unblockable, it is by no means an interrupt and the only way that the standard D/P build can proc it with an unblockable attack is by using Basilisk Venom which is on a 40-second recharge. You know what else is unblockable while already applied to you in the same fashion? Any condition. The more you know!40s CD? Last I checked, d/p thieves use trickery that reduce B venom to 20s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:All in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Were you even there for HoT launch...if you were you'd know that thief was unusable for 2 seasons lol.Good luck finding a middle ground between competent players and noobs on an ICD which I don't think any other on interrupt trait has (?). Thief does not have an interrupting attack that is unblockable without B venom. It's already bad enough that you can invuln through pulm. I'll give you blockable pulm if you make pulm damage instant :) like every other on interrupt trait.Don't stand in autos. You're doing it wrong.You are wrong, it wasn't thief that was weak..it was rev the one at fault and it appears it got its rightful reductions , now I wonder where are yours.Why should that be of any concern for me or the rest of the community? Does it look like they cared to find a middle ground when they nerfed everybody else?With trickery, having a B venom at 20s CD makes it a darn good interrupting spam won't you agree? About other interrupt..you forget everybody got CD and not iniDon't stand in auto? And what exactly do you other than try to block,parry, dodge, etc?........what can you do that hasn't got at least 1/2 animation?So you have no real solution to this question k.With trickery...what...b venom 20s CD? Are we playing the same game, it's Guild Wars 2. Idk? Play your class? Counter pressure? Put up protection or invuln?Are you even trying to fight them or did you die once and decide thieves shouldn't exist?I gave you the solution: you have to eat the nerfs like everybody else did beforehttps://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Daredevil_-_Dagger/PistolPlay your class? And how do you propose to do that? You mention protection that some don't have or can't spam and that doesn't do much difference as it get stolen..then you mention invul which in most case is over 60s CD.Did you read the OP? The thief only use INI to spam headshot from distance and headshot is instant, then the thief just AA you to death if you try or not doing anythingK ur class should have no auto attack at all cuz I died haha see I'm cool and helpful and stuffThat doesn't help because you have no idea what you're talking about if you think B venom has a 20s CD or has anything to do with Trickery.When a thief autos you do you only spam defensive CDs like the thief isn't a sitting duck while auto attacking lol? Initiative has a cooldown. Headshot has an effective CD of 4s since it is 4 initiative. Being able to spam it from full initiative is something similar to the ammo system that everyone is getting now. Headshot is a risk. Headshot interrupting nothing means you threw away initiative. L2stowweapon. AKA L2P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:@Velimere.7685 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interruptWhile Pulmonary Impact itself as an effect already applied to a target is certainly unblockable, it is by no means an interrupt and the only way that the standard D/P build can proc it with an unblockable attack is by using Basilisk Venom which is on a 40-second recharge. You know what else is unblockable while already applied to you in the same fashion? Any condition. The more you know!40s CD? Last I checked, d/p thieves use trickery that reduce B venom to 20sAnd this is exactly why everyone should ignore this thread and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@Velimere.7685 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interruptWhile Pulmonary Impact itself as an effect already applied to a target is certainly unblockable, it is by no means an interrupt and the only way that the standard D/P build can proc it with an unblockable attack is by using Basilisk Venom which is on a 40-second recharge. You know what else is unblockable while already applied to you in the same fashion? Any condition. The more you know!40s CD? Last I checked, d/p thieves use trickery that reduce B venom to 20sAnd this is exactly why everyone should ignore this thread and move on.Maybe I should have mentioned that B venom is applied mostly to steal sitting at 20s with trickery and daze the target?-steal daze-shadow shot with B Venom ( if not used on steal)-2x headshot-total ini spen: 12 maybethief then AA spam headshot againAA- steal daze againB venom up again..interrupt againTypical rotation more or less, the ini can be kept up pretty easily and thieves can shadow return as they can use steal/daze as an effective stunbreak on 20s cd but ofc they have also bandit defenseBut enough of me writing this mini guide..what about explaining how other classes counter this?-Attacking the thief? lol we're talking about a d/p ..after his AA chain..if low he will 5-2 and reset all INI and steal which is only 20s CD. The thief can easily get away unless caught off guard from another fight if you're lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loop.8106 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Daredevil is in a wierd spot where touching them will either rending them useless or overtune them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@Velimere.7685 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interruptWhile Pulmonary Impact itself as an effect already applied to a target is certainly unblockable, it is by no means an interrupt and the only way that the standard D/P build can proc it with an unblockable attack is by using Basilisk Venom which is on a 40-second recharge. You know what else is unblockable while already applied to you in the same fashion? Any condition. The more you know!40s CD? Last I checked, d/p thieves use trickery that reduce B venom to 20sAnd this is exactly why everyone should ignore this thread and move on.Maybe I should have mentioned that B venom is applied mostly to steal sitting at 20s with trickery and daze the target?-steal daze-shadow shot with B Venom ( if not used on steal)-2x headshot-total ini spen: 12 maybethief then AA spam headshot againAA- steal daze againB venom up again..interrupt againTypical rotation more or less, the ini can be kept up pretty easily and thieves can shadow return as they can use steal/daze as an effective stunbreak on 20s cd but ofc they have also bandit defenseBut enough of me writing this mini guide..what about explaining how other classes counter this?-Attacking the thief? lol we're talking about a d/p ..after his AA chain..if low he will 5-2 and reset all INI and steal which is only 20s CD. The thief can easily get away unless caught off guard from another fight if you're luckyDang bro you explain it so well, please put it in video format I'd love to see your thief gameplay. All down to a rotation nice! Because thief is totally a class built off skill rotations and not fast reactions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Accidental double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saku Joe.2857 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interrupt with no internal CD that can be therefore spammed with impunity from safe distance, now how can thieves spam anything with INI you may ask..well the devs have buffed thief auto-attack to same level of dmg as hundred blades but without the rooting....how this can be considered fare for other professions?The solutions are easy , pick one of the following:1) You add ICD to the trait2) You remove the unblockable component3) You reduce the dmg of thief auto-attackAll in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? Even tho i feel your frustration and to some degree i agree with, what you demand is a bit extreme.1) I agree with the iCD implementation.2) Like someone already said that the way the trait works (see it as a delayed dmg). All skills used to interrupt (beside BasiVen application) are blockable.3)That's a different topic. (Even tho i think dagger DPS shouldn't be higher than sword).4) This is my personal PoV but i would like to see D/P ini rework as Headshot and/or shadow shot a bit more costy therefore less spammable.All in all thief didn't avoid the nerf bat. Simply the nerf bat didn't nerf what should be tone down. Well in pvp Anet toned down Daredevil recently. Hope the next balance patch would be accurate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:@BeepBoopBop.5403 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@Velimere.7685 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interruptWhile Pulmonary Impact itself as an effect already applied to a target is certainly unblockable, it is by no means an interrupt and the only way that the standard D/P build can proc it with an unblockable attack is by using Basilisk Venom which is on a 40-second recharge. You know what else is unblockable while already applied to you in the same fashion? Any condition. The more you know!40s CD? Last I checked, d/p thieves use trickery that reduce B venom to 20sAnd this is exactly why everyone should ignore this thread and move on.Maybe I should have mentioned that B venom is applied mostly to steal sitting at 20s with trickery and daze the target?-steal daze-shadow shot with B Venom ( if not used on steal)-2x headshot-total ini spen: 12 maybethief then AA spam headshot againAA- steal daze againB venom up again..interrupt againTypical rotation more or less, the ini can be kept up pretty easily and thieves can shadow return as they can use steal/daze as an effective stunbreak on 20s cd but ofc they have also bandit defenseBut enough of me writing this mini guide..what about explaining how other classes counter this?-Attacking the thief? lol we're talking about a d/p ..after his AA chain..if low he will 5-2 and reset all INI and steal which is only 20s CD. The thief can easily get away unless caught off guard from another fight if you're luckyI think beepboop is extremely biased towards thief and lives in an alternate reality sometimes but you are so wrong you need to look at the wiki and/or in game at thief skills. Thief cannot have basi venom up for every steal, it's a 40s CD and they would need a lucky proc off improvisation to get it reset for the next steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor.6392 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Should have a small icd perhaps. I don't see a problem with this trait but it's too spammy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 @Loop.8106 said:Daredevil is in a wierd spot where touching them will either rending them useless or overtune them.Pretty sure Daredevil is already overtunedd/p daredevil is stronger than s/d condi, and s/d condi is stronger than the a number of other classes meta builds.And lord help us if they ever add Sigil of Severance to PvP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solori.6025 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 @Arheundel.6451 said:@Solori.6025 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:An unblockable interrupt with no internal CD that can be therefore spammed with impunity from safe distance, now how can thieves spam anything with INI you may ask..well the devs have buffed thief auto-attack to same level of dmg as hundred blades but without the rooting....how this can be considered fare for other professions?The solutions are easy , pick one of the following:1) You add ICD to the trait2) You remove the unblockable component3) You reduce the dmg of thief auto-attackAll in all how is it possible that thief avoided the nerf bat for well over 2 years since HoT launch? I'm hoping that you are not being killed by a thief spamming headshot to trigger this.Yes i do! But maybe you want to illustrate your strategy to avoid death and let's see to find something I didn't trySure I'll bite-Dont spam your auto attack at nothing- At thief can spam headshot at most 3 times in quick secession while if they wait it out a few seconds its 4If they are spamming headshot stow your weapon- see 1block- head shot is blockabledodge- you can dodge skills, I know it's hard to do but I believe in youreflect- headshot is a projectilestability- a lot of classes have thisLoS- again harder to do and most people dont think about itblind- yea, you can do this tooinvuln- if you are immune to damage effects they waste the initiative spamming.This works against any thief spamming one moveIf you are dieng to pulm I think you would also die to shadowshot spam, heartseeker spam, and unload spam, all of those do more damage than pulm.I would suggest you make a thief and actually play it, not read stuff from the wiki and make statements like "Bvenom is 20s CD"You make the people that tell you L2P look like Einsteins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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