Suggestion: Home instance Guest List

I have a full home instance that has been taken over by cats and I like to share it with friends and guildies as well as random people in cities to let people get their daily harvesting in. One thing that gets annoying though is when you have to go through your guild chat, map chat, and message friends to offer them an invite, assuming they are on at the same time you are online. This can eventually discourage a player from wanting to share this with others.

I would like to see a feature implemented where we can add players to a list, that allows them to go into and farm our home instances any time they want. This way it wont matter if they are on at different times and those of us with full instances wont have to spam chat on a daily basis.

That's actually a good idea.

Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

As much as I like this idea, it's not an earner for Anet

Think about it, only one person in a guild need buy all the home nodes, then they can list everyone else to use them. Now, none of these people need to buy the nodes.

@Taygus.4571 said:As much as I like this idea, it's not an earner for Anet

Think about it, only one person in a guild need buy all the home nodes, then they can list everyone else to use them. Now, none of these people need to buy the nodes.

Its not an unlimited list. I only imagine it as being around 5 people that you can add. Most of the people I know don't have much or anything in their home instance, some don't even know what it is. When I show them, they are amazed, but they can never afford to add all the stuff to it. I like to share it with people, but having to be online at the same time and trying to let everyone know every day starts to become a chore.

@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

It wouldn't really be much different then it is now, if you join someone's party and farm their home instance on a daily basis. This would only make it more convenient for both sides, it would especially be helpful for new players.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

A 24 hour open access to someone else’s stocked home instance versus occasional access depending on whether both are online and if both sides want to go to the home instance? Yes I do think it would make a difference. Having full access means you never need to build up your own home instance or do the content required for it, yet gain all the benefits.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

What stops someone from going into another players home instance? If you join a maxed out guild, you can still take advantage of everything it has to offer without having done anything for it right?

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

What stops someone from going into another players home instance? The invitation, which is only something the player can only occasionally take advantage of. With the current system it’s not every day and not any time. It’s the difference between full benefits and occasional partial benefits. With full benefits there’s no reason to spend the time and costs to upgrade your own. With occasional partial benefits, there’s still incentive to fill out your own to get what they have.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

If a person wants to fill out their own, they will. Not everyone can afford to because it costs a lot of gold. Not everyone has that kind of time to farm so much gold. What does it matter when they can access, you can only farm the nodes and chests once a day. Currently if you cant party up with a friend who has a full home instance, you can join a random player who does, it is no different. My idea is only for the convenience of both parties so you don't have to both be online at the same time, and the person who owns the instance does not have to bother everyone every day asking them if they want to farm it.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

If the cost to the game of handing out full benefits of a stocked home instance to those who haven’t done the work is so negligible then why not ask for the game to have a public, fully stocked home instance for all to enter and farm? Using your argument the people who use it may not have the time or gold to stock their own and having it available won’t stop them from setting up their own home instance.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

Please go up to a new player, or someone who doesn't have much time to play and tell them they should spend hundreds of gold to buy 1 node.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

Please explain how the game benefits by having players bypass the need to do content or by removing long term goals.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

Most of the nodes are bought on the trading post/gem store. Who are you to tell people what content they should be playing, or what they should be doing with their time?

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

And many, 19 of them, are by doing content and earning them.

You say, ask a new person why should he pay so much. I say, why should the new person get the full benefit without effort. Everyone who has these items got them by playing the game and earning gold. Why should we give some who don’t want to do the content full benefits of a home instance?

How is the game helped by handing out long term rewards to those who are unwilling to do the content and why should the game do this?

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

Do you just not understand that you can do that now? You are acting as if the game will suddenly self destruct if we make it easier for our friends to farm our home instances which can only be done once a day...

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

If it’s the same thing then you wouldn’t be making your suggestion. Your suggestion is for full and complete access, the same as if it was your own personal home instance. The current method is occasional access, when invited, when on at the same time, when both want to access the home instance. They are nowhere near the same. One is an occasional gift from one person to another. Your suggestion removes all need for these players to earn these nodes on their own.

Again. How is the game helped by handing out long term rewards to those who are unwilling to do the content and why should the game do this?

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

First, stop acting as if you are anyone to tell people what they should be doing with their time, or what content they should be playing.

Second, my idea is about convenience for both parties involved. If you actually read it, you would understand that.

Third, you keep bringing up this idea of people using this to avoid upgrading their own home instance, as if that is somehow a necessary requirement? Do you just really not understand people can still farm anyone's home instance with the current system at any time? My idea just makes it easier to let your friends use yours.

Fourth, the game is not going to die because it becomes easier for friends to farm nodes once a day, get over it.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

One of the first things to think of when making a suggestion is, why would the Devs want to add this to their game? You should explain why the Devs should implement your suggestion, given the negatives pointed out of the loss of players doing ingame content and earning longterm goals. If they can get the same things for free, every day, whenever they want, by knowing the right person then eventually there’s increased dropping out of game for lack of things to do and from lack of satisfaction in playing the game.

All games have grind and long term goals. They’re required for the health of the game. Being new, ingame poor, not having time is no reason to remove these goals and give the benefits for free. All of the players who now own nodes were once new, were ingame poor and probably had time constraints. If you feel differently then you need to explain to the Devs why new players, poor players, players who don’t want to put in time should have full, anytime access to a stocked home instance and explain why removal of the need to do content helps the game.

There already is a shared access instance; it's called a guild hall.

If you want other people to share rewards with you, then stock one up with the various benefits and invite folks to the guild. (Admittedly the cost of fully stocking a GH is substantially more, but it's permanent: it doesn't depend on you still playing the game.)

Otherwise, we're talking about a massive change to how home instances work for something that (as the OP themself says) can already be done by anyone who wants to. This would only make it more convenient to share; it doesn't actually provide any benefit to the instance owner (not only that, but it's open to abuse: I can already see people charging folks for being on their guest list).

Hmmm, wonder how much gold I could get a day? Sarcasm

@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

Being able to farm some else's instance already discouraged others to create their own. And I won’t even start about the fact that you’re not able to personalize anything in that stupid “home” of yours.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

Being new, ingame poor, not having time is no reason to remove these goals and give the benefits for free. All of the players who now own nodes were once new, were ingame poor and probably had time constraints.

By that logic, they should remove things like-

-Tomes from login rewards-level to 80 boosts-teleport to friend-ability to mail other players-waypoint unlock packs

Because you know they discourage people from actually playing and learning the game...

Putting in over 1k gold for home instance nodes is probably not the biggest priority for a lot of people, including new players.

Allowing a few friends to farm your home instance (assuming you get this guest list item which would have a small cap on it and also have a home instance with nodes to share) once a day, is hardly going to make people want to stop playing or ruin the game. Please stop with the hyperboles.

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@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Since the items in a home instance can only be harvested once a day no matter what account, won’t having Home instances with any time access lists discourage people from filling out their own home instance? When they start they’ll only have a couple items. They won’t be able to farm their own if they farm someone else’s.

A few friends? Will it only be you then giving out home instance invitations? You and how many others? Lets throw out some numbers, admittedly a guess but probably not too far off.

When they announced how many people had gotten the Griffon they said 25,000 got it within a few days. That gives an indication of how many people play this game extensively and get achievements and get stuff completed. So let’s say there are 25,000 stocked home instances, each of which can invite up to 5 people to access it at any time. With only 25k stocked home instances (and that’s undoubtedly a low number) that’s up to 125,000 players who could be farming a stocked home instance that doesn’t belong to them. That’s a fair number of people who won’t need to do the content and pay the prices to fill out a home instance of their own because they’re getting anytime, any day access to someone else’s. That will definitely affect the economy as that gold sink won’t be used to as much as expected. People will also be selling home instance access to new players, so it won’t be just you and a few friends farming each day.

Edit: it wouldn’t even need to be a stocked home instance to sell it. People could give access to any level of home instances to free to play players as well as sell to others. It could be a nice steady income, Xsilver/week for anytime access to a home instance where the owner doesn’t even need to log on to let them harvest.

Any suggestion that removes demand for gemstore items better come packed with a way for ArenaNet to monetize it or else it is just pure fantasy with no hope of ever existing.

For example, each slot on this guest list would cost 2000 gems.

That is an idea they might go for because while it reduces demand on one side, it generates its own income to offset that.