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  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2020

    February 1, 2018
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/376875/#Comment_376875

    @Endelon.1042 said:
    OMG

    It's happeningggggg

    Followed by - 🦗 Sound of Crickets faintly chirping away in the background...

    I vote to make this into a meme.

    Yours truly,
    Diku

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  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    Do we have the technology yet?

  • TheBravery.9615TheBravery.9615 Member ✭✭✭

    Game will shut down before we get world restructuring and alliances.

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    I completely forgot....

    Happy page 52 to all of you!!!

    Thanks to all of you for keeping alive this meme.

  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:
    Friends at ArenaNet!

    Did you know that words have meaning?

    When you have an announcement and say that you are going to talk about something in the coming months: That implies the coming months.

    If it is going to take you close to a year you would use the terminology: The coming year.

    If it is going to take you more than a year you would use plural and say: The coming years.

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    Up you go thread.

    Well said! 👏

  • Well, it is actually nice to hear, that at least Alliances did not get cancelled (yet).
    But how does the "history" about alliances look like right now?
    Everyone wished for alliance system for a long time
    it took even longer to be annouced it will come
    and even even longer to finally get a grasp of the concept

    but what we still don´t know:
    What will be the timespan for a release? (or at least, when should we expect the transision to the new system?)
    how far is development even progressed?
    which elements of the system are actually complete?
    which ones are in development? for which of those has development even begun and which ones haven´t even been touched yet?
    how many years should we wait? (again)

    ANet has let us (the WvW-Community) down so long and so many times now, that the trust in the development team is already almost gone. And by development team i mean everyone that just comes in touch with the mode "WvWvW" including for example: Balancing team, programmers for backend and server structure/maintenance, Tech Support etc.

    If we would even know how far development of alliances is progressed (maybe not in detail, but at least the most important steps) we could maybe start believing in you. But from User-Side, we currently see: nothing.
    no final design, no update on progress, nothing that can make us believe ANet tells the truth.

    completely left aside all the other problems WvW currently has in general (Server Performance, Client Performance etc)

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zawn.9647 said:
    this is a joke :) 2 years and counting
    imagine if I could work at a place where my deadlines meant so little as this

    Imagine you must work at a place where you announced several customers a big new feature and then your boss fires your colleagues and tells you, that you must work on something else and that you are not allowed to tell the customers anything about this change.

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  • Zawn.9647Zawn.9647 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Zawn.9647 said:
    this is a joke :) 2 years and counting
    imagine if I could work at a place where my deadlines meant so little as this

    Imagine you must work at a place where you announced several customers a big new feature and then your boss fires your colleagues and tells you, that you must work on something else and that you are not allowed to tell the customers anything about this change.

    Literally my job. :pensive:
    I still have deadlines to fulfill tho... which seems to not be the case for ArenaNet :)

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zawn.9647 said:

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Zawn.9647 said:
    this is a joke :) 2 years and counting
    imagine if I could work at a place where my deadlines meant so little as this

    Imagine you must work at a place where you announced several customers a big new feature and then your boss fires your colleagues and tells you, that you must work on something else and that you are not allowed to tell the customers anything about this change.

    Literally my job. :pensive:
    I still have deadlines to fulfill tho... which seems to not be the case for ArenaNet :)

    Do you work for the CIA?

    You can tell us, we know how to keep a secret

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Rise from the deep!

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am sticking to the idea that this will be branded as an expansion feature. But that said maybe we go old school and make it a three word sentence thread.

    Are we there?

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  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    I had to scroll to far to see this thread. Up ya go ⬆️

  • Yuffi.2430Yuffi.2430 Member ✭✭✭

    I really can't see Alliances being an expansion feature. I know it might mean ANET could get some immediate money out of it, but Alliances is an all-or-nothing system - I can't see how it could work if only half the players bought the Alliances expansion and half didn't...

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 24, 2020

    @Yuffi.2430 said:
    I really can't see Alliances being an expansion feature. I know it might mean ANET could get some immediate money out of it, but Alliances is an all-or-nothing system - I can't see how it could work if only half the players bought the Alliances expansion and half didn't...

    That's not how expansions work in GW2. Imagine if only PoF players could play against PoF players in WvW and only HoT players can play against HoT players etc, lol. Something can be an "expansion feature" without actually being part of the expansion, because it's part of the massive expansion patch that is applied globally to all clients.

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  • arenanet =>

    ...

    <= communication

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yuffi.2430 said:
    I really can't see Alliances being an expansion feature. I know it might mean ANET could get some immediate money out of it, but Alliances is an all-or-nothing system - I can't see how it could work if only half the players bought the Alliances expansion and half didn't...

    The other changes to WvW that were released as part of expansions in the past were 'free for all!' but still marketed as part of the expansion. Just feels like they will wait till then before releasing this.

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  • Yuffi.2430Yuffi.2430 Member ✭✭✭

    There is a mixed history about expansions. It's true that HoT and PoF players can still play with core players, but I'm not sure a core player can enter the Heart of Thorns map areas in PvE, and not all WvW changes caused by expansions are free for all - gliding needs HoT and Warclaw needs PoF.

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Have you seen the new Trailer? For a moment it is able to see the WvW Alliances.

    You have to look closely, but I assure you they there are

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yuffi.2430 said:
    There is a mixed history about expansions. It's true that HoT and PoF players can still play with core players, but I'm not sure a core player can enter the Heart of Thorns map areas in PvE, and not all WvW changes caused by expansions are free for all - gliding needs HoT and Warclaw needs PoF.

    Those are good examples, but I would see Alliances more like how they wouldn't have been able to restrict players joining DBL. Again could be this tinfoil hat I have but...

    TFHat on......ok so here is my theory. When they first started talking to us it was in part to include Alliances in an expansion. Business change comes along and expansion is cancelled and extended living story is planned. Alliance shelved with expansion. Fast forward and they realise that Living Story isn't going to cut it like an expansion would and it comes back onto table with the expansion in mind and this is one of their cornerstone expansion feature for WvWers. Else we would have seen something about it in all this time. /TFHat off. But that could just be this hat.

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  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:
    Have you seen the new Trailer? For a moment it is able to see the WvW Alliances.

    You have to look closely, but I assure you they there are

    Will have to watch for it tonight.

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  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    Are they live? Can i come back ?

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Are they live? Can i come back ?

    The trailer? Yes

    Alliances? Ahah ahh ahah.... No.

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    a l l i a n c e s w h e n


    also, the issue is sorta that PoF brought us nothing towards WvW really, outside of the mount nobody wanted... what can we really expect from EoD expansion, another backstab? new specs that blast up the meta and are likely OP early on at least, but we won't get any freaking content if they keep it like currently, only empty promises. :disappointed:

  • phreeak.1023phreeak.1023 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @KiteCrossx.3790 said:
    The current model is dangerously close to pay to win. I can easily pay money to transfer to the winning server each relink. And many do, because people don't like losing or being farmed, and are happy to get a quick fix and be on a winning team. A philosophy/model I thought Anet was against. Seems when the $$ starts flowing their principles take a back seat :angry:

    Been saying for a while Alliances will not come until they figure out how to monetize it for as much or more as they are getting out of Transfers.

    If u want to make alliances with other guilds, you have the first slot for free. If u want another guild in your alliance, every guild have to buy alliance slot expansion bags :lol:

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2020

    Interestingly....competition is slowly evolving & beginning to reach a critical mass it seems

    Nodes & the concept to create "End Game Content" to PvE that is Player Driven, but Dev Controlled.

    Nodes provide "Meaning & Purpose" that guides players to a never-ending way to keep players engaged to return to play.

    These concepts are very familiar to me.


    ANet....please wake up & realize WvW still has the potential to become the next eSport to be able to host an Annual Tournament equivalent to the NFL Superbowl...imho

    Please don't throw away your opportunity to create an Annual Tournament equivalent to the NFL Superbowl before another company takes this niche.

    Team Creation based solutions (Server Linking over 4 years) has been proven to be a failure in the NA....and continues to repeat failure (Language Linking over 1 year) in the EU...imho

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    Start of NA Server Linking

    2019.06.14
    Language Linking - aka - Server Linking
    Start of EU Language Linking

    2019.11.28
    Full context for Annual Tournament

    I truly don't like finding comfort in having to say - "Told you so"


    Wishful thinking...could we get a Road Map for WvW?

    At the very least...could we get a status update on this Alliance project?

    Or, will this turn into another meme?

    Silence - 🦗 Sound of Crickets faintly chirping away in the background...


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    Yours truly,
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  • I still can't believe Arenanet isn't embracing its PvP players.
    They got one of the best systems out there, they could be BIG on eSports, making BIG money but instead they focus on story exclusively.
    I'm a PvE player and even I don't understand the strategy when there are people like MightyTeapot who supports the entire PvP scene on his shoulders... which should be Arenanet's job...

    Remember: PvP content = infinite content

    Couldn't get better than this...

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:
    I was thinking.... Guys, what are we going to do with our life's when we have Alliances... We need a second crusade, just as a backup plan

    The backup plan is to protest the alliance implementation. We know this, because the biggest problem in wvw is population imbalance (some of which is caused by bandwagon blobs wanting to fight doors), and Anet already said that alliances will not solve the problem of large blobs ktraining everything during off hours when there is no one to defend.

    Personally, I do not believe alliances will ever actually happen. We are rapidly approaching the 3 year mark since they were announced, they still haven't started work on it, they are working on a new expac, AND, I doubt they want the current system changed. The one that has people transfer en masse every time they need to restack on a link to fight doors and smaller servers (aka gem buying blob).

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  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    Today i woke up and felt like ..alliances coming soon!! Praise the lord and hail to the king!!

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Today i woke up and felt like ..alliances coming soon!! Praise the lord and hail to the king!!

    ...and then you hit snooze on your alarm and went back to sleep?

    Wasn't certain if you hit enter too soon.

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  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Today i woke up and felt like ..alliances coming soon!! Praise the lord and hail to the king!!

    It must've a vision...

  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Yuffi.2430 said:
    I really can't see Alliances being an expansion feature. I know it might mean ANET could get some immediate money out of it, but Alliances is an all-or-nothing system - I can't see how it could work if only half the players bought the Alliances expansion and half didn't...

    That's not how expansions work in GW2. Imagine if only PoF players could play against PoF players in WvW and only HoT players can play against HoT players etc, lol. Something can be an "expansion feature" without actually being part of the expansion, because it's part of the massive expansion patch that is applied globally to all clients.

    They will just make a new pvx mode built around alliances rather than trying to shoehorn it into the existing wvw. To monetize it they will make it zones in cantha or something requiring purchase of it.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think the main problem with WvW - as far as I have noticed when people also talked about it in other threads sometimes - is that the server transfers make lots of money. Would be a big deal to just restructure PvP into some alliance themed stuff where servers weren't relevant anymore. Still ... long term it would be good for the population to have it more balanced and transerfs more "freely" (without any cost but time restriction instead) ...

    while selling other stuff. Maybe cosmetic keep upgrades and skins for guilds, lol. :D

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    @Luthan.5236 said:
    I think the main problem with WvW - as far as I have noticed when people also talked about it in other threads sometimes - is that the server transfers make lots of money. Would be a big deal to just restructure PvP into some alliance themed stuff where servers weren't relevant anymore. Still ... long term it would be good for the population to have it more balanced and transerfs more "freely" (without any cost but time restriction instead) ...

    while selling other stuff. Maybe cosmetic keep upgrades and skins for guilds, lol. :D

    No matter what though there will always be that 50+ member guild that magically bypasses that Full Server restriction. Then they also magically give you an outnumbered buff even when you have a map queue. You never hear of anyone ever running into that barrier its like someone magically helps them across and no witnesses of course Ogres have layers like onions.

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    @Justine.6351 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @Yuffi.2430 said:
    I really can't see Alliances being an expansion feature. I know it might mean ANET could get some immediate money out of it, but Alliances is an all-or-nothing system - I can't see how it could work if only half the players bought the Alliances expansion and half didn't...

    That's not how expansions work in GW2. Imagine if only PoF players could play against PoF players in WvW and only HoT players can play against HoT players etc, lol. Something can be an "expansion feature" without actually being part of the expansion, because it's part of the massive expansion patch that is applied globally to all clients.

    They will just make a new pvx mode built around alliances rather than trying to shoehorn it into the existing wvw. To monetize it they will make it zones in cantha or something requiring purchase of it.

    This.. then they will cry bcz of the deserved kitten coming :D

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    They monetized build templates, so they could find a way to keep the revenue from the WvW world transfer in the WvW Alliances system.

  • Safir.9203Safir.9203 Member ✭✭

    This persistent silence and refusal to offer any update or even honest admission that this will never happen is shameful but not surprising.

    Arenanet lied about Alliances and continues to lie by not setting the record straight. This is extremely disrespectful to wvw players and shows how lowly they view their players who primarily play WvW.

    I feel insulted and angry about how they've neglected wvw for so long, and how Alliances were just some promised vaporware feature to string people along, and now they don't even have the decency to say a word about it, even if it's admitting what is obvious to most of us: Alliances are never going to happen.

  • Sviel.7493Sviel.7493 Member ✭✭✭

    Did there used to be a sticky about this? Is it still there? What god do I have to sacrifice to to get a good night's sleep?

    It's nice to hear verbal confirmation that they're #WorkingOnIt, but given how long it's been without any blog posts or anything on the forums...what do they expect us to do? Releasing bits of info would likely lead to some backlash from people who consider it not enough, but that's still less backlash than just giving us nothing at all for years on end.

  • @Sviel.7493 said:
    Did there used to be a sticky about this? Is it still there? What god do I have to sacrifice to to get a good night's sleep?

    It's nice to hear verbal confirmation that they're #WorkingOnIt, but given how long it's been without any blog posts or anything on the forums...what do they expect us to do? Releasing bits of info would likely lead to some backlash from people who consider it not enough, but that's still less backlash than just giving us nothing at all for years on end.

    Wait... did they recently say they’re “working on it”? I don’t watch their streams. Or maybe it was on Twitter 😂 Last thing I heard was “excited to talk about it in the upcoming months” and that was almost a year ago.
    I’m truly curious to know if they’ve responded to our questions in stream!!

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @Calisanna.8732 said:

    @Sviel.7493 said:
    Did there used to be a sticky about this? Is it still there? What god do I have to sacrifice to to get a good night's sleep?

    It's nice to hear verbal confirmation that they're #WorkingOnIt, but given how long it's been without any blog posts or anything on the forums...what do they expect us to do? Releasing bits of info would likely lead to some backlash from people who consider it not enough, but that's still less backlash than just giving us nothing at all for years on end.

    Wait... did they recently say they’re “working on it”? I don’t watch their streams. Or maybe it was on Twitter 😂 Last thing I heard was “excited to talk about it in the upcoming months” and that was almost a year ago.
    I’m truly curious to know if they’ve responded to our questions in stream!!

    kitten, if we just have an official channel to say those things in a GW2 forum or something like that.

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2020

    @Calisanna.8732 said:

    @Sviel.7493 said:
    Did there used to be a sticky about this? Is it still there? What god do I have to sacrifice to to get a good night's sleep?

    It's nice to hear verbal confirmation that they're #WorkingOnIt, but given how long it's been without any blog posts or anything on the forums...what do they expect us to do? Releasing bits of info would likely lead to some backlash from people who consider it not enough, but that's still less backlash than just giving us nothing at all for years on end.

    Wait... did they recently say they’re “working on it”? I don’t watch their streams. Or maybe it was on Twitter 😂 Last thing I heard was “excited to talk about it in the upcoming months” and that was almost a year ago.
    I’m truly curious to know if they’ve responded to our questions in stream!!

    A video of it is literally plastered all over the page preceeding this one in this thread.

    Also, the "comming months" was 1 year and 2-3 days from your post (aug. 30th), afaicr.

  • Inoki.6048Inoki.6048 Member ✭✭✭

    @Calisanna.8732 said:

    @Sviel.7493 said:

    I’m truly curious to know if they’ve responded to our questions in stream!!

    They dread questions like these and don't answer them.

    Every transfer delays alliances.

  • anet seriously, you are the only that can make an announcement and then.......after 3 years still no one word about wvw..
    I love you for the courage xD

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Winds of winter

    The doors of stone

    And WvW Alliances

    What they have in common?