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  • Is this still on the table or has it been knocked off?

  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    Didn’t watch the WvW stream this week. Did people ask the devs again “alliances when?” Hehe

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Happy page number 54

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 2, 2020

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    i think diku means that NA has lost far more active servers. bunch of the people fill EU spots by now even i think, would be odd to explain where the night blobs of more than a full map size come from otherwise.

    Correct...Team Creation Solutions...like Server & Language Linking...has negatively impacted the Long-Term Population of this WvW game mode...imho

    Alliance Linking is another Team Creation Solution & I can only see history repeating itself.

    Told you so
    2020.08.15
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1311428/#Comment_1311428


    I'm amazed WvW is still chugging along despite the many bad decisions that have been done to this game mode.

    I'd like to see a better Road Map for WvW from ANet...that can properly explain where Alliance Linking fits within the greater scheme of things.

    "Anything worth doing is worth planning" - A G.I. Joe PSA

    If ANet doesn't have a Road Map...here's an example Road Map:
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.

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  • @Valelutra.9128 good question, but the answer is, we still don't know. afaik they initially just said it was "delayed" or sth alike

    @Diku.2546 agreeing with your there

    it's fun that they enabled cross-language links, but gave Baruch Bay the option to stay open to gather spanish players there lol. so they broke their system there, we need a full break of the links however. the population system also needs a look at.

    the really bad thing with links is that they are only temporarily. (in bunch of cases, that may be good as well but yeah)
    so it's like speed dating, just that u don't have the option to keep a match, even if both would be up for it. :dizzy:

  • borderlands
    three colours
    one eternal battleground
    abandoned eotm
    bags

    alliances when

    link system removed when

  • or think every charakter needs to have access to every skill and utility option etc :dizzy: > about gw1, i never played it, so cannot say much. might check the vid later
    GW! Every character had a primary and secondary profession , you could change your secondarys whenever you wanted , mix and match trait lines , skills ... the result 100s of different , varied , PLAYER CREATED builds , my thief necro for JQ was designed to make casters lives a misery , as was my ranger, my ele mes was a shrine capping god.

    GW2 took all that way , all that creativity , invention, the trial and error of build creation and dumbed it down to , this is your weapon, this the things you can do with it .

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @primatos.5413 said:
    Come on guys.. we can make it a thousand pages thread before alliances go live \o/

    Relax, there is no need to rush. We can do it slowly.

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  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    We can not lose this golden video.

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.

    Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.

    English has failed us, let's try in other languages....

    What if this has been the problem all these years?

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Good morning 10/08/20. Happy Thursday!

    Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
    De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
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  • Nigredo.2084Nigredo.2084 Member
    edited October 8, 2020

    @vier.1327 said:
    Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.

    Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.

    English has failed us, let's try in other languages....

    What if this has been the problem all these years?

    Dunno, I try.

    Arenanet, qua non si batte chiodo da anni, eppure qualcuno, come me, è tornato perché crede in questo gioco. Ma sta passando troppo, troppo tempo; è arrivata l'ora di rinnovare un po' questa modalità, che vogliamo fare?
    Sperando di non essere delusi ancora una volta,
    saluti dall'Italia.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nigredo.2084 said:

    @vier.1327 said:
    Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.

    Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.

    English has failed us, let's try in other languages....

    What if this has been the problem all these years?

    Dunno, I try.

    Arenanet, qua non si batte chiodo da anni, eppure qualcuno, come me, è tornato perché crede in questo gioco. Ma sta passando troppo, troppo tempo; è arrivata l'ora di rinnovare un po' questa modalità, che vogliamo fare?
    Sperando di non essere delusi ancora una volta,
    saluti dall'Italia.

    Ah, Gailia est provinca to you too!

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  • i wonder if we could use the passive-aggresive route and send to the devs some food with "where's the alliance system??" written on it....

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inoki.6048 said:

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    "ding dang"
    "who there"

    alliances when

    outside of that, i agree that the project sounds not flawless, but keep in mind that the guy on the vid just guessed how it would work or precisely look. i agree that i think they worked in much of the area into other maps

    As long as there are transfers

    Never

    Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Inoki.6048 said:

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    "ding dang"
    "who there"

    alliances when

    outside of that, i agree that the project sounds not flawless, but keep in mind that the guy on the vid just guessed how it would work or precisely look. i agree that i think they worked in much of the area into other maps

    As long as there are transfers

    Never

    Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.

    This. So much and only this!! ^^

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    I heard that the company has hired three new employees (Vladimir, Estragon and Godot) who will take care of the Alliance system as soon as all three have arrived.

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  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 9, 2020

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Inoki.6048 said:

    Never

    Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.

    Funny thing, I was always under the impression that getting new players to play your game who are not jaded veterans with fully upgraded accounts and solid gold economies would be more lucrative than trying to milk those jaded veterans and make them quit (taking everyone's content with them).

    I think you are confusing investing in sales with riding the wave out :3

    Imagine investing in a Steam release with full WvW servers and marketing your PvP that you don't really care about there B)

  • who can say when alliances
    where the work into it happens
    only time
    :#

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zok.4956 said:
    I heard that the company has hired three new employees (Vladimir, Estragon and Godot) who will take care of the Alliance system as soon as all three have arrived.

    And now we have a "Waiting for Godot" reference, but still no Alliances.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @subversiontwo.7501 said:

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Inoki.6048 said:

    Never

    Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.

    Funny thing, I was always under the impression that getting new players to play your game who are not jaded veterans with fully upgraded accounts and solid gold economies would be more lucrative than trying to milk those jaded veterans and make them quit (taking everyone's content with them).

    In sales there is hunting (getting new customers) and also farming (milking existing customers) at the same time.

    In a saturated market farming usually is more cost effective than hunting but a sales department should do both.

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  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So, ummm....

    Alliances when?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2020

    that's why Primordius grew that big i guess

    also..
    ? When Alliances

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    that's why Primordius grew that big i guess

    also..
    ? When Alliances

    A very good question this is. answer they soon will!

  • ollbirtan.2915ollbirtan.2915 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Imagine, still believing in fairytales :o

  • @Kylden Ar.3724 said:
    So, ummm....

    Alliances when?

    Another three days have been added to the delay before the next announcement

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited 1:37AM

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:
    So, ummm....

    Alliances when?

    The last WvW stream was 20 days ago now and Ray actually responded to a question about it there again (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/750702837, 35 mins in).

    This time around he even gave a bit more information to deduce from. The sad part about it is that it really sounded like they have not progressed at all from what was said in update two, 2 years ago. It literally sounded like they have not done any significant work on it at all or that they have rolled back to that point of hooking alpha modules together. That would also make many of the detractors right and many of the middlegrounders like myself wrong. It would also make the optimists dead wrong.

    I've not been expecting anything beyond a snail's pace but I've been stupid enough to lead myself to believe that some work had been done and that work would not have been rolled back with regard to what was said during the Mike Z era. All of that stuff could now simply be laid aside as bold-faced lies or that they have once again decided on a roll back, which I don't think this mode or the issues that this project is related to can take anymore. I guess that would be a further step towards detraction for me, but I sincerely belive that we are moving sharply towards an event horizon of player communities in the WvW mode. That doesn't have to be a de facto death of the mode but it will be a general collapse of player communities where what you may see at the lower tiers may spread up through all tiers in terms of organisation, guilds, tag presence and tag quality or content type. So what we consider dead servers today may be the new norm and what else remains be rarities with even more lopsided content.

    I mean, that has largely been my critique, and from where I have argued here lately, that the project is not comming along at a needed pace to deliver and move on to related projects. That it is slow or that the team needs resources. That will not be my take on things going forward.