@kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
i think diku means that NA has lost far more active servers. bunch of the people fill EU spots by now even i think, would be odd to explain where the night blobs of more than a full map size come from otherwise.
Correct...Team Creation Solutions...like Server & Language Linking...has negatively impacted the Long-Term Population of this WvW game mode...imho
Alliance Linking is another Team Creation Solution & I can only see history repeating itself.
it's fun that they enabled cross-language links, but gave Baruch Bay the option to stay open to gather spanish players there lol. so they broke their system there, we need a full break of the links however. the population system also needs a look at.
the really bad thing with links is that they are only temporarily. (in bunch of cases, that may be good as well but yeah)
so it's like speed dating, just that u don't have the option to keep a match, even if both would be up for it.
or think every charakter needs to have access to every skill and utility option etc > about gw1, i never played it, so cannot say much. might check the vid later
GW! Every character had a primary and secondary profession , you could change your secondarys whenever you wanted , mix and match trait lines , skills ... the result 100s of different , varied , PLAYER CREATED builds , my thief necro for JQ was designed to make casters lives a misery , as was my ranger, my ele mes was a shrine capping god.
GW2 took all that way , all that creativity , invention, the trial and error of build creation and dumbed it down to , this is your weapon, this the things you can do with it .
@primatos.5413 said:
Come on guys.. we can make it a thousand pages thread before alliances go live \o/
Relax, there is no need to rush. We can do it slowly.
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Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.
Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.
English has failed us, let's try in other languages....
What if this has been the problem all these years?
Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
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@vier.1327 said:
Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.
Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.
English has failed us, let's try in other languages....
What if this has been the problem all these years?
Dunno, I try.
Arenanet, qua non si batte chiodo da anni, eppure qualcuno, come me, è tornato perché crede in questo gioco. Ma sta passando troppo, troppo tempo; è arrivata l'ora di rinnovare un po' questa modalità, che vogliamo fare?
Sperando di non essere delusi ancora una volta,
saluti dall'Italia.
@vier.1327 said:
Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.
Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.
English has failed us, let's try in other languages....
What if this has been the problem all these years?
Dunno, I try.
Arenanet, qua non si batte chiodo da anni, eppure qualcuno, come me, è tornato perché crede in questo gioco. Ma sta passando troppo, troppo tempo; è arrivata l'ora di rinnovare un po' questa modalità, che vogliamo fare?
Sperando di non essere delusi ancora una volta,
saluti dall'Italia.
Ah, Gailia est provinca to you too!
Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/Civ6/CU/AoC/NW
outside of that, i agree that the project sounds not flawless, but keep in mind that the guy on the vid just guessed how it would work or precisely look. i agree that i think they worked in much of the area into other maps
As long as there are transfers
Never
Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
outside of that, i agree that the project sounds not flawless, but keep in mind that the guy on the vid just guessed how it would work or precisely look. i agree that i think they worked in much of the area into other maps
As long as there are transfers
Never
Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.
I heard that the company has hired three new employees (Vladimir, Estragon and Godot) who will take care of the Alliance system as soon as all three have arrived.
https://www.gw2gh.com/ - A GW2-Guild-Hall.
Register and check your guild leaderboard to see who is the best in your guild and who finished achievements first.
Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.
Funny thing, I was always under the impression that getting new players to play your game who are not jaded veterans with fully upgraded accounts and solid gold economies would be more lucrative than trying to milk those jaded veterans and make them quit (taking everyone's content with them).
I think you are confusing investing in sales with riding the wave out
Imagine investing in a Steam release with full WvW servers and marketing your PvP that you don't really care about there
@Zok.4956 said:
I heard that the company has hired three new employees (Vladimir, Estragon and Godot) who will take care of the Alliance system as soon as all three have arrived.
And now we have a "Waiting for Godot" reference, but still no Alliances.
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.
Funny thing, I was always under the impression that getting new players to play your game who are not jaded veterans with fully upgraded accounts and solid gold economies would be more lucrative than trying to milk those jaded veterans and make them quit (taking everyone's content with them).
In sales there is hunting (getting new customers) and also farming (milking existing customers) at the same time.
In a saturated market farming usually is more cost effective than hunting but a sales department should do both.
https://www.gw2gh.com/ - A GW2-Guild-Hall.
Register and check your guild leaderboard to see who is the best in your guild and who finished achievements first.
The last WvW stream was 20 days ago now and Ray actually responded to a question about it there again (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/750702837, 35 mins in).
This time around he even gave a bit more information to deduce from. The sad part about it is that it really sounded like they have not progressed at all from what was said in update two, 2 years ago. It really sounded like they have not done any significant work on it at all or that they have rolled back to that point of hooking alpha modules together. That would also make many of the detractors right and many of the middlegrounders like myself wrong. It would also make the optimists dead wrong.
I've not been expecting anything beyond a snail's pace but I've been stupid enough to lead myself to believe that some work had been done and that work would not have been rolled back with regard to what was said during the Mike Z era. All of that stuff could now simply be laid aside as bold-faced lies or that they have once again decided on a roll back, which I don't think this mode or the issues that this project is related to can take anymore. I guess that would be a further step towards detraction for me, but I sincerely belive that we are moving sharply towards an event horizon of player communities in the WvW mode. That doesn't have to be a de facto death of the mode but it will be a general collapse of player communities where what you may see at the lower tiers may spread up through all tiers in terms of organisation, guilds, tag presence and tag quality or content type. So what we consider dead servers today may be the new norm and what else remains be rarities with even more lopsided content.
I mean, that has largely been my critique, and from where I have argued here lately, that the project is not comming along at a needed pace to deliver and move on to related projects. That it is slow or that the team needs resources. That will not be my take on things going forward.
This thread deserves to be stickied. We are spending more time bumping it to the top where it belongs than we are playing WvW 😲
The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me
@Baldrick.8967 said:
I wonder what celebration we can plan for the third anniversary of this thread?
Depends, do you want it to try and have impact?
Have all forum goers play on nothing but EoTM for the week and see how many instances we can spawn. Avoid the regular maps. If EoTM is suppose (which it does) to even the fields by starting new instances once one is full for a side it would be a better sampling of if balanced numbers would improve gameplay. Granted EoTM has its own issues for balance and teaming all green together for example but....
That or everyone floods OS to fight there.
Edit: Note I still run under the conspiracy the Alliance system was meant to be in an expansion that was cancelled after a MGT change. After that the idea was shelved since the expansion was. After the MGT changed again the idea of Alliances for an expansion was brought back out so it can be a feature for WvW in the new Expansion. So...not expecting it till the expansion lands. If wrong, cool, if not, that's expectation. And I say all this as one from the server pride is better side, but...
Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/Civ6/CU/AoC/NW
Is this thread relevant in 2020-21? Like? U would think the caretakers of the forums would remove irrelevant info/lies told by the devs like alliances. that was a flat out lie told to us by the devs about its suppose development being developed. I dont think alliances were ever a thing we were just told a lie to shut us up. My god honest opinion.
@Eddbopkins.2630 said:
Is this thread relevant in 2020-21? Like? U would think the caretakers of the forums would remove irrelevant info/lies told by the devs like alliances. that was a flat out lie told to us by the devs about its suppose development being developed. I dont think alliances were ever a thing we were just told a lie to shut us up. My god honest opinion.
Can you imagine the uproar if they removed this thread with no explanation or update? I'd buy a ticket to that show!
The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me
@Eddbopkins.2630 said:
Is this thread relevant in 2020-21? Like? U would think the caretakers of the forums would remove irrelevant info/lies told by the devs like alliances. that was a flat out lie told to us by the devs about its suppose development being developed. I dont think alliances were ever a thing we were just told a lie to shut us up. My god honest opinion.
Can you imagine the uproar if they removed this thread with no explanation or update? I'd buy a ticket to that show!
Well, even that would be a confirmation of sorts, so it would probably please some people.
Critical Kit, Deadeye.
“If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.” - John Steinbeck
@Eddbopkins.2630 said:
Is this thread relevant in 2020-21? Like? U would think the caretakers of the forums would remove irrelevant info/lies told by the devs like alliances. that was a flat out lie told to us by the devs about its suppose development being developed. I dont think alliances were ever a thing we were just told a lie to shut us up. My god honest opinion.
Can you imagine the uproar if they removed this thread with no explanation or update? I'd buy a ticket to that show!
Well, even that would be a confirmation of sorts, so it would probably please some people.
@Eddbopkins.2630 said:
Is this thread relevant in 2020-21? Like? U would think the caretakers of the forums would remove irrelevant info/lies told by the devs like alliances. that was a flat out lie told to us by the devs about its suppose development being developed. I dont think alliances were ever a thing we were just told a lie to shut us up. My god honest opinion.
Can you imagine the uproar if they removed this thread with no explanation or update? I'd buy a ticket to that show!
It’s called ‘resolution’. Resolve this, one way or another.
Comments
Is this still on the table or has it been knocked off?
Didn’t watch the WvW stream this week. Did people ask the devs again “alliances when?” Hehe
Happy page number 54
Correct...Team Creation Solutions...like Server & Language Linking...has negatively impacted the Long-Term Population of this WvW game mode...imho
Alliance Linking is another Team Creation Solution & I can only see history repeating itself.
Told you so
2020.08.15
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1311428/#Comment_1311428
I'm amazed WvW is still chugging along despite the many bad decisions that have been done to this game mode.
I'd like to see a better Road Map for WvW from ANet...that can properly explain where Alliance Linking fits within the greater scheme of things.
"Anything worth doing is worth planning" - A G.I. Joe PSA
If ANet doesn't have a Road Map...here's an example Road Map:
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1
Credibility requires critical insight & time.
Yours truly,
Diku
Credibility requires critical insight & time.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1
@Valelutra.9128 good question, but the answer is, we still don't know. afaik they initially just said it was "delayed" or sth alike
@Diku.2546 agreeing with your there
it's fun that they enabled cross-language links, but gave Baruch Bay the option to stay open to gather spanish players there lol. so they broke their system there, we need a full break of the links however. the population system also needs a look at.
the really bad thing with links is that they are only temporarily. (in bunch of cases, that may be good as well but yeah)
so it's like speed dating, just that u don't have the option to keep a match, even if both would be up for it.
borderlands
three colours
one eternal battleground
abandoned eotm
bags
alliances when
link system removed when
or think every charakter needs to have access to every skill and utility option etc
> about gw1, i never played it, so cannot say much. might check the vid later
GW! Every character had a primary and secondary profession , you could change your secondarys whenever you wanted , mix and match trait lines , skills ... the result 100s of different , varied , PLAYER CREATED builds , my thief necro for JQ was designed to make casters lives a misery , as was my ranger, my ele mes was a shrine capping god.
GW2 took all that way , all that creativity , invention, the trial and error of build creation and dumbed it down to , this is your weapon, this the things you can do with it .
Relax, there is no need to rush. We can do it slowly.
https://www.gw2gh.com/ - A GW2-Guild-Hall.
Register and check your guild leaderboard to see who is the best in your guild and who finished achievements first.
We can not lose this golden video.
Arenanet todavía te queremos y nos encantaría seguir jugando a Guild Wars 2 y a Mundo contra Mundo, amamos el modo de juego y nos encantaría ver el próximo nivel.
Aunque parezcamos sarcásticos y enfadados en estos foros, aún creemos en la compañía.
English has failed us, let's try in other languages....
What if this has been the problem all these years?
Good morning 10/08/20. Happy Thursday!
Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/Civ6/CU/AoC/NW
Dunno, I try.
Arenanet, qua non si batte chiodo da anni, eppure qualcuno, come me, è tornato perché crede in questo gioco. Ma sta passando troppo, troppo tempo; è arrivata l'ora di rinnovare un po' questa modalità, che vogliamo fare?
Sperando di non essere delusi ancora una volta,
saluti dall'Italia.
Ah, Gailia est provinca to you too!
Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/Civ6/CU/AoC/NW
i wonder if we could use the passive-aggresive route and send to the devs some food with "where's the alliance system??" written on it....
Sadly, this is truth. The Transfers Gem sales is the most money WvW brings in. If we ever get alliances, it will only be because they figured out how to monetize it the way they did build templates.
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
This. So much and only this!! ^^
I heard that the company has hired three new employees (Vladimir, Estragon and Godot) who will take care of the Alliance system as soon as all three have arrived.
https://www.gw2gh.com/ - A GW2-Guild-Hall.
Register and check your guild leaderboard to see who is the best in your guild and who finished achievements first.
Funny thing, I was always under the impression that getting new players to play your game who are not jaded veterans with fully upgraded accounts and solid gold economies would be more lucrative than trying to milk those jaded veterans and make them quit (taking everyone's content with them).
I think you are confusing investing in sales with riding the wave out
Imagine investing in a Steam release with full WvW servers and marketing your PvP that you don't really care about there
How to solve population balance
Q&A
who can say when alliances
where the work into it happens
only time
And now we have a "Waiting for Godot" reference, but still no Alliances.
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
In sales there is hunting (getting new customers) and also farming (milking existing customers) at the same time.
In a saturated market farming usually is more cost effective than hunting but a sales department should do both.
https://www.gw2gh.com/ - A GW2-Guild-Hall.
Register and check your guild leaderboard to see who is the best in your guild and who finished achievements first.
So, ummm....
Alliances when?
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
Every day that passes without Alliances being implemented, Primordius eats a kitty.
Shame on you.
that's why Primordius grew that big i guess
also..
? When Alliances
A very good question this is. answer they soon will!
Imagine, still believing in fairytales
Another three days have been added to the delay before the next announcement
The last WvW stream was 20 days ago now and Ray actually responded to a question about it there again (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/750702837, 35 mins in).
This time around he even gave a bit more information to deduce from. The sad part about it is that it really sounded like they have not progressed at all from what was said in update two, 2 years ago. It really sounded like they have not done any significant work on it at all or that they have rolled back to that point of hooking alpha modules together. That would also make many of the detractors right and many of the middlegrounders like myself wrong. It would also make the optimists dead wrong.
I've not been expecting anything beyond a snail's pace but I've been stupid enough to lead myself to believe that some work had been done and that work would not have been rolled back with regard to what was said during the Mike Z era. All of that stuff could now simply be laid aside as bold-faced lies or that they have once again decided on a roll back, which I don't think this mode or the issues that this project is related to can take anymore. I guess that would be a further step towards detraction for me, but I sincerely belive that we are moving sharply towards an event horizon of player communities in the WvW mode. That doesn't have to be a de facto death of the mode but it will be a general collapse of player communities where what you may see at the lower tiers may spread up through all tiers in terms of organisation, guilds, tag presence and tag quality or content type. So what we consider dead servers today may be the new norm and what else remains be rarities with even more lopsided content.
I mean, that has largely been my critique, and from where I have argued here lately, that the project is not comming along at a needed pace to deliver and move on to related projects. That it is slow or that the team needs resources. That will not be my take on things going forward.
How to solve population balance
Q&A
I thought they streamed WvW weekly? When did that change?
I don't think they've done any streams for 20 days. All the clips were "last month".
How to solve population balance
Q&A
Maybe this is just a bad dream.. when we wake up we all be playing gw2 with alliances released like we do since 2 years...
With Blackjack and hookers
Getting too far down the list on the front page.....so bumping.
Any recent news? /s
They still pretend they never started this thread. Is that news?
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
Just admit you have no intention on touching WvW or making content for competitive A-net. Let it go.
This thread deserves to be stickied. We are spending more time bumping it to the top where it belongs than we are playing WvW 😲
The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me
I hope they realise that if they don't address this in this game, the "alliances when?" meme is going to follow them through Gw3 and beyond lol
Critical Kit, Deadeye.
“If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.” - John Steinbeck
I wonder what celebration we can plan for the third anniversary of this thread?
Depends, do you want it to try and have impact?
Have all forum goers play on nothing but EoTM for the week and see how many instances we can spawn. Avoid the regular maps. If EoTM is suppose (which it does) to even the fields by starting new instances once one is full for a side it would be a better sampling of if balanced numbers would improve gameplay. Granted EoTM has its own issues for balance and teaming all green together for example but....
That or everyone floods OS to fight there.
Edit: Note I still run under the conspiracy the Alliance system was meant to be in an expansion that was cancelled after a MGT change. After that the idea was shelved since the expansion was. After the MGT changed again the idea of Alliances for an expansion was brought back out so it can be a feature for WvW in the new Expansion. So...not expecting it till the expansion lands. If wrong, cool, if not, that's expectation. And I say all this as one from the server pride is better side, but...
Envy the Madman his musing when Death comes to make fools of us all.
De Mortuis Nil Nisi Bonum.
TheGrimm PoTBS/GW1/WAR/Rift/GW2/MWO/ESO/WoT/WoW/D2/Civ6/CU/AoC/NW
We can open a post with "Alliances When" as title, one for each of us.
When they merge them all, it’ll tell us they heard...
to no avail of course
Thank You for the {MEME}
Then we will know they have read it.
Unfortunately, seen =/= read.
Critical Kit, Deadeye.
“If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.” - John Steinbeck
Is this thread relevant in 2020-21? Like? U would think the caretakers of the forums would remove irrelevant info/lies told by the devs like alliances. that was a flat out lie told to us by the devs about its suppose development being developed. I dont think alliances were ever a thing we were just told a lie to shut us up. My god honest opinion.
Can you imagine the uproar if they removed this thread with no explanation or update? I'd buy a ticket to that show!
The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me
Well, even that would be a confirmation of sorts, so it would probably please some people.
Critical Kit, Deadeye.
“If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.” - John Steinbeck
It’s called ‘resolution’. Resolve this, one way or another.
Thank You for the {MEME}
The forums are a placebo for the player base that we are listened to or have a voice.
It has almost been 3 years since this post. I think Arenanet is only game dev company that is literally afraid of their community.