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  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yigameir.6073 you know, it really feels like that. i mean Anet didn't even update the "lunar new year" bags to give WXP as well. every single freaking XP booster there says "NOT USABLE IN WVW" specifically even. i mean, c'mon, why? that baby one hour boost won't even do thaat much.

    and to fin this, another #allianceswhen :)

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2021

    eSports is possible with this game mode...imho

    I want competitive tournaments that are healthy to participate in.

    Real Life Sporting Events already provide good examples that we can learn from:
    i.e. - SuperBowl, World Series, FIFA World Cup, IIHF World Championship, etc.

    This game mode needs a stable & complete road map to keep it going in the right direction.

    Example road map:
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.

    Yours truly,
    Diku

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    well, from kinda environment Wvw is ages away tho. the whole format would need a overhaul. you'd need to make like ~3 hours at a predicted "prime time" to "tournament time", then you'd need to lock it for people that didn't sign up before and at least can show some kinda killproof, otherwise you'll have the maps full with afkers and kittens to sabotage the enemy teams (alt accounts)

    alone tournaments would be a great re-introduction... but currently, also due to the uncomfy link system, situation gets rather worse. the amount of times u get something to really fight against is quite limited on many servers. the amount of dedicated competitive guilds isn't too high.

    like, in an utopian perfection, every map had space for three 20ish or two 25-30 ppl guilds. that'd be around 8-12 guilds, and i honestly know not a single server, not even with adding link guilds into, who can field the max amount of 12 coordinated running guilds.

    the expansion will be kinda revival impulse for Wvw as well. the question and critical point is, will Anet use this to boost the mode, refresh and update it.

    and maybe finally drop the nasty link system. who knows #allianceswhen

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2021

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    well, from kinda environment Wvw is ages away tho. the whole format would need a overhaul.
    Snip 8<

    WvW needs an ovehaul

    World Restructuring is a novel idea to use Team Creation mechanics to solve only certain problems while ignoring everything else about this game mode...imho

    World Restructuring would be like a Chapter 2 in fixing WvW if we had a bigger road map to follow.

    Chapter 1 would be about What to do now to help with problems in the short term.

    Chapter 2 would then begin the process of fixing the problems in the long term.

    I'd like to see a road map from ANet that details where this World Restructuring "fits" into the larger scheme of things on where this game mode is headed.

    I'm hoping this game mode will evolve into an annual eSport SuperBowl event with corporate sponsors that's designed to be the END GAME Content to PvE in perhaps a CHAPTER 6.

    We're never going to get a chance to evolve with only one solution & no road map to guide us...imho

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.

    Yours truly,
    Diku

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

  • jul.7602jul.7602 Member ✭✭✭

    Bump. Just to remind everyone.

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    Remind us of what? Oh yeah, it's 2021. Only been 3 years, surely it will happen 'soon'!

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Baldrick.8967 said:
    Remind us of what? Oh yeah, it's 2021. Only been 3 years, surely it will happen 'soon'!

    Alliances WHEN!?

    Alliances.

    When!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kylden Ar.3724 said:

    @Baldrick.8967 said:
    Remind us of what? Oh yeah, it's 2021. Only been 3 years, surely it will happen 'soon'!

    Alliances WHEN!?

    Alliances.

    When!?

    Soon !! (Body 3 characters too short)

  • Valelutra.9128Valelutra.9128 Member ✭✭✭

    Alliances When??

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    till then, we gonna ask
    #allianceswhen

  • Tonko.4802Tonko.4802 Member ✭✭
    edited February 11, 2021

    Is anyone even working in this company anymore or what
    you got like 20 people to write the tumblr fanfic of a story and you're trying to convince us that "the 5 people who would usually work on wvw are too busy with the expansion"

    is anyone left in here I swear if I could reach down into the Anet headquarters there would be 50 layers of dust on everything and tumbleweeds rolling across the lobby
    you write a 2000 page essay detailing the development of cooking recipes for the game yet you won't acknowledge even the existence of the wvw playerbase for 3 years
    Is this an indie company with 5 devs in total or what is going on here man
    You leave this awful relinking system up and try to convince us the server populations or relinks are managed by an algorithm which I flat out don't believe, you've got 1 intern who does it on his coffee breaks and sometimes he also forgets about it for a week or two

    oh who am I kidding Anet devs don't read this section of the forum anyway
    maybe some janitor does and I'll get an infraction for this post

    ALLIANCES WHEN

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tonko.4802 said:
    Is anyone even working in this company anymore or what
    you got like 20 people to write the tumblr fanfic of a story and you're trying to convince us that "the 5 people who would usually work on wvw are too busy with the expansion"

    is anyone left in here I swear if I could reach down into the Anet headquarters there would be 50 layers of dust on everything and tumbleweeds rolling across the lobby
    you write a 2000 page essay detailing the development of cooking recipes for the game yet you won't acknowledge even the existence of the wvw playerbase for 3 years
    Is this an indie company with 5 devs in total or what is going on here man
    You leave this awful relinking system up and try to convince us the server populations or relinks are managed by an algorithm which I flat out don't believe, you've got 1 intern who does it on his coffee breaks and sometimes he also forgets about it for a week or two

    oh who am I kidding Anet devs don't read this section of the forum anyway
    maybe some janitor does and I'll get an infraction for this post

    ALLIANCES WHEN

    Okay great, let's blast them for what little involvement they have on these threads. Is it not already silent enough for you?!

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:

    @Tonko.4802 said:
    Is anyone even working in this company anymore or what
    you got like 20 people to write the tumblr fanfic of a story and you're trying to convince us that "the 5 people who would usually work on wvw are too busy with the expansion"

    is anyone left in here I swear if I could reach down into the Anet headquarters there would be 50 layers of dust on everything and tumbleweeds rolling across the lobby
    you write a 2000 page essay detailing the development of cooking recipes for the game yet you won't acknowledge even the existence of the wvw playerbase for 3 years
    Is this an indie company with 5 devs in total or what is going on here man
    You leave this awful relinking system up and try to convince us the server populations or relinks are managed by an algorithm which I flat out don't believe, you've got 1 intern who does it on his coffee breaks and sometimes he also forgets about it for a week or two

    oh who am I kidding Anet devs don't read this section of the forum anyway
    maybe some janitor does and I'll get an infraction for this post

    ALLIANCES WHEN

    Okay great, let's blast them for what little involvement they have on these threads. Is it not already silent enough for you?!

    I am sure they will listen to us.

    Do you know what; #AlliamcesWhen

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if u check the other "world restr."-thread, subversion even posted the original hint for Alliances xD made in freaking 2016! that's like a museum piece. history and yet still future, that's surely a rare thing.

    allianceswhen

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    Allianceswhen

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    *Just checking back in, I'm guessing still no sign of alliances...

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    at least u guessed right, i guess. #allianceswhen

  • soon?
    Body is 5 characters too short.

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Did you ever hear the tragedy of WvW Alliances the Wise?

  • Here mist warriors, have some buffs
    guild banner tonic
    Still not as trolly as anet’s alliances

    allianceswhen

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2021

    @Tonko.4802 said:
    you got like 20 people to write the tumblr fanfic of a story and you're trying to convince us that "the 5 people who would usually work on wvw are too busy with the expansion"

    Indeed.

    Alliances WHEN!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i mean, nothing's as trolly as #allianceswhen

    funnily people really make thread now to ask "would Alliances really change anything" and "could Alliances really work"...
    let us say as much, the current system totally works not, it's really bad. and that for years, therefore either removing links to create a new everyone-unlinked system or just bringing the full planned and on enough pages discussed Alliances simply on the table.

    outside of that, other quality of life changes might be an idea as well. objectives are still worth nothing but the possibility of a good farm or just annoying the others. i think what those people, who say too much competitiveness would just lead to stacking, miss is: it never was that alive than when the tournaments been around i guess. there was real rewards, like those u can get in the spvp monthly (btw spvp had app in 2016 still a worldcupt tournament?) ... and if all people are stacked, then those "tryhards"wouldn't interfere with the casual players' "funny pirateshipping"

    even with a good link, i'm just very sick of this current format. it just repeats itself, and plays russian roulette... every once in a while another server dies and their guilds emigrate. often they go to promising server, means the "oh noes stacking" always happened, for years now. without the limitations of Alliances system to keep that controlled.

    the guilds sorta know each other anyways. the more weeks u play, the more guilds u get to know, be it on good or bad terms. servers lost their identity anyways. the desolation of 2-3 years ago is spread to 4-5 servers, WSR is since some links now not on the host bc the farm on the "holidayserver" is app better

    etcetcetc

  • subversiontwo.7501subversiontwo.7501 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2021

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    the guilds sorta know each other anyways. the more weeks u play, the more guilds u get to know, be it on good or bad terms. servers lost their identity anyways. the desolation of 2-3 years ago is spread to 4-5 servers, WSR is since some links now not on the host bc the farm on the "holidayserver" is app better

    I'm not sure how many times it needs to be said, but whether your name is Deso, WSR or Gandara, the reason guilds leave servers is because servers go full, unlinked and maps go full so they can not play with their friends. That is the same and chief reason for everyone.

    Why is the Deso of 3 years ago scattered? Perhaps because they got full, unlinked and their guilds either died or moved. WSR transfered off WSR and back again because they were full and unlinked, their two core guilds had players locked out. Then they got full and unlinked again so they left again so they could play together. Last relink Gandara was full and unlinked again which is nothing new for them but what was new for them was that their core guilds and community leaders now had players locked out, so they've just spent two weeks playing alts, mainly on RoS. You could fault them for ruining RoS eco system or you can aknowledge that the system causes these problems, not the players. The players just want to play the game with their friends and the developer is in no hurry to make sure that fundamental piece of their game actually works.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    it wasn't really in our case. or at least, only partly. the 2-years ago exodus of the guilds was bc it was overstacked and ppl got bored - since other servers mostly lacked opposition and we been stuck in t1 due to ppt people bandwagoning to link to ppt 24/7.

    then yes, two times unlinked with a fake-full status. since over 1 year we had nearly no guilds (no raid guilds) at all.

    so neither the fullness nor the unlinked been in the end the reason... but the system is messed up. i agree with you that the system is the issue tho. we need a change, and we'd need it asap. either full unlinks with few servers dissolving if too small, or just the #allianceswhen

    imo we'd also really need more rewards for ppl to play serious. i'm feeling and hearing also from others that it just gets boring now and then.

    and, a full map with half of the people never joining groups during primetime... that is in fact a player-problem only. where the #allianceswhen system could maybe fix that, by making dedicated "Wvw-guilds" more important.

    the 40 different 1-2man guilds per map just aren't healthy for a group-based largescale combat format.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:
    Did you ever hear the tragedy of WvW Alliances the Wise?

    He could save other game modes from death, but he could not save his own...

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:

    @vier.1327 said:
    Did you ever hear the tragedy of WvW Alliances the Wise?

    He could save other game modes from death, but he could not save his own...

    is it possible to learn this power

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not from a developer...

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    btw did anyone think about Wvw when they brought the hammer skin "hammer of the THREE REALMS" into the gemstore? thaha. i was slightly amused, but i miss on pretty much every item more lore descriptions, so no idea to what those "three realms" refer. pvE has way more realms, for every faction even, i think. so that cannot be it.

    also, happy #allianceswhen

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    btw did anyone think about Wvw when they brought the hammer skin "hammer of the THREE REALMS" into the gemstore? thaha. i was slightly amused, but i miss on pretty much every item more lore descriptions, so no idea to what those "three realms" refer. pvE has way more realms, for every faction even, i think. so that cannot be it.

    also, happy #allianceswhen

    My first though was actually how China was split into three kingdoms in the past.
    Since the Celestials (which this hammer is related to) are Chinese-themed, the connection is pretty easy.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 22, 2021

    i have absolutely no clue where i should put these celestials to.. are those the HoT storyline elemental monk guys, where the zephyrite ( also still have no clue what those are really) backpacks been related to?
    so that hammer was supposed to be looking like some old chinese style (while hammers are surely no classic chinese weapons afaik).... that's super random, but as good as any explaination, i guess.

    but yeah, at least there exists some story on that then. many Wvw parts either have no story infos, or those got removed. like, some NPCs have dialogues. and i saw a video from ~2012/13 where early Wvw's EBG had a special loading screen description

    "Deep within the Mists lies the Eternal Battlegrounds, a place of mystery, where worlds collide and legends are born. Stonemist Castle lies at the center of the conflict, a silent witness to the chaos of battle surrounding it."

    i found that incredibly cool, and have no clue why they removed the loading screen message, honestly. so long, #allianceswhen

  • I dont see how it will solve the GvGing issue in a game mode requiring PPT. Its a real source of frustration for both GvGers and WvWers. GvG players dont want to reach T1 or even T2 so they tank while the real WvWers are pushing to win but finally their efforts are wasted by GvGers most of the time.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    guilds take basically not space in what makes servers full. fullness is created by playtime per player, and every play hour of a person who is used to largescale is like 50 times as effective.

    therefore, despite some people have the illusion that it does, the 2 hours in ~3 days a week of GvG , does not affect the ppt score at all. in that time even many blobs are not going anywhere, bc if three 30 ppl groups of each color fight, there's just no space for real zoneblobs of 50+, not even 40 normally, on a map.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Alliances when!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Alliances ever!?

    Also, wow. Just... wow.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i'm also cycling through warning steps and deleted posts constantly ....

    hints anet, you could fix that by bringing Alliances on the table :astonished: #allianceswhen

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It really took them 2 days to notice that?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • @Kylden Ar.3724 said:
    It really took them 2 days to notice that?

    Ya I just told some guildies that. Sad really.

    allianceswhen #communicationwhen

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    What a mess... 2 days to notice that message ....

    Amaaaazing