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  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    Set your expectations low to avoid disappointment!

    allianceswhen

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2021

    While we wait for Alliances...can we REBOOT WvW?

    Use existing mechanics to Reboot WvW:
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1064947/#Comment_1064947

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.

    RebootWvW

    Yours truly,
    Diku

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 11, 2021

    No.

    15 chars

    Thank You for the {MEME}

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Too late for WvW

  • primatos.5413primatos.5413 Member ✭✭✭

    Happy page 60 all \o/

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Oh, mama, 60 pages and no Alliances...

    At least we have the meme

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:
    Oh, mama, 60 pages and no Alliances...

    At least we have the meme

    Alliances When!? Ever!?

    The meme that launched 60 pages!

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    yeah well. #allianceswhen

  • This is never going to happen. Just shut down the wvw servers. Its ded anyway.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    after some opinions there's still ppl working on it... with the new dev and an upcoming expansion, hope is up.

    if they'd shut down the wvw servers, anet will lose a lot of players. i personally have barely reason to play gw2 without Wvw. #allianceswhen

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    Just thought I'd blow the dust off GW2 and see what has changed in wvw. Oh, what, still no alliances?

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    did u wonder tho? thaha. if alliances comes, and that ain't sure at all, it will likely come whenever the expansion drops, i'd say. #allianceswhen is more a reminder that we'd still like to have this uncomfy link system gone after all those years.

  • acdspydar.8920acdspydar.8920 Member ✭✭✭

    You know what'd be funny as all hell?

    After all this time, they finally launched a WvW restructuring with alliances, but break the game mode so badly it takes them 3+ more years to fix it.

  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    My personal reason for posting #allianceswhen is for communication from the devs. Sweeping kitten under the rug and disrespecting the community that enjoys and pays for your product through little to 0 communication is absurd.
    I won’t stop my #allianceswhen until we get an official response from anet saying the project was shelved forever, or they actually come out.(laughable )
    They’re dangling the carrot and it’s kitten business ethics to have done so for this long. Own up to your mistakes.
    This is why I’ve added #communicationwhen to crusade now :)

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Calisanna.8732 said:
    My personal reason for posting #allianceswhen is for communication from the devs. Sweeping kitten under the rug and disrespecting the community that enjoys and pays for your product through little to 0 communication is absurd.
    I won’t stop my #allianceswhen until we get an official response from anet saying the project was shelved forever, or they actually come out.(laughable )
    They’re dangling the carrot and it’s kitten business ethics to have done so for this long. Own up to your mistakes.
    This is why I’ve added #communicationwhen to crusade now :)

    Agreed brother!

    Alliances Ever!? Communication when!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @acdspydar.8920 u mean, more broken than it is? let's summarize shortly... links create and disrupt communities all some months, some servers and guilds hate each other either way and will never play together, huge amounts of drama in the serverdiscords every some weeks at least;

    servers getting unlinked and/or bandwagoned in a vicious circle system. some ppl want to play only for ppt and think that's the holy grail, many others focus on fighting.

    gliders and mounts get dropped into maps that were designed for walking, making them effectively too small. yet still big spaces on these maps are outdated or unused. even whole maps (looking at eotm) are abandoned. even of the freaking system itself.

    soo yes. #allianceswhen #communicationwhen #anyinfowhen #whenwhen #pryforeod #releasedatewhen

  • SweetPotato.7456SweetPotato.7456 Member ✭✭✭

    Restructuring is taking too long, meanwhile, Link servers has poached all the players, host servers becomes link, with no one left. Everyone logs in during Map Meta to zerg around for bags, WvW has become PvE. I stop going to WvW since no one is around anymore that actually are interested in defending objective. If I want to zerg for bags, I can do Dragonfall or any one of the PvE maps. Need to works fast for a better WvW. My world crumbled! long time players left, most of the poachers are new players, they don't have server pride, just zerging around for bags and recruit any one that don't even know what WvW is about. Zerging WvW for easy bags since they cannot do other map meta.

    Need restructuring fast! thank you

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SweetPotato.7456 did u still not understand how the format works? "host" and "Link" are no set terms. hosts become links and vice versa since link system exists.

    it only means u have a lot of casual players if a server is full for too long. leading to getting farmed till the last remaining guilds quit bc ppl fill up maps and u won't ever see them doing anything serious, which is annoying to have.

    server pride died many many years ago, servers these days are faceless clusters of players. only guilds still have pride, often sadly a bit too much. the only community u find is on discord, not on the servers itself.

    wvw is a largescale gamemode. meant to have big fights, not pvE. it currently is at its pvE peak actually. if u seek for for smallscale, go spvp, there's 1v1 and 5v5 max. accept this, and don't try to fake the history of this gamemode, or its initially planned use.

  • SweetPotato.7456SweetPotato.7456 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    @SweetPotato.7456 did u still not understand how the format works? "host" and "Link" are no set terms. hosts become links and vice versa since link system exists.

    it only means u have a lot of casual players if a server is full for too long. leading to getting farmed till the last remaining guilds quit bc ppl fill up maps and u won't ever see them doing anything serious, which is annoying to have.

    server pride died many many years ago, servers these days are faceless clusters of players. only guilds still have pride, often sadly a bit too much. the only community u find is on discord, not on the servers itself.

    wvw is a largescale gamemode. meant to have big fights, not pvE. it currently is at its pvE peak actually. if u seek for for smallscale, go spvp, there's 1v1 and 5v5 max. accept this, and don't try to fake the history of this gamemode, or its initially planned use.

    What is "Initially Planned Use"

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SweetPotato.7456 here, from another post who summarized it well

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    At launch there was a mechanic called Orbs of Power. The Orbs were the real essence, not PPT. They are what WvW was originally designed for = fights for control over an object in and around buildings. You had to break into a keep and steal the Orb then bring it back to your keep and protect it. It got removed because of hacking. There was also a mechanic called Power of the Mists that gave PvE bonuses depending upon how well a server was doing in WvW. It was meant to be a bridge to bring PvE players into WvW. It was so poorly understood and advertised that PvE players were completely confused when it finally got removed.

    The biggest mistake so many WvW players make is not understanding that WvW was not designed for just capturing and holding keeps and towers. It was designed for fights that tied into keeps and towers and there was an incentive to attack keeps. Because PPT is basically a hold-over scoring system for a different game, Anet's tried to make modifications to it, including adding in PPK and using Victory Points instead of Warscore. Success has been mixed. There's still very little incentive to fight over well defended keeps.

  • SweetPotato.7456SweetPotato.7456 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    @SweetPotato.7456 here, from another post who summarized it well

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    At launch there was a mechanic called Orbs of Power. The Orbs were the real essence, not PPT. They are what WvW was originally designed for = fights for control over an object in and around buildings. You had to break into a keep and steal the Orb then bring it back to your keep and protect it. It got removed because of hacking. There was also a mechanic called Power of the Mists that gave PvE bonuses depending upon how well a server was doing in WvW. It was meant to be a bridge to bring PvE players into WvW. It was so poorly understood and advertised that PvE players were completely confused when it finally got removed.

    The biggest mistake so many WvW players make is not understanding that WvW was not designed for just capturing and holding keeps and towers. It was designed for fights that tied into keeps and towers and there was an incentive to attack keeps. Because PPT is basically a hold-over scoring system for a different game, Anet's tried to make modifications to it, including adding in PPK and using Victory Points instead of Warscore. Success has been mixed. There's still very little incentive to fight over well defended keeps.

    This has nothing to do with what you said at all.
    I am all for having PPT Guild + Fight Guild + Havoc Guild, not just one blob at one specific time of the day. Not looking bleakly while enemy flip your objective where no one help to defend. Not calling out an attack on your T3 objective and the commander purposely log out.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    havoc barely really exist anymore and aren't doing much, since small group cannot have big effects anymore on bigger ones due to all the target cap and damage nerfs.

    ppl usually only defend stuff, if it makes sense to do so. like going with 5 against 20 is sheer pointless, as it is often with having 15 pugs against 30 guildgroup players. no real comm does "log on purpose" if there is content. he might have led yet for hours or has to go for other reasons. t3 keeps are usually defended against bigger group, if your "commander" has a bigger group as well.

    that point has not really changed since years. its harder to defend in undernumbers, but with a lot of siegehugging, the ppters still do that with big effort on known servers. defending is just overall more easy for defenders, so ppl normally don't fight in objectives, it's straight unfair to fight. if u play off-hours, there gets nothing defended, if one side has NA zergs and the other only few EU pugs, idk.

    also, due to map capacity tune downs, zergs or blobs from other maps cannot just hop to yours. 1) they would not fit back into the border they left afterwards 2) they might not even fit your border with sufficient numbers 3) if they don't fit in fully, still defend it, they are kinda stuck. their group split up and cannot go back nor stay here effectively, so gotta hop to other borders, then Q pops, then the map is 100% full due to panic calls on teamchat.

    next your map is filled with pugs and if the enemy zerg attacks the t3 objective again, and the comm hoped borders to reunite his squad, he just won't be able to help u again. in these cases enemy only needs 35-40ish groups to farm your 50 pugs for quite some time or just take the keep.

    towers just flip faster, since walls have less HP than they originally had, while siege dmg did not get lowered. (keeps also, but they have 2 walls as we know)

  • Vardy.3592Vardy.3592 Member ✭✭

    Alliances When?

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    I am still believe in our crusade! #AlliancesWhen.

  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    allianceswhen #communication when.

    This thread should always be up top XD

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crazy.6029 said:
    I wonder if Anet has running jokes going around the office about alliances or if its a dirty word that nobody speaks about. If it is a joke, they probably have a betting pool going on how long it takes us the players to realize it isn't ever coming out. I just want to hear some of the jokes they got going about it :)

    They probably can't talk about it honestly because if they admit that they have been manipulating links to promote gem sales in a pay to win scenario, they might run afoul of some laws in the EU...

    Alliances ever? Communication When!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    cannot play currently due to injured arm, but shall not be stopped from writing #allianceswhen #infowhen #communicationwhen #wvwmatters

  • Cant beleive how old this thread is back from 2018!, whats happened? WvW is well worth working on and many players love it despite all the criticism, I for one would probably not bother playing GW2 if it went all together. At this point any change to WvW has to be for the better. Why are 'worlds' or servers or whatever you call them, split between US and Europe, geographically anyway. My simplistic view, its just a computer where people logon to play the game and game mates and guilds and alliances can arrange times to be together online 'in world' Shouldn't it be just one big mega server on 24 hrs a day and ppl pick and choose when they play. A season as suggested of 8 weeks is too long IMO why not make the season the same length as the match. I dunno but I do know its a mess at the moment and any work done on the system could be an improvement, from my laymans point of view seems like there is too much choice and division and needs more of a keep it simple approach not more complicated.

  • Baldrick.8967Baldrick.8967 Member ✭✭✭

    It's only been over three years, didn't Anet say 'soon' when they posted...

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Baldrick.8967 said:
    It's only been over three years, didn't Anet say 'soon' when they posted...

    Time works differently in WvW

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:

    @Baldrick.8967 said:
    It's only been over three years, didn't Anet say 'soon' when they posted...

    Time works differently in WvW

    Time works differently in The Mist

  • @Zaraki.5784 said:
    Well I still don't know what to say about it, but seeing you arena-guys didn't forget about WvW is great. :)

    Sooo its 2021 now and this still hasn't happened, im starting to wonder.

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SiLeNcE.3512 said:

    @Zaraki.5784 said:
    Well I still don't know what to say about it, but seeing you arena-guys didn't forget about WvW is great. :)

    Sooo its 2021 now and this still hasn't happened, im starting to wonder.

    Indeed my brother, so again we ask:

    Alliances ever!? Communication when!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vier.1327 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:

    @Baldrick.8967 said:
    It's only been over three years, didn't Anet say 'soon' when they posted...

    Time works differently in WvW

    Time works differently in The Mist

    Here it's only been three days since the announcement. Maybe we should get off their case...

    The next time you get angry at someone try walking a mile in their shoes. After that, who cares! You're a mile away and you have their shoes! -Someone with more awesome quotes than me

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    so we skipped april's fools, bc still no alliance is a permanent aprils fool :P (the choya battletonic was fun tho)

    and here we go again, #allianceswhen

    @distant.9403 actually the oldest posts that announced Wvw alliance system been found in late 2016 i think, latest 2017. so technically is even longer.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think it comes down to confidence. People have lost their confidence in Anet when it comes to alliances. I feel at this point if they do not deliver it would be hard to recover from. I personally believe that Alliances and Legendary Armory will be parts of the next expansion. Even though they shouldn't be. But it would encourage people to buy the expansion non the less. If this does happen its bad form on their part.

                                                              There is a 50% chance you will not agree with me and a 50% chance I will not agree with you
    
  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if anet really thinks that way, that's weird af. imo these old promised things should simply have happened ages ago. nobody buys the expansion bc of them. every remotely active player will buy the expansions to play the new elite specs.

    its just a bit sad how rejected Wvw gets. for a lot of people it's the only reason to log even in, no matter what the "daedgaem" trolls say. alone from my guild, ppl barely play outside of the two guild runs + resets. since our guild leader is atm on break, several ppl barely log in. including myself, tho for me its also that i'm still injured... the fast movements during Wvw aren't easy for ruptured nerves to handle ^^

    and to close this, let me add the obligatory #allianceswhen

  • K THEN.5162K THEN.5162 Member ✭✭✭

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    I think it comes down to confidence. People have lost their confidence in Anet when it comes to alliances. I feel at this point if they do not deliver it would be hard to recover from. I personally believe that Alliances and Legendary Armory will be parts of the next expansion. Even though they shouldn't be. But it would encourage people to buy the expansion non the less. If this does happen its bad form on their part.

    Preach my brother! The problem is, 3+ years is way too long to release a promised feature and Anet has built themselves into quite the corner because of it. Releasing Alliances will fail to bring people like myself who quit GW2 back into the game while it will cause mass player drop-off if they do announce that they canceled it. They now have the choice of spending doomed resources for a feature that will not provide the company with great benefit, or they can cut the rope and lose a decent size of their game's player base. There is simply no good option

    WHAT?!? Did you expect something special would be written here

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @K THEN.5162 said:

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    I think it comes down to confidence. People have lost their confidence in Anet when it comes to alliances. I feel at this point if they do not deliver it would be hard to recover from. I personally believe that Alliances and Legendary Armory will be parts of the next expansion. Even though they shouldn't be. But it would encourage people to buy the expansion non the less. If this does happen its bad form on their part.

    Preach my brother! The problem is, 3+ years is way too long to release a promised feature and Anet has built themselves into quite the corner because of it. Releasing Alliances will fail to bring people like myself who quit GW2 back into the game while it will cause mass player drop-off if they do announce that they canceled it. They now have the choice of spending doomed resources for a feature that will not provide the company with great benefit, or they can cut the rope and lose a decent size of their game's player base. There is simply no good option

    Preach my lost WvW brother!

    My guilds bleed members to other games that deliver promises kept!

    Alliances ever!? Communication when!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Aury.1367Aury.1367 Member ✭✭✭

    Anet wont ever release Alliances as long as they get money like kitten from transfers. As soon as they find a way to keep milking us with alliances, they will push it.

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    Everyday Alliance is not in game, Primordius eats a dog puppy... Arenanet you are the one that can stop it.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    hello noalliances, my old friend,
    i come to #allianceswhen at you again.

    @Aury.1367 said:
    Anet wont ever release Alliances as long as they get money like kitten from transfers. As soon as they find a way to keep milking us with alliances, they will push it.

    the link system as such is just unhealthy for Wvw. even without alliances, i'd like to see it gone. full unlinked > link system | alliances > full unlinked imho.

    and they just will get money from that transfers, naturally. some people still believe tiers have any worth. others are forced to transfer for content.

    most players don't frequently transfer and farm the gems ingame tho. one of my guildies even just deletes all his characters so he gets a free transfer xD (he lives in a poor country, so i understand that, isn't about beeing greedy) like even if u take the 80 WSR guilds of Kill, LAYS, FAIR who jump servers all six months at least do not make that much of transfer money. the clueless pugs who only seek for the biggest ppt server may hop often initially, but i sorta doubt that most do this consistenly over the years. it'd be just too expensive for questionable real use.

  • Calisanna.8732Calisanna.8732 Member ✭✭✭

    I had almost given up my personal part of the crusade with #allianceswhen #communicationwhen
    But seeing this thread have a little action brings me back.

    Meme on fellow mist warriors!

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Calisanna.8732 said:
    I had almost given up my personal part of the crusade with #allianceswhen #communicationwhen
    But seeing this thread have a little action brings me back.

    Meme on fellow mist warriors!

    That which is not dead can eternal ask:

    Alliances ever!? Communication when!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    so we skipped april's fools, bc still no alliance is a permanent aprils fool :P (the choya battletonic was fun tho)

    and here we go again, #allianceswhen

    @distant.9403 actually the oldest posts that announced Wvw alliance system been found in late 2016 i think, latest 2017. so technically is even longer.

    Seems right in-line with their typical mode of operation. It took them at least 5.5yr to make a build-template system after hinting that they were working on it in June 2014 and were soliciting opinions. & that was something they could at least monetize.

    I don’t see how they could monetize alliances. If they made owning the expac a requirement for alliances, would everyone who didn’t own it be suddenly blocked from WvW? Or just be forced to operate as solo-players that get forcefully relocating to whichever alliance needs extra bodies instead of traveling with their guild’s alliance?

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ppl just think it might come with the expansion since it (the expansion) has basically a new load of content dropping there either way. there's zero real evidence that even anyone works on alliances, or that it isn't dropped yet. it will 100% not be expansion locked, that would be pretty weird and makes no real sense.

    this thread is a mix of meme and hope, but also simply to remind them of their words. honestly, the biggest mistake ever is to plainly think about monetarizing everything... in the end that tactic probably costs companies a lot more income from the sales alone. first u have to offer something great and keep it running, then u can talk about having it make more money.

    caring about how they make money is not the users/players problem, it really weirds me off how often it's taken into argumentation in this forum. if i remember the sales numbers, gw2 isn't one of Arenanet's worse moneymakers.
    besides: most people forget how much money is made with Anet just having people alternative accounts, on several servers, some even on both EU and NA. that is often double sales, since barely anyone of them has really the patience to level by hand (it got easier lately, wasn't for a very long time since u could not transfer lv80 exotic gear always etc etc)

    and to stay ontopic #allianceswhen

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not buying EoD if it doesn't have Alliances. Tired of paying money to play the same maps I played 12 years ago.

    Alliances when!?

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    tbh, i donut think alliances, if it comes, will be exactly bound to buying the EoD content. but it'd also wish to see it asap... it's literally 5 minutes before midnight.

    therefore, #allianceswhen

  • vier.1327vier.1327 Member ✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    tbh, i donut think alliances, if it comes, will be exactly bound to buying the EoD content. but it'd also wish to see it asap... it's literally 5 minutes before midnight.

    therefore, #allianceswhen

    I agree with you, just like the desert map was not bound to Having HoT.

    Still, we have no guarantees that WvW Alliances will be part of EoD.