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The natural food for Asura?

The question is in the title. I have not found this answer after a bit searching and I was wondering if any Loremasters here had found evidence of what was the Asura diet before they built their magic-based civilization?

I am not wondering what modern asura consume. With magic and golems, they have culinary access to any foodstuff on the planet. The only examples of Asuran food or cuisine I could find were from the Gastronom Plikk NPC who sells edibles which are clearly magically synthetic and processed. There is also the discontinued 'Krewe Bar' which sounds like an energy bar or ration survival bars.

I am curious what primitive Asura survived on before they developed magitech? The Asura are clearly carnivores with all those sharp, little teeth, but we know they lived underground. What were their prey? Giant grubs? Wurms? Destroyers? I stumbled over a related thread making the interesting suggestion that Asura were originally aquatic which would make fish the mainstay of their early diet, but I'm not sure I buy into that theory.

The cuisine of other races is less mysterious. Way back when we started our characters, we are shown human farmlands or the charr herd pens (and their barbeque mastery). I suspect the norns once farmed grains to ferment into ale before they were forced into the Shiverpeaks, and now they probably have switched more to mead (Even if you don't drink I would suggest giving mead or honey wine a sip. It tastes great). And we know from the books sylvari eat meat and being based on humans it's not surprising their diet would be similar. Though one does wonder if being a carnivore is like being a vegetarian to sylvari lol

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  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭

    There is some old EOTN promotional materials which show and talk about concepts of the asura at a much more primitive level. I don't recall off the top of my head if there was anything indicating what their diet might be, but if I can find the magazine I might be able to chase it up.

    One thing to note regarding the norn is that despite the name, there is a lot to indicate that the Shiverpeaks aren't actually frozen year-round, apart from the actual peaks themselves and the areas corrupted by Jormag - if I recall correctly, not even pine forests can survive if the ground is permanently covered by snow. Most of the time we've been in the Shiverpeaks has been hinted to be in the colder portions of the year, as well. So it's possible that barley and other grains that can be made into ale can be grown as a summer crop in the valleys of the Shiverpeaks, making it available for brewing by both the norn and the dwarves.

    I would agree regarding mead, though. It surprises me that mead is such a niche thing these days.

  • I don't know from where, but I distinctly recall mushrooms being listed as their primary source of food, and the meatiness of fungus being the reason for their sharky teeth.

  • Ardid.7203Ardid.7203 Member ✭✭✭

    They were underground dwellers. So I have always believed their basic foods were those things you find in caves: worms, fish, insects, fungi, lichen, etc.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭

    @arenta.2953 said:

    @Ardid.7203 said:
    They were underground dwellers. So I have always believed their basic foods were those things you find in caves: worms, fish, insects, fungi, lichen, etc.

    skritt?

    underground dwellers do tend to eat eachother xD

    laughs Yep, and so do above ground dwellers.

    I certainly could imagine early asura eating early skritt. They hate the skritt and consider them inferior beings that need killing; add to that their carnivorous teeth and their ruthless practicality and there'd be no reason -not- to eat skritt unless skritt taste bad or are poisonous to asura.

  • @draxynnic.3719 said:
    There is some old EOTN promotional materials which show and talk about concepts of the asura at a much more primitive level. I don't recall off the top of my head if there was anything indicating what their diet might be, but if I can find the magazine I might be able to chase it up.

    That would be cool if you could locate that article, but don't stress over it.

    I would agree regarding mead, though. It surprises me that mead is such a niche thing these days.

    IKR? Mead can be hard to find, I don't know why it's not more popular.

    @arenta.2953 said:
    skritt?

    underground dwellers do tend to eat eachother xD

    Yipes, though that would make sense. Have we ever seen anything to indicate how the Skritt feel about Asura? A history like would make Skritt terrified of them, though given the Skritt's odd mental idiosyncrasies maybe they forgot about the past.

    I think giant wurms would be a good food source. I have an image of a bunch of primitive Asura devising bizarre contraptions and attacking in a ferocious horde like the Kakamora from the movie Moana :)

  • Rognik.2579Rognik.2579 Member ✭✭✭

    @DoctorOverlord.8620 said:
    Have we ever seen anything to indicate how the Skritt feel about Asura? A history like would make Skritt terrified of them, though given the Skritt's odd mental idiosyncrasies maybe they forgot about the past.

    Sadly, we learn very little about the skritt's history. In fact, I think most of the lore about asura hating skritt is found outside the game, rather than within. We have seen how much more intelligent skritt can get when even just a few of them are gathered together, and why the asura would see them as threats, but as far as culture, that's bare bones. Even the skritt themselves are a jumbled mess, being either allied or enemies dependent solely on the map.

    I think giant wurms would be a good food source. I have an image of a bunch of primitive Asura devising bizarre contraptions and attacking in a ferocious horde like the Kakamora from the movie Moana :)

    Considering that we've seen many places even on surface Tyria have places where you can get grub meat, I think it's safe to assume that the grubs were a source of food for asura, although whether they had grub farms or instead hunted them regularly is one of those things obscured in history. Mushrooms are also an assumed staple, although little other plants would grow in caves. However, after seeing Rata Novans use fiberoptic cable to create fake sunlight in their cave dwelling, it was probably just a matter of time before they had proper underground farms.

  • @Rognik.2579 said:
    Considering that we've seen many places even on surface Tyria have places where you can get grub meat, I think it's safe to assume that the grubs were a source of food for asura, although whether they had grub farms or instead hunted them regularly is one of those things obscured in history. Mushrooms are also an assumed staple, although little other plants would grow in caves. However, after seeing Rata Novans use fiberoptic cable to create fake sunlight in their cave dwelling, it was probably just a matter of time before they had proper underground farms.

    It does sound reasonable that grubs and mushrooms would be food staples for early asura culture. Certainly grubs would be easier to handle than giant wurms. If that is the case, I wonder if asura would consider roasted grub as 'comfort food' they enjoy as a break from their processed edibles or imported products.

    Or perhaps grub meat might be considered a culturally significant dish, but one which modern asura do not really like and seldom eat except on special occasions (the asura equivalent of Scottish haggis : ) )

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭

    Obviously they eat chicken strips and French fries

    I have the high ground.

  • Sombra.3246Sombra.3246 Member ✭✭✭

    @DoctorOverlord.8620 said:
    The question is in the title. I have not found this answer after a bit searching and I was wondering if any Loremasters here had found evidence of what was the Asura diet before they built their magic-based civilization?

    I am not wondering what modern asura consume. With magic and golems, they have culinary access to any foodstuff on the planet. The only examples of Asuran food or cuisine I could find were from the Gastronom Plikk NPC who sells edibles which are clearly magically synthetic and processed. There is also the discontinued 'Krewe Bar' which sounds like an energy bar or ration survival bars.

    I am curious what primitive Asura survived on before they developed magitech? The Asura are clearly carnivores with all those sharp, little teeth, but we know they lived underground. What were their prey? Giant grubs? Wurms? Destroyers? I stumbled over a related thread making the interesting suggestion that Asura were originally aquatic which would make fish the mainstay of their early diet, but I'm not sure I buy into that theory.

    The cuisine of other races is less mysterious. Way back when we started our characters, we are shown human farmlands or the charr herd pens (and their barbeque mastery). I suspect the norns once farmed grains to ferment into ale before they were forced into the Shiverpeaks, and now they probably have switched more to mead (Even if you don't drink I would suggest giving mead or honey wine a sip. It tastes great). And we know from the books sylvari eat meat and being based on humans it's not surprising their diet would be similar. Though one does wonder if being a carnivore is like being a vegetarian to sylvari lol

    They east Booka brains for breakfast,
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  • I don't have the original source for this as it seems to be gone but there are some archived lore interviews still around the web. One in particular expands on what AstralDusk said.
    Source

    Q: If they have such sharp teeth, does that mean they are primarily meat eaters?

    Jeff: Asura are omnivores. Their teeth are adapted particularly for catching wild game in the Depths of Tyria and ripping apart the stone-like fungus that infests those caverns.

    Some more information hidden inside another question from a German interview Source

    Jeff Grubb: [...] So they've not gone totally cavefish. They've got very sharp teeth,they're omnivores and raised animals down there plus survived with fungus and all sorts of things. They adapted very well to their underground environment and now have adapted to the surface as well.

  • @WhiteSphere.1597 said:

    Q: If they have such sharp teeth, does that mean they are primarily meat eaters?

    Jeff: Asura are omnivores. Their teeth are adapted particularly for catching wild game in the Depths of Tyria and ripping apart the stone-like fungus that infests those caverns.

    Yes! That was exactly what I was thinking of, "ripping apart the stone-like fungus." Good find. I forgot the wild game part.

  • Crinn.7864Crinn.7864 Member ✭✭✭

    Given that Asuran teeth are all pointed, they would have to be carnivorous.

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭

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  • arenta.2953arenta.2953 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2018

    so, Fungi, mushrooms, small creatures like rats-skritt-, lizards, and so on. (underground you eat or get eaten). probably some fish that exist in the unconfirmed underground pools of water (trying to think what dark elves eat in Dungeons and Dragons.....)

    of coarse...upon arrival to the surface, they probably went nuts after discovering the chicken. far tastier

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭

    The image of a proto-Asura in a loincloth chasing down and ripping apart a big underground slug or somesuch with her bare teeth amuses me.

    Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.

  • arenta.2953arenta.2953 Member ✭✭✭

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    The image of a proto-Asura in a loincloth chasing down and ripping apart a big underground slug or somesuch with her bare teeth amuses me.

    ripping into anything with those sharp teeth amuses me xD

  • DoctorOverlord.8620DoctorOverlord.8620 Member ✭✭
    edited February 6, 2018

    Thank you very much WhiteSphere! That was very helpful and great that you included the link to the source. I couldn't ask for better :)

    @Crinn.7864 said:
    Given that Asuran teeth are all pointed, they would have to be carnivorous.

    That's what I would have thought, but the quote from Jeff seems to indicate one of their primitive food was the stone-like fungi in Tyria. Justine gives the helpful link:

    My ears! I guess when Jeff said "wild game in the Depths of Tyria and ripping apart the stone-like fungus" who would have thought wild game and the fungi could be the same thing?
    But the wiki makes them sound like they are intelligent beings. I guess we're back the idea of asura eating other sentient species lol

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    The image of a proto-Asura in a loincloth chasing down and ripping apart a big underground slug or somesuch with her bare teeth amuses me.

    I think even a proto-Asura would have a rock or some sort of tool, but yes, that is a grin-inducing image.

  • draxynnic.3719draxynnic.3719 Member ✭✭✭

    @DoctorOverlord.8620 said:
    But the wiki makes them sound like they are intelligent beings. I guess we're back the idea of asura eating other sentient species lol

    Well, the mushroom-people we see in HoT aren't going to be the only fungi around. There are various non-sentient mushrooms that we harvest in-game, and Guild Wars 1 had the Fungal Blooms and similar enemies (https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Fungal_Bloom) which are probably not intelligent.

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭

    Speculation based on their teeth and natural habitat.
    They had sharp teeth, and lived subterranean, which makes me think their was a majority of
    amphibian and fish meat, added with some insects, and mostly mushrooms as vegetation.
    Just a guess, though.

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  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2018

    Have you seen an Asura's teeth? I'm pretty sure there aren't any molars on there, so it's safe to assume they primarily ate meat. Given that they lived underground, I would hazard a guess that their diet consisted mostly of subterranean fish or dwarfs.

  • I'm going to say what nobody else wants to admit.

    Early Asuran tribes held IQ tests, and celebrated the winners by barbecuing the lowest-scoring individual.

  • DoctorOverlord.8620DoctorOverlord.8620 Member ✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018

    @draxynnic.3719 said:
    Well, the mushroom-people we see in HoT aren't going to be the only fungi around. There are various non-sentient mushrooms that we harvest in-game, and Guild Wars 1 had the Fungal Blooms and similar enemies (https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Fungal_Bloom) which are probably not intelligent.

    True, although I wonder if primitive asura would have cared about whether their food supply was intelligent when they were fighting for survival. Nowadays they have their unique ethical standards (and sense of aesthetics), but what were they like back then? I think "terrifying" would probably be an appropriate adjective :)

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Have you seen an Asura's teeth? I'm pretty sure there aren't any molars on there, so it's safe to assume they primarily ate meat. Given that they lived underground, I would hazard a guess that their diet consisted mostly of subterranean fish or dwarfs.

    What did the German interview say - "survived with fungus and_ all sorts of things_." Yipes, I never considered dwarves.

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:
    I'm going to say what nobody else wants to admit.

    Early Asuran tribes held IQ tests, and celebrated the winners by barbecuing the lowest-scoring individual.

    Okay, now that is absolutely horrifying in its plausibility....

  • Asura teeth look like the teeth of insect eating mammals (like hedgehogs or moles). So I always assumed them to be naturally insectivores.

  • Zedek.8932Zedek.8932 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2018

    Excelsior.

    We have shark teeth because we need them to tear apart cave funghi.
    That's what some aNet guy said in like 2012 before release during an interview. I can get you the actual quote if required, but that PDF is stored on my tablet and not right at my hands while typing this.

    EDIT: Alrighty, that's what happens when you scroll down a few responses, type something and then read the thread from the bottom to the top. Ehh.
    At least I know that guy's name now. Will forget later I guess.

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  • arenta.2953arenta.2953 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cragga the Eighty Third.6015 said:
    I'm going to say what nobody else wants to admit.

    Early Asuran tribes held IQ tests, and celebrated the winners by barbecuing the lowest-scoring individual.

    thats not fair.

    we also barbecued anyone who didn't score in the top 10% <.<

  • whatever asura eat, it makes their offspring extra tasty. Now... could someone please show me the way to the Rata Sum Nursery? I feel a bit peckish.

  • arenta.2953arenta.2953 Member ✭✭✭

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    whatever asura eat, it makes their offspring extra tasty. Now... could someone please show me the way to the Rata Sum Nursery? I feel a bit peckish.

    of coarse. follow me this way =D

    *points down corridor labeled "Inquest Test Subject Volunteers" *

    (and people wonder how we Inquest get so many Volunteers.....hell all i had to do was tell the Charr i'd make him bigger and he was perfectly happy.....even if i didn't tell him i ment bigger in that i'm grafting golem appendages on him. he's bigger like i promised.........but one of those appendages was somethign he liked.....needless to say he wont be reproducing....needed space for the zap gun)

  • Clearly they are subterranean mole people so: grubs, worms and stealing from people's gardens.

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  • @arenta.2953 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    whatever asura eat, it makes their offspring extra tasty. Now... could someone please show me the way to the Rata Sum Nursery? I feel a bit peckish.

    of coarse. follow me this way =D

    *points down corridor labeled "Inquest Test Subject Volunteers" *

    (and people wonder how we Inquest get so many Volunteers.....hell all i had to do was tell the Charr i'd make him bigger and he was perfectly happy.....even if i didn't tell him i ment bigger in that i'm grafting golem appendages on him. he's bigger like i promised.........but one of those appendages was somethign he liked.....needless to say he wont be reproducing....needed space for the zap gun)

    So that's how the Molten Berserker got those cybernetic parts!

  • arenta.2953arenta.2953 Member ✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @arenta.2953 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    whatever asura eat, it makes their offspring extra tasty. Now... could someone please show me the way to the Rata Sum Nursery? I feel a bit peckish.

    of coarse. follow me this way =D

    *points down corridor labeled "Inquest Test Subject Volunteers" *

    (and people wonder how we Inquest get so many Volunteers.....hell all i had to do was tell the Charr i'd make him bigger and he was perfectly happy.....even if i didn't tell him i ment bigger in that i'm grafting golem appendages on him. he's bigger like i promised.........but one of those appendages was somethign he liked.....needless to say he wont be reproducing....needed space for the zap gun)

    So that's how the Molten Berserker got those cybernetic parts!

    ....thats what you call him now?

    if you see him, tell him i forgot the bolt for his cerebral interface...so he'll be unable to speak properly until i put it back in

  • Easy. Asuran are probably in age up there with the Mursaat; where do you think they went? mmmm Come to think of it; there are not very many children outside the protection of main cities or near cave entrances either. Definitely meat eaters with those pointy teeth; though the occasional Sylvari salad after experiments concluded was probably on the plate too.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2018

    @arenta.2953 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @arenta.2953 said:

    @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    whatever asura eat, it makes their offspring extra tasty. Now... could someone please show me the way to the Rata Sum Nursery? I feel a bit peckish.

    of coarse. follow me this way =D

    *points down corridor labeled "Inquest Test Subject Volunteers" *

    (and people wonder how we Inquest get so many Volunteers.....hell all i had to do was tell the Charr i'd make him bigger and he was perfectly happy.....even if i didn't tell him i ment bigger in that i'm grafting golem appendages on him. he's bigger like i promised.........but one of those appendages was somethign he liked.....needless to say he wont be reproducing....needed space for the zap gun)

    So that's how the Molten Berserker got those cybernetic parts!

    ....thats what you call him now?

    if you see him, tell him i forgot the bolt for his cerebral interface...so he'll be unable to speak properly until i put it back in

    Don't worry, he found a way to speak in the Mists. But only when his life partner pisses him off by being weak.

  • @VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig.3618 said:
    Asura teeth look like the teeth of insect eating mammals (like hedgehogs or moles). So I always assumed them to be naturally insectivores.

    That is a very good point! I had not thought about hedgehogs. Even though the fungi is the official lore on their food, they are stated to be omnivores too so grubs must have been part of their diet.

    I wonder if there are modern nutritionist asura who are promoting a move away from processed and foreign surface food and a return to a healthier fungus/grub based diet (sort of their equivalent of Paleo eating lol)

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @arenta.2953 said:

    if you see him, tell him i forgot the bolt for his cerebral interface...so he'll be unable to speak properly until i put it back in

    Don't worry, he found a way to speak in the Mists. But only when his life partner pisses him off by being weak.

    Thanks for that little scene, it was great :)

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