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  • Dayra.7405Dayra.7405 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There will be no expansion during LS5. And LS5 should keep us (a bit) busy till end of 2020.
    A bit early to speculate what comes in 2021.

  • Xstein.2187Xstein.2187 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2019

    @Cronospere.8143 said:
    like 90% .. they will release it. Because if they dont they will slowly lose a lot of players

    Dude, they are loosing players now.
    I wish reddit was as optimistic as this forum was.
    Even Wooden Potatoes in his video said that he was now questioning weather they would make another expansion.

    Before Pax, I would have said there was a 85-90% chance there was going to be an expansion. After Pax, since people were starving simply to know what was going on and not revealing anything of a planned expansion, even just 'it's planned", would have been a fairly stupid decision, I felt there was an 80% chance there was NOT going to be an expansion. I also felt like if they didn't release any assurance this week than that percentage would raise to 90% and then slowly raise over time until after the next living story was finished and beyond.

    What if NcSoft won't allow Anet to have the resources to make a new expansion? What if NcSoft or Anet doesn't think a new expansion will financially be worth it given the needed resources? What if Anet doesn't think they can handle it anymore after the lay offs without compromising the game in the meantime? What if NcSoft would rather invest in other games? What if gw2 population continues to decline because they didn't tell anybody they even planned on making another expansion, causing NcSoft to once again cut costs?

    If they don't have an expansion planned, they are not going to say anything, even in difficult times when people are questioning it. That is exactly what is happening now.
    It is not like Anet is going to announce, "NcSoft said we can't have to resources needed to produce an expansion and we therefore are just going to get as much money out of this while prolonging our jobs and the game for as long as possible before NcSoft shuts us down."
    It's not going to happen.

  • Cobra.6509Cobra.6509 Member ✭✭✭

    "LW episodes only" is maintenance mode. They are working with 20-30 devs to do these episodes and we will get them along with some other recycled assets until everybody leave.

  • This has been clearly clarified by Anet, right after the massive layoff happened: Up to date There are no plans for a future expansion

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @yefluke.3168 said:
    Since MMORPG games are in the age of decline, and new expansion will most likely release in late 2019.

    I mean ff14 and eso saw big growth this year and classic is smashing it but aight.

    As for expansion 3, it will be at least 2 years befire lw5 ends so at that point idk, i personally doubt it.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    https://www.pcgamesn.com/guild-wars-2/new-expansion

    No expansion in the works, its an "its on the table".

  • @zealex.9410 said:
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/guild-wars-2/new-expansion

    No expansion in the works, its an "its on the table".

    Expansion will never happen.
    Anet can't get alliances out the door after nearly 2 years, do you really think they have the talent or manpower to do an expansion?

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its been cut and dry that they have FOUR full content teams working on the game now. Which means when their development cycles rotate we'll be getting regular content.

    Saying Living World is maintenance mode is laughable, because PvE content is the lifeblood of the game. Getting entire map expansions every few months is phenomenal for an MMO. Also alliances is a WvW feature so isn't a priority for the main teams.

    My hype for "Season 5" is still stronger than the finale to Season 4 because of how its bringing out all the stops for player accessibility. Using all the content and features all masteries provide is another layer on that cake. When they are ready to bring out another set of elite specs and collection sets, we'll get an expansion.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Considering pcgamesn, here's what to understand: "We know that a lot of players want expansion, but don't want to make it /deliver it right now, please stand by, and remember soon TM." They think what they want to achieve currently is perfectly doable with the Icebrood Saga. Simple, season 5 will cover so many different maps not sharing a similar theme so they can make it as an expansion, but rather like living season 3. HOT was full sylvari, POF was full human, but that one seems to be half charr half norn. NO Asura. And I hope A LOT that the 3rd expac is coming after: DOT Depths Of Tyria for Asura/Dwarfs. All races would be covered that way. I hope that Saga is awesome.

    Shiny links, take a look!
    ->Ideas: Housing , Designing a new lounge , New GameMode
    ->Project: ASURAN EXPANSION available on WIKI.
    ->NEW: Crucible of Eternity path 4: Legacy on WIKI
    ->NEW Asurapedia

  • yefluke.3168yefluke.3168 Member ✭✭
    edited September 5, 2019

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    Its been cut and dry that they have FOUR full content teams working on the game now. Which means when their development cycles rotate we'll be getting regular content.

    Saying Living World is maintenance mode is laughable, because PvE content is the lifeblood of the game. Getting entire map expansions every few months is phenomenal for an MMO. Also alliances is a WvW feature so isn't a priority for the main teams.

    My hype for "Season 5" is still stronger than the finale to Season 4 because of how its bringing out all the stops for player accessibility. Using all the content and features all masteries provide is another layer on that cake. When they are ready to bring out another set of elite specs and collection sets, we'll get an expansion.

    For casual player like me...
    I don't think it bring the life that much in reality. We got living world episode for every 3-4 month... but finish it within 2-4 hours and some collaborative grinding repetitive map events...... which questionable reward...
    ... unlike expansion pack. there are more to explore and new play style to experiment.
    The living world content doesn't really match the expansive mechanic of the expansion.

    This year my 4 of 5 guilds disbanded, a lotttttt of my friends gradually permanently leave the game ....

    Good sign of bright future??? I'm really 99% sure that there are unlikely 3rd expansion soon.
    People patience will wear out... and yeah one of you here might already leave the game in mid 2020.

  • Dejavu on this thread from prior to the guild wars 2 announcement when eotn was the half expansion.

    • Port the game to a console. It's not to complicated to do so.
    • Cross play across systems.
    • Close off areas of the map
      ** dead areas lose players
      ** have limited event access or something
      ** Dragon death altered reality.. Use that to kill off statistically dead sections.

    • introduce a battle royale mode. There was one after hunger games came out... But not quite up to snuff...
      ** on second thought, the game engine doesn't support collision mechanics to that degree...

    • provide something for mobile.

    • Cantha would be awesome. Just sayin. It's what got me into GW back before NF release.
  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    i think they will make a 3rd one after ls5. but it's a long time till then. we can't know yet.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @chad.8701 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:
    https://www.pcgamesn.com/guild-wars-2/new-expansion

    No expansion in the works, its an "its on the table".

    Expansion will never happen.

    remind me of Vanilla GW2 Developer's statements

  • XYLO.7031XYLO.7031 Member ✭✭✭

    @hugo.4705 said:
    I want my asura expansion D: they already did it with Utopia, not again!

    I agree. I want the Asura engineer to have ASURA TECH on top of it. Steampunk works for the furries because of their Black Citadel theme. Asura love plox.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2019

    @coso.9173 said:
    i think they will make a 3rd one after ls5. but it's a long time till then. we can't know yet.

    Considering it takes about 2 years to make an expansion, if they aren't working on it right now (and all the info we're getting from Anet suggests they aren't), then they won't have one ready for when LS5 ends.
    Theoretically they could make one for after LS6, but it's so far away in the future, there would be no point for it - either the game would already die for lack of it, or it would somehow survive without it, which would mean it would not be needed at all.
    So far it's clear they are hoping for the latter. Maybe because they simply do not have any other option (in example due to lack of resources), who knows.

    Still, it does strongly seem like PoF was the last of the expansions we're going to ever see.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • finkle.9513finkle.9513 Member ✭✭✭

    I thought this drip fed bs of 5 mins worth of content in the form of Saga's was the new model instead of a expansion.. lucky us!!

  • Mil.3562Mil.3562 Member ✭✭✭

    @Xstein.2187 said:

    @Cronospere.8143 said:
    like 90% .. they will release it. Because if they dont they will slowly lose a lot of players

    Dude, they are loosing players now.
    I wish reddit was as optimistic as this forum was.
    Even Wooden Potatoes in his video said that he was now questioning weather they would make another expansion.

    Before Pax, I would have said there was a 85-90% chance there was going to be an expansion. After Pax, since people were starving simply to know what was going on and not revealing anything of a planned expansion, even just 'it's planned", would have been a fairly stupid decision, I felt there was an 80% chance there was NOT going to be an expansion. I also felt like if they didn't release any assurance this week than that percentage would raise to 90% and then slowly raise over time until after the next living story was finished and beyond.

    What if NcSoft won't allow Anet to have the resources to make a new expansion? What if NcSoft or Anet doesn't think a new expansion will financially be worth it given the needed resources? What if Anet doesn't think they can handle it anymore after the lay offs without compromising the game in the meantime? What if NcSoft would rather invest in other games? What if gw2 population continues to decline because they didn't tell anybody they even planned on making another expansion, causing NcSoft to once again cut costs?

    If they don't have an expansion planned, they are not going to say anything, even in difficult times when people are questioning it. That is exactly what is happening now.
    It is not like Anet is going to announce, "NcSoft said we can't have to resources needed to produce an expansion and we therefore are just going to get as much money out of this while prolonging our jobs and the game for as long as possible before NcSoft shuts us down."
    It's not going to happen.

    Finally, a sensible comment surfaced. +1

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2019

    I no longer believe in there being further expansions, either, and basically am playing less and less with every week passing. By the time LWS5 is over, I might have stopped playing altogether, except for the sparse story releases every couple of months. Boredom has started to spread, festivals won't change that.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @yefluke.3168 said:
    Since MMORPG games are in the age of decline, and new expansion will most likely release in late 2019.
    It is almost 1 years and half from today, (and 2 years might see drastically change in game trends, popularity of certain kind of game and technology)

    I'm not very sure if GW2 will invest in new expansion...(they started but might not release...)
    Do you guys think of how much % that it will not happening?

    For me it is 30%. that it won't happen...

    Depends if they have money for that. So if you buy something from the Gemstore, you increase the chance for an expansion, that just to remind, also cost money to make.

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think we should wait till March/April at the earliest for the real talk about the future of GW2, though. For now let's just enjoy what we have, we will worry later, that's my stance, and it works for me to just don't worry about the future and enjoy the present. :)

    The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.

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  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2019

    @Susy.7529 said:
    If they don't do a Cantha expansion it'll be the worst loss ever, both for us to enjoy it and for Anet to receive $$, darn it would have so much potential.

    Cantha does not belong in guild wars 2.

    Period!!

    'Situations that are present are there because you allow and tolerate them to continue'

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arden.7480 said:
    Depends if they have money for that. So if you buy something from the Gemstore, you increase the chance for an expansion, that just to remind, also cost money to make.

    On the contrary, by increasing our spending now, we'll be sending them a message that the expansionless, LS-only model is fine and they should continue that way.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mil.3562 said:

    @Xstein.2187 said:

    @Cronospere.8143 said:
    like 90% .. they will release it. Because if they dont they will slowly lose a lot of players

    Dude, they are loosing players now.
    I wish reddit was as optimistic as this forum was.
    Even Wooden Potatoes in his video said that he was now questioning weather they would make another expansion.

    Before Pax, I would have said there was a 85-90% chance there was going to be an expansion. After Pax, since people were starving simply to know what was going on and not revealing anything of a planned expansion, even just 'it's planned", would have been a fairly stupid decision, I felt there was an 80% chance there was NOT going to be an expansion. I also felt like if they didn't release any assurance this week than that percentage would raise to 90% and then slowly raise over time until after the next living story was finished and beyond.

    What if NcSoft won't allow Anet to have the resources to make a new expansion? What if NcSoft or Anet doesn't think a new expansion will financially be worth it given the needed resources? What if Anet doesn't think they can handle it anymore after the lay offs without compromising the game in the meantime? What if NcSoft would rather invest in other games? What if gw2 population continues to decline because they didn't tell anybody they even planned on making another expansion, causing NcSoft to once again cut costs?

    If they don't have an expansion planned, they are not going to say anything, even in difficult times when people are questioning it. That is exactly what is happening now.
    It is not like Anet is going to announce, "NcSoft said we can't have to resources needed to produce an expansion and we therefore are just going to get as much money out of this while prolonging our jobs and the game for as long as possible before NcSoft shuts us down."
    It's not going to happen.

    Finally, a sensible comment surfaced. +1

    The amazing thing to me is that anyone ever thought there would be a third expansion, when anet has never given us any reason to expect one . . .

    The next most amazing thing is that so many ppl seem so concerned about it. If the game isn't worth playing rn, stop. Don't hang on hoping that one day an unrealistic expectation will be realized. I feel like anet is doing a tremendous job of releasing free updates at an impressive pace. I also feel like that is their only way forward. If there are players who aren't content with that, this probably isn't the game for them . . .

  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    a Cantha expansion would be really hype, masheup with Mortal Kombat aesthetics and 'dark thematic'.

    main pvp: Khel the Undead(power reaper).

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I thought that LS5 was the expansion? Wasn't it said that LS5 would contain expansion-like content? Maybe, when it's all said and done and all of the LS5 chapters have been released, we will have the equivalent content of an expansion? Maybe we just need to be more patient?
    /me shrugs

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @XYLO.7031 said:

    @hugo.4705 said:
    I want my asura expansion D: they already did it with Utopia, not again!

    I agree. I want the Asura engineer to have ASURA TECH on top of it. Steampunk works for the furries because of their Black Citadel theme. Asura love plox.

    Well said

    Shiny links, take a look!
    ->Ideas: Housing , Designing a new lounge , New GameMode
    ->Project: ASURAN EXPANSION available on WIKI.
    ->NEW: Crucible of Eternity path 4: Legacy on WIKI
    ->NEW Asurapedia

  • coso.9173coso.9173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if they manage to make ls5 to be the same amount and quality content than an expansion, but more spread in time I'll be a happy guy. they said it's what they want, so we'll have to see how they deliver it.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well it's just the start of ls5, but I consider that as the "Norn Expansion", the only part missing is specs cause, yeah I got used to them since they came with hot and pof.
    Was happy with the first map but well was more "charr expansion" I'm worried that this is the only charr map we will have... apart if they expand it.

    Well it's simple, bjora marches will continue to the west to the lake, then even more west to arrive to woodlands to end at the delta or janthir sea. This is the norn expansion continuing during this year.

    Not a lot of areas left then, either north of maguuma wastes, north east of grothmar valley or scavenger causeway and all the south.

    Shiny links, take a look!
    ->Ideas: Housing , Designing a new lounge , New GameMode
    ->Project: ASURAN EXPANSION available on WIKI.
    ->NEW: Crucible of Eternity path 4: Legacy on WIKI
    ->NEW Asurapedia

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:
    I thought that LS5 was the expansion? Wasn't it said that LS5 would contain expansion-like content? Maybe, when it's all said and done and all of the LS5 chapters have been released, we will have the equivalent content of an expansion? Maybe we just need to be more patient?

    Sure, with the limited resources they decided it would be a great idea to give to us an expansion for free, and with less hype, instead of selling it and getting some nice PR out of it on top.

    No, the only real reason why they might have changed the expansion model into "expansion-like" LS releases, that will bring them less, is because the second model will not be an equivalent. It will also be less.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @Astralporing.1957 said:
    No, the only real reason why they might have changed the expansion model into "expansion-like" LS releases, that will bring them less, is because the second model will not be an equivalent. It will also be less.

    I also believe this is the case. I'm still going to stick with GW2 for the foreseeable future, but I'm not under the impression that LS5 (and any future sagas) will fully deliver the expansion experiences we got with HoT and PoF. Maybe they can match or outdo the raw increases in new map area. Maybe they can add a few new niche mechanics via masteries.

    However, the way chapter 1's masteries turned out, I'm certain we will never see anything game-changing like gliding from HoT and mounts from PoF. The mastery lines introduced with Icebrood Saga are just like the throwaway masteries from the other living world maps - very niche, and only matter a little on one specific map. I guess it's always possible that they will introduce new mastery lines in future episodes that actually do have game-wide impact, but I highly doubt it.

  • magnusthorek.8027magnusthorek.8027 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2019

    Every time I see (another) of this kind of topic I want to scratch my eyeballs with pointy nails

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭✭

    First of all an engine update to support DX12 and overall better support for higher end rigs is the more mandatory thing. Before that there shouldn't be any new expansion that bloats the game even more and results in yet another fps drop for newer systems, n my opinion. I'd really like to return to Cantha but I hope that the engine will get fixed before that.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2019

    Originally, before the big layoffs, Anet devs made statements in streams that they were planning for LS5 to lead into the next expansion. After the big layoffs, they made more statements trying to stick to that plan. But now that Mike O'Brien has left Anet, and seeing the game's population visibly shrinking when I am online, I now suspect LS5 will probably set up the "end" of GW2 instead of a new expansion, and even more probably, there won't be a GW3. Which is a kitten shame because there's so much potential still unachieved, so many stories and threads still unresolved. I hope I'm wrong.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Originally, before the big layoffs, Anet devs made statements in streams that they were planning for LS5 to lead into the next expansion.

    I'd like a quote on that, because i certainly don't remember anything like that at all. All i remember before the layoffs is the devs saying we won't be seeing an expansion between ls4 and ls5, and we won't be seeing an expansion anytime soon.

    After the big layoffs, they made more statements trying to stick to that plan.

    Again, i'd like a quote on that.

    So far it very much looks like they planned to cancel expacs at least half a year before layoffs.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Jimbru.6014Jimbru.6014 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Originally, before the big layoffs, Anet devs made statements in streams that they were planning for LS5 to lead into the next expansion.

    I'd like a quote on that, because i certainly don't remember anything like that at all. All i remember before the layoffs is the devs saying we won't be seeing an expansion between ls4 and ls5, and we won't be seeing an expansion anytime soon.

    After the big layoffs, they made more statements trying to stick to that plan.

    Again, i'd like a quote on that.

    So far it very much looks like they planned to cancel expacs at least half a year before layoffs.

    It was a dev stream a good while ago, back during LS4. I'd have to dig for it. People were constantly asking about another expansion (as if the devs could make one appear overnight) and the devs said there would be LS5 after LS4, with any future expansion after LS5. I distinctly recall that was a few months or so BEFORE the layoffs, which seemingly caught everyone by surprise. Then after the layoffs when everyone was going "Well NOW what?" the devs said (somewhat vaguely) that they were still sticking to that plan. But now, it appears all that has gone by the wayside.

    One of the problems in all this is the opacity of Anet about anything they're doing. The layoffs were supposedly related to cancelled projects...WHAT projects? One rumor said one was a mobile project; another said Mike O'Brien was working on GW3 before he finally gave up and left. We don't KNOW what Anet was or is working on, but now with their reduced work force and the GW founders all gone, we can make a reasonable guess that Anet is not presently working on anything but LS5. Whatever comes after that -- if anything -- is pure speculation.

  • Xar.6279Xar.6279 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    When Saga is "expansion-like" content and you don't like it then you won't like 3rd expansion as well, because it will be Saga-like content. Just different story. Open world stuff etc, etc.

  • Anchoku.8142Anchoku.8142 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am sure GW2 and GW2's design authority was transferred as an asset to Arenenet's owner as a result of a contract. Terms like "maintenance mode" do not exactly mean what players think they mean. There is a life cycle to these things that do not necessarily line up with ownership, management, or roadmap.

  • Healix.5819Healix.5819 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    We don't KNOW what Anet was or is working on, but now with their reduced work force and the GW founders all gone, we can make a reasonable guess that Anet is not presently working on anything but LS5.

    They still have side projects (related to GW2) and one of their (GW2) content teams isn't working on the living world.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    @hugo.4705 said:
    Considering pcgamesn, here's what to understand: "We know that a lot of players want expansion, but don't want to make it /deliver it right now, please stand by, and remember soon TM." They think what they want to achieve currently is perfectly doable with the Icebrood Saga. Simple, season 5 will cover so many different maps not sharing a similar theme so they can make it as an expansion, but rather like living season 3. HOT was full sylvari, POF was full human, but that one seems to be half charr half norn. NO Asura. And I hope A LOT that the 3rd expac is coming after: DOT Depths Of Tyria for Asura/Dwarfs. All races would be covered that way. I hope that Saga is awesome.

    That's because they likely working on a third expansion right now but don't want to announce it like Anet has a history of not letting people know what's being worked on like they did HoT, which prior to LW2 ending which revealed the expansion, Anet stated multiple times that they wasn't going to be doing expansions and that LW was all they needed for the game, which obviously wasn't true as HoT was their biggest expansion to date. Also

    Also
    Also
    Anet has stated that one of their teams are making LW5 content and a fourth team is working on something that they keeping a tight lid on... Hint hint.

    Why keep a tight lid on something the fourth team is working on if it's not LW5 stuff? Think about it people. They said one team is working on LW5 stuff, which is no real secret. Yet this mysterious forth team is making something that Anet wants to keep a secret but worth TELLING US THAT IT'S A SECRET....

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Originally, before the big layoffs, Anet devs made statements in streams that they were planning for LS5 to lead into the next expansion. After the big layoffs, they made more statements trying to stick to that plan. But now that Mike O'Brien has left Anet, and seeing the game's population visibly shrinking when I am online, I now suspect LS5 will probably set up the "end" of GW2 instead of a new expansion, and even more probably, there won't be a GW3. Which is a kitten shame because there's so much potential still unachieved, so many stories and threads still unresolved. I hope I'm wrong.

    That makes no sense when you actually look at what Anet said and is doing. They have a fourth team working on something secret for GW2 that isn't LW5. Why would they do that if LW5 is the end of GW2? Can't be a WvW feature like Alliances since that's not a secret.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    It was a dev stream a good while ago, back during LS4. I'd have to dig for it. People were constantly asking about another expansion (as if the devs could make one appear overnight) and the devs said there would be LS5 after LS4, with any future expansion after LS5. I distinctly recall that was a few months or so BEFORE the layoffs, which seemingly caught everyone by surprise. Then after the layoffs when everyone was going "Well NOW what?" the devs said (somewhat vaguely) that they were still sticking to that plan. But now, it appears all that has gone by the wayside.

    Please, do dig into it, because it was the time when they were stonewalling any questions about expansion beyond saying that there won't be one between LS4 and LS5. It's also the time from where the leaks saying that the devs themselves were not sure whether there will be anything beyond LS4 come from. It would have been extremely weird for them to suddenly say something else during that one stream. The more likely case is that the wording you heard was ambigious enough that you have added a meaning that simply wasn't there. And there definitely wasn't any mention about expansion after layoffs, besides that one interview where they basically said that they know it is wanted and it's not off the table, but it's not in the cards right now.

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Originally, before the big layoffs, Anet devs made statements in streams that they were planning for LS5 to lead into the next expansion. After the big layoffs, they made more statements trying to stick to that plan. But now that Mike O'Brien has left Anet, and seeing the game's population visibly shrinking when I am online, I now suspect LS5 will probably set up the "end" of GW2 instead of a new expansion, and even more probably, there won't be a GW3. Which is a kitten shame because there's so much potential still unachieved, so many stories and threads still unresolved. I hope I'm wrong.

    That makes no sense when you actually look at what Anet said and is doing. They have a fourth team working on something secret for GW2 that isn't LW5. Why would they do that if LW5 is the end of GW2? Can't be a WvW feature like Alliances since that's not a secret.

    That something is most likely not a single, big project, but a number of small ones. Basically, all those small things that they started to introduce lately, like build templates, capes, color channels for back items. Surely you don't think those are being done in the devs' free time.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    It was a dev stream a good while ago, back during LS4. I'd have to dig for it. People were constantly asking about another expansion (as if the devs could make one appear overnight) and the devs said there would be LS5 after LS4, with any future expansion after LS5. I distinctly recall that was a few months or so BEFORE the layoffs, which seemingly caught everyone by surprise. Then after the layoffs when everyone was going "Well NOW what?" the devs said (somewhat vaguely) that they were still sticking to that plan. But now, it appears all that has gone by the wayside.

    Please, do dig into it, because it was the time when they were stonewalling any questions about expansion beyond saying that there won't be one between LS4 and LS5. It's also the time from where the leaks saying that the devs themselves were not sure whether there will be anything beyond LS4 come from. It would have been extremely weird for them to suddenly say something else during that one stream. The more likely case is that the wording you heard was ambigious enough that you have added a meaning that simply wasn't there. And there definitely wasn't any mention about expansion after layoffs, besides that one interview where they basically said that they know it is wanted and it's not off the table, but it's not in the cards right now.

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:

    @Jimbru.6014 said:
    Originally, before the big layoffs, Anet devs made statements in streams that they were planning for LS5 to lead into the next expansion. After the big layoffs, they made more statements trying to stick to that plan. But now that Mike O'Brien has left Anet, and seeing the game's population visibly shrinking when I am online, I now suspect LS5 will probably set up the "end" of GW2 instead of a new expansion, and even more probably, there won't be a GW3. Which is a kitten shame because there's so much potential still unachieved, so many stories and threads still unresolved. I hope I'm wrong.

    That makes no sense when you actually look at what Anet said and is doing. They have a fourth team working on something secret for GW2 that isn't LW5. Why would they do that if LW5 is the end of GW2? Can't be a WvW feature like Alliances since that's not a secret.

    That something is most likely not a single, big project, but a number of small ones. Basically, all those small things that they started to introduce lately, like build templates, capes, color channels for back items. Surely you don't think those are being done in the devs' free time.

    Meanwhile ff14 will be adding a new dungeon every patch and raid/story cadense doesnt look like its going to suffer because of it.

    Gotta love competent management and a clear vision.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    Why keep a tight lid on something the fourth team is working on if it's not LW5 stuff? Think about it people. They said one team is working on LW5 stuff, which is no real secret. Yet this mysterious forth team is making something that Anet wants to keep a secret but worth TELLING US THAT IT'S A SECRET....

    Creating hope out of nothing is nothing mind-blowing or spectacular.
    That statement might have just been made so people wishing for an expansion get their hopes up too high.
    The content that team creates might be minor questline additions for the seasonal events, a new fractal or even just the annual raid release.
    That statement also might be a straight lie and that team is working on LS5 after all.

  • Dave.6819Dave.6819 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    If they want to keep earning money they gotta spend money. So yes it will happen. Question is can they fix already existing problems and on top of that can they create an expansion that even further goes into a right direction before more and more players abandon the ship? Will they make it in time? Tho i'd actually want something like a "remaster" of the game rather then an expansion. Change up things drastically. Rework skills/traits/balance between classes/powercreep. Rework WvW/PvP. Kind of like a thing when new trait system was introduced back some years ago but on a wider scale.. So many great things could be reworked rather then just a new expansion that will further complicate things and bring even more powercreep and madness. Fix nothing and release new expansion with more overtuned elite specs further muddying the waters? Not sure i would spend money on it. They are facing quite an interesting turn and some hard decisions in the future that's for sure. :)

    Physical Supremacy: This trait now causes Steal to become Swipe, which reduces the range from 1,200 to 600

    So who's the Thief now?
    2019.04.23 -Anet

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    They seriously must have a bug-fixing team. No need to have 1 hundred peoples on gemstore or LS if what is released in the past isn't fixed.
    I still see elementals in the sky of Bitterfrost Frontier. I sometimes pass trough the ground while using a magma tube in Ember Bay.
    Still empty Inquest chests all around Rata Primus in sandswept Isles + in that map some collisions issues. Bugged characters on the airship of Dragonfall: They have talk option but can't talk. And recently boneskinner stuck at the top of trees or sticking on trunks. And several escort events in ls maps that simply stop working, npcs not moving anymore. Like sometimes when escorting in grothmar to the ghost necromancer. But it's rarer.

    I can see why they do that ls5, they can release with each episode corresponding goods on gemstore... Chairs... Gliders.... Skins.... And add the nasty annoying time and gold consuming collections like dragonsblood, requiem, astral..... Through mist armors of dragonfall and boreal were ok.

    In expac, sure you wait years but then all the map are released simultaneously, it's better in the way that you don't have that abrupt stop and waiting between episodes, it's more fluid, you don't wait 3 months to see what happens next. That's a plus for me. Imagine, it took you 3 months to discover Tarir, 3 months to discover Rata Novus then 3 month to explore it, would be non-sense. HoT was awesome, PoF was kinda a let down imho, really flat and empty desert. I'm currently waiting to see what happens in IBS, but for me ls4 stopped after LS4E2. The rest is bad. I prefer to think for all my characters that Joko is still alive and Blish too.
    I also prefer for now to think that Almora is still there, will consider her dead when the death will be properly explained I expect in episode 2.

    I have a mitigated feeling about the future of that awesome game, it's either they make an expac after ls5 to bring money or they continue with ls6 and the last bone of the game skeleton will fall. It has been proven in the earnings that the money spikes are at expansions release. LS don't bring money, gemstores goods bring money but not as much as an expac. Unbreakable tools or mount skins sell like breads but that's it.

    Yeah again, I will buy an expansion, YES I want to spend money. Yes as I said multiple time in the past, if you release an asura expac it's a deluxe edition from me.
    Yes I prefer waiting, and have 5 giant maps, with 9 elite specs, with a cool long story, with very cool H-O-T like metas, with a QOL mastery. That mastery could be henchman. It could help you fighting (in pve only), helping you finding hidden treasures in maps, carrying stuffs, allowing access to some places....
    And you can choose an appearance for it between all the foes and allies of the game.
    (Thinking of it, I would really like to have an airship or vessel to explore ocean or fighting, but maybe as additional WvW/PvP gamemode)

    Shiny links, take a look!
    ->Ideas: Housing , Designing a new lounge , New GameMode
    ->Project: ASURAN EXPANSION available on WIKI.
    ->NEW: Crucible of Eternity path 4: Legacy on WIKI
    ->NEW Asurapedia

  • yesssssss.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:

    Meanwhile ff14 will be adding a new dungeon every patch and raid/story cadense doesnt look like its going to suffer because of it.

    Gotta love competent management and a clear vision.

    Comparing content releases between subscription based games and non-subscription based games is not a valid argument.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    Why keep a tight lid on something the fourth team is working on if it's not LW5 stuff? Think about it people. They said one team is working on LW5 stuff, which is no real secret. Yet this mysterious forth team is making something that Anet wants to keep a secret but worth TELLING US THAT IT'S A SECRET....

    Creating hope out of nothing is nothing mind-blowing or spectacular.
    That statement might have just been made so people wishing for an expansion get their hopes up too high.
    The content that team creates might be minor questline additions for the seasonal events, a new fractal or even just the annual raid release.
    That statement also might be a straight lie and that team is working on LS5 after all.

    Realistically why would they do that? Think about it. Why would they state they have a fourth team working on something they not ready to reveal yet for GW2 that isn't LW5 related.

    Also we saw future Living World 5 photos in which the developers are even hinting at new weapons for classes (, Shield for Necro, Greatsword for Revenant, off hand Mace for Guardian)
    Why tease this along side hinting at a fourth team making something that's secret?

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2019

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    Realistically why would they do that? Think about it. Why would they state they have a fourth team working on something they not ready to reveal yet for GW2 that isn't LW5 related.
    Also we saw future Living World 5 photos in which the developers are even hinting at new weapons for classes (, Shield for Necro, Greatsword for Revenant, off hand Mace for Guardian)
    Why tease this along side hinting at a fourth team making something that's secret?

    Creating hype and false hopes has more success in keeping people hold onto the game and buying from the Gem Shop than being silent or deliver disappointing news.
    It's common business practice to polish products more than there actually is to it.
    Those images (you refer to) hinting at new elite specializations might be done by the three teams already working on LS5.
    Or it's by an completely different team, not related to LS5, other than having to release there stuff with one of the episodes.
    Or they were just ideas thrown into the room, that might or might not get scrapped along the way.
    As long we don't get any concrete info, it only serves as teaser and to create hype.

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If they keep releasing living world sagas as good as this one, I would pay for them.