SmirkDog.3160 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Before you just read the title and decide to reply -- Yes it still counts if I have to scrape together all my gold to convert it to gems just to buy one skin.I bailed after the disaster of the mount skin gambling after playing since the closed beta 5 years ago, because that felt like the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I'm tired of microtransactions. Anyway, it's been a few months, and I thought I'd come back and see if anything has changed. I saw dozens of mount skins that could be unlocked, but not a single one seems to be obtainable by doing an achievement or something. Maybe I missed them? It looked like they were all gem store only. Not a single one that doesn't cost money?PoF felt like a good expac to me, but left a bad taste in my mouth when every new thing after it launched had to be bought from the gem store. I had hoped that would change after a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Sorry, no. Skins other than the default ones are only available from the gem store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldirtbeard.9834 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Basically you can either buy the quarterly releases that have a suite of Mounts designed around a Holiday such as Halloween or Wintersday. Or what ever fancy pants skin is in rotation currently which atm is the Lion Faced Griffon, each option is roughly 2,000 gems depending on sales. I think the last time I converted Gold to gems it was roughly 100g per 400 Gems (which fluctuates by the day and second) so save up 500g give or take per option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldirtbeard.9834 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @kharmin.7683 said:Sorry, no. Skins other than the default ones are only available from the gem store.He said converting Gold to Gems counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmirkDog.3160 Posted February 19, 2018 Author Share Posted February 19, 2018 That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilk.2965 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 You receive gold when u play, you can turn gold into gems, with gems you buy skins.You can easily get 50 golds (= 200gems) per day easily by making events in Istan 1 time + daily fractals (for example). In 2 months you will have the 30 available skins without paying anything. (I do not think you need the 30)Where do you see the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Yeah, that wasn't an option with heart of thorns gliders either. They're all gem store too (apart from the one you get for the deluxe edition which is basically gem store too). At least the default mounts aren't as ugly as the default glider.The money you spend on the expansion gets you the basic skin, every other skin must be purchased through the gem store. I think we can confidently predict that this pattern will continue with whatever the skin based hook for the next expansion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Pifil.5193 said:@SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Yeah, that wasn't an option with heart of thorns gliders either. They're all gem store too (apart from the one you get for the deluxe edition which is basically gem store too). At least the default mounts aren't as ugly as the default glider.The money you spend on the expansion gets you the basic skin, every other skin must be purchased through the gem store. I think we can confidently predict that this pattern will continue with whatever the skin based hook for the next expansion is. Almost correct. There’s 2 gliders you can earn in game. Warbringer and The Ascension. **I’m not counting the Ugly Wool Glider as it requires a gemstore purchase and the topic is what you can get without spending gems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holykitten.3064 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Almost correct. There’s 2 gliders you can earn in game. Warbringer and The Ascension. cough Ad Infinitum would make that 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)I don't have an opinion about whether it's good or bad, whether it's fair or unfair. I just think we shouldn't be surprised that there aren't any Mountfits™ available outside the gem store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilk.2965 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:@SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)I don't have an opinion about whether it's good or bad, whether it's fair or unfair. I just think we shouldn't be surprised that there aren't any Mountfits™ available outside the gem store.Arena Net could perfectly put skins to unlock through collections or achievements, instead put a mount, with its own abilities, animations, entirely new, the Griffon, obtainable in a way that in other mmorpg would give you a simple skin.They are different ways, each one that decides what is better or worse, what is clear is that it is not necessary to spend money to buy skins since they are economical enough to get them just by playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayakaru.6583 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 No, there are no skins outside the gemstore (yet).That said, gliders have a handfull of (expensive) skins,So its not that far of a stretch we’ll maybe get an obtainable set of skins one day.Although i’m on the fence of how it’ll work since the glider’s are the result of legendary backpacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a flesh wound.3589 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Haleydawn.3764 said:@Just a flesh wound.3589 said:Almost correct. There’s 2 gliders you can earn in game. Warbringer and The Ascension. cough Ad Infinitum would make that 3.ARTHUR: Right! One... two... five!GALAHAD: Three sir.ARTHUR: Three! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gert.7698 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?I don’t mind. It’s not a bad thing. The difference is that the default glider is ugly, but the standard mount skins are beautifull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pifil.5193 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:@Pifil.5193 said:@SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Yeah, that wasn't an option with heart of thorns gliders either. They're all gem store too (apart from the one you get for the deluxe edition which is basically gem store too). At least the default mounts aren't as ugly as the default glider.The money you spend on the expansion gets you the basic skin, every other skin must be purchased through the gem store. I think we can confidently predict that this pattern will continue with whatever the skin based hook for the next expansion is. Almost correct. There’s 2 gliders you can earn in game. Warbringer and The Ascension. **I’m not counting the Ugly Wool Glider as it requires a gemstore purchase and the topic is what you can get without spending gems. Ah, of course, I completely forgot the legendary backpack gliders! Thanks for the correction. I somehow doubt that we'll be seeing a legendary mount though. I'd be happy to be wrong though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:@SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)I don't have an opinion about whether it's good or bad, whether it's fair or unfair. I just think we shouldn't be surprised that there aren't any Mountfits™ available outside the gem store.I forget what it is called, but there was that Outfit given to all veterans of the game 2 or 3 years ago, as well. The one with the plume on the helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greener.6204 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:@"SmirkDog.3160" said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)I don't have an opinion about whether it's good or bad, whether it's fair or unfair. I just think we shouldn't be surprised that there aren't any Mountfits™ available outside the gem store.I forget what it is called, but there was that Outfit given to all veterans of the game 2 or 3 years ago, as well. The one with the plume on the helmet?Royal Guard Outfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Ah, thanks, Greener. You da best! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @"SmirkDog.3160" said:Before you just read the title and decide to reply -- Yes it still counts if I have to scrape together all my gold to convert it to gems just to buy one skin.I bailed after the disaster of the mount skin gambling after playing since the closed beta 5 years ago, because that felt like the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I'm tired of microtransactions. Anyway, it's been a few months, and I thought I'd come back and see if anything has changed. I saw dozens of mount skins that could be unlocked, but not a single one seems to be obtainable by doing an achievement or something. Maybe I missed them? It looked like they were all gem store only. Not a single one that doesn't cost money?PoF felt like a good expac to me, but left a bad taste in my mouth when every new thing after it launched had to be bought from the gem store. I had hoped that would change after a few months.Winning the corrupted system of Loot boxxes (400 gems - 35 min x3 days playtime on Fractal(dungeon) - random - 9600 total cost gems - no dublicate) is preaty huge deal althought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illconceived Was Na.9781 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Wilk.2965 said:@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:@SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)I don't have an opinion about whether it's good or bad, whether it's fair or unfair. I just think we shouldn't be surprised that there aren't any Mountfits™ available outside the gem store.Arena Net could perfectly put skins to unlock through collections or achievements, instead put a mount, with its own abilities, animations, entirely new, the Griffon, obtainable in a way that in other mmorpg would give you a simple skin.They are different ways, each one that decides what is better or worse, what is clear is that it is not necessary to spend money to buy skins since they are economical enough to get them just by playing.Oh I agree with you: they could have done that. I'm just not surprised that they didn't; it's consistent with how they've handled things in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drecien.4508 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 You can get bl keys and receive the bl statues and 50= one of the mount skins that were on sale in the gem store. Map comp or key farm for keys. Free mount skins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Drecien.4508 said:You can get bl keys and receive the bl statues and 50= one of the mount skins that were on sale in the gem store. Map comp or key farm for keys. Free mount skins! I just spent 50 Statuettes, and I didn't see any Mountfits (Mount skins). Could you be thinking of the Mount Miniatures on offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @SmirkDog.3160 said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Mount skins are monetization el dorado in any mmo. If anyone believed they won't by 99-100% gemstore skins, they're naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:@"SmirkDog.3160" said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.That's a big "unless". basically, it means there are exceptions you can pursue.@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)Wasn't there also a free outfit given out to veterans at some point? I'm pretty sure there was something like that (edit: royal guard outfit, already menioned in this thread). Also, again, it means there are exceptions. Although i agree, in the case of outfits those exceptions are even smaller, and (unlike with gliders) we can't really expect for any new ones to eventually show up.In case of mounts however there is not even a single exception. And that's on top of pricing strategy for mount skins being much less player-friendly than in case of outfits and gliders.Basically, in previous cases, Anet was giving us options, and didn't try to make the gemshop option a painful one. In case of mounts however, they just plain want to rip players off for as much as they can, as fast as they can. That last change to pricing strategy is worrying, because it's used primarily in games that don't expect high player retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubySzymek.1362 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @Astralporing.1957 said:@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:@"SmirkDog.3160" said:That........... sucks. I understand having some fancy shmancy skins for sale but like........ not even one? Every skin my character is wearing except for one is obtained by playing. What ever happened to that?Nothing happened. This isn't a big change from how ANet handles cosmetics generally.There also aren't any gliders obtained outside the gem shop, unless you pursue one of the legendary backpacks.That's a big "unless". basically, it means there are exceptions you can pursue.@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:Similarly, there are only two outfits with origins outside the gem shop (the Endless Common Tonic was given to anyone with a character created before the wardrobe existed; the Hexed outfit costs 3 candy corn cobs). (The outfits currently available on the TP all started as gem-shop-purchased town clothes, converted to tonics when the Wardrobe launched, and are now free-to-convert to outfits, which can be resold on the TP.)Wasn't there also a free outfit given out to veterans at some point? I'm pretty sure there was something like that (edit: royal guard outfit, already menioned in this thread). Also, again, it means there are exceptions. Although i agree, in the case of outfits those exceptions are even smaller, and (unlike with gliders) we can't really expect for any new ones to eventually show up.In case of mounts however there is not even a single exception. And that's on top of pricing strategy for mount skins being much less player-friendly than in case of outfits and gliders.That's because mounts are "whale friendly". I wouldn't be too excited about legendary gliders as big exception. It's all tied to legendary status of new backpacks. Can't imagine what functionality legendary mount would bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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