GS Mesmers binding multiple skills to one key — Guild Wars 2 Forums

GS Mesmers binding multiple skills to one key

Brandon.8294Brandon.8294 Member ✭✭
edited February 24, 2018 in PVP

I've been encountering a few mesmers a day who bind mantra of pain, f1 and GS 3 to all cast upon hitting one button. Now I understand that mashing all 3 buttons at once can almost have the same effect, but still leave a delay long enough to dodge or use any defensive CD needed to survive the burst. Recently I've been noticing a hand full of mesmers a day using what is basically an exploit to remove what little counterplay there is to their burst.

You can tell when a Mesmer is using this exploit by the sound of GS3 and mantra of pain happening at literally the same exact time. I've played against enough GS power mesmers to understand how quickly that combo can legitimately be casted.

I can provide video proof if needed or you could watch any streamer playing in a pvp environment

Comments

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If I remember correctly then the Anet's Rule say that anything that helps player to "activate" two and more different skills with less then 1 second delay between each cast by using only One Key Bind is prohibited with an exception of Musical Instruments.
    So I guess it would be useful to seek out those people and eliminate this kind of play.
    However, this regards mostly the One-shot Ele builds, it's hard to imagine having such 3rd party program to be used along with a targeted AoE skill.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Vieux P.1238Vieux P.1238 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2018

    **How do you know it's one button & not a player hitting multiple keys at the same time? ** Long ago i've tried macro's on my mesmer (Using mmo mouse & Logitec G13) thinking it making it easier. & it don't work well at all. Cuz in a split decision if you have to change your maneuvers, you can't do it if your macro is still casting stuff as you go along. Happened to me at that time so i decided to forget macro's & L2p & keystroke. That's why lots of good Vet mesmer players out there have learned to use multiple keystrokes at the same time while being able to switch it up if needed be at the last second. But no macro's. It hinders mesmer casting more then anything else.

    Winter Nerf is coming!

  • Vieux P.1238Vieux P.1238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OriOri.8724 said:
    Our mantra charges and F1 are both instant cast skills, and as instant cast skills you can use them while using another skill. Are you seriously trying to argue that players cannot press 3 keys simultaneously?

    That's what i was saying. Just longer.

    Winter Nerf is coming!

  • Vieux P.1238Vieux P.1238 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's actual vids on youtube showing you on how to dodge it

    Winter Nerf is coming!

  • Airdive.2613Airdive.2613 Member ✭✭✭

    So am I macroing as well on my core guardian when I'm about to land a really sweet hit with hammer 2 and decide to secure it by pressing F1, F2 and F3 in a quick succession during the animation?

  • Itz Jay.8941Itz Jay.8941 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2018

    @Brandon.8294 said:
    I've been encountering a few mesmers a day who bind mantra of pain, f1 and GS 3 to all cast upon hitting one button. Now I understand that mashing all 3 buttons at once can almost have the same effect, but still leave a delay long enough to dodge or use any defensive CD needed to survive the burst. Recently I've been noticing a hand full of mesmers a day using what is basically an exploit to remove what little counterplay there is to their burst.

    You can tell when a Mesmer is using this exploit by the sound of GS3 and mantra of pain happening at literally the same exact time. I've played against enough GS power mesmers to understand how quickly that combo can legitimately be casted.

    I can provide video proof if needed or you could watch any streamer playing in a pvp environment

    Actually, hitting a button with your thumb, left hand finger and one mouse button finger is not that difficult, it's actually essential to pulling off GS burst. I have 1-5 normal keybinds, then I have 7-10 keybinded to zxcv and I have F1&F2 on two of my mouse buttons right next to my index finger. No macro required.

  • Kahyos.1437Kahyos.1437 Member ✭✭✭

    If you have an MMO mouse and good key binds, it should be possible.

  • bravan.3876bravan.3876 Member ✭✭✭

    The whole gs2 blink combo can be done without any macro in a second with good keybinds. Seriously every not totally incompetent mesmer can do it during a no clone continuum split, you can see it everywhere on youtube in chronomancer videos.

    that > @BlackBeard.2873 said:

    You could always just dodge the mantra of distraction....oh wait...no you can't b/c it interrupts dodge-rolls while traited with Confounding Suggestions

    Literally NO counterplay! Such great design!!!

    This is a bug and not intended and should get fixed but it is not happening always, only when the stun (not only mantra, also from f3) happens in an unlucky timing to the dodge. In 80% of all cases you can dodge it. A fix is needed still.

    "playing revenant is borderline exploiting" - up condimirage 2k18

  • @Airdive.2613 said:
    So am I macroing as well on my core guardian when I'm about to land a really sweet hit with hammer 2 and decide to secure it by pressing F1, F2 and F3 in a quick succession during the animation?

    You realise that Macros are against ToS and you just admitted to breaking those terms on their forums with your account name associated correct? Please don't use macros, it is against the rules.

  • Don't think Mes should be singled out for this. I've encountered other people from other classes that do this too. I even made a thread about it a while ago saying that some people are definitely using macros. This is helped by instant cast skills and quickness which can make for some insane damage combos that can be performed faster than a human can do, and perfectly every time.

    I've played mes for many years now so I know when another mes is using a macro, because they can pull off a 1 sec combo that will down you before you can react every time you fight them. Some of the combos are complex to do consistently without fail. That's the tell: absolutely no mistake every time. Fortunately I haven't seem to much of this, but it is really obvious when you encounter it.

  • Airdive.2613Airdive.2613 Member ✭✭✭

    @thatdarnkatz.7168 said:

    @Airdive.2613 said:
    So am I macroing as well on my core guardian when I'm about to land a really sweet hit with hammer 2 and decide to secure it by pressing F1, F2 and F3 in a quick succession during the animation?

    You realise that Macros are against ToS and you just admitted to breaking those terms on their forums with your account name associated correct? Please don't use macros, it is against the rules.

    Although I just said that I decide to secure the hit, so obviously I hit all three keys separately. It's just that it happens really quickly and is totally doable, so one could go QQ after I actually willingly burned my three instant skills that they have no means of counterplay.

  • @thatdarnkatz.7168 said:

    @Airdive.2613 said:
    So am I macroing as well on my core guardian when I'm about to land a really sweet hit with hammer 2 and decide to secure it by pressing F1, F2 and F3 in a quick succession during the animation?

    You realise that Macros are against ToS and you just admitted to breaking those terms on their forums with your account name associated correct? Please don't use macros, it is against the rules.

    made my day

  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There are probably mesmers who use macros, but so often have I been accused of using programs when literally just hitting "Mouse Button#5", "R", and "2" That I find it difficult to really accuse anyone myself.

    Does A-net actually have anything in place that can like detect real abuse? I would assume recording flawless input timings 100% of the time across months might be enough. At the same time I'm no programmer, but I presume random delays can be programmed into some complex macro.

    I wouldn't want to nerf mesmer's burst or anything like that but I think this is why other games have global cool-downs/after cast delays all classes are subject to. (outside of being a feature of specific skills)

  • @Daishi.6027 said:
    There are probably mesmers who use macros, but so often have I been accused of using programs when literally just hitting "Mouse Button#5", "R", and "2" That I find it difficult to really accuse anyone myself.

    Does A-net actually have anything in place that can like detect real abuse? I would assume recording flawless input timings 100% of the time across months might be enough. At the same time I'm no programmer, but I presume random delays can be programmed into some complex macro.

    I wouldn't want to nerf mesmer's burst or anything like that but I think this is why other games have global cool-downs/after cast delays all classes are subject to. (outside of being a feature of specific skills)

    It does need to be nerfed though. Instant cast skills that don't have projectiles attached that can be seen and dodged, need to be nerfed. FA ele and mesmer burst need to be gutted. Especially with the defensive skills that those builds have.

  • Saiyan.1704Saiyan.1704 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2018

    @Vieux P.1238 said:

    @OriOri.8724 said:
    Our mantra charges and F1 are both instant cast skills, and as instant cast skills you can use them while using another skill. Are you seriously trying to argue that players cannot press 3 keys simultaneously?

    That's what i was saying. Just longer.

    It's incredibly easy pressing 6 buttons on my Razor Naga Moba mouse.. in fact I can use my thumb to press three buttons simultaneously and it's quicker than some one using their left hand to press a single F1.

    To add, I can press my key bind "Q and "E" while also pressing 3 buttons on my mouse... most top players have been doing this for years.

  • We all know some people use macros. Nothing to discuss there.
    It is forbidden.

    • you can prove it: they will get banned.
    • you can't prove it: so be it.

    no need to make an useless upset topic on this. Anet gave their statement on this.

  • @warherox.7943 said:

    @Daishi.6027 said:
    There are probably mesmers who use macros, but so often have I been accused of using programs when literally just hitting "Mouse Button#5", "R", and "2" That I find it difficult to really accuse anyone myself.

    Does A-net actually have anything in place that can like detect real abuse? I would assume recording flawless input timings 100% of the time across months might be enough. At the same time I'm no programmer, but I presume random delays can be programmed into some complex macro.

    I wouldn't want to nerf mesmer's burst or anything like that but I think this is why other games have global cool-downs/after cast delays all classes are subject to. (outside of being a feature of specific skills)

    It does need to be nerfed though. Instant cast skills that don't have projectiles attached that can be seen and dodged, need to be nerfed. FA ele and mesmer burst need to be gutted. Especially with the defensive skills that those builds have.

    FA ele defensive whut? Please at least try the build before saying that. Mirage won't have much defensive skill once EM nerf is in place though, since focus fire will quickly shut down endurance regen and hamper both mirage's offense and defense. And chrono's defense is gate behind 30s+ CD blink/shield block/distort (assuming they take portal and Power block ofc). Much more easy to pin down.

    But yeah CS did receive complaint when it was first released, it quickly died down when people realise power mesmer has no real burst combo outside of mirror blade/blink/F1, effectively making the spec very predictable and easy to counter in HoT meta. Now the trait/utility synergy can make more impact mainly because of ammo system and other weapon skills actually do something, so I wouldn't really mind adding extra CD or reduce stun duration for some counterplay.

    Or easier way is just to swap CS with power block. Thus mesmer speccing for instant stun can't deal massive damage from shatter or GS phantasms, while retaining the lockdown feature that the whole traitline is aiming for.

    [RED] Crimson Sunspears...your small family guild since 2015.

  • Delweyn.1309Delweyn.1309 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 26, 2018

    @Brandon.8294 said:
    I've been encountering a few mesmers a day who bind mantra of pain, f1 and GS 3 to all cast upon hitting one button. Now I understand that mashing all 3 buttons at once can almost have the same effect, but still leave a delay long enough to dodge or use any defensive CD needed to survive the burst. Recently I've been noticing a hand full of mesmers a day using what is basically an exploit to remove what little counterplay there is to their burst.

    You can tell when a Mesmer is using this exploit by the sound of GS3 and mantra of pain happening at literally the same exact time. I've played against enough GS power mesmers to understand how quickly that combo can legitimately be casted.

    I can provide video proof if needed or you could watch any streamer playing in a pvp environment

    • Same problem for elem fresh air.
    • Same for dodge + jump.

    The problem is not new.

  • @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:

    @warherox.7943 said:

    @Daishi.6027 said:
    There are probably mesmers who use macros, but so often have I been accused of using programs when literally just hitting "Mouse Button#5", "R", and "2" That I find it difficult to really accuse anyone myself.

    Does A-net actually have anything in place that can like detect real abuse? I would assume recording flawless input timings 100% of the time across months might be enough. At the same time I'm no programmer, but I presume random delays can be programmed into some complex macro.

    I wouldn't want to nerf mesmer's burst or anything like that but I think this is why other games have global cool-downs/after cast delays all classes are subject to. (outside of being a feature of specific skills)

    It does need to be nerfed though. Instant cast skills that don't have projectiles attached that can be seen and dodged, need to be nerfed. FA ele and mesmer burst need to be gutted. Especially with the defensive skills that those builds have.

    FA ele defensive whut? Please at least try the build before saying that. Mirage won't have much defensive skill once EM nerf is in place though, since focus fire will quickly shut down endurance regen and hamper both mirage's offense and defense. And chrono's defense is gate behind 30s+ CD blink/shield block/distort (assuming they take portal and Power block ofc). Much more easy to pin down.

    But yeah CS did receive complaint when it was first released, it quickly died down when people realise power mesmer has no real burst combo outside of mirror blade/blink/F1, effectively making the spec very predictable and easy to counter in HoT meta. Now the trait/utility synergy can make more impact mainly because of ammo system and other weapon skills actually do something, so I wouldn't really mind adding extra CD or reduce stun duration for some counterplay.

    Or easier way is just to swap CS with power block. Thus mesmer speccing for instant stun can't deal massive damage from shatter or GS phantasms, while retaining the lockdown feature that the whole traitline is aiming for.

    It is when you have focus.

  • @Delweyn.1309 said:

    @Brandon.8294 said:
    I've been encountering a few mesmers a day who bind mantra of pain, f1 and GS 3 to all cast upon hitting one button. Now I understand that mashing all 3 buttons at once can almost have the same effect, but still leave a delay long enough to dodge or use any defensive CD needed to survive the burst. Recently I've been noticing a hand full of mesmers a day using what is basically an exploit to remove what little counterplay there is to their burst.

    You can tell when a Mesmer is using this exploit by the sound of GS3 and mantra of pain happening at literally the same exact time. I've played against enough GS power mesmers to understand how quickly that combo can legitimately be casted.

    I can provide video proof if needed or you could watch any streamer playing in a pvp environment

    • Same problem for elem fresh air.
    • Same for dodge + jump.

    The problem is not new.

    Dodge jumping should be removed but that will never happen.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    this macro is nothing new

  • Daishi.6027Daishi.6027 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I know people don’t like the instant cast nature of shatters, but illusions have travel times, and mirror blade has both a cast and travel time. The only thing truly instant is the mantra which I think is fair for how mantras function.

  • @warherox.7943 said:

    It is when you have focus.

    A 3s invul on 50s CD and 2 projectile hates on 25+ CDs. That doesn't warrant an "especially with...". A thief, mes, SB, ranger, holo, necro, guard or even revenant (oh wait that's everyone) can easily bait out and chew up FA ele in less than 30s if FA ele doesn't know how to position and LoS.

    Honestly this game would have a lot less diversity and appeal if every class needs to facetank everything.

    [RED] Crimson Sunspears...your small family guild since 2015.

  • rwolf.9571rwolf.9571 Member ✭✭✭

    @Itz Jay.8941 said:

    @Brandon.8294 said:
    I've been encountering a few mesmers a day who bind mantra of pain, f1 and GS 3 to all cast upon hitting one button. Now I understand that mashing all 3 buttons at once can almost have the same effect, but still leave a delay long enough to dodge or use any defensive CD needed to survive the burst. Recently I've been noticing a hand full of mesmers a day using what is basically an exploit to remove what little counterplay there is to their burst.

    You can tell when a Mesmer is using this exploit by the sound of GS3 and mantra of pain happening at literally the same exact time. I've played against enough GS power mesmers to understand how quickly that combo can legitimately be casted.

    I can provide video proof if needed or you could watch any streamer playing in a pvp environment

    Actually, hitting a button with your thumb, left hand finger and one mouse button finger is not that difficult, it's actually essential to pulling off GS burst. I have 1-5 normal keybinds, then I have 7-10 keybinded to zxcv and I have F1&F2 on two of my mouse buttons right next to my index finger. No macro required.

    ^lol this
    I personally have 5,6 back/forward on my mouse. 7-R, 8-X, 9-C (I use ESDF layout)
    3 skills at once is easy peasy, 4-5 at once would require some hand acrobatics tho.

    Helseth (Pro mesmer back during ESL) has a guide on key binds (although lengthy)

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Alatar.7364 said:
    If I remember correctly then the Anet's Rule say that anything that helps player to "activate" two and more different skills with less then 1 second delay between each cast by using only One Key Bind is prohibited with an exception of Musical Instruments.
    So I guess it would be useful to seek out those people and eliminate this kind of play.
    However, this regards mostly the One-shot Ele builds, it's hard to imagine having such 3rd party program to be used along with a targeted AoE skill.

    fyi , A lot of high end players use this and trust me when i tell you that Anet doesn't do a single thing about it. Matter fact, I know a few personally who use key binding to abuse combos.... it's the dumbest kitten ever.

  • Itz Jay.8941Itz Jay.8941 Member ✭✭✭

    @rwolf.9571 said:

    @Itz Jay.8941 said:

    @Brandon.8294 said:
    I've been encountering a few mesmers a day who bind mantra of pain, f1 and GS 3 to all cast upon hitting one button. Now I understand that mashing all 3 buttons at once can almost have the same effect, but still leave a delay long enough to dodge or use any defensive CD needed to survive the burst. Recently I've been noticing a hand full of mesmers a day using what is basically an exploit to remove what little counterplay there is to their burst.

    You can tell when a Mesmer is using this exploit by the sound of GS3 and mantra of pain happening at literally the same exact time. I've played against enough GS power mesmers to understand how quickly that combo can legitimately be casted.

    I can provide video proof if needed or you could watch any streamer playing in a pvp environment

    Actually, hitting a button with your thumb, left hand finger and one mouse button finger is not that difficult, it's actually essential to pulling off GS burst. I have 1-5 normal keybinds, then I have 7-10 keybinded to zxcv and I have F1&F2 on two of my mouse buttons right next to my index finger. No macro required.

    ^lol this
    I personally have 5,6 back/forward on my mouse. 7-R, 8-X, 9-C (I use ESDF layout)
    3 skills at once is easy peasy, 4-5 at once would require some hand acrobatics tho.

    Helseth (Pro mesmer back during ESL) has a guide on key binds (although lengthy)

    Yeah this is a great video. Getting an MMO mouse with 3-5 buttons and re binding strafe keys is pretty much essential to playing GW2 or any game where movement is such a big focus. This game isn't like WoW you don't get a chance to stand still, if you do you're probably gonna die.

    I have a logitech proteus spectrum mouse. It's great because you have two index finger buttons, two thumb buttons and another thumb slighly further away. I like it because I can still clench the mouse without anything going of accidentally xD. With one of these 16 button things there's no way you''re going to effectively hit your combos with GW2's pacing in pvp. I have swap weapons and dodge on my thumb buttons because I consider them important and movement skills even though swap weapons isn't, I still consider it too important for a normal keybind. I then have about face on the last button because I can swap it to special action key for raids and it's nicely accessible.

    With all those keybinds I can easily hold my movement keys and hit both sides of my skill bar with my free fingers/thumb, along with tab target, call target, take target, stow weapons, dodge e.t.c.

  • DMO.4158DMO.4158 Member ✭✭

    I make macros all the time for computer games. Especially mmo's.

    It's built in to almost every modern keyboard and mouse software suite.

    Love to hear how anyone is going to combat this. Sounds like a L2MMO issue.

    One of the first things I do in any mmo is figure out how to trim keybind fat with macros. It's like mmo 101.....

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People are flying in GW2. I would not be surprised at players freeing up a hand for "other activities".

  • DeceiverX.8361DeceiverX.8361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DMO.4158 said:
    I make macros all the time for computer games. Especially mmo's.

    It's built in to almost every modern keyboard and mouse software suite.

    Love to hear how anyone is going to combat this. Sounds like a L2MMO issue.

    One of the first things I do in any mmo is figure out how to trim keybind fat with macros. It's like mmo 101.....

    Except for the fact it's expressively forbidden in GW2 and by doing it you can be banned.

    You sure that Sniper idea is as good as you thought it was gonna be?
    Because I think my original idea is better.

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2018

    @NICENIKESHOE.7128 said:

    @warherox.7943 said:

    It is when you have focus.

    A 3s invul on 50s CD and 2 projectile hates on 25+ CDs. That doesn't warrant an "especially with...". A thief, mes, SB, ranger, holo, necro, guard or even revenant (oh wait that's everyone) can easily bait out and chew up FA ele in less than 30s if FA ele doesn't know how to position and LoS.

    Honestly this game would have a lot less diversity and appeal if every class needs to facetank everything.

    Depending what build the ele runs. Arcane shield - lesser shield - tempest defence - mist form - earth #5, may be they don't run this in spvp but most I see run this in wvw and yeah, that seems pretty defenceless.

  • shippage.1983shippage.1983 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't see it as a problem, in fact you'd be at a disadvantage if you used this. You wouldn't be able to adapt to all situations for very little benefit.

    shippage.1983
    I only PvP so almost all my comments are in a PvP context.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thatdarnkatz.7168 said:

    @Airdive.2613 said:
    So am I macroing as well on my core guardian when I'm about to land a really sweet hit with hammer 2 and decide to secure it by pressing F1, F2 and F3 in a quick succession during the animation?

    You realise that Macros are against ToS and you just admitted to breaking those terms on their forums with your account name associated correct? Please don't use macros, it is against the rules.

    You didn't read what he said at all.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion

  • Arlette.9684Arlette.9684 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2018

    I’ve been seeing this not so new phenomenon quite often as of late. Particularly often since the rework to the class that drove a lot of bandwagoners to the class. I’m a firm believer that if you cannot be bothered to executes the combo by yourself, you shouldn’t be able to do it at all. Part of making shatter mesmer challenging is the ability to time your burst and execute it in a timely fashion. Getting it as a 1 button sequence that you lazily pressed from you mouse is just shameful, and I’d like to think that no, non-bandwagon mesmer would ever stoop so low as to do it. It’s just non skillfull play that takes away the appeal of the spec as it was intended to be played.

    Shame!!! ding, ding, ding, ding

    Vae Victus!
    [Hcm] Promotraitor

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Do the same.
    As far as i happened to see they have no way to see if they are using or not a macro.

  • allias.1420allias.1420 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2018

    @shippage.1983 said:
    I don't see it as a problem, in fact you'd be at a disadvantage if you used this. You wouldn't be able to adapt to all situations for very little benefit.

    I agree with Shippage on this one. If a player presses a single button to enable a series of actions in rapid succession, you have very little control over that duration. Against decent players, someone using a macro won't be able to react and counterplay as efficiently as they could if they practiced their combos.

    I don't think macros make a mesmer's gameplay any better, only worse.

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Do the same.
    As far as i happened to see they have no way to see if they are using or not a macro.

    But not all classes or builds benefit from macro to the same degree. So you end up with an unfair advantage for some players and not others. If everyone had the same build then a macro would be more “fair” in the sense that certain combo automation was assumed to be possible for all players.

    Northern Shiverpeaks (NSP)
    Deadeye (Thief)
    Commandant of P/D and Apex Predator

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @saerni.2584 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Do the same.
    As far as i happened to see they have no way to see if they are using or not a macro.

    But not all classes or builds benefit from macro to the same degree. So you end up with an unfair advantage for some players and not others. If everyone had the same build then a macro would be more “fair” in the sense that certain combo automation was assumed to be possible for all players.

    But since they can't stop nor prove that somebody is using a macro, doing the same would probably be the best choice.
    I mean, instead of witch hunting ( he was using a macroooo ).

  • saerni.2584saerni.2584 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    @saerni.2584 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    Do the same.
    As far as i happened to see they have no way to see if they are using or not a macro.

    But not all classes or builds benefit from macro to the same degree. So you end up with an unfair advantage for some players and not others. If everyone had the same build then a macro would be more “fair” in the sense that certain combo automation was assumed to be possible for all players.

    But since they can't stop nor prove that somebody is using a macro, doing the same would probably be the best choice.
    I mean, instead of witch hunting ( he was using a macroooo ).

    Oh absolutely re: witch hunting , especially because some people do have incredible reflexes and end up appearing to use macros when all they did was press the right buttons in the right order at the right time. If some people can play Chopin they can hit the keys that quickly.

    But I disagree that people should “just do it too” because it is technically against TOS and you never know when or how Anet will enforce it. Better to just assume every Mesmer is “good” and work on being that good yourself with legit play.

    It’s similar to my philosophy on builds. If you don’t play a gimmicky bandwagon op build you won’t generally get nerfed.

    Northern Shiverpeaks (NSP)
    Deadeye (Thief)
    Commandant of P/D and Apex Predator

  • Kahyos.1437Kahyos.1437 Member ✭✭✭

    Logs should indicate a player consistently pressing the buttons in exactly the right interval, which, I believe, Anet can use as a metric of sorts. Latency might affect this though.

  • Taltevus.3289Taltevus.3289 Member ✭✭
    edited March 9, 2018

    @BlackBeard.2873 said:
    You could always just dodge the mantra of distraction....oh wait...no you can't b/c it interrupts dodge-rolls while traited with Confounding Suggestions

    Literally NO counterplay! Such great design!!!

    And the test determined that was a lie.

©2010–2018 ArenaNet, LLC. All rights reserved. Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Heart of Thorns, Guild Wars 2: Path of Fire, ArenaNet, NCSOFT, the Interlocking NC Logo, and all associated logos and designs are trademarks or registered trademarks of NCSOFT Corporation. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.