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Best/Notable WvW Havoc guilds, EU and NA?

bLind.6278bLind.6278 Member ✭✭✭

Hey nice murderpeople,

I recently returned to WvW, and in the past would usually run in zerg k-trains or smaller zerg k-trains, occasionally solo so I could get destroyed as the kitten I was. However, this time I've come back with the intention of finding a decent havoc/small numbers group to ruin k-trains with. I've found a decent one, not without faults, but one that makes for fun nights, some decent bag counts, and a focus on fights before PPT kitten, even when it's typically 15v30+.

That being said, I'm curious as to what the community feels some of the more notable havoc groups are out there, as well as the best tiers for them to play in. I'm currently attached to a horrible t4 server whose most well known guilds are filled to the brim with anyone who will accept a random spam invite and are consistently outperformed by guilds on a server that hasn't been relevant for 2+ years.

I know guilds like CAKE or ZEN are somewhat popular EU because of a few notable YouTube personalities, but I have no idea if they're actually any good or just show fights that make them appear as such. Are there any similar US guilds that really thrive on being "elite?" I know the havoc group meta is dying with how broken WoD is in combination with Scourge/Weaver/Rev damage, but surely someone is still out there fighting the good fight?

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    vT is about the only guild I come across that I actively avoid, and I'm crazy levels of don't give a kitten about dying.

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  • bLind.6278bLind.6278 Member ✭✭✭

    @Justine.6351 said:
    vT is about the only guild I come across that I actively avoid, and I'm crazy levels of don't give a kitten about dying.

    I've dealt with a few vT in the past, they definitely know what they're doing out there. I've actually got a couple of them with alts in my current guild, I think.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    vt is in ns :)

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  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    if you're talking about small havoc groups like under 10, then vT is probably the best in NA.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    fam is also here. =)

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  • EremiteAngel.9765EremiteAngel.9765 Member ✭✭✭✭

    oh just to add, if you aspire to join a group with top individual roamers, then possibly consider Fear guild.
    They are pretty much the best of the best.

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  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Does vT move around a bit? I don't remember what server they were on at the time but I recall playing against them when IOJ was previously paired with SoS. At the time I forget who it was in vT was testing out holo in that matchup but it was fun fighting them. Only came across 2-3 at the time. By NS do you mean northern shiverpeaks? I didn't see them when we played against them and hod in the last pairing, maybe they didn't play eb at the time.

    Off topic but everytime I see your name I am always thinking of VegemiteAngel hehe. Have you ever tried it?

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DemonSeed.3528 said:

    Off topic but everytime I see your name I am always thinking of VegemiteAngel hehe. Have you ever tried it?

    Much like how I keep saying "Relevant" when fighting and then realize how ironic that is.

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  • Israel.7056Israel.7056 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I must have a different definition of "havoc" because in my mind a havoc guild is one that desieges things and tries to take objectives with a small number of people. I think what you're asking about are roaming guilds and they have mostly ceased to exist in NA. YB has one called Brotherhood of Zetara but they mostly just try to spawn camp.

  • DemonSeed.3528DemonSeed.3528 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If that's the same BOZ in yb that I came across - I'm not sure what to say. We killed them off a bunch of times one night (end of nov last year) and I guess they got mad cos they came back jumping over gate at briar using a hack or exploit. Yup, just checked the video I recorded, it is the same BOZ guild.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Israel.7056 said:
    I must have a different definition of "havoc" because in my mind a havoc guild is one that desieges things and tries to take objectives with a small number of people. I think what you're asking about are roaming guilds and they have mostly ceased to exist in NA. YB has one called Brotherhood of Zetara but they mostly just try to spawn camp.

    Was thinking the same thing.

    Havoc by definition creates havoc by hitting objectives to pull the enemy Zerg in different directions, while allowing your Zerg to finish what they are doing.

    They are still running on NA, but they are few.

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  • vT for sure. Since you're in the land of t4 (and potential links) i'd add MAGA to the top of the list too. depending on your t4 server, honorable mentions to Os, Lgnd, RDRM, and HONR if it might help you find a happy place.

  • GoM native here, so I'm a bit biased - but GFC from GoM is one of the best when it comes to havoc - desieging and taking upgrades objectives with 10 or less.

  • Cake Walk in EU comes to mind, i've seen them 8v20, they have a very solid comp, although I might consider them more of a zerg busting group rather than havok. vT, definitely havok.

    BTW, what ever happened to tRex?

  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2018

    @EremiteAngel.9765 said:
    oh just to add, if you aspire to join a group with top individual roamers, then possibly consider Fear guild.
    They are pretty much the best of the best.

    I've seen several different guilds with a Fear tag. None of them had any noteworthy roamers ;\
    There were a few from a tag that looked like "prx" that were pretty good tho, not sure the server.

    @MountainRunner.3576 said:
    vT for sure. Since you're in the land of t4 (and potential links) i'd add MAGA to the top of the list too. depending on your t4 server, honorable mentions to Os, Lgnd, RDRM, and HONR if it might help you find a happy place.

    LOL "lgnd"
    The only reason I even recognize that guild tag is because one guy kept giving me the ragey-est salt whispers I've ever seen every single time I effortlessly took him out. Not sure about their other members, haven't seen any but this really salty guy haha.

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  • HazyDaisy.4107HazyDaisy.4107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turk.5460 said:
    LOL "lgnd"
    The only reason I even recognize that guild tag is because one guy kept giving me the ragey-est salt whispers I've ever seen every single time I effortlessly took him out. Not sure about their other members, haven't seen any but this really salty guy haha.

    I was on an alt acct in the JP one day during Wintersday and saw that guy get taken out by a snowball in the last part of the JP. I must admit, I ran out of time because I was laughing so hard, but it doesn't matter, it was well worth it, considering I believe, I'm the first person he whispered on my server, it felt like it was fate that I saw that :)

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  • Turk.5460Turk.5460 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 28, 2018

    @HazyDaisy.4107 said:

    @Turk.5460 said:
    LOL "lgnd"
    The only reason I even recognize that guild tag is because one guy kept giving me the ragey-est salt whispers I've ever seen every single time I effortlessly took him out. Not sure about their other members, haven't seen any but this really salty guy haha.

    ... it felt like it was fate that I saw that :)

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  • vT is by far the top small man I have seen. I had the pleasure of roaming with them a couple of times while on FC and they pull off some amazing wins vs considerably larger numbers.

  • bLind.6278bLind.6278 Member ✭✭✭

    @Shagaliscious.6281 said:
    Cake Walk in EU comes to mind, i've seen them 8v20, they have a very solid comp, although I might consider them more of a zerg busting group rather than havok. vT, definitely havok.

    BTW, what ever happened to tRex?

    Zerg buster is probably far better for what I'm referring to than havoc. Apologies for the incorrect term.

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  • Joao.3410Joao.3410 Member ✭✭

    You mean zerg busting like this?

  • Waffle.3748Waffle.3748 Member ✭✭

    @Shagaliscious.6281 said:
    Cake Walk in EU comes to mind, i've seen them 8v20, they have a very solid comp, although I might consider them more of a zerg busting group rather than havok. vT, definitely havok.

    BTW, what ever happened to tRex?

    tRex got a bit tired of the game and split, we still play some other games with each other now and again but most just don't find GW2 fun anymore.

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  • Blood.5607Blood.5607 Member ✭✭✭

    vT boiz :) definitley would say NA's strongest small-scale fighters

  • Chorazin.4107Chorazin.4107 Member ✭✭✭

    @Waffle.3748 said:

    @Shagaliscious.6281 said:
    Cake Walk in EU comes to mind, i've seen them 8v20, they have a very solid comp, although I might consider them more of a zerg busting group rather than havok. vT, definitely havok.

    BTW, what ever happened to tRex?

    tRex got a bit tired of the game and split, we still play some other games with each other now and again but most just don't find GW2 fun anymore.

    Yeah people just got bored and moved on, plenty of other games out there to play.

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  • EU Cake walk is kinda doing roaming and zerg busting from what i've seen. not sure if they are a havoc squad as well.

  • @Sovereign.1093 said:
    vt is in ns :)

    I think vT was just on SF, not NSP. They're not with us currently unless they transferred after the link

  • Arcaedus.7290Arcaedus.7290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Have to agree with those above me: as a group I think [vT] is one of the best. I've fought against them a few times. Very solid group play and 1v1 game. Otherwise, the greatest talent seems to belong to individuals far and few between.

    It's unfortunate that a lot of once feared roaming groups are now relegated to "roaming" in front of towers or smc they own.

  • vT is one of the best small-group guilds out there--they only like to run 5 or less players at a time. I've seen them destroy groups that heavily outnumber them. Check out these 2 vids:
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=VV-P1bw7OXE
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=z2jrP0Aac68

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    cake walk hands down.

    dunno about NA neither i care for ones whos gonna tell me whos better ;)

  • DeceiverX.8361DeceiverX.8361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    BOZ has some mechanically-decent players, but as mentioned, a number of them exploit, hack, or cheese wins.

    @Thorp.7982 said:
    Agriope and I are the guild leaders of [vT], currently on SF and would normally hop every relink to what looks the most fun for our guild, but with alliances coming up and lack of interest we haven't moved yet. I believe EU has a lot more active roaming/havoc guilds than NA does, most notably [Zen], [GoE] and [Cake]. A lot of the NA roaming/havoc guilds are somewhat burnt out of the game or the terrible meta at the moment, including our own to a degree, and are playing other games.

    Personally, we consider 1-5 players to be roaming, like the old days, and anything above that (6-15) to be more on the end of havoc/zerg-busting.

    You guys are quite good and generally pretty cool people even to fight against. Went back and forth with one of your mesmers probably about two years ago over a sentry and we just ended up dueling for like three hours after haha.

    You're right in that most of the NA small-scale scene is gone, though. There used to pretty much be constant action across the tiers in terms of small groups and havoc, and I rarely see anything less than swaths of 10 people. I'm the only one still playing of my 5-7man skillgroup, and even then, I'm on way less than prior and mostly just tool around in blobs because it's more exciting to dive zergs on builds that shouldn't than it is to copy-paste whatever FoTM cheese is used in the roaming/small-scale scene these days.

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  • Sovereign.1093Sovereign.1093 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @meowtier.1364 said:

    @Sovereign.1093 said:
    vt is in ns :)

    I think vT was just on SF, not NSP. They're not with us currently unless they transferred after the link

    ah. =) i stand corrected

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  • Thelgar.7214Thelgar.7214 Member ✭✭✭

    JOY for NA.

  • Jace al Thor.6745Jace al Thor.6745 Member ✭✭✭

    @Thorp.7982 said:
    Agriope and I are the guild leaders of [vT], currently on SF and would normally hop every relink to what looks the most fun for our guild, but with alliances coming up and lack of interest we haven't moved yet. I believe EU has a lot more active roaming/havoc guilds than NA does, most notably [Zen], [GoE] and [Cake]. A lot of the NA roaming/havoc guilds are somewhat burnt out of the game or the terrible meta at the moment, including our own to a degree, and are playing other games.

    Personally, we consider 1-5 players to be roaming, like the old days, and anything above that (6-15) to be more on the end of havoc/zerg-busting.

    Is vT recruiting? I’ve seen y’all on SF when roaming and the guild I was running with has all went inactive so I’m looking for a WvW guild to run with.

  • Chorazin.4107Chorazin.4107 Member ✭✭✭

    I think vT are a good shout for the best over the course of the games history for NA. If you think longevity as well as success, skill etc.

    EV probably worth a shout, along with QQ, tM, List.

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  • Limodriver.4106Limodriver.4106 Member ✭✭✭

    NA we dont do Havoc since it makes no diff to war score and 99% of the time u will just get blob down anyway.

  • @Jace al Thor.6745 said:
    Is vT recruiting? I’ve seen y’all on SF when roaming and the guild I was running with has all went inactive so I’m looking for a WvW guild to run with.

    Not at the moment because a lot of us aren't playing GW2 very actively; we kinda just have people play with us and join if we like their personality rather than look for people.

    @Chorazin.4107 said:
    I think vT are a good shout for the best over the course of the games history for NA. If you think longevity as well as success, skill etc.

    Thanks. There are a lot of guilds/players that aren't as active or quit that will always be a hard fight -- usually comes down to which comp is better because skill is equal or comparable nowadays. tM/Holy by far being the hardest to fight for everyone, List/Ego, tRex/KUM/sPvP mag boys just to name a few groups that we have a lot of respect for.

  • Actual organized objective focused havoc is dead. There are maybe a few decent roam guilds left. I legit get happy when I see an actual guild group of any size running in this game lately. The blob mob cloud meta is awful.

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  • nomdeplums.5780nomdeplums.5780 Member
    edited March 7, 2018

    @Thorp.7982 said:
    Thanks. There are a lot of guilds/players that aren't as active or quit that will always be a hard fight -- usually comes down to which comp is better because skill is equal or comparable nowadays. tM/Holy by far being the hardest to fight for everyone, List/Ego, tRex/KUM/sPvP mag boys just to name a few groups that we have a lot of respect for.

    Thanks from tM for the compliment, Thorp. Almost a shame that we don't get to encounter you in the field anymore. You guys were fun to fight. Maybe we can set up some friendly scrims some time.

  • @nomdeplums.5780 said:
    Thanks from tM for the compliment, Thorp. Almost a shame that we don't get to encounter you in the field anymore. You guys were fun to fight. Maybe we can set up some friendly scrims some time.

    Yeah, forsure, you guys are well known and respected by all NA roamers, at least the old-school ones who remember the days when people actually did 3v3s-5v5s. We actually had a lot of guilds scrim us the night before to practice just for fights against you guys. Maybe if they actually balance the game for once we could do some scrims/duels, would be great for testing and fun. At the moment none of us are playing really.

  • Hey if you’re worried about uneven comps why don’t you guys mirror Comp? No one fights anymore it would be cool if guilds scrimmed again xD I’m sure it wouldn’t be that hard to get at least 3 people on board to do some fights.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2018

    The problem atm is the last 2 expansions and snails pace of balancing especially in WvW has cause most roamers and havoc to leave the game, I'd even say a lot of players to leave. Basically if you're not into zerging around all the time your hours in WvW have usually declined since HoT and definitely since PoF and the scourge. Game balance should be at the top (or very near) of ANet's agenda, it doesn't matter how much content you throw out, if people don't enjoy playing it, they won't keep playing it and the current balancing structure leaves a lot of disgruntled players.

    So saying which is best is more like saying which 3 out of the entire game are still around and active. I'd say for EU it's Cake only because I haven't really seen anyone else.

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    @Thelgar.7214 said:
    JOY for NA.

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  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:
    I'd say for EU it's Cake only because I haven't really seen anyone else.

    I think the problem for EU is that small guilds havent really profiled themselves, so they just blend into the masses - there are either 50 man pug raids (which definitely isnt havoc) 15-25 man raids (which isnt really havoc either) or there are a couple of gank roamers. Or of course duelists that no one cares about. The whole smallscale thing remain a little taboo.

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  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    I'd say for EU it's Cake only because I haven't really seen anyone else.

    I think the problem for EU is that small guilds havent really profiled themselves, so they just blend into the masses - there are either 50 man pug raids (which definitely isnt havoc) 15-25 man raids (which isnt really havoc either) or there are a couple of gank roamers. Or of course duelists that no one cares about. The whole smallscale thing remain a little taboo.

    Nah there used to be loads of guilds running as 2-5 people just being a massive pain in the enemies rear but anything valuable to take has watchtower on or near it and the zerg will WP over just for 4 people. If you ever fight a German server they seem to have 1-2 people in every tower and keep ready on the cannon without mentioning the zerg immediately WPs to train over you. Legit had a zerg chase a few of use from garri wall to and through NC before getting bored as we went through the centaurs. Havoc is dead because with all the sentries and watchtowers you can’t get fights because everyone comes to kill you, you’re 3 blips on the radar so they send 10 people, 3 are scourges making every inch of space horrible to fight in, 2 are holos, 2 FBs stopping you from killing anyone and rest are either rangers, mesmers, SB or thieves .

    Havoc is dead because we are throughly into a gank happy meta where you use sledge hammers for nails and dig holes with dynamite.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2018

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Dawdler.8521 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    I'd say for EU it's Cake only because I haven't really seen anyone else.

    I think the problem for EU is that small guilds havent really profiled themselves, so they just blend into the masses - there are either 50 man pug raids (which definitely isnt havoc) 15-25 man raids (which isnt really havoc either) or there are a couple of gank roamers. Or of course duelists that no one cares about. The whole smallscale thing remain a little taboo.

    Nah there used to be loads of guilds running as 2-5 people just being a massive pain in the enemies rear but anything valuable to take has watchtower on or near it and the zerg will WP over just for 4 people. If you ever fight a German server they seem to have 1-2 people in every tower and keep ready on the cannon without mentioning the zerg immediately WPs to train over you. Legit had a zerg chase a few of use from garri wall to and through NC before getting bored as we went through the centaurs. Havoc is dead because with all the sentries and watchtowers you can’t get fights because everyone comes to kill you, you’re 3 blips on the radar so they send 10 people, 3 are scourges making every inch of space horrible to fight in, 2 are holos, 2 FBs stopping you from killing anyone and rest are either rangers, mesmers, SB or thieves .

    Havoc is dead because we are throughly into a gank happy meta where you use sledge hammers for nails and dig holes with dynamite.

    Well yeah there used to be and still are small groups but you dont really see the recognised guild that has profiled itself as havoc, you only see a small group of arrowcart loving sausage eating Germans.

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  • Valdel.7325Valdel.7325 Member ✭✭

    Havoc is zerg busting, camp grabbing, small group fighting and ninja takes of keeps, towers and even garrisons. In no particular order and apologies for my memory.
    Jdge Legends (SFR) may be less visible these days, NUKE (PS), CRYLegend and Perish (GND), Rise (GH) and the aforementioned Cake.
    There are some who are larger guilds but can break up into good havoc groups like Waco and Fire (RoF).
    French, Spanish and German, there may be a few, but hard to distinguish due to the swamping and zerging on national servers.

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    so sad to see only a few havoc guilds in EU :(

    yes necro huehue

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