Updated pvp skill split changes this week?

can we expect the updated list of changes this week?

I guess this means no D:

they said they try to finish that list this week, but its a lot of work.

so dont punish them if it Needs longer guys. :-)

@Zero.3871 said:they said they try to finish that list this week, but its a lot of work.

so dont punish them if it Needs longer guys. :-)

We don’t. If it takes longer we’d appreciate a “no”.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:I'm still hoping tonight or tomorrow I'll be able to at least get the changes posted. The full list will need to go through another localization pass though.

appreciate the answer ben

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:I'm still hoping tonight or tomorrow I'll be able to at least get the changes posted. The full list will need to go through another localization pass though.

Refresh. Refresh. Refresh.

@pah.4931 said:

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:I'm still hoping tonight or tomorrow I'll be able to at least get the changes posted. The full list will need to go through another localization pass though.

Lol yeah I’ve been doing the same thing. Trying to be patient but it’s not happening

Patience is a virtue.

But then again, I never said I was a saint.

refreshing every couple minutes as well.... T_T pray to Ben

haha, yea i have a tab open to refresh too :)

@Toron.4856 said:refreshing every couple minutes as well.... T_T pray to Ben

You must be waiting to see all the Rev nerfs and the qq that follows when someone post a thread saying their too strong.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:Working on the post now. Will probably update the stickied post rather than here though.

That’s fine by me! And I’m sure everyone else too. _

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:Working on the post now. Will probably update the stickied post rather than here though.

I love You

I note that you're basically shutting down the elusive mind trait. The trait counters itself. If you have exhaustion, you're still CC'd. In fact you might actually be worse off. I'm guessing that you're shutting down the trait with numbers because you can't make a pvp version? That's a pretty hard hit on Mirage. I note also the heavy shatter damage reductions.

Please be very cautious. Balance changes come far too seldom and a radical change can cause problems that linger. Mesmer was widely acknowledged trash tier after the glamour nerf and that situation dragged on for well over a year... remember when Illusionary elasticity was shut down for what? A year?

In most complex situations, it's better to under react than to over react.

@Ithilwen.1529 said:I note that you're basically shutting down the elusive mind trait. The trait counters itself. If you have exhaustion, you're still CC'd. In fact you might actually be worse off. I'm guessing that you're shutting down the trait with numbers because you can't make a pvp version? That's a pretty hard hit on Mirage. I note also the heavy shatter damage reductions.

Good.

Please be very cautious. Balance changes come far too seldom and a radical change can cause problems that linger. Mesmer was widely acknowledged trash tier after the glamour nerf and that situation dragged on for well over a year... remember when Illusionary elasticity was shut down for what? A year?

Mesmer may have been regarded as trash tier at one point in time. However, those days are long gone and now mesmers are widely acknowledged as completely overpowered and broken.

In most complex situations, it's better to under react than to over react.

Well, it's your lucky day. These mesmer nerfs were under reactions. They still need a lot more nerfs because at the moment, they are completely broken.

• Illusionary Defender is hitting people for 18k multiple times due to resummons.
• Illusionary Disenchanter is hitting for 10k+ as well.
• The 10+ clone spam makes it almost impossible to tell what's going on. Not only does it render tab target nearly useless, but click targetting as well.
• It is impossible to discern which clone is which because they just resummon themselves.
• Mirage is still extremely difficult to pressure due to the nature of Mirage Cloak.
• Chronomancer resummoning is even stronger than Mirage's (albeit a weaker MU).
• Mesmer can also hit 20k+ damage from stealth repeatedly on a short cooldown without any tells if you don't see the mesmer coming. By the time the mesmer leaves stealth you die unless you can react an almost instant burst with quickness with a stunbreak that's also an evade or an invulnerability skill.
• Chronomancer has access to 18+ seconds of alacrity as well as permanent EVERY boon in the game including 25 stacks of might. Core and Mirage do as well (minus the alacrity).
• Mirage has the highest access to on-demand invulnerability.

etc. etc. Mesmers are extremely broken.

@shadowpass.4236 said:

@Ithilwen.1529 said:

I note that you're basically shutting down the elusive mind trait. The trait counters itself.

If you have exhaustion, you're still CC'd. In fact you might actually be worse off. I'm guessing that you're shutting down the trait with numbers because you can't make a pvp version?

That's a pretty hard hit on Mirage.

I note also the heavy shatter damage reductions.

Please be very cautious. Balance changes come far too seldom and a radical change can cause problems that linger.

Mesmer was widely acknowledged trash tier after the glamour nerf and that situation dragged on for well over a year... remember when Illusionary elasticity was shut down for what? A year?

In most complex situations, it's better to under react than to over react.

• Illusionary Defender is hitting people for 18k multiple times due to resummons.
• Illusionary Disenchanter is hitting for 10k+ as well.
• The 10+ clone spam makes it almost impossible to tell what's going on. Not only does it render tab target nearly useless, but click targetting as well.
• It is impossible to discern which clone is which because they just resummon themselves.
• Mirage is still extremely difficult to pressure due to the nature of Mirage Cloak.
• Chronomancer resummoning is even stronger than Mirage's (albeit a weaker MU).
• Mesmer can also hit 20k+ damage from stealth repeatedly on a short cooldown without any tells if you don't see the mesmer coming. By the time the mesmer leaves stealth you die unless you can react an almost instant burst with quickness with a stunbreak that's also an evade or an invulnerability skill.
• Chronomancer has access to 18+ seconds of alacrity as well as permanent EVERY boon in the game including 25 stacks of might. Core and Mirage do as well (minus the alacrity).
• Mirage has the highest access to on-demand invulnerability.

and they have portal xd

@"Ithilwen.1529" said:I note that you're basically shutting down the elusive mind trait. The trait counters itself. If you have exhaustion, you're still CC'd. In fact you might actually be worse off. I'm guessing that you're shutting down the trait with numbers because you can't make a pvp version? That's a pretty hard hit on Mirage. I note also the heavy shatter damage reductions.

Please be very cautious. Balance changes come far too seldom and a radical change can cause problems that linger. Mesmer was widely acknowledged trash tier after the glamour nerf and that situation dragged on for well over a year... remember when Illusionary elasticity was shut down for what? A year?

In most complex situations, it's better to under react than to over react.

Ben already said that this balance patch is merely the beginning, more "adjustments" will b required

stringalong

I'm not even going to be elaborate when I say this, but seeing as how Mesmer is already the dominant jack of all trades conquest class, if you don't slap on more nerfing alongside of the Godzilla sized nerfs you're giving other classes, we're going to see this meta:

• Mesmers
• Scourges
• Firebrands
• Then a handful of others trying to play semi-viable classes that in no way touch the strength & utility of the above three.

Seriously though... please do not coup de grace spvp.

I just hope these changes don't result in stale fights. Better player in PvP know to disengage and position properly. Reducing burst is good until a point where nobody really dies anymore.

@Marxx.5021 said:I just hope these changes don't result in stale fights. Better player in PvP know to disengage and position properly. Reducing burst is good until a point where nobody really dies anymore.

SPVP is all burst right now and has been for a long time. That's the problem. Player skill =/= burst.