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  • dagger dave.5201dagger dave.5201 Member ✭✭✭

    vaans only got dishonor for 11 days, seems like Anet playing favourites with content creators. Which means he can still play next season :)

  • Legatus.3608Legatus.3608 Member ✭✭✭

    @LUST.7241 said:
    Looks at leaderboard.
    Looks back at thread.
    Looks at leaderboard.
    Looks back at thread.

    I hope win trading wasn't found by Win Percentage alone.

    @bluri.2653 said:
    You should consider permanent dishonor instead so these players never get to set foot in pvp

    Exactly. Lot of the culprits have done this for many consecutive seasons and still have their alts on the leaderboard.

    A lot of people aren't understanding that this IS a solution.

    Yes people like vaans have alt accounts, but now that anet has set a precedence those accounts are also in danger of bans.

  • @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    After a careful investigation of matches and account data, we’ve confirmed that certain players were involved in PvP match manipulation during the current season. The players involved have been removed from the leaderboards and given Dishonor for a period of three months. We will continue to monitor the game for incidents of this sort, and will take action on other accounts as the situation warrants it.

    Good initiative, however three months looks a very kind punishment for people that hacking/manipuling combat along 2.5 months of league.. this people deserve permanban because that kind of players make game experience a terrible experience. Care true players.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2018

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Bearbrunt.4196 said:
    3 months is nothing compared to the cumulative amount of time these players have wasted for others (and themselves). They're getting off lucky, and the same people will just be back in 3 months to start the routine over. In the meantime, they'll probably be replaced by different offenders that don't shout what they're doing from the rooftops.

    A ban like this doesn't solve the issue at its core. Win-trading is still going to be prevalent, people are just going to be more discrete about it. Tossing out a ban to a few key-offenders every few months is a great way to make things seem okay.

    One wave of permanent bans would solve all wintrade problems , noone would risk valuable account for just title , do you understand that ?

    I am not sure that will solve definitely the problem, but even so it would be good for the community itself.
    Be able to see that ANET staff care about the situation created by those who deliberately choose to ruin the game could only turned into a positive meaning.

    I am also sure that the point of exploiting the ranked season is 99.9% related to a main account, and once the account is gone those players won't try anything back ( there's no sense in having a title on a new account, because having a veteran account will require infinitely more time that exploiting a ranked season ).

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2018

    @dagger dave.5201 said:
    vaans only got dishonor for 11 days, seems like Anet playing favourites with content creators. Which means he can still play next season :)

    Source? How do you know this? If so then the OP is an out and out liar. What content did this clown ever create? What did Vaans and people like Naru and his clown friends ever create except for problems? They streamed on Twitch? Anything else? lol what a joke.

    Oh wait I forgot, bad YouTube videos with garbo music.

  • dagger dave.5201dagger dave.5201 Member ✭✭✭

    i asked vaans and he told me 11 days dishonor

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    He is most likely full of S or ANet is lying to us to take care of their favored sons. Either way pathetic slap on the wrist in attempt to placate the community. Just like when Naru and his clowns did the same garbage and they got a little slap for it except they got even less.

  • @Devilman.1532 said:
    He is most likely full of S or ANet is lying to us to take care of their favored sons. Either way pathetic slap on the wrist in attempt to placate the community. Just like when Naru and his clowns did the same garbage and they got a little slap for it except they got even less.

    Yeah a screen shot would definitely put the nail in the coffin either way. If Vaans posts s screen shot with anything less than s three months dishonor all hell would break lose. But if he posts if showing 3 months then he’s lying(or someone is) and there goes his credibility even further down the drain and no one would want him in their team(they shouldn’t anyway)

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:
    He is most likely full of S or ANet is lying to us to take care of their favored sons. Either way pathetic slap on the wrist in attempt to placate the community. Just like when Naru and his clowns did the same garbage and they got a little slap for it except they got even less.

    Yeah a screen shot would definitely put the nail in the coffin either way. If Vaans posts s screen shot with anything less than s three months dishonor all hell would break lose. But if he posts if showing 3 months then he’s lying(or someone is) and there goes his credibility even further down the drain and no one would want him in their team(they shouldn’t anyway)

    Why he would do that in first place? He isnt interested in that
    Frostball seems like left team with wintraders ,if its true he got all my respect for that

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:
    He is most likely full of S or ANet is lying to us to take care of their favored sons. Either way pathetic slap on the wrist in attempt to placate the community. Just like when Naru and his clowns did the same garbage and they got a little slap for it except they got even less.

    Yeah a screen shot would definitely put the nail in the coffin either way. If Vaans posts s screen shot with anything less than s three months dishonor all hell would break lose. But if he posts if showing 3 months then he’s lying(or someone is) and there goes his credibility even further down the drain and no one would want him in their team(they shouldn’t anyway)

    Well I believe that was an invitation. By all means post us a screen shot Vaans since you are known to frequent this forum.

  • @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    I'm not going to comment on anyone's specific amount of dishonor. But a general thing to know is that we have a UI bug that happens when someone has an exceptionally large amount of dishonor. In short, any screenshot for someone with large amounts of dishonor is not reliable.

    Now, this is just me but the way the first sentence reads is that some people didn’t get the three month dishonor. If they did simply saying everyone found in the intial investigation received three months as will any else found to be involved.
    But we’ll know if someone post a screenshot of any of those supposedly dishonored for 3 months on the leaderboards in a couple weeks.

    But please do not let this be the only time you do this. With the amount of people that are coming out as having done this or using speed hacks there’s really no reason that semi large bans/lengthy dishonors won’t happen weekly to bi weekly.

  • Rufo.3716Rufo.3716 Member ✭✭✭

    Just get rid of ranked and all these idiots go away. Figure out some way for rewards to be gained through unranked and everything will be better. It's not like ranked actually is a true measure of skill anymore anyway. When you are in gold/plat and you have players who think spawn camping beast is a solid strat, something is wrong with the system to begin with. It only encourages more cheating since skill doesn't get you anywhere anymore.

  • Getting banned is a difficult thing to do unless it has a direct affect to Arenanet's bottom line or continued harassment. BLTC (The Trading Post) economic manipulation gets more attention than any game mode or competition and even then (IMO) it seems people only get a temp ban. Banning accounts means less opportunity for revenue and balancing the payer population with those who don't spend means some bad apples will remain regardless. Players can leave if they don't like it but no one is getting banned as long as the investors are happy.

  • Anyone from NA get banned? There's more on that side than EU I'm sure. haha

  • Ziggityzog.7389Ziggityzog.7389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Untill the items are taken from them that are un earned and the accounts are perma banned from pvp. this means nothing at all. All they will do is proudly enoy what they cheated to get and then after the ban they will continue to cheat.

    Cheaters don't quit till you pull them from their mama's basement and make them. You must perma ban the win trade losers or this is just another joke wrist tap against them.

  • Kundry.1249Kundry.1249 Member ✭✭

    @Arahzor.1832 said:
    So he gets "blocked" from pvp for three months for cheating by trading wins.

    But he got to keep all the rewards he got from cheating?

    Then it's not really a punishment, he got what he wanted after all. It's like if i would rob a bank and get 20 millions, I'll go to jail and when i come out I got my 20 millions there waiting for me, it's not a punishment, all i do is to wait a bit then i can enjoy my wrong gotten items. Then why are we all not doing it? It's the easiest thing ever to consider the "punishment" and imagine all that loot we can get?

    Maybe you @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 or @Gaile Gray.6029 can answer this? Is this the way Arena Net want PvP to be? Is this the Arena Net that perm banned people who bought chilipeppers and sold them for money back in 2012? Since I for one, does not think it's the same. Because back then, it was clearly no tolerance, like it should always be.

    I'll link a picture of how proud one certain player is with his "punishment" and his items.

    That's a reward for winning a monthly AT, which has nothing to do with wintrading in ranked.

  • Ithilwen.1529Ithilwen.1529 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well done, ANET.

    Mesmerizing Girl

  • People who wintrade ruin the game for other players, which makes them not like the game and move on. I would know as I've left this game for months at a time only to come back after to try it out again to see if things changed. I did this several times and it's because of bad games with people on my team not trying. These wintraders and cheaters completely ruin the experience of others and the PvP population goes down because of it. They should have permanent dishonour so more people don't try and copy what they did.

    Also, make a proper PvP tutorial so people know what they're doing.

  • Ithilwen.1529Ithilwen.1529 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The key word there is "may."

    Mesmerizing Girl

  • @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @yiliandexiang.5921 said:
    Chinese servers also need this

    Is it bad there too?

    yes。。

  • @Ithilwen.1529 said:
    The key word there is "may."

    The key word was actually "terminate" since most people here agree that the response isn't harsh enough.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2018

    Its not likely that they gonna change their mind despite of everyone here demand deserved permanent dishonor/ban.They ruined countless amount of games for everyone every season( especially when you had 4-5 of them in 1 game) and actions been taken only recently because of wintrade posts on forums were way too frequent

  • Ioras Dagnir.3927Ioras Dagnir.3927 Member ✭✭
    edited March 14, 2018

    I asked Gail directly whether it is more effective or not. We will see next season if the temp dishonour is enough of a deterrent because I can see the pros and cons to both.
    A harsh response doesn't have to mean permaban either, a lot of people are asking if the rewards gained by unfair means have been redacted too.

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ok.... so Wintrade as much as you can quietly with friends and do your best to get away with it, but don't worry to much if you get caught you'll be out for a season at most....

    Roger that, good to know how the system works. Let me start circle jerking the same 10 people and figure things out with them what time zone/rating we should all be in so we can start this method to boost an account over 1700 rating with no issues at all. Wait.... don't worry i'll do it on the last few days of rank so know one would know!

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blackdagger.9670 said:
    let's make an official list guys,

    who were these wintraders? lets start giving some names, that will be the best punishment for them if we publicly shame them.

    let the shame walk begin!

    Dude you sound like you're 12.
    No one is going to care if you put them on display.
    You're giving them publicity.
    That's what they are known for, and that's why they do what they do.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Blackdagger.9670 said:
    let's make an official list guys,

    who were these wintraders? lets start giving some names, that will be the best punishment for them if we publicly shame them.

    let the shame walk begin!

    Dude you sound like you're 12.
    No one is going to care if you put them on display.
    You're giving them publicity.
    That's what they are known for, and that's why they do what they do.

    They are known alrdy , everyone who was looking at leaderboard know their heroes and those who suffered from countless losses because of them know them and their alt accounts and their friend who threw for them or rather helped via DC'ing when game was lost . At this point people hated them so much so threw/dc to let our beloved god of pvp win and be higher than wintraders

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    I'm not going to comment on anyone's specific amount of dishonor. But a general thing to know is that we have a UI bug that happens when someone has an exceptionally large amount of dishonor. In short, any screenshot for someone with large amounts of dishonor is not reliable.

    Sorry, not buying what you are selling here. Suddenly there is a "UI bug" when someone has a large amount of dishonor and now the screenshots people are putting up are "unreliable"? How convenient...

  • @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    I'm not going to comment on anyone's specific amount of dishonor. But a general thing to know is that we have a UI bug that happens when someone has an exceptionally large amount of dishonor. In short, any screenshot for someone with large amounts of dishonor is not reliable.

    Sorry, not buying what you are selling here. Suddenly there is a "UI bug" when someone has a large amount of dishonor and now the screenshots people are putting up are "unreliable"? How convenient...

    Well, we can provide proof by giving you a few years of dishonour and you can learn how the timer rolls over in weird ways. If you agree that if I'm telling the truth, I can leave it there. ;)

    The bug is not "sudden." It's always been there. It not the type of bug people are going to post about and one we're in too big of a hurry to fix, given the small number of people affected.

    It’s not the big issue that gets me. It’s how, after it’s already been publicly announced, that you respond by saying you won’t comment on someone’s specific amount. It’s a yes so and so revieved X amount of dishonor or no they did not. If it’s no they didn’t and now there’s a “bug” then that’s the issue. If they recieved the three months like they were supposed to there’s no need to not comment.

  • MarshallLaw.9260MarshallLaw.9260 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2018

    @Greener.6204 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    Well, we can provide proof by giving you a few years of dishonour and you can learn how the timer rolls over in weird ways. If you agree that if I'm telling the truth, I can leave it there. ;)

    The bug is not "sudden." It's always been there. It not the type of bug people are going to post about and one we're in too big of a hurry to fix, given the small number of people affected.

    Open threats are not the best way to relate with your customers. Threatening to do something amazingly heavy handed and unwarranted when someone doesn't agree with you or believe your statements is in very poor taste. I haven't broken any rules or violated the TOS in the incredible ways the offenders discussed here have who have received much, much less...

    Anyhow, have a nice day.

    That wasn't a threat. It was a joke as seen by a) how ridiculous it would be for an employee to react in such an overblown manner, and b) the winking smiley face at the end of the comment which acts as a symbol for "this is a joke".

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    It’s not the big issue that gets me. It’s how, after it’s already been publicly announced, that you respond by saying you won’t comment on someone’s specific amount. It’s a yes so and so revieved X amount of dishonor or no they did not. If it’s no they didn’t and now there’s a “bug” then that’s the issue. If they recieved the three months like they were supposed to there’s no need to not comment.

    Purposefully not commenting on an individual's situation on a public forum is standard practice for companies; there is generally nothing to gain but a lot to lose. You wishing it wasn't so won't change the practice. You've been given all the information you need to come to a general understanding of the situation. There is no reason for you to know specifically what's going on with another person's account.

    And to think people have called me out for supporting ANets choices..... but this, is a whole new level of white-knighting.

    WINKYFACE ;)

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2018

    @MarshallLaw.9260 said:

    @Greener.6204 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    Well, we can provide proof by giving you a few years of dishonour and you can learn how the timer rolls over in weird ways. If you agree that if I'm telling the truth, I can leave it there. ;)

    The bug is not "sudden." It's always been there. It not the type of bug people are going to post about and one we're in too big of a hurry to fix, given the small number of people affected.

    Open threats are not the best way to relate with your customers. Threatening to do something amazingly heavy handed and unwarranted when someone doesn't agree with you or believe your statements is in very poor taste. I haven't broken any rules or violated the TOS in the incredible ways the offenders discussed here have who have received much, much less...

    Anyhow, have a nice day.

    That wasn't a threat. It was a joke as seen by a) how ridiculous it would be for an employee to react in such an overblown manner, and b) the winking smiley face at the end of the comment which acts as a symbol for "this is a joke".

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    It’s not the big issue that gets me. It’s how, after it’s already been publicly announced, that you respond by saying you won’t comment on someone’s specific amount. It’s a yes so and so revieved X amount of dishonor or no they did not. If it’s no they didn’t and now there’s a “bug” then that’s the issue. If they recieved the three months like they were supposed to there’s no need to not comment.

    Purposefully not commenting on an individual's situation on a public forum is standard practice for companies; there is generally nothing to gain but a lot to lose. You wishing it wasn't so won't change the practice. You've been given all the information you need to come to a general understanding of the situation. There is no reason for you to know specifically what's going on with another person's account.

    And to think people have called me out for supporting ANets choices..... but this, is a whole new level of white-knighting.

    WINKYFACE ;)

    Jerk... you almost just made me friggin nose volcano mah Fuji water lmao

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Sorry if my humor was unclear! Though, getting lot of dishonour really would be the only way I can prove to you that UI bug exists if you're not willing to take my word for it.

    I think in essence what many others and myself are looking for are assurance that all those guilty of match manipulation receive severe punishment, not just some people picked and chosen. If discipline is going to mean anything it has to be unilateral and have teeth. Seeing folks who ruin the game mode for the honest players and then laugh at them and also spit in you (ANet's ) faces due to very weak penalties causes people to have no faith in the company or its statements.

    This game mode is a complete and total mess. A little real transparency would a long way to regaining trust. That and on going STRONG efforts to police the game mode and clean up the rampant out of control cheating and hacking that goes on every day.

    Obscuring parts of the story only destroy any credibility that still exists.

  • OutOfOrder.3719OutOfOrder.3719 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 15, 2018

    Ben, please ban players that use the speed hack. It's an unfair advantage for cheaters that has compromised the integrity of the PvP community.

    It ruins the game for honest players and prevents GW2 being taken seriously by e-sports or other pro leagues communities.

    It's time to take action and stop pretending it isn't happening. Gold and gem sales will increase overall due to the good will created from banning all forms of botting or hackers in this game. This issue can only help your bottom line and generate more revenue.

  • @Greener.6204 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    Well, we can provide proof by giving you a few years of dishonour and you can learn how the timer rolls over in weird ways. If you agree that if I'm telling the truth, I can leave it there. ;)

    The bug is not "sudden." It's always been there. It not the type of bug people are going to post about and one we're in too big of a hurry to fix, given the small number of people affected.

    Open threats are not the best way to relate with your customers. Threatening to do something amazingly heavy handed and unwarranted when someone doesn't agree with you or believe your statements is in very poor taste. I haven't broken any rules or violated the TOS in the incredible ways the offenders discussed here have who have received much, much less...

    Anyhow, have a nice day.

    That wasn't a threat. It was a joke as seen by a) how ridiculous it would be for an employee to react in such an overblown manner, and b) the winking smiley face at the end of the comment which acts as a symbol for "this is a joke".

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    It’s not the big issue that gets me. It’s how, after it’s already been publicly announced, that you respond by saying you won’t comment on someone’s specific amount. It’s a yes so and so revieved X amount of dishonor or no they did not. If it’s no they didn’t and now there’s a “bug” then that’s the issue. If they recieved the three months like they were supposed to there’s no need to not comment.

    Purposefully not commenting on an individual's situation on a public forum is standard practice for companies; there is generally nothing to gain but a lot to lose. You wishing it wasn't so won't change the practice. You've been given all the information you need to come to a general understanding of the situation. There is no reason for you to know specifically what's going on with another person's account.

    Except they already have. We know how recieved dishonor when the leaderboards has multiple people removed. Then they post on an open forum what happened to them. The door is there and standing wide open. While it is a concern it’s not the main issue. The main issues are one it’s beem allowed to go on for as long as it did and they just know recieve punishment, that they only hit on the high points for win trading, that there’s still no word on what’s being done for speed hacks and that people are still speed hacking.

    If you’re going to address one you have to address the others as well. And if there is such a bug it’s the first I’ve heard about and it’s just now being stated it’s there.

  • Blackdagger.9670Blackdagger.9670 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Blackdagger.9670 said:
    let's make an official list guys,

    who were these wintraders? lets start giving some names, that will be the best punishment for them if we publicly shame them.

    let the shame walk begin!

    Dude you sound like you're 12.
    No one is going to care if you put them on display.
    You're giving them publicity.
    That's what they are known for, and that's why they do what they do.

    Actually, all I see in this thread is; people complaining heavlily about ineffectiveness of 3 months dishonor.
    So, we know that some of these Wintraders even have youtube channels and they are trying to attract players into their channels by putting game play videos constantly. Therefore, its clear that they care reputation. Why not destroying it?

    Their goal is to obtain High tier PvP titles just to impress people, and earning respect over the pvp community. Creating a black list in this manner would hurt their "name" for sure.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Whats the dill with all the wind traitors anywho? Is that like peace code for passing rectal vapors?

  • Azure The Heartless.3261Azure The Heartless.3261 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2018

    Couple things.

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    careful investigation

    Appreciate it.

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Dishonor for a period of three months. We will continue to monitor the game for incidents of this sort, and will take action on other accounts as the situation warrants it.

    @Toron.4856 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:
    You should consider permanent dishonor instead so these players never get to set foot in pvp

    you should really permadishonor those people. seriously. those people ruin the pvp experience for the entire community. do u think they will stop after this season? i doubt it.

    See above. They exploited game mechanics and ruined a lot of matches for a lot of legitimate people. That doesn't warrant a ban from the game, but a ban from pvp absolutely.

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    Perma bans dont work. people just get new accounts ips etc... Temporary bans are more effective. The psychological punishment is way harder. Additionally people who got cought wintrading are easier to track than if they create alt accounts. Furthermore they will be more carefull with breaking rules since they can expecct harssher punishments if they geet cought again.

    To the angry mob ranging about harder punishment: It is not about the punishment it is about creating a more healthy game environmeent which is better achieved by temporary bans than by perma bans. So next time try to think alittle before you start the rage.. because maybe game deveelopers have a little more experience and knowledge when it comes to developing and managing a game than YOU!

    I'd personally be more psychologically punished if my main account was permanently flagged with dishonor. Consider that wintraders ruined the pvp experience for potentially hundreds of people to have their name placed on a leaderboard. Most of us arent talking about a perm ban from the game, just an inability to ever PVP on that account. That being said, you have some points. its easier to weed out people who are hellbent on ruining the ranked experience vs people who just think doing it goes unpunished with temporary bans, so perhaps it's reasonable for now. I only say so tentatively though. I'd be fine with them getting more.

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Sorry if my humor was unclear! Though, getting lot of dishonour really would be the only way I can prove to you that UI bug exists if you're not willing to take my word for it.

    I think in essence what many others and myself are looking for are assurance that all those guilty of match manipulation receive severe punishment, not just some people picked and chosen. If discipline is going to mean anything it has to be unilateral and have teeth. Seeing folks who ruin the game mode for the honest players and then laugh at them and also spit in you (ANet's ) faces due to very weak penalties causes people to have no faith in the company or its statements.

    This game mode is a complete and total mess. A little real transparency would a long way to regaining trust. That and on going STRONG efforts to police the game mode and clean up the rampant out of control cheating and hacking that goes on every day.

    Obscuring parts of the story only destroy any credibility that still exists.

    I don't agree with the chilly response to what is obviously an attempt at humor, but Devilman's intent is correct. If we're going to punish people for ruining the PVP experience and stomping on an already dying game mode, the punishment needs to be visible and discouraging enough that people don't continue their toxic behavior if released,. If they are released at all.

    and if you are able to give -years- of dishonor, making wintraders sit out for four seasons sounds wonderful.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • zoopop.5630zoopop.5630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Azure The Heartless.3261 said:
    Couple things.

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    careful investigation

    Appreciate it.

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Dishonor for a period of three months. We will continue to monitor the game for incidents of this sort, and will take action on other accounts as the situation warrants it.

    @Toron.4856 said:

    @bluri.2653 said:
    You should consider permanent dishonor instead so these players never get to set foot in pvp

    you should really permadishonor those people. seriously. those people ruin the pvp experience for the entire community. do u think they will stop after this season? i doubt it.

    See above. They exploited game mechanics and ruined a lot of matches for a lot of legitimate people. That doesn't warrant a ban from the game, but a ban from pvp absolutely.

    @Ghostof Luzifer.6159 said:

    Perma bans dont work. people just get new accounts ips etc... Temporary bans are more effective. The psychological punishment is way harder. Additionally people who got cought wintrading are easier to track than if they create alt accounts. Furthermore they will be more carefull with breaking rules since they can expecct harssher punishments if they geet cought again.

    To the angry mob ranging about harder punishment: It is not about the punishment it is about creating a more healthy game environmeent which is better achieved by temporary bans than by perma bans. So next time try to think alittle before you start the rage.. because maybe game deveelopers have a little more experience and knowledge when it comes to developing and managing a game than YOU!

    I'd personally be more psychologically punished if my main account was permanently flagged with dishonor. Consider that wintraders ruined the pvp experience for potentially hundreds of people to have their name placed on a leaderboard. Most of us arent talking about a perm ban from the game, just an inability to ever PVP on that account. That being said, you have some points. its easier to weed out people who are hellbent on ruining the ranked experience vs people who just think doing it goes unpunished with temporary bans, so perhaps it's reasonable for now. I only say so tentatively though. I'd be fine with them getting more.

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Sorry if my humor was unclear! Though, getting lot of dishonour really would be the only way I can prove to you that UI bug exists if you're not willing to take my word for it.

    I think in essence what many others and myself are looking for are assurance that all those guilty of match manipulation receive severe punishment, not just some people picked and chosen. If discipline is going to mean anything it has to be unilateral and have teeth. Seeing folks who ruin the game mode for the honest players and then laugh at them and also spit in you (ANet's ) faces due to very weak penalties causes people to have no faith in the company or its statements.

    This game mode is a complete and total mess. A little real transparency would a long way to regaining trust. That and on going STRONG efforts to police the game mode and clean up the rampant out of control cheating and hacking that goes on every day.

    Obscuring parts of the story only destroy any credibility that still exists.

    I don't agree with the chilly response to what is obviously an attempt at humor, but Devilman's intent is correct. If we're going to punish people for ruining the PVP experience and stomping on an already dying game mode, the punishment needs to be visible and discouraging enough that people don't continue their toxic behavior if released,. If they are released at all.

    and if you are able to give -years- of dishonor, making wintraders sit out for four seasons sounds wonderful.

    I Second this.....

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    Open threats are not the best way to relate with your customers. Threatening to do something amazingly heavy handed and unwarranted when someone doesn't agree with you or believe your statements is in very poor taste. I haven't broken any rules or violated the TOS in the incredible ways the offenders discussed here have who have received much, much less...

    Anyhow, have a nice day.

    Jesus,..man, get yourself together...

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • Itz Jay.8941Itz Jay.8941 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Devilman.1532 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    I'm not going to comment on anyone's specific amount of dishonor. But a general thing to know is that we have a UI bug that happens when someone has an exceptionally large amount of dishonor. In short, any screenshot for someone with large amounts of dishonor is not reliable.

    Sorry, not buying what you are selling here. Suddenly there is a "UI bug" when someone has a large amount of dishonor and now the screenshots people are putting up are "unreliable"? How convenient...

    Well, we can provide proof by giving you a few years of dishonour and you can learn how the timer rolls over in weird ways. If you agree that if I'm telling the truth, I can leave it there. ;)

    The bug is not "sudden." It's always been there. It not the type of bug people are going to post about and one we're in too big of a hurry to fix, given the small number of people affected.

    Careful you might get banned from the forums. I made a comment which I intended to be funny in the forums once, not nearly as dark as yours, I was warned by a forum moderator! Gotta watch out for those guys!

    In seriousness through if your reasoning behind the 3 month ban is in favour of moderating them more easily then I can understand it. I also know that I've said some salty stuff I have come to regret when I've been tilted in sPvP in the past, and I'd hate to be perma banned for that. I understand win trading is different in it being completely intentional though.

  • Ziooo.8932Ziooo.8932 Member ✭✭✭

    Ty! Might give pvp a try next season. But cant help but wonder: Why not perma dishonor? Have they lost their past rewards? Are they unable to queue AT's as well? What about alts?

    You have to make sure these people are "well locked", they did enough harm to the game, gamemode and community to deserve that.

    Necro mains either are masochists or become masochists after a balance patch.

  • bLind.6278bLind.6278 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ziooo.8932 said:
    Ty! Might give pvp a try next season. But cant help but wonder: Why not perma dishonor? Have they lost their past rewards? Are they unable to queue AT's as well? What about alts?

    You have to make sure these people are "well locked", they did enough harm to the game, gamemode and community to deserve that.

    Because they're big names and Anet would literally stand to lose more by them no longer being content creators than letting them sit in a 3 month time out.

    There's a 95% chance I'll be warned for this post, regardless of what it says.

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