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  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Neutra.6857 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:
    I think some people need a crash course in 'normal gameplay' and it ain't me :)

    It really is you.

    I really think it isn't.

    I enjoy farming mats from time to time as much as the next person... but not with an army of drones while making an area unplayable for others. I've played enough RPG's over the years to know what is normal and what isn't.

    This type of brute forcing isn't something ive encountered in this game yet either... certainly not in that area and not with a clump of Necro's. And i come there often with different characters especially because of the nice way that area works.

    Anet not beeing able to deal with it isn't news either. It's the same for other MMO's out there. And they all slowly change mechanics without 'rocking the boat' too hard.

    Doesn't mean they are happy with it and also doesn't mean we all need to shut up. The more negative attention it gets the higher it comes on the priority list.... just like everything else in the world. And doing nothing is never an option.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    it is just that people are not playing the way you want them to play.

    Sure...you go right ahead and believe that.

    spawn killing has happend since the dawn of time.

    and what you consider ''normal'' is abnormal by others

    there is no ''normal'' way to play there is only playing

  • Vash.2386Vash.2386 Member ✭✭✭

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    I really think it isn't.

    I enjoy farming mats from time to time as much as the next person... but not with an army of drones while making an area unplayable for others. I've played enough RPG's over the years to know what is normal and what isn't.

    This type of brute forcing isn't something ive encountered in this game yet either... certainly not in that area and not with a clump of Necro's. And i come there often with different characters especially because of the nice way that area works.

    I guess the OP has never been in a map when it's the daily event completer. Try getting a hit on one of the mobs when there is an "army of drones" (ie other players) making tagging a mob nearly impossible as they all die before you can get a hit in., or someone coming in on their mount to a low level map, killing all the mobs with his 1 dismount skill. Maybe you should report that to anet too.

  • Yamazuki.6073Yamazuki.6073 Member ✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Zedek.8932 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

    I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

    Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

    Excelsior.
    That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

    Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

    Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    Nonono. Have you ever tried to hit low level mobs when theres 3-4 engies, full turrets and everything around? You can't. You just cant.

    A single person can instantly kill low level mobs, do we now permanently ban random people for "blocking" the op's enjoyment because they're 1 shotting mobs in a corner of the map? If someone got there first and you can't get credit for anything, go somewhere else. Complaining someone else is 1 shotting low level mobs before you can is extremely silly.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yamazuki.6073 said:
    Complaining someone else is 1 shotting low level mobs before you can is extremely silly.

    Oww... luckily i didn't make a thread about that... pheww ;)

    @Vash.2386 said:
    I guess the OP has never been in a map when it's the daily event completer.

    He has... and no it has nothing to do with the Daily zerg.... not even remotely.

  • Trae.2384Trae.2384 Member ✭✭✭

    @Abakk.9176 said:
    One or more Necro's/Engineers botting some area with fast spawning mobs are really starting to get on my nerves. They block off area's where mobs spawn and where it used to be fun to defend against- or fight small waves of mobs.

    Can't there be some mechanic added to minions that despawns them after a period of time of inactivity by the player character? Or at least something like that? Or just log off the character from the game after some inactivity like in any other game.

    You see them everywhere these days, it's running rampant.

    EDIT: [ for those that think this is about AFK farming: ]

    Some of my favorite fighting spots are unusable because the mobs are beeing killed at the spawnpoint. So it's not about the KILLRIGHTS or about the MATERIALS but about ATTACKING, DODGING, and FIGHTING mobs.

    All the suggestions are already in place but they are using auto clicking software to press keys for them so the game cant tell that its not a human pressing them. Just sit there and watch one for a few minutes and you can see them do some kind of animation every minute to the second, some are so blatant that they are just autoattacking mid air in high traffic spots like ember bay. This is rampant everywhere but certainly not a new problem. I had my rant about this a few months ago and sent screenshots of the same guys every day to support and the very next day same guy same spot. Try and move on because there doesnt seem to be a way for them to get a handle on this. I cant imagine they are ignoring all these reports, screenshots and forum posts so its probably very difficult to detect these types of maggots feasting. On the bright side it does keep ceretain mat prices in check id imagine so that benefits legitimate players who actually buy them.

  • Nick Lentz.6982Nick Lentz.6982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @Nick Lentz.6982 said:

    @Galaa.8475 said:
    "slowly ruining the game", "running rampant", "slowly wrecking the game", frigging really? dramatic much?. This has such a minuscule effect on anything. Most of them are just farming Xp. I'm all over the maps daily. I hardly ever see them. maybe one every few maps. Anyway, just chill and play your game. Anet has already ruled on this and you're wasting your time reporting it. its a nothing burger. move on, nothing to see here.

    Seriously this.
    It has zero effect on your game play. I feel like people keep making these threads for the sake of it. It doesn't stop you from enjoying 99.999999999% if the rest of the game. It has little to no effect on the market.
    Just do you, man.

    Oh how utterly wrong you are.. or you have no understanding of how the economy works

    Okay, great economic advisor, what is afk farming destroying? Because all I ever see is keyboard smash ITS DESTROYING ECONOMY. But no one ever says what.

    Vinnorin Almar, Firebrand of Maguuma.
    I Crit Under Pressure is recruiting, message me for an invite ^_^

  • mauried.5608mauried.5608 Member ✭✭✭

    The phrase "destroying the economy" gets thrown around a lot , and what it usually means is that the economy has changed in some way that now disadvantages me.
    Me being someone who is used to selling stuff for lots of gold and suddenly finds that the stuff is now worth not much at all or nothing.
    When TP prices go down its tuff for sellers and fantastic for buyers but it is not destroying the economy.
    The TP isnt some form of cartel where the prices of everything remain static forever.

  • Neutra.6857Neutra.6857 Member ✭✭✭

    Except this person has said they do not care about the economy part of this. To them if people were actively playing by killing mobs at the spawn point their game would equally be ruined.

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    Except this person has said they do not care about the economy part of this. To them if people were actively playing by killing mobs at the spawn point their game would equally be ruined.

    With the same argument, one could claim that farm bots do no harm because if those were people actively playing the game, they would cause the same effect.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    Except this person has said they do not care about the economy part of this. To them if people were actively playing by killing mobs at the spawn point their game would equally be ruined.

    Hey, i understand why this gets downplayed by people so vigerously. I see the financial picture behind it and i also realise that there are people invested with many accounts and setups. I too think that it is important that those guys get rooted out.

    But in this specific case, with GW2's specific way of spawning in npc's it not only has an impact on the financial side but also on the gameplay side of things.

    And that's where i became irritated... and decided to make some effort of getting on the forum with it.

    I really don't care if it gets downplayed and ridiculed by those that feel the burn in their (virtual?) pockets. In fact, i welcome it :)

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Abakk.9176 said:
    I don't want the place 'for myself'. In fact, i want it to be freed up so everyone can enjoy it as it was supposed to.

    The dynamic of the place is that a small group of bandits stay around the campfire and 3 more guard the entrance to the enclosure. When you pull the guards and come too close they all come running out and you die if you don't run. But if you do it more carefully you can pull the first three and slowly work your way in. The mobs keep spawning however and you run a risk of getting overwhelmed and killed.

    During it all there is also a small patrol that comes by every x minutes that attack you from behind if you don't pay notice.

    It's quite impossible to 'steal' when you are playing like that and others can always join the fray. And i don't mean just tagging mobs and looting but actually battling.

    But ofcourse when there are 3 Necro's and 12 minions camping the spawnpoint inside, the place is dead. And we are not talking minutes here but hours on end and THREE DAYS in a row so far.

    I still couldn't find out where exactly that is, but I heard something about Queensdale? Please verify. I can't imagine that you can die be cause of three bandits in vanilla Tyria content. They are so weak and die within seconds. I usually go 1 vs 6- enemies in vanilla content be cause they die so fast and if you go down you rally anyway.

  • Neutra.6857Neutra.6857 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    Except this person has said they do not care about the economy part of this. To them if people were actively playing by killing mobs at the spawn point their game would equally be ruined.

    Hey, i understand why this gets downplayed by people so vigerously. I see the financial picture behind it and i also realise that there are people invested with many accounts and setups. I too think that it is important that those guys get rooted out.

    But in this specific case, with GW2's specific way of spawning in npc's it not only has an impact on the financial side but also on the gameplay side of things.

    And that's where i became irritated... and decided to make some effort of getting on the forum with it.

    I really don't care if it gets downplayed and ridiculed by those that feel the burn in their (virtual?) pockets. In fact, i welcome it :)

    Was your last statement supposed to be a jab? True this effects the economy, lowering prices. I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing. As to the gameplay side, seems to me that your complaint would get in the way these people decide to play the game. As far as they are concerned you are the gameplay problem. You could kill things with them, you decided instead to complain about the fact that they kill at spawn. You could roleplay what they are doing, you instead decided to complain about how they are playing the game. What you are complaining about is little different to high level players in low level zones one-shotting mobs, or large numbers of active players killing mobs before you get there.

  • FyzE.3472FyzE.3472 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nick Lentz.6982 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @Nick Lentz.6982 said:

    @Galaa.8475 said:
    "slowly ruining the game", "running rampant", "slowly wrecking the game", frigging really? dramatic much?. This has such a minuscule effect on anything. Most of them are just farming Xp. I'm all over the maps daily. I hardly ever see them. maybe one every few maps. Anyway, just chill and play your game. Anet has already ruled on this and you're wasting your time reporting it. its a nothing burger. move on, nothing to see here.

    Seriously this.
    It has zero effect on your game play. I feel like people keep making these threads for the sake of it. It doesn't stop you from enjoying 99.999999999% if the rest of the game. It has little to no effect on the market.
    Just do you, man.

    Oh how utterly wrong you are.. or you have no understanding of how the economy works

    Okay, great economic advisor, what is afk farming destroying? Because all I ever see is keyboard smash ITS DESTROYING ECONOMY. But no one ever says what.

    Everything! Everything destroys economy! Even economy itself destroys economy!

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Neutra.6857 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    Except this person has said they do not care about the economy part of this. To them if people were actively playing by killing mobs at the spawn point their game would equally be ruined.

    Hey, i understand why this gets downplayed by people so vigerously. I see the financial picture behind it and i also realise that there are people invested with many accounts and setups. I too think that it is important that those guys get rooted out.

    But in this specific case, with GW2's specific way of spawning in npc's it not only has an impact on the financial side but also on the gameplay side of things.

    And that's where i became irritated... and decided to make some effort of getting on the forum with it.

    I really don't care if it gets downplayed and ridiculed by those that feel the burn in their (virtual?) pockets. In fact, i welcome it :)

    Was your last statement supposed to be a jab?

    No it was an expression of my appreciation.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    True this effects the economy, lowering prices. I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing.

    It does but that wasn't even what i meant when i mentioned the financial part.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    As to the gameplay side, seems to me that your complaint would get in the way these people decide to play the game. As far as they are concerned you are the gameplay problem.

    Yeah right, they don't even play the game... they play Anet. But it's another fine example of people trying to turn this around and make normal players look like the 'wrongdoers'.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    You could kill things with them, you decided instead to complain about the fact that they kill at spawn.

    No i can't. I am playing the game and they are playing Anet. It doesn't mix. They farm at spawn with a dozen minions and im in the field where the normal gameplay is supposed to happen...

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    You could roleplay what they are doing, you instead decided to complain about how they are playing the game.

    Oh please... you clearly have no idea of the situation at this location i mentioned. If you had you would realise how incredibly OFF your roleplay suggestion is.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    What you are complaining about is little different to high level players in low level zones one-shotting mobs, or large numbers of active players killing mobs before you get there.

    No, it isn't by a longshot. It's apples and pears you are comparing. So this is another example that you are passing judgement on something on which you have zero insight.

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Neutra.6857 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    Except this person has said they do not care about the economy part of this. To them if people were actively playing by killing mobs at the spawn point their game would equally be ruined.

    Hey, i understand why this gets downplayed by people so vigerously. I see the financial picture behind it and i also realise that there are people invested with many accounts and setups. I too think that it is important that those guys get rooted out.

    But in this specific case, with GW2's specific way of spawning in npc's it not only has an impact on the financial side but also on the gameplay side of things.

    And that's where i became irritated... and decided to make some effort of getting on the forum with it.

    I really don't care if it gets downplayed and ridiculed by those that feel the burn in their (virtual?) pockets. In fact, i welcome it :)

    Was your last statement supposed to be a jab?

    No it was an expression of my appreciation.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    True this effects the economy, lowering prices. I do not necessarily see this as a bad thing.

    It does but that wasn't even what i meant when i mentioned the financial part.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    As to the gameplay side, seems to me that your complaint would get in the way these people decide to play the game. As far as they are concerned you are the gameplay problem.

    Yeah right, they don't even play the game... they play Anet. But it's another fine example of people trying to turn this around and make normal players look like the 'wrongdoers'.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    You could kill things with them, you decided instead to complain about the fact that they kill at spawn.

    No i can't. I am playing the game and they are playing Anet. It doesn't mix. They farm at spawn with a dozen minions and im in the field where the normal gameplay is supposed to happen...

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    You could roleplay what they are doing, you instead decided to complain about how they are playing the game.

    Oh please... you clearly have no idea of the situation at this location i mentioned. If you had you would realise how incredibly OFF your roleplay suggestion is.

    @Neutra.6857 said:
    What you are complaining about is little different to high level players in low level zones one-shotting mobs, or large numbers of active players killing mobs before you get there.

    No, it isn't by a longshot. It's apples and pears you are comparing. So this is another example that you are passing judgement on something on which you have zero insight.

    you keep throwing the phrase ''normal'' around

    what is normal for once that question first

    it has long since stopped being about botters or whatever its has now already been into a discussion about you feel is normal

    WHAT IS NORMAL behaviour
    killing mobs is normal?

    then what they are doing is normal

  • Diak Atoli.2085Diak Atoli.2085 Member ✭✭✭

    Hmm. I can not tell if this is a Troll or not. Interesting... Well played, sir. Very well played. Golfclaps.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @infrequentia.3465 said:
    you keep throwing the phrase ''normal'' around

    what is normal for once that question first

    it has long since stopped being about botters or whatever its has now already been into a discussion about you feel is normal

    WHAT IS NORMAL behaviour
    killing mobs is normal?

    then what they are doing is normal

    If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say.

    In a case where 3 clumped up Necro's and 12 minions effectively remove a small piece of content from the map, opposed to players that are unable to do that content because its been gone for at least... 3 days in a row!!

    What do YOU think is normal? ;)

    *HINT: It has nothing to do with killing mobs.

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:
    you keep throwing the phrase ''normal'' around

    what is normal for once that question first

    it has long since stopped being about botters or whatever its has now already been into a discussion about you feel is normal

    WHAT IS NORMAL behaviour
    killing mobs is normal?

    then what they are doing is normal

    If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say.

    In a case where 3 clumped up Necro's and 12 minions effectively remove a small piece of content from the map, opposed to players that are unable to do that content because its been gone for at least... 3 days in a row!!

    What do YOU think is normal? ;)

    so you are not gonna answer what normal is

    killing monsters seems normal

    and they are doing that

    playing a class seems normal
    they are doing that

    so what do YOU think is normal

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:
    you keep throwing the phrase ''normal'' around

    what is normal for once that question first

    it has long since stopped being about botters or whatever its has now already been into a discussion about you feel is normal

    WHAT IS NORMAL behaviour
    killing mobs is normal?

    then what they are doing is normal

    If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say.

    In a case where 3 clumped up Necro's and 12 minions effectively remove a small piece of content from the map, opposed to players that are unable to do that content because its been gone for at least... 3 days in a row!!

    What do YOU think is normal? ;)

    so you are not gonna answer what normal is

    killing monsters seems normal

    and they are doing that

    playing a class seems normal
    they are doing that

    so what do YOU think is normal

    Im pretty sure i answered your question :)

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:
    you keep throwing the phrase ''normal'' around

    what is normal for once that question first

    it has long since stopped being about botters or whatever its has now already been into a discussion about you feel is normal

    WHAT IS NORMAL behaviour
    killing mobs is normal?

    then what they are doing is normal

    If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say.

    In a case where 3 clumped up Necro's and 12 minions effectively remove a small piece of content from the map, opposed to players that are unable to do that content because its been gone for at least... 3 days in a row!!

    What do YOU think is normal? ;)

    so you are not gonna answer what normal is

    killing monsters seems normal

    and they are doing that

    playing a class seems normal
    they are doing that

    so what do YOU think is normal

    Im pretty sure i answered your question :)

    you did not .
    ''If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say''
    is not a answer its evasive, its a ''answer'' given when people don't know the answer or can't answer it.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:
    you keep throwing the phrase ''normal'' around

    what is normal for once that question first

    it has long since stopped being about botters or whatever its has now already been into a discussion about you feel is normal

    WHAT IS NORMAL behaviour
    killing mobs is normal?

    then what they are doing is normal

    If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say.

    In a case where 3 clumped up Necro's and 12 minions effectively remove a small piece of content from the map, opposed to players that are unable to do that content because its been gone for at least... 3 days in a row!!

    What do YOU think is normal? ;)

    so you are not gonna answer what normal is

    killing monsters seems normal

    and they are doing that

    playing a class seems normal
    they are doing that

    so what do YOU think is normal

    Im pretty sure i answered your question :)

    you did not .
    ''If you need help to determine what is normal i don't really know what to say''
    is not a answer its evasive, its a ''answer'' given when people don't know the answer or can't answer it.

    You'll never get an answer to anything if all you do is read only the first line of everything.

    Also, this thread has more than enough information for you to determine what my stance is on 'normal gameplay', but you should be able to extract that from my answer to you as well.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.

    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly bothers me as someone who loves this game but others seem perfectly fine with it.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Oh, I remember the bots we used to see. Farming anything that dropped cores such as Air Elementals. Doesn't really change anything here, though. Hidden bots are still bots and well hidden players using macros are still players using macros. They do throw a bad light on the game as soon as a newbie randomly stumbles upon them when they wander off to explore the map which quite a few might do given world completion and all.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

    1 player ( you)
    vs 3 players ( the 3 necros)

    are you in the majority or minority?

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

    1 player ( you)
    vs 3 players ( the 3 necros)

    are you in the majority or minority?

    It's not me against them (even though that would still put ME in the right) but normal gameplay against GUILD FARM 2.

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

    1 player ( you)
    vs 3 players ( the 3 necros)

    are you in the majority or minority?

    It's not me against them (although that would still put ME in the right) but normal gameplay against GUILD FARM 2.

    but how are you in the RIGHT if they aren't the WRONG.

    they are only in the WRONG by your standards of NORMAL gameplay

    and so we come back to normal gameplay again
    what is normal gameplay then.

    Guildwars 2 is made and played by...
    PLAY HOW YOU WANT.
    NOT PLAY HOW @Abakk.9176 wants

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

    1 player ( you)
    vs 3 players ( the 3 necros)

    are you in the majority or minority?

    It's not me against them (although that would still put ME in the right) but normal gameplay against GUILD FARM 2.

    but how are you in the RIGHT if they aren't the WRONG.

    they are only in the WRONG by your standards of NORMAL gameplay

    and so we come back to normal gameplay again
    what is normal gameplay then.

    Definitely not a clump of bot farmers ruining the game for others.

  • @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

    1 player ( you)
    vs 3 players ( the 3 necros)

    are you in the majority or minority?

    It's not me against them (although that would still put ME in the right) but normal gameplay against GUILD FARM 2.

    but how are you in the RIGHT if they aren't the WRONG.

    they are only in the WRONG by your standards of NORMAL gameplay

    and so we come back to normal gameplay again
    what is normal gameplay then.

    Definitely not a clump of bot farmers ruining the game for others.

    ruining it for you
    by the looks of most people in this thread not for others

    they want to play it their way and are allowed to do so

    they are also in majority in this case and only 1 person so far has problems with them being there and killing them

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    Pardon me but it's 3 Necro's and 12 minions effectively removing a part of the content for the rest of the players.

    It's bad gaming, no matter how fiercely its beeing downplayed by the farming-lobby.

    oh excuse me

    3 necro's sitting a corner of the map killing things
    while the op wants to play hero and run around dodging and hitting things

    its really bad gaming if muh minority can't run and dodge and hit things

    Guild Wars 2 ... just as any other MMORPG out there, is DESIGNED around running around as a hero killing stuff. And im pretty certain we are NOT 'muh minority' ... YET!

    1 player ( you)
    vs 3 players ( the 3 necros)

    are you in the majority or minority?

    It's not me against them (although that would still put ME in the right) but normal gameplay against GUILD FARM 2.

    but how are you in the RIGHT if they aren't the WRONG.

    they are only in the WRONG by your standards of NORMAL gameplay

    and so we come back to normal gameplay again
    what is normal gameplay then.

    Definitely not a clump of bot farmers ruining the game for others.

    ruining it for you
    by the looks of most people in this thread not for others

    they want to play it their way and are allowed to do so

    they are also in majority in this case and only 1 person so far has problems with them being there and killing them

    Right or wrong has nothing to do with minority/majority.

    But for now it seems they have dissapeared. So case closed until the next nest of gamewreckers.

    Cheers! :)

  • Yamazuki.6073Yamazuki.6073 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Yamazuki.6073 said:
    Complaining someone else is 1 shotting low level mobs before you can is extremely silly.

    Oww... luckily i didn't make a thread about that... pheww ;)

    Person I was responding to said that, however, if you insists on a response too:
    "Some of my favorite fighting spots are unusable because the mobs are beeing killed at the spawnpoint. So it's not about the KILLRIGHTS or about the MATERIALS but about ATTACKING, DODGING, and FIGHTING mobs."

    This is what your original post said. You're complaining about mobs being killed too quickly, which would happen regardless of whether they bot, afk farm, or what ever. You used "botters" as a scapegoat to try and get someone to "agree" with you, even though in reality they don't actually agree with you...

    I would have to say this takes the statement "First world problems" to an entirely new level. I suppose it's never really an official game forum without some joke topics.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Yamazuki.6073 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Yamazuki.6073 said:
    Complaining someone else is 1 shotting low level mobs before you can is extremely silly.

    Oww... luckily i didn't make a thread about that... pheww ;)

    Person I was responding to said that, however, if you insists on a response too:
    "Some of my favorite fighting spots are unusable because the mobs are beeing killed at the spawnpoint. So it's not about the KILLRIGHTS or about the MATERIALS but about ATTACKING, DODGING, and FIGHTING mobs."

    This is what your original post said. You're complaining about mobs being killed too quickly, which would happen regardless of whether they bot, afk farm, or what ever. You used "botters" as a scapegoat to try and get someone to "agree" with you, even though in reality they don't actually agree with you...

    I would have to say this takes the statement "First world problems" to an entirely new level. I suppose it's never really an official game forum without some joke topics.

    Sorry but im not complaining about mobs beeing killed too quickly. I was pretty clear in my OP i think.

    It's not my fault people only see what they want to see. I've even explained a few times over but seemingly to no avail.

    And in your post you were referring to my OP... so my reply was entirely appropriate :)

  • Galaa.8475Galaa.8475 Member ✭✭✭

    @Diak Atoli.2085 said:
    Hmm. I can not tell if this is a Troll or not. Interesting... Well played, sir. Very well played. Golfclaps.

    been thinking the same thing all along. but what the heck. its fun, even got a warning out of it. somebody needs to give him his ball so he can go home. or tell him he's right so he will shut up. :p:)=)<3:3

  • Iozeph.5617Iozeph.5617 Member ✭✭✭

    @Abakk.9176 said:
    One or more Necro's/Engineers botting some area with fast spawning mobs are really starting to get on my nerves. They block off area's where mobs spawn and where it used to be fun to defend against- or fight small waves of mobs.

    Can't there be some mechanic added to minions that despawns them after a period of time of inactivity by the player character? Or at least something like that? Or just log off the character from the game after some inactivity like in any other game.

    You see them everywhere these days, it's running rampant.

    EDIT: [ for those that think this is about AFK farming: ]

    Some of my favorite fighting spots are unusable because the mobs are beeing killed at the spawnpoint. So it's not about the KILLRIGHTS or about the MATERIALS but about ATTACKING, DODGING, and FIGHTING mobs.

    I had to check if this was another sort of 'necro' thread. I honestly did. I was following well til I saw Engineers.

    As for the necromancer class. Don't care. Don't play one. But back to Engineers.

    Engineers? Truly? What- all twenty that are still actively playing? In 2018 this is what's giving you such a hard time in GW2? I could understand this if it was back in the days when our turrets were still worth even half a kitten, but now? And even if they're attempting to farm spawn points I say pity them. They're hurting their own gaming experience probably more than yours as they're absolute rubbish at farming. Even so, mobs are such now that you only have to go over the next hill to find even more of them. But never mind that -back to Engineers and pity.

    Engineers are just about the worst in every game mode now and now you're upset at someone trying to farm using one. 1) They're probably getting rubbish for loot. 2) anything they break and attempt to sell is worth next to nothing now on the BLE for the purposes of quickly dumping it for a dubious profit(thank you griffons). 3) I still laugh at the notion of farming and if any bit of this is true then you needn't worry as anything even remotely profitable in GW2 for making gold of any sort gets nerfed into the ground right quick. and 4) What makes your post stink is that you never give any specific farming locations this just seems to be a thinly disguised, 'nerf this profession because...this,' thread. 5) And even if it isn't a 'nerf this profession' thread it's most certainly a, 'Someone isn't playing the way I want them to, please stop them,' thread, which in some ways is even worse.

    So yeah. Leave Engineers, the mentally challenged cousins of just about every Engineer class/subclass in every single other game that actually gets them right(not GW2 though) alone, thanks.

    ... No. NO, I've been staring at this post for a while before actually posting it and I'm still sort of marveling over this. Way to kick a profession when it's down. When it's been perennially down and kicked, and kicked, and kicked some more. I just don't understand this.

  • @Iozeph.5617 said:
    I had to check if this was another sort of 'necro' thread. I honestly did. I was following well til I saw Engineers.
    [...]
    ... No. NO, I've been staring at this post for a while before actually posting it and I'm still sort of marveling over this. Way to kick a profession when it's down. When it's been perennially down and kicked, and kicked, and kicked some more. I just don't understand this.

    I loved my little engi. But she had to die -> Lake Doric hysteria :'(

    Don’t fight the other ants
    Fight the queens

  • Vova.2640Vova.2640 Member ✭✭✭

    This thread is too funny.
    A few afk farmers taking 2-3 mobs off the entire map are not going to ruin anything for anyone...
    Stop being so dramatic over a non-existing issue.

  • ZNICK.8537ZNICK.8537 Member ✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    What's the point of botting here? You can pay a few $ and hit 80... I've never seen a botter myself, or maybe I just don't notice.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    They were a problem for ANET then, just like the dry top afk bot /macro farms that were an issue for ANET then.. so why now are the masses of necro MM's and Engi turreters not a problem.. like many other things there is a double standard to how ANET act on their own ToS.
    But nice attempt at smoke screening the issue.
    We get it.. you don't care because either you simply don't care, or you don't care because it might add a voice to the discontent of ANET's ignorance to the issue and something might get done about it.. then you might care me thinks.

    I would hazard a guess all those naysayers in this thread are AFK farming some fast respawn mobs in game, so of course they would not or simply refuse to acknowledge the issue.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @infrequentia.3465 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    This one again, eh. The topic on the old forums had some hillarious explanations why this should be allowed. Remember someone said they log in multiple characters to help out their girlfriend who does not have enough time to keep up as if that is something to be admired...

    Quite frankly, I do not care about the influence on the economy, I do not care about them taking away spots from real players. I only have one real issue with this.
    It is nothing more and nothing less than the fact macro farming (for a use of a better term) is allowed to continue without any consequences in a AAA MMORPG.
    So, why is this a problem to me you might ask... Well, have you ever picked up a new game and the first thing you saw were waves of bots? Did you continue to play the game with the previous enthusiam or did it throw a bad light on the people in charge, them not even caring enough to do something about it? It certainly does for me.

    actually GW2 at launch was that

    BOOM another party of 10-40 BEAR RANGERS running around killing things

    now they are a in forgotten corner of the map way out of the way of where normal people would go

    except maybe the OP who apperently goes there to play hero and running around dodging things hitting things

    but can't because a necro is sitting there killing things

    They were a problem for ANET then, just like the dry top afk bot /macro farms that were an issue for ANET then.. so why now are the masses of necro MM's and Engi turreters not a problem.. like many other things there is a double standard to how ANET act on their own ToS.
    But nice attempt at smoke screening the issue.
    We get it.. you don't care because either you simply don't care, or you don't care because it might add a voice to the discontent of ANET's ignorance to the issue and something might get done about it.. then you might care me thinks.

    I would hazard a guess all those naysayers in this thread are AFK farming some fast respawn mobs in game, so of course they would not or simply refuse to acknowledge the issue.

    We don't know if the players the OP is "bothered" by were botters or not. We do know the OP is mad that someone was in "his" farming spot. He dislikes others farming where he likes to, and, he disagrees with the class mechanics of engineers and necros because he could not compete with them for killing the mobs. If the 3 necros were botting, than yes, good on OP for reporting them and getting them removed (if they were). BUT, people using minions or turrets to make farming mindless while they sit at their computer is NOT a problem and not against the ToS. Anet has explained what is ok and what isn't very clearly. There is nothing to dispute. Anet said what players can and can't do. If a toon is in 1 place 24 hours a day, 7 days a week...likely a bot...report it. But you are wasting Anet's time if you just run around reporting every player with a minion and turret out just because you dislike a core part of their class mechanics.

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  • Whereas I wouldn't go as far to say AFK farmers and botters are ruining my enjoyment, I think it's true to say that they have the potential to cause problems for legitimate players, especially when it comes to doing renown hearts near where AFK farmers/botters are located (The bottom right of the Iron Marches springs to mind).

    This issue wouldn't have been an issue had the devs been clear about it in the first place and not caused confusion about it when this first came about. This has been going on for a year to 18 months now. I think there needs to be a very loud and very clear message from ArenaNet that AFK Farming/Botting is not ok. Just simply saying unattended gameplay is against the ToS on the forums as they did a year to 18 months ago (after a rather confusing month of debate) will not cut it anymore.

    The message needs to be powerful if they are committed to stopping unattended gameplay.

  • mauried.5608mauried.5608 Member ✭✭✭

    This problem could be addressed instantly by Anet removing the auto attack feature which all players have.
    If unattended play is not permitted, then this feature has no place in the game , but everyone will complain if its removed.
    So Anet have in part created the problem themselves by the game design.
    The definition of AFK also needs to be clarified.
    How far away is away?
    Actively playing the game is also unclear as there is no definition of what playing the game means.
    eg is a player who spends most of their time standing in front of the TP buying and selling items but not moving playing the game?
    I do this a lot.

  • Ubi.4136Ubi.4136 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @penelopehannibal.8947 said:
    This issue wouldn't have been an issue had the devs been clear about it in the first place and not caused confusion about it when this first came about. This has been going on for a year to 18 months now. I think there needs to be a very loud and very clear message from ArenaNet that AFK Farming/Botting is not ok. Just simply saying unattended gameplay is against the ToS on the forums as they did a year to 18 months ago (after a rather confusing month of debate) will not cut it anymore.

    The message needs to be powerful if they are committed to stopping unattended gameplay.

    They have, and have clearly said what is ok and what isn't.

    Botting (third party program or macro)...not OK.
    Summoning minions/turrets to farm and going to sleep (or to work, or the store)...not OK.

    Setting up a necro with minions to farm for you while you sit at your computer and watch a movie/occasionally resummon them, talk to guildies, etc...OK.
    Same thing as above with engineer and turrets (they only last 3 minutes anyway) - place them, watch them kill stuff, resummon them...OK.
    As long as you don't have a third party tool/macro/program do that for you...IT IS OK.

    I don't understand why people don't comprehend this when Anet has clearly spelled out what is and isn't ok.

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  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2018

    @Ubi.4136 said:

    @penelopehannibal.8947 said:
    This issue wouldn't have been an issue had the devs been clear about it in the first place and not caused confusion about it when this first came about. This has been going on for a year to 18 months now. I think there needs to be a very loud and very clear message from ArenaNet that AFK Farming/Botting is not ok. Just simply saying unattended gameplay is against the ToS on the forums as they did a year to 18 months ago (after a rather confusing month of debate) will not cut it anymore.

    The message needs to be powerful if they are committed to stopping unattended gameplay.

    They have, and have clearly said what is ok and what isn't.

    Botting (third party program or macro)...not OK.
    Summoning minions/turrets to farm and going to sleep (or to work, or the store)...not OK.

    Setting up a necro with minions to farm for you while you sit at your computer and watch a movie/occasionally resummon them, talk to guildies, etc...OK.
    Same thing as above with engineer and turrets (they only last 3 minutes anyway) - place them, watch them kill stuff, resummon them...OK.
    As long as you don't have a third party tool/macro/program do that for you...IT IS OK.

    I don't understand why people don't comprehend this when Anet has clearly spelled out what is and isn't ok.

    We know what ANET "say".. seeing the same names in the same spot for months and months 24/7 is not "normal gameplay" or perhaps the film has taken a little longer than expected.
    Masses of turret and minions all in the same spot doing the exact auto attacking at the ground waiting for the respawns to cross line of fire all day everyday is not intended gameplay and is quite clearly a violation. Why do you think ANET jumped on it in dry top when it was going on.. sorry but no the problem is widespread across most maps now and has gone beyond a few players chancing their luck.
    Those who say they have never seen any.. I smell bs or your always on a copy map because the amount of afk'ers has forced a new map copy. As I have said I can venture up to Rankor Ruins most days and not be able to count the number of them because there are so many being covered with turrets and minions, somedays there are none, but the names are all online in Timberline and they are all in the same place, just not on my map copy.
    When that situation arises it darn well does make me think why bother playing the game if all I have to see is swathes of AFK;ers on maps. Sure I would like to kill some of those mobs but when 10,20,50 afkers are hitting it as well you have no chance to tag it unless I too plant myself and afk auto.
    Bottom line is actions speak louder than words.. ignorance and double standards are all I see these days in this game, which is the reason why I spend less time in game now and certainly spend hardly any real coin anymore buying gems and wont unless they actually do something to prevent these exploiters gaming the system... but we both know that isn't going to happen.

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  • Shikigami.4013Shikigami.4013 Member ✭✭✭

    @mauried.5608 said:
    This problem could be addressed instantly by Anet removing the auto attack feature which all players have.
    If unattended play is not permitted, then this feature has no place in the game , but everyone will complain if its removed.

    You mean autocast, not autoattack.

    The definition of AFK also needs to be clarified.
    How far away is away?

    It already has been clarified, and has been reposted again and again, also already in this thread. ArenaNet defines AFK as being "Unresponsive to GM interaction", meaning that when you are at the computer playing the game, you will notice when a GM tries to talk/interact with you so you are not AFK. If you are at the PC but only pressing buttons while watching a movie you are not physically "away" from the keyboard, but you are also not looking, so this is considered AFK. If you are at school/work/asleep and your char stands there autocasting, you will of course also not respond to a GM which is the standard widely accepted definition of being AFK. You do have plenty of time to respond to a GM, however ArenaNet will not reveal how long exactly.

    Actively playing the game is also unclear as there is no definition of what playing the game means.
    eg is a player who spends most of their time standing in front of the TP buying and selling items but not moving playing the game?
    I do this a lot.

    Actively playing the game is the opposite of being AFK. If you are near the pc and paying attention, then you are actively playing. If you are near the pc but not paying attention, then you are afk (even if you press a button while watching your movie). If you are away and couldn't pay attention even if you wanted to, then you are of course also afk.

    For the official source and clarification link on those things check back at my earlier post in this thread.

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  • Are they truly botting? Or are they simply farming proficiently?

    If you have a strong reason to believe they're botting, have you reported them using the in-game report system? I just talked to a CS lead today and they confirm that reports are seen, are reviewed, and when verified (often live) they result in action on an account.

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